Guest Dave Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Standard reply I've been posting for the past 2 years.... Vista uses a different file structure than XP does/did. Those familiar folder names you may be used to, like "My Documents", "Documents & Settings", etc. are not folders in Vista. They are junction points, and are used for legacy programs which were written to utilize the XP file structure. They will redirect the programs to use the equivalent Vista folders. If you keep the protected operating system files hidden, you won't see them. XP -> Vista...... Documents & Settings -> \Users My Documents -> \Users\youraccount\Documents My Music -> \Users\youraccount\Music Application Data -> \Users\youraccount\AppData etc. -- Windows 7 beta http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview http://download.live.com/wlmail "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:63F54B57-817F-43E6-97B7-65E4CBB3DFF4@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a > less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I > access them? > You know people learn a lot better when teachers are not rude. I came on > here to learn something not be put down. > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:OxFBhTzgJHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I am NOT BLONDE and I take great offence to that comment. I have 2 >>> very smart blonde daughters. Can you tell me whyy I have directories >>> that don't exist and folder I can't access?</span> >> >> Because, if you bother to listen, they are NOT FOLDERS. They are JUNCTION >> POINTS. >> >> read this: >> >> Windows Vista Junction Points: >> >> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm >> >> -- >> Asking a question? >> Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, >> your OS, Service Pack level >> and the FULL contents of any error message(s)</span> > </span> Quote
Guest Randall Flagg Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:25:50 -0800, "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a less >what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I access >them?</span> She's not even as smart as the proverbial blonde! <span style="color:blue"> >You know people learn a lot better when teachers are not rude. I came on >here to learn something not be put down.</span> You speak in generalities ("things", "something") and want specifics for answers. When you get the specifics (the explanation of junction points) you apparently don't read them. That's just plain dumb. <span style="color:blue"> >"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message >news:OxFBhTzgJHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I am NOT BLONDE and I take great offence to that comment. I have 2 >>> very smart blonde daughters. Can you tell me whyy I have directories >>> that don't exist and folder I can't access?</span> >> >> Because, if you bother to listen, they are NOT FOLDERS. They are JUNCTION >> POINTS. >> >> read this: >> >> Windows Vista Junction Points: >> >> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm >> >> -- >> Asking a question? >> Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, >> your OS, Service Pack level >> and the FULL contents of any error message(s) </span></span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I had a directory (folder) named under DOS that Win98 had a problem with. The folder icon appeared in the file browser window named with an underscore. When double-clicked I got a message box stating 'this folder does not exist' or some such...yes, computers can be aggravating. Why show me the icon if the folder does not exist (and yet it does - I created it). XP had a great out of the box experience, but needed to be 'hardened' for better security. Vista's OOBE is a sharp contrast, but can be 'softened' to be more like XP. If I understand it correctly, Windows 7 puts that softening on a GUI slider. Vista's methods can be easily googled for. Disabling UAC Activating the real administrator in Vista "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:63F54B57-817F-43E6-97B7-65E4CBB3DFF4@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a > less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I > access them? > You know people learn a lot better when teachers are not rude. I came on > here to learn something not be put down. > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:OxFBhTzgJHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I am NOT BLONDE and I take great offence to that comment. I have 2 >>> very smart blonde daughters. Can you tell me whyy I have directories >>> that don't exist and folder I can't access?</span> >> >> Because, if you bother to listen, they are NOT FOLDERS. They are JUNCTION >> POINTS. >> >> read this: >> >> Windows Vista Junction Points: >> >> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm >> >> -- >> Asking a question? >> Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, >> your OS, Service Pack level >> and the FULL contents of any error message(s)</span> > </span> Quote
Guest Kathy Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I access them? You know people learn a lot better when teachers are not rude. I came on here to learn something not be put down. "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:OxFBhTzgJHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> No I am NOT BLONDE and I take great offence to that comment. I have 2 >> very smart blonde daughters. Can you tell me whyy I have directories >> that don't exist and folder I can't access?</span> > > Because, if you bother to listen, they are NOT FOLDERS. They are JUNCTION > POINTS. > > read this: > > Windows Vista Junction Points: > > http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm > > -- > Asking a question? > Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, > your OS, Service Pack level > and the FULL contents of any error message(s) </span> Quote
Guest Gordon Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:63F54B57-817F-43E6-97B7-65E4CBB3DFF4@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a > less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I > access them?</span> Umm because there is nothing in them. When you are driving, you don't access a sign-post, do you? There's nothing in it. It POINTS to where you want to go. Same with Junction points. To further your analogy, there are THOUSANDS of dll files on your machine. Do you want to access those? Would you even understand what they do? Yes you could mess with them, and then we'd just get lots of hassle trying to right the wrongs you have done to your machine. Just accept the fact that there are inaccessible files and folders on your machine. Yes, find out what they do, knowledge is good, but leave them alone! -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest SuperXero Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 The real administrator account doesn't get told no. -- SuperXero Quote
Guest Jim Moriarty Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:18:26 -0600, SuperXero <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >The real administrator account doesn't get told no.</span> Shoulda included Tim the Tool Man's "arr, arr ARR" with that one. Quote
Guest spamme0 Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Gordon wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:63F54B57-817F-43E6-97B7-65E4CBB3DFF4@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a >> less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why >> can't I access them?</span> > > Umm because there is nothing in them. When you are driving, you don't > access a sign-post, do you? There's nothing in it. It POINTS to where > you want to go. Same with Junction points. > To further your analogy, there are THOUSANDS of dll files on your > machine. Do you want to access those? Would you even understand what > they do? Yes you could mess with them, and then we'd just get lots of > hassle trying to right the wrongs you have done to your machine. > Just accept the fact that there are inaccessible files and folders on > your machine. Yes, find out what they do, knowledge is good, but leave > them alone!</span> OK, I've found why we're having such a polarized discussion. I DON'T USE WINDOWS EXPLORER. Somewhere around windows 95, it became more hindrance than help. As a general rule, never use ANY windows built-in function if a third-party tool exists. You'll have lower blood pressure and fewer fits of anger. I use totalcommander for my file browser. Somehow, totalcommander has managed to provide a stable, consistent user interface that incorporates most of the functions I ever need since windows 3.1. And it doesn't break or change every time M$ has a brain fart. It just keeps on working perfectly. I click the same menu item I clicked 10 years ago and it still does the same thing. When I click on documents and settings in windows explorer, I get "access denied". When I click on documents and settings in totalcommander, I get taken to the place the junction point pointed to (c:\users)...as it should. I never noticed because it's completely transparent...as it should be. My left mouse button is a legacy device attempting to access the legacy folder and per your explanation, should behave as if it were working. Windows explorer fails this test. By screwing around with ownerships and permissions in a manner I couldn't reproduce, I managed to make it work in totalcommander. Never bothered to try it in windows explorer before. For the most part, clicking on an icon does pretty much what I expect. I just wish I could document exactly what I did to coerce Vista into behaving that way. I expect that my system is much more vulnerable to attack than it would be if I knew what I was doing. In general, if I want something, I'll ask for it. If I didn't ask for it, don't do it. Vista FAILS that test. Vista's stock answer to any attempt is "NO!". You gotta go find a workaround to get anything done. And, more seriously, it does all manner of stuff you DON'T want done. More workarounds...GRRRRR!!!! Quote
Guest DDW Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:00:32 -0800, spamme0 <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >OK, I've found why we're having such a polarized discussion. >I DON'T USE WINDOWS EXPLORER. </span> Like, everyone was supposed to guess that, hmm? I think I know where you belong, so in there you go... DDW -- Reply via this group No email please Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 You would have gotten better responses if you had first tried to understand why things are the way they are. I agree that there is room for improvement. I think there is no reason whatsoever to show "My Documents" in the user directory since the user directory itself is not real (it is a subdirectory of "Users"). You would have gotten a better response if you had asked why you can't access "My Documents" instead of assuming you must. I have seen thousands of questions; literally thousands in programming forums. Developers often ask questions without reading documentation and without searching for previous answers. People that volunteer to help others get frustrated with people that spend a minute or two asking a question yet expect (at least hope for) useful answers that often require more than a few minutes of time. People asking questions often don't understand why we are so frustrated. You got many responses asking that you be more specific. I can understand you don't understand the frustration of seeing so many questions saying things like "doesn't work" without specifics. The most important ingredient of a good question is research. If you try to find answers yourself first then you are more likely to get help. It also helps to understand that people are volunteering their time to help. "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:63F54B57-817F-43E6-97B7-65E4CBB3DFF4@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > OK, so they ARE NOT FOLDERS, they are JUNCTIONPOINTS. I could care a > less what they are called, if they are visable on my computer why can't I > access them? > You know people learn a lot better when teachers are not rude. I came on > here to learn something not be put down. > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:OxFBhTzgJHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I am NOT BLONDE and I take great offence to that comment. I have 2 >>> very smart blonde daughters. Can you tell me whyy I have directories >>> that don't exist and folder I can't access?</span> >> >> Because, if you bother to listen, they are NOT FOLDERS. They are JUNCTION >> POINTS. >> >> read this: >> >> Windows Vista Junction Points: >> >> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm >> >> -- >> Asking a question? >> Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, >> your OS, Service Pack level >> and the FULL contents of any error message(s)</span> > </span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours and those of others trying to help. I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in a manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is trying to protect you from messing up. "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I?</span> Quote
Guest Kathy Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, but why show them if you can't access them? I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So are the rest empty? Kathy "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, > which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing > something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will > provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours and > those of others trying to help. > > I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you > don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in a > manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is trying > to protect you from messing up. > > > "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I?</span> > </span> Quote
Guest Gordon Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:8974F522-4FE7-436E-AA29-00F255074FEB@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. > I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, > but why show them if you can't access them?</span> <sigh> like I said - have you tried to access dll files? <span style="color:blue"> > I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an > ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you > immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not > empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So > are the rest empty?</span> Why would you WANT to access your "default folder" I suggest you do a course in computing. PLONK!!! <span style="color:blue"> > > Kathy > > "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message > news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours and >> those of others trying to help. >> >> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in a >> manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is trying >> to protect you from messing up. >> >> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I?</span> >></span> ></span> -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest SuperXero Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 If you have read permissions on a folder then you can open it. If you don't well then your not an administrator and the administrator has not assigned you read permissions. How hard is that to understand? A regular user cannot open other users folders by default as they are protected by permissions. SuperXero HackingManual.Net -- SuperXero Quote
Guest Addison Steele Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0800, "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. >I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, but >why show them if you can't access them? >I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an >ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you >immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not >empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So are >the rest empty?</span> I know for sure that something is empty... I think it's your head. <span style="color:blue"> > >Kathy > >"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message >news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours and >> those of others trying to help. >> >> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in a >> manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is trying >> to protect you from messing up. >> >> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I?</span> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Even I understand that the people that want to mess with their system are owners of the system, so they are the Administrator too. That is not hard to understand. "SuperXero" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:6464f48c5f50ac2621a163d5620f77c4@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > If you have read permissions on a folder then you can open it. If you > don't well then your not an administrator and the administrator has not > assigned you read permissions. How hard is that to understand? > > A regular user cannot open other users folders by default as they are > protected by permissions. > > SuperXero > HackingManual.Net > > > -- > SuperXero </span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Yes, but if you mess up your computer, don't ask here for help yet since you are asking here for help it is likely you will ask again. There is a reason why people here are reluctant to help you mess up your system. You are obviously not getting many important points that people are making. If you want to know what is on your computer, then read; then after you have read, ask about what you don't understand. Don't expect others to help you mess with your system without learning. Your initial question was vague and indicated very little understanding. You need to get that point. I know you are not a developer so the following is too technical, but it is an example of someone messing with something they should not mess with and then they ask for help when they don't realize they are responsible for messing it up. Visual Studios 2008 Professional refuses to compile some projects : Visual C++ General : Visual C++ : MSDN Forums http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en...4c-009eb075b3a3 "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:8974F522-4FE7-436E-AA29-00F255074FEB@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. > I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, > but why show them if you can't access them? > I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an > ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you > immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not > empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So > are the rest empty? > > Kathy > > "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message > news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours and >> those of others trying to help. >> >> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in a >> manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is trying >> to protect you from messing up. >> >> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I?</span> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest Kathy Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 You know my original question only required a yes or no. I just wanted to know. "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message news:65D7722A-9B88-4F39-AA34-B164EDB7ACB7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Yes, but if you mess up your computer, don't ask here for help yet since > you are asking here for help it is likely you will ask again. There is a > reason why people here are reluctant to help you mess up your system. > > You are obviously not getting many important points that people are > making. > > If you want to know what is on your computer, then read; then after you > have read, ask about what you don't understand. Don't expect others to > help you mess with your system without learning. Your initial question was > vague and indicated very little understanding. You need to get that point. > > I know you are not a developer so the following is too technical, but it > is an example of someone messing with something they should not mess with > and then they ask for help when they don't realize they are responsible > for messing it up. > > Visual Studios 2008 Professional refuses to compile some projects : Visual > C++ General : Visual C++ : MSDN Forums > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en...4c-009eb075b3a3 > > > "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:8974F522-4FE7-436E-AA29-00F255074FEB@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. >> I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, >> but why show them if you can't access them? >> I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an >> ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you >> immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not >> empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So >> are the rest empty? >> >> Kathy >> >> "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message >> news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >>> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >>> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >>> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours >>> and those of others trying to help. >>> >>> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >>> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in >>> a manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is >>> trying to protect you from messing up. >>> >>> >>> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >>> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I? >>></span> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Then you should have made that clear. "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:E1D23E4B-853A-4616-8ECB-8AACCF5FB615@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > You know my original question only required a yes or no. I just wanted to > know. > > > "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message > news:65D7722A-9B88-4F39-AA34-B164EDB7ACB7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> Yes, but if you mess up your computer, don't ask here for help yet since >> you are asking here for help it is likely you will ask again. There is a >> reason why people here are reluctant to help you mess up your system. >> >> You are obviously not getting many important points that people are >> making. >> >> If you want to know what is on your computer, then read; then after you >> have read, ask about what you don't understand. Don't expect others to >> help you mess with your system without learning. Your initial question >> was vague and indicated very little understanding. You need to get that >> point. >> >> I know you are not a developer so the following is too technical, but it >> is an example of someone messing with something they should not mess with >> and then they ask for help when they don't realize they are responsible >> for messing it up. >> >> Visual Studios 2008 Professional refuses to compile some projects : >> Visual C++ General : Visual C++ : MSDN Forums >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en...4c-009eb075b3a3 >> >> >> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >> news:8974F522-4FE7-436E-AA29-00F255074FEB@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. >>> I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, >>> but why show them if you can't access them? >>> I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an >>> ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you >>> immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not >>> empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So >>> are the rest empty? >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message >>> news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com... >>>> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >>>> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >>>> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >>>> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours >>>> and those of others trying to help. >>>> >>>> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >>>> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in >>>> a manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is >>>> trying to protect you from messing up. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com... >>>>> >>>>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I? >>>> >>></span> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest SuperXero Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 <span style="color:blue"> > Even I understand that the people that want to mess with their system</span> are owners of the system, so they are the Administrator too. That is not hard to understand.> Just because you own a computer does not make you an administrator. So I don't think you do understand. And If you do understand you wouldn't have a problem. -- SuperXero Quote
Guest SuperXero Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Just because you own a computer does not make you an administrator. So I don't think you do understand. And If you do understand you wouldn't have a problem. -- SuperXero Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 "SuperXero" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:f552193a123373826356574596f4460d@nntp-gateway.com... <span style="color:blue"> > Just because you own a computer does not make you an administrator [...]</span> Sure it does, but unfortunately it doesn't make you worthy of the task - so you're it unless you delegate the task to another more worthy person. Quote
Guest Addison Steele Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:25:00 -0800, "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Then you should have made that clear.</span> It's is supremely difficult to make things clear for others when they aren't clear in one's own mind. <span style="color:blue"> >"Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >news:E1D23E4B-853A-4616-8ECB-8AACCF5FB615@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> You know my original question only required a yes or no. I just wanted to >> know. >> >> >> "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message >> news:65D7722A-9B88-4F39-AA34-B164EDB7ACB7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Yes, but if you mess up your computer, don't ask here for help yet since >>> you are asking here for help it is likely you will ask again. There is a >>> reason why people here are reluctant to help you mess up your system. >>> >>> You are obviously not getting many important points that people are >>> making. >>> >>> If you want to know what is on your computer, then read; then after you >>> have read, ask about what you don't understand. Don't expect others to >>> help you mess with your system without learning. Your initial question >>> was vague and indicated very little understanding. You need to get that >>> point. >>> >>> I know you are not a developer so the following is too technical, but it >>> is an example of someone messing with something they should not mess with >>> and then they ask for help when they don't realize they are responsible >>> for messing it up. >>> >>> Visual Studios 2008 Professional refuses to compile some projects : >>> Visual C++ General : Visual C++ : MSDN Forums >>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en...4c-009eb075b3a3 >>> >>> >>> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >>> news:8974F522-4FE7-436E-AA29-00F255074FEB@microsoft.com... >>>> If I mess up my computer I will fix it or format it and start over. >>>> I get the feeling noone gets my point. I know they are junction points, >>>> but why show them if you can't access them? >>>> I want to know what is on my computer. On my computer they look like an >>>> ordinary folder. If you look back at the first response, won't you >>>> immediately feel put down and defensive? My default user folder is not >>>> empty. I could not access it until I changed the security options. So >>>> are the rest empty? >>>> >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message >>>> news:3DAFF095-A76E-4D82-A835-FA0CCFF77285@microsoft.com... >>>>> There it is. You are asking for help so you can mess up your computer, >>>>> which means it is likely you will be back asking for more help fixing >>>>> something and you won't understand how you messed it up and you will >>>>> provide insufficient information. You will waste a lot of time; yours >>>>> and those of others trying to help. >>>>> >>>>> I think most or all people that help others here will prefer that you >>>>> don't ask for help here when in the future you mess up your computer in >>>>> a manner you don't understand and you are doing something Windows is >>>>> trying to protect you from messing up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message >>>>> news:5F2107EB-C529-4E10-B425-B1E486F7D866@microsoft.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> If I choose to access something and mess up my computer, why can't I? >>>>> >>>> >>></span> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Michael Walraven Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 To clear up, the correct answer to the OP original question is: for which she wanted a yes or no. Yes Michael "Kathy" <kmodahl@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:CE64D744-D42F-45EE-B31A-0AFE1CF26DA9@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Is there anyway to be able to access everything on my computer? I am > running as admin., but I can't access a lot of things. > > Thanks > Kathy </span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 "SuperXero" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:f552193a123373826356574596f4460d@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:blue"> ><span style="color:green"> >> Even I understand that the people that want to mess with their system</span> > are > owners of the system, so they are the Administrator too. That is not > hard to > understand.> > > Just because you own a computer does not make you an administrator. So > I don't think you do understand. And If you do understand you wouldn't > have a problem.</span> It depends on your definition of Administrator. In my definition, you are incorrect. I am defining an Administrator as having legal access to the Administrator account, therefore ownership implies Administrator. Quote
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