Guest ~BD~ Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message news:k8Dll.5253$%54.3330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:blue"> > No I was not in that accident but I lost friends who were. I witnessed it, > It was my vanpool but I was late and missed it so I ended up following it > through the mountains in my own car. ></span> I have no reason to disbelieve you, TRT, and am thus saddened to learn that your friends were killed. It seems from the reports that I read that someone called Christopher Butts was involved in the accident. If that was not you, I feel it in poor taste to use his name as you do. If you are blessed with skills that you can use to help ordinary folk with their computer problems, I don't understand why don't simply re-invent yourself rather than continue to engage in battles with other folk posting here. It's a no-win situation for everyone (although it is quite fun to bait others occasionally, I agree!) How do you feel about starting afresh? -- Dave Quote
Guest ---Fitz--- Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message news:lkDll.5255$%54.2095@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I am a MS MVP the problem is everyone's obsession with trying to identify >me and for no other reason but to try to ruin my life. The fact that they >cant find out is driving them crazy. > > -- > The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ > WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. > They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not > waste your time. > David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. > > > > > "Andrew Taylor" <andrewcrumplehorn@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.com> wrote in message > news:4996e8e1$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...<span style="color:green"> >>" db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in >>message news:A8816C83-39B1-47FD-846A-C2FB74490DE7@microsoft.com... >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> regarding all the lash outs, >>> >>> as far as everyone is concerned, >>> pcb has a right to refer himself and >>> to others as the real truth most valuable >>> player. >>> >>> obviously, trolls will be trolls and >>> continues to make comments and >>> attacks. >>> >>> unfortunately, it is unclear as to >>> why microsoft mvp's lay claim >>> and ownership of mvp when >>> Microsoft does not: >>> >>> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=mvp >>> >>> professionals should rely on >>> professional standards and >>> utilize references that professionals >>> use. >>></span> >> Except in the case of a Microsoft MVP it is 'Most Valuable Professional' >> and that is what he states on his website. >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ >></span> ></span> No body is trying to identify you...idiot! We already KNOW who you are. Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 I have said many times that I know him and he is not me but the trolls choose to ignore that part. He has told me that David Lipman and PA Bear and others have sent emails and made phone calls to NASA JPL and Lockheed in an attempt to get him fired. Numerous emails at that. JPL has fired two people already for using their resources to give out info on him which is a security violation and that even though it has been a few years they are still looking for a third person. David Lipman has verbally threatened him in a recorded phone call, I am assuming it was him because all he can tell me was that it was traced to New Jersey so they are watching his a$$. Everybody here thinks he is some GOD. I wish I still had a copy of the email PA Bear sent trying to tout his MVP status like it really means something. I will ask Chris for a copy and post it here. Those trolls have gone way to far by harassing friends of mine. So it is way beyond starting over, I am doing just fine right now. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your time. David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:OyyXN9sjJHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message > news:k8Dll.5253$%54.3330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:green"> >> No I was not in that accident but I lost friends who were. I witnessed >> it, It was my vanpool but I was late and missed it so I ended up >> following it through the mountains in my own car. >></span> > > I have no reason to disbelieve you, TRT, and am thus saddened to learn > that your friends were killed. It seems from the reports that I read that > someone called Christopher Butts was involved in the accident. If that > was not you, I feel it in poor taste to use his name as you do. > > If you are blessed with skills that you can use to help ordinary folk with > their computer problems, I don't understand why don't simply re-invent > yourself rather than continue to engage in battles with other folk posting > here. It's a no-win situation for everyone (although it is quite fun to > bait others occasionally, I agree!) > > How do you feel about starting afresh? > > -- > Dave > </span> Quote
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 from what I gathered and reviewed, people did try to have pcb's isp remove his site and ban him as well. however, he provided proof and prevailed. it is also my understanding that his accuser's were not as fortunate as pcb. one of which had to move his site to another country. however, all of the above is history. but the sore losers, continue to re hash a closed issue. I say close, because it is "legally" closed. ------------- in regards to the ms-mvp award, it really makes no difference whether or not there is any validity to pcb. anything to do with ms mvp is the responsibility of the paid employees of Microsoft, that oversee the program and assure its integrity. it might be reasonable to believe that after many years and much whining by ms mvp's about pcb, the ms mvp administrators would have intervened, including blocking pcb's ip. in my opinion, pcb has provided clear and concise information towards resolving issues posted and has done so with respect to the o.p. it is our unfortunate position to see trolls and unprofessional ms mvp's who undermine the threads with controversy and derogatory remarks. --------------------- as you may have also noticed at the link provided, I am planning on documenting unprofessional behaviors by ms mvp's. it is a project in its infancy at this time. deviations from professional standards by those who are "most valuable" will be documented by me, preserved and crawled for future reference. the validation for such a site is simple. if the ms mvp program cannot provide an assurance of quality and professionalism as they preach, then perhaps it is time that we take initiative. if I recall, a few years ago Microsoft had a campaign to research the internet worldwide and clean up bad publicity about the ms mvp program. this was a cost that Microsoft should not have had to bear. Microsoft could have saved much time and money if their paid executives with collegiate educations simply realized that bad publicity is the result of bad leadership. ---------- bd, I'm glad to know you are also a former veteran. we have something in common and values that non vets cannot comprehend. your objectivity is sincerely appreciated. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:gn6uv6$otr$1@reader.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message > news:EC818716-3A3B-4289-9550-7FC8E15B196B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> you can provide me with >> the link of the site you >> are referring to? >> >> -- >> >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional >> - Systems Analyst >> - Database Developer >> - Accountancy >> - Veteran of the Armed Forces</span> > > > He/she does, indeed say that he/she is a Microsoft MVP - a term widely regarded as applying to those singled out by Microsoft in > accordance with the link posted by Andrew. Right-hand-side beneath the photograph here:- > http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ > > However, it has NOT been stated which posting name said individual uses when posting in his/her capacity as a MS MVP. He/she could > well be a bonio fido MS MVP - one just cannot tell. > > When I first came to these groups, over three years ago now, I put my trust in the helpers - as I'm confident that almost all > 'newbies' do. It is impossible under ordinary circumstances to know who is or is not telling the truth. However, one thing I do > know for certain is that I have NEVER been banned by any ISP - this is contrary to what has been posted on these groups by PA > Bear (aka Robear Dyer - MS MVP) so I KNOW he has lied. > > It therefore follows that just because someone is awarded MS MVP status it does not mean that they are good guys. > > HTH > > -- > Dave > also a Veteran of the Armed Forces style_emoticons/ > > </span> Quote
Guest Peter Foldes Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 Chris And now you just confirmed in the above post 110% that it is actually you and you are very sick person mentally. Get some help ASAP . -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message news:cDEll.16853$yr3.15603@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I have said many times that I know him and he is not me but the trolls choose to >ignore that part. He has told me that David Lipman and PA Bear and others have sent >emails and made phone calls to NASA JPL and Lockheed in an attempt to get him >fired. Numerous emails at that. JPL has fired two people already for using their >resources to give out info on him which is a security violation and that even >though it has been a few years they are still looking for a third person. David >Lipman has verbally threatened him in a recorded phone call, I am assuming it was >him because all he can tell me was that it was traced to New Jersey so they are >watching his a$$. Everybody here thinks he is some GOD. I wish I still had a copy >of the email PA Bear sent trying to tout his MVP status like it really means >something. I will ask Chris for a copy and post it here. Those trolls have gone way >to far by harassing friends of mine. So it is way beyond starting over, I am doing >just fine right now. > > > -- > The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ > WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. > They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your > time. > David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. > > > > > "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message > news:OyyXN9sjJHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message >> news:k8Dll.5253$%54.3330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I was not in that accident but I lost friends who were. I witnessed it, It >>> was my vanpool but I was late and missed it so I ended up following it through >>> the mountains in my own car. >>></span> >> >> I have no reason to disbelieve you, TRT, and am thus saddened to learn that your >> friends were killed. It seems from the reports that I read that someone called >> Christopher Butts was involved in the accident. If that was not you, I feel it >> in poor taste to use his name as you do. >> >> If you are blessed with skills that you can use to help ordinary folk with their >> computer problems, I don't understand why don't simply re-invent yourself rather >> than continue to engage in battles with other folk posting here. It's a no-win >> situation for everyone (although it is quite fun to bait others occasionally, I >> agree!) >> >> How do you feel about starting afresh? >> >> -- >> Dave >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 I'm sure you'd feel comfortable at this small site db http://pqlr.org/bbs/ My cyber-friend Leo, who posts there, is ex USAF and thereafter worked in support of the US army for 20 years after completion of his formal military service. As you mention, there is a bond that few understand. My only advice to you here on Usenet is to be wary of each and every poster. It really is the Wild West here! style_emoticons/ -- Dave " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message news:ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > from what I gathered and > reviewed, people did try > to have pcb's isp remove > his site and ban him as well. > > however, he provided proof > and prevailed. > > it is also my understanding > that his accuser's were not > as fortunate as pcb. > > one of which had to move > his site to another country. > > however, all of the above is > history. > > but the sore losers, continue > to re hash a closed issue. > > I say close, because it is > "legally" closed. > > ------------- > > in regards to the ms-mvp award, > it really makes no difference > whether or not there is any > validity to pcb. > > anything to do with ms mvp is > the responsibility of the paid > employees of Microsoft, that > oversee the program and assure > its integrity. > > it might be reasonable to believe > that after many years and much > whining by ms mvp's about pcb, > > the ms mvp administrators would > have intervened, including > blocking pcb's ip. > > in my opinion, pcb has provided > clear and concise information towards > resolving issues posted and has > done so with respect to the o.p. > > it is our unfortunate position to > see trolls and unprofessional > ms mvp's who undermine the > threads with controversy and > derogatory remarks. > > --------------------- > > as you may have also noticed > at the link provided, I am planning > on documenting unprofessional > behaviors by ms mvp's. > > it is a project in its infancy at > this time. > > deviations from professional > standards by those who are > "most valuable" will be documented > by me, preserved and crawled > for future reference. > > the validation for such a site is > simple. > > if the ms mvp program cannot > provide an assurance of quality > and professionalism as they > preach, > > then perhaps it is time that we > take initiative. > > if I recall, a few years ago > Microsoft had a campaign to > research the internet worldwide > and clean up bad publicity about > the ms mvp program. > > this was a cost that Microsoft > should not have had to bear. > > Microsoft could have saved > much time and money if their > paid executives with collegiate > educations simply realized > that bad publicity is the result > of bad leadership. > > ---------- > > bd, I'm glad to know you are > also a former veteran. > > we have something in common > and values that non vets cannot > comprehend. > > your objectivity is sincerely > appreciated. > > -- > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional > - Systems Analyst > - Database Developer > - Accountancy > - Veteran of the Armed Forces > > "share the nirvana" - dbZen > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:green"> >> >></span> > > "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message > news:gn6uv6$otr$1@reader.motzarella.org...<span style="color:green"> >> >> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in >> message news:EC818716-3A3B-4289-9550-7FC8E15B196B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> you can provide me with >>> the link of the site you >>> are referring to? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional >>> - Systems Analyst >>> - Database Developer >>> - Accountancy >>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces</span> >> >> >> He/she does, indeed say that he/she is a Microsoft MVP - a term widely >> regarded as applying to those singled out by Microsoft in accordance with >> the link posted by Andrew. Right-hand-side beneath the photograph here:- >> http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ >> >> However, it has NOT been stated which posting name said individual uses >> when posting in his/her capacity as a MS MVP. He/she could well be a >> bonio fido MS MVP - one just cannot tell. >> >> When I first came to these groups, over three years ago now, I put my >> trust in the helpers - as I'm confident that almost all 'newbies' do. It >> is impossible under ordinary circumstances to know who is or is not >> telling the truth. However, one thing I do know for certain is that I >> have NEVER been banned by any ISP - this is contrary to what has been >> posted on these groups by PA Bear (aka Robear Dyer - MS MVP) so I KNOW he >> has lied. >> >> It therefore follows that just because someone is awarded MS MVP status >> it does not mean that they are good guys. >> >> HTH >> >> -- >> Dave >> also a Veteran of the Armed Forces style_emoticons/ >> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 thanks, I'll look into it. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:uDe3OWvjJHA.1288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > I'm sure you'd feel comfortable at this small site db http://pqlr.org/bbs/ > > My cyber-friend Leo, who posts there, is ex USAF and thereafter worked in support of the US army for 20 years after completion of > his formal military service. As you mention, there is a bond that few understand. > > My only advice to you here on Usenet is to be wary of each and every poster. It really is the Wild West here! style_emoticons/ > > -- > Dave > > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message > news:ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> from what I gathered and >> reviewed, people did try >> to have pcb's isp remove >> his site and ban him as well. >> >> however, he provided proof >> and prevailed. >> >> it is also my understanding >> that his accuser's were not >> as fortunate as pcb. >> >> one of which had to move >> his site to another country. >> >> however, all of the above is >> history. >> >> but the sore losers, continue >> to re hash a closed issue. >> >> I say close, because it is >> "legally" closed. >> >> ------------- >> >> in regards to the ms-mvp award, >> it really makes no difference >> whether or not there is any >> validity to pcb. >> >> anything to do with ms mvp is >> the responsibility of the paid >> employees of Microsoft, that >> oversee the program and assure >> its integrity. >> >> it might be reasonable to believe >> that after many years and much >> whining by ms mvp's about pcb, >> >> the ms mvp administrators would >> have intervened, including >> blocking pcb's ip. >> >> in my opinion, pcb has provided >> clear and concise information towards >> resolving issues posted and has >> done so with respect to the o.p. >> >> it is our unfortunate position to >> see trolls and unprofessional >> ms mvp's who undermine the >> threads with controversy and >> derogatory remarks. >> >> --------------------- >> >> as you may have also noticed >> at the link provided, I am planning >> on documenting unprofessional >> behaviors by ms mvp's. >> >> it is a project in its infancy at >> this time. >> >> deviations from professional >> standards by those who are >> "most valuable" will be documented >> by me, preserved and crawled >> for future reference. >> >> the validation for such a site is >> simple. >> >> if the ms mvp program cannot >> provide an assurance of quality >> and professionalism as they >> preach, >> >> then perhaps it is time that we >> take initiative. >> >> if I recall, a few years ago >> Microsoft had a campaign to >> research the internet worldwide >> and clean up bad publicity about >> the ms mvp program. >> >> this was a cost that Microsoft >> should not have had to bear. >> >> Microsoft could have saved >> much time and money if their >> paid executives with collegiate >> educations simply realized >> that bad publicity is the result >> of bad leadership. >> >> ---------- >> >> bd, I'm glad to know you are >> also a former veteran. >> >> we have something in common >> and values that non vets cannot >> comprehend. >> >> your objectivity is sincerely >> appreciated. >> >> -- >> >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional >> - Systems Analyst >> - Database Developer >> - Accountancy >> - Veteran of the Armed Forces >> >> "share the nirvana" - dbZen >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>></span> >> >> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:gn6uv6$otr$1@reader.motzarella.org...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message >>> news:EC818716-3A3B-4289-9550-7FC8E15B196B@microsoft.com... >>>> you can provide me with >>>> the link of the site you >>>> are referring to? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional >>>> - Systems Analyst >>>> - Database Developer >>>> - Accountancy >>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces >>> >>> >>> He/she does, indeed say that he/she is a Microsoft MVP - a term widely regarded as applying to those singled out by Microsoft >>> in accordance with the link posted by Andrew. Right-hand-side beneath the photograph here:- >>> http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> However, it has NOT been stated which posting name said individual uses when posting in his/her capacity as a MS MVP. He/she >>> could well be a bonio fido MS MVP - one just cannot tell. >>> >>> When I first came to these groups, over three years ago now, I put my trust in the helpers - as I'm confident that almost all >>> 'newbies' do. It is impossible under ordinary circumstances to know who is or is not telling the truth. However, one thing I >>> do know for certain is that I have NEVER been banned by any ISP - this is contrary to what has been posted on these groups >>> by PA Bear (aka Robear Dyer - MS MVP) so I KNOW he has lied. >>> >>> It therefore follows that just because someone is awarded MS MVP status it does not mean that they are good guys. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> -- >>> Dave >>> also a Veteran of the Armed Forces style_emoticons/ >>> >>></span></span> > > </span> Quote
Guest Leythos Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 In article <ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com>, =?iso- 8859-1?Q?_db_=B4=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:blue"> > from what I gathered and > reviewed, people did try > to have pcb's isp remove > his site and ban him as well. > > however, he provided proof > and prevailed. > </span> Untrue - the hosting company only requires that he state he contests the complain, not prove anything. His hosting company does not validate complaints, the will only take action to remove a site by court order. So, he's got a great hosting company that clearly only requires the "I'm doing nothing wrong" email from their customers, and then it's up to the wronged parties to Sue in court in order to prove their claim. The hosting company has clearly stated that once PCButts "Disputes" the claims against him, they will take no additional action until presented with a court order. So, this means that Butts has not proven anything, has not Won, is still the same person that hosted filthy pornographic materials on is site and posted links to them all over Usenet groups, even setup a domain name in my honor as he's stalked me around usenet. So, in 100% factual summary - he has not provided proof of anything. Additionally, in 100% factual, vendors have posted to Usenet ordering him to remove their tools from his site because they have not authorized him as a mirror and he violates the mirror rules for their products. Currently some of Butts tools contain copyrighted works that he does not have the copyright too, and some of them block reputable anti-malware sites without without warning the users. You really should do a full review of his history. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 In article <cDEll.16853$yr3.15603@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, toidi@tpap.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > > I have said many times that I know him and he is not me but the trolls > choose to ignore that part. He has told me that David Lipman and PA Bear and > others have sent emails and made phone calls to NASA JPL and Lockheed in an > attempt to get him fired. Numerous emails at that. JPL has fired two people > already for using their resources to give out info on him which is a > security violation and that even though it has been a few years they are > still looking for a third person. > </span> HA HA HA HA HA - what a story. The fact is that your posting IP and name have been linked back to JPL by headers as you've posted from JPL using your external Usenet account. It was very easy to keep track of headers as you posted from multiple locations, under multiple names, even impersonating David, myself and many others, and then you've screwed up and posted in support of your tools, that you pirated from others, and didn't know that your headers exposed you again. Time and time again you've proven to be your own undoing. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message news:ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > from what I gathered and > reviewed, people did try > to have pcb's isp remove > his site and ban him as well. > > however, he provided proof > and prevailed. > > it is also my understanding > that his accuser's were not > as fortunate as pcb. ></span> <snip> Why do your posts word wrap at around 28 characters? Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 Are you telling me/us that you deliberately used the name of "pcbutts1" in order to 'fish' for those seeking to discredit your friend? If so, it seems as if you have been highly successful! -- Dave "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message news:cDEll.16853$yr3.15603@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I have said many times that I know him and he is not me but the trolls >choose to ignore that part. He has told me that David Lipman and PA Bear >and others have sent emails and made phone calls to NASA JPL and Lockheed >in an attempt to get him fired. Numerous emails at that. JPL has fired two >people already for using their resources to give out info on him which is a >security violation and that even though it has been a few years they are >still looking for a third person. David Lipman has verbally threatened him >in a recorded phone call, I am assuming it was him because all he can tell >me was that it was traced to New Jersey so they are watching his a$$. >Everybody here thinks he is some GOD. I wish I still had a copy of the >email PA Bear sent trying to tout his MVP status like it really means >something. I will ask Chris for a copy and post it here. Those trolls have >gone way to far by harassing friends of mine. So it is way beyond starting >over, I am doing just fine right now. > > > -- > The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ > WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. > They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not > waste your time. > David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. > > > > > "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message > news:OyyXN9sjJHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message >> news:k8Dll.5253$%54.3330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> No I was not in that accident but I lost friends who were. I witnessed >>> it, It was my vanpool but I was late and missed it so I ended up >>> following it through the mountains in my own car. >>></span> >> >> I have no reason to disbelieve you, TRT, and am thus saddened to learn >> that your friends were killed. It seems from the reports that I read that >> someone called Christopher Butts was involved in the accident. If that >> was not you, I feel it in poor taste to use his name as you do. >> >> If you are blessed with skills that you can use to help ordinary folk >> with their computer problems, I don't understand why don't simply >> re-invent yourself rather than continue to engage in battles with other >> folk posting here. It's a no-win situation for everyone (although it is >> quite fun to bait others occasionally, I agree!) >> >> How do you feel about starting afresh? >> >> -- >> Dave >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 Specifically for the attention of "bd" Here's a copy of a post made earlier by Leythos in reply to me. In article <urVvsxBfJHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, BoaterDave@remove@hotmail.co.uk says...<span style="color:blue"> > My difficulty with newsgroups - and some forums - is knowing who may be > trustworthy. ></span> This is a simple one BD, trust NO ONE, PERIOD. Don't trust me, nor anyone else in these groups, as we've seen before, there are unethical people that impersonate others and most people have no clue that it's happening (since they can't read headers). The first rule of security - Block Everything. Second rule, trust nothing until given a reason to trust it. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) He's right of course! HTH -- Dave "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.24013bb2eccb6ad998991a@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com>, =?iso- > 8859-1?Q?_db_=B4=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at > hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:green"> >> from what I gathered and >> reviewed, people did try >> to have pcb's isp remove >> his site and ban him as well. >> >> however, he provided proof >> and prevailed. >></span> > > Untrue - the hosting company only requires that he state he contests the > complain, not prove anything. > > His hosting company does not validate complaints, the will only take > action to remove a site by court order. So, he's got a great hosting > company that clearly only requires the "I'm doing nothing wrong" email > from their customers, and then it's up to the wronged parties to Sue in > court in order to prove their claim. The hosting company has clearly > stated that once PCButts "Disputes" the claims against him, they will > take no additional action until presented with a court order. > > So, this means that Butts has not proven anything, has not Won, is still > the same person that hosted filthy pornographic materials on is site and > posted links to them all over Usenet groups, even setup a domain name in > my honor as he's stalked me around usenet. > > So, in 100% factual summary - he has not provided proof of anything. > Additionally, in 100% factual, vendors have posted to Usenet ordering > him to remove their tools from his site because they have not authorized > him as a mirror and he violates the mirror rules for their products. > > Currently some of Butts tools contain copyrighted works that he does not > have the copyright too, and some of them block reputable anti-malware > sites without without warning the users. > > You really should do a full review of his history. > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 Ooops! I meant to say "Specifically for the attention of "db" - Sorry! -- Dave Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 No. Pcbutts1 is an acronym it has nothing to do with Chris Butts that is just a coincidence. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your time. David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:gn8k8h$rum$1@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > Are you telling me/us that you deliberately used the name of "pcbutts1" in > order to 'fish' for those seeking to discredit your friend? > > If so, it seems as if you have been highly successful! > -- > Dave > > > "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message > news:cDEll.16853$yr3.15603@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:green"> >>I have said many times that I know him and he is not me but the trolls >>choose to ignore that part. He has told me that David Lipman and PA Bear >>and others have sent emails and made phone calls to NASA JPL and Lockheed >>in an attempt to get him fired. Numerous emails at that. JPL has fired two >>people already for using their resources to give out info on him which is >>a security violation and that even though it has been a few years they are >>still looking for a third person. David Lipman has verbally threatened him >>in a recorded phone call, I am assuming it was him because all he can tell >>me was that it was traced to New Jersey so they are watching his a$$. >>Everybody here thinks he is some GOD. I wish I still had a copy of the >>email PA Bear sent trying to tout his MVP status like it really means >>something. I will ask Chris for a copy and post it here. Those trolls have >>gone way to far by harassing friends of mine. So it is way beyond starting >>over, I am doing just fine right now. >> >> >> -- >> The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ >> WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. >> They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not >> waste your time. >> David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. >> >> >> >> >> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message >> news:OyyXN9sjJHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> "The Real Truth MVP" <toidi@tpap.com> wrote in message >>> news:k8Dll.5253$%54.3330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>> No I was not in that accident but I lost friends who were. I witnessed >>>> it, It was my vanpool but I was late and missed it so I ended up >>>> following it through the mountains in my own car. >>>> >>> >>> I have no reason to disbelieve you, TRT, and am thus saddened to learn >>> that your friends were killed. It seems from the reports that I read >>> that someone called Christopher Butts was involved in the accident. If >>> that was not you, I feel it in poor taste to use his name as you do. >>> >>> If you are blessed with skills that you can use to help ordinary folk >>> with their computer problems, I don't understand why don't simply >>> re-invent yourself rather than continue to engage in battles with other >>> folk posting here. It's a no-win situation for everyone (although it is >>> quite fun to bait others occasionally, I agree!) >>> >>> How do you feel about starting afresh? >>> >>> -- >>> Dave >>></span> >></span> > > </span> Quote
Guest db ?¯`·.. > Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 unfortunately, your belief is simply flawed. all companies that provide web hosting and others that provide services, have the right to remove any information deemed as offensive or illegal. read the agreements they provide when you apply for their services or products. in the u.s. copyrighted information can be removed if a complaint is made and proof is provided. otherwise, if a company continues to host stolen copyrighted material and was aware of the violation of the rights provided to the owner of the copy righted material, the owner of the copy right can sue the perpetrator and the hosting service for "millions". therefore, your argument that a court order is required is not with standing. where do you live Leythos, under a rock or china? -- db·?¯`·...?><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.24013bb2eccb6ad998991a@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <ACCE4B7A-39BC-4D87-87D6-97E3B6086713@microsoft.com>, =?iso- > 8859-1?Q?_db_=B4=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at > hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:green"> >> from what I gathered and >> reviewed, people did try >> to have pcb's isp remove >> his site and ban him as well. >> >> however, he provided proof >> and prevailed. >></span> > > Untrue - the hosting company only requires that he state he contests the > complain, not prove anything. > > His hosting company does not validate complaints, the will only take > action to remove a site by court order. So, he's got a great hosting > company that clearly only requires the "I'm doing nothing wrong" email > from their customers, and then it's up to the wronged parties to Sue in > court in order to prove their claim. The hosting company has clearly > stated that once PCButts "Disputes" the claims against him, they will > take no additional action until presented with a court order. > > So, this means that Butts has not proven anything, has not Won, is still > the same person that hosted filthy pornographic materials on is site and > posted links to them all over Usenet groups, even setup a domain name in > my honor as he's stalked me around usenet. > > So, in 100% factual summary - he has not provided proof of anything. > Additionally, in 100% factual, vendors have posted to Usenet ordering > him to remove their tools from his site because they have not authorized > him as a mirror and he violates the mirror rules for their products. > > Currently some of Butts tools contain copyrighted works that he does not > have the copyright too, and some of them block reputable anti-malware > sites without without warning the users. > > You really should do a full review of his history. > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 From: " db ?¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> | unfortunately, your belief | is simply flawed. | all companies that provide | web hosting and others that | provide services, have the | right to remove any information | deemed as offensive or illegal. | read the agreements they | provide when you apply for | their services or products. | in the u.s. copyrighted information | can be removed if a complaint | is made and proof is provided. | otherwise, if a company continues | to host stolen copyrighted material | and was aware of the violation of | the rights provided to the owner | of the copy righted material, | the owner of the copy right can | sue the perpetrator and the hosting | service for "millions". | therefore, your argument | that a court order is required | is not with standing. | where do you live Leythos, | under a rock or china? | -- Actually, he is 100% correct. It started when Butts plagiaried Stuart Saunder's RogueFix which Butts called SuperFix. It was then renamed SpyErase. Stuart filed a DMCA and eventually the host provider forced him to remove it from the web site. However Butt's just renamed SpyErase to Remove-It and it started the whole process over again. This time the host provider dindicated a court order would be needed. Becuase I helped Stuart, Butts then committed fraud and perjury. Butts already had a created a Gmail account which he had used in other instances. He then used that Gmail account to commit fraud by fileing a fraudelent DMCA claim on my friend's web site IK-CS.Com because it hosted my Multi-AV Scanning Tool. In that claim he even laid the claim to the GNU Free licensed WGET utility. Butts committed perjury by the falsification of the statement in that DMCA claim of the creation of the WGET utility and of my KiXtart scripts. You'll find more details in the following posts... http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...13247814fb4d61e and http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...19fce884897662f So you see you are clueless on this issue and about the malicious activities of Patrick Christopher Butts (aka; Christhopher Butts, Chris Butts, PCBUTTS1). -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Leythos Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 In article <B48F9507-D1D6-448A-A6F1-F72F087BB377@microsoft.com>, =?iso- 8859-15?Q?_db_=3F=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:blue"> > unfortunately, your belief > is simply flawed.</span> Nope, it's 100% spot on and I've got the email from PCB's hosting company to prove it. <span style="color:blue"> > all companies that provide > web hosting and others that > provide services, have the > right to remove any information > deemed as offensive or illegal.</span> You seem to think that "Have the right" means that they will be the determining factor in what is "Offensive" or "Illegal" and some hosting companies DO make that call, but most of them hide behind the "exact letter of the law" - Only a court can classify something as "Offensive" or "Illegal" and there are many hosting companies, those the host Porn sites as an example, that won't take any steps to remove content or a site until presented with a "COURT ORDER". <span style="color:blue"> > read the agreements they > provide when you apply for > their services or products.</span> You can read the TOS for the company that Butt's uses, it's online and clearly follows that I've posted - they will not take down a site or content unless directed by a court order. <span style="color:blue"> > in the u.s. copyrighted information > can be removed if a complaint > is made and proof is provided.</span> Yes, IF the hosting company does it on their own, but, as many will do, they require that PROOF to be in the form of a legal order or judgment against the site owner. You have a lot to learn about Piracy Protection, Copyright protection. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest db ?¯`·.. > Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 I don't know why you think private companies that offer a service is bound by court orders to keep or remove any information posted on their private equipment. any company can remove any information at will, especially information posted based of "free" you should read the terms and conditions. many things that are considered illegal or offensive have lone been determined many years ago by courts already, thus your belief that court orders are necessary to act in accordance with the law is unfounded. further, the companies are legally bound to report illegal information to the feds. again, no court order is required to mandate each occurrence and violation. ----------------------- you seem to be amicable to child molesting. therefore, I encourage you to post child porn and lets see if a court order is required to remove your offensive garbage from the servers and lets see if your personal data is kept confidential from the feds. ----------- you must be living and posting from the Netherlands. - db·?¯`·...?><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.240227837720bd0b98991f@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <B48F9507-D1D6-448A-A6F1-F72F087BB377@microsoft.com>, =?iso- > 8859-15?Q?_db_=3F=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at > hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:green"> >> unfortunately, your belief >> is simply flawed.</span> > > Nope, it's 100% spot on and I've got the email from PCB's hosting > company to prove it. ><span style="color:green"> >> all companies that provide >> web hosting and others that >> provide services, have the >> right to remove any information >> deemed as offensive or illegal.</span> > > You seem to think that "Have the right" means that they will be the > determining factor in what is "Offensive" or "Illegal" and some hosting > companies DO make that call, but most of them hide behind the "exact > letter of the law" - Only a court can classify something as "Offensive" > or "Illegal" and there are many hosting companies, those the host Porn > sites as an example, that won't take any steps to remove content or a > site until presented with a "COURT ORDER". ><span style="color:green"> >> read the agreements they >> provide when you apply for >> their services or products.</span> > > You can read the TOS for the company that Butt's uses, it's online and > clearly follows that I've posted - they will not take down a site or > content unless directed by a court order. ><span style="color:green"> >> in the u.s. copyrighted information >> can be removed if a complaint >> is made and proof is provided.</span> > > Yes, IF the hosting company does it on their own, but, as many will do, > they require that PROOF to be in the form of a legal order or judgment > against the site owner. > > You have a lot to learn about Piracy Protection, Copyright protection. > > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 the interpretation and or bias of the events are no longer relevant, except for you. whether you like it or not the fact is based on the outcome. the outcome is what prevails. ------------------- it seems to me that you just don't get it and cannot let the issue go. American law established a first come is first served basis for ascertaining copyrights and patents. private companies hosting information also utilize the date and time to established entitlement of worked posted on the internet. ------------------- conflicts are reviewed are reviewed in civil court. however claiming that: one was sick, disabled, had their brake lines cut on the way to the copyright office, there computer was broken and they could not upload the information before anyone else, someone changed the name on the work and got the award first, or did not do this or do that, etc.... is not proof to establish claim to revoke a copyright or patent already issued. but don't misunderstand, patents and copyrights can be revoked. however, I am not going to waste time here discussing these. again, the final outcome is the validation. ---------------- perhaps, you can move on with your pitiful life and stop infecting others with your disgruntled perspective. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:Oxh5GR5jJHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > From: " db ?¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> > > | unfortunately, your belief > | is simply flawed. > > | all companies that provide > | web hosting and others that > | provide services, have the > | right to remove any information > | deemed as offensive or illegal. > > | read the agreements they > | provide when you apply for > | their services or products. > > | in the u.s. copyrighted information > | can be removed if a complaint > | is made and proof is provided. > > | otherwise, if a company continues > | to host stolen copyrighted material > | and was aware of the violation of > | the rights provided to the owner > | of the copy righted material, > > | the owner of the copy right can > | sue the perpetrator and the hosting > | service for "millions". > > | therefore, your argument > | that a court order is required > | is not with standing. > > | where do you live Leythos, > | under a rock or china? > | -- > > Actually, he is 100% correct. > > It started when Butts plagiaried Stuart Saunder's RogueFix which Butts called SuperFix. > > It was then renamed SpyErase. > > Stuart filed a DMCA and eventually the host provider forced him to remove it from the web > site. However Butt's just renamed SpyErase to Remove-It and it started the whole process > over again. This time the host provider dindicated a court order would be needed. > > Becuase I helped Stuart, Butts then committed fraud and perjury. > > Butts already had a created a Gmail account which he had used in other instances. He then > used that Gmail account to commit fraud by fileing a fraudelent DMCA claim on my friend's > web site IK-CS.Com because it hosted my Multi-AV Scanning Tool. In that claim he even > laid the claim to the GNU Free licensed WGET utility. Butts committed perjury by the > falsification of the statement in that DMCA claim of the creation of the WGET utility and > of my KiXtart scripts. > > You'll find more details in the following posts... > > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...13247814fb4d61e > and > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...19fce884897662f > > So you see you are clueless on this issue and about the malicious activities of Patrick > Christopher Butts (aka; Christhopher Butts, Chris Butts, PCBUTTS1). > > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > </span> Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 From: " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> | the interpretation and or | bias of the events are no | longer relevant, except | for you. | whether you like it or not | the fact is based on the | outcome. | the outcome is what prevails. | ------------------- | it seems to me that you just | don't get it and cannot let | the issue go. | American law established a | first come is first served basis | for ascertaining copyrights and | patents. | private companies hosting | information also utilize the | date and time to established | entitlement of worked posted | on the internet. | ------------------- | conflicts are reviewed are | reviewed in civil court. | however claiming that: | one was sick, | disabled, | had their brake lines cut on | the way to the copyright office, | there computer was broken | and they could not upload the | information before anyone else, | someone changed the name | on the work and got the award | first, | or did not do this or do that, | etc.... | is not proof to establish claim | to revoke a copyright | or patent already issued. | but don't misunderstand, | patents and copyrights can | be revoked. | however, I am not going to | waste time here discussing | these. | again, the final outcome is the | validation. | ---------------- | perhaps, you can move on | with your pitiful life and stop | infecting others with your | disgruntled perspective. There is no final outcome! This is not a "disgruntled perspective". They are facts. There are many more facts and proofs that I will NOT post in public. The facts are... PCBUTTS1 is a fake Microsoft MVP. PCBUTTS1 is male and black and definitely not female. PCBUTTS1 has plagairized software from; Kelly Theirot (MS MVP), Winhelp2002 (MS MVP), Noahdfear (MS MVP), Stuart Saunders, Robert A. Cooper, Andrew Aranoff, Kevin Zoll and others. PCBUTTS1 is in fact Patrick Christopher Butts (aka; Chistopher Butts, Chris Butts) PCBUTTS1 has pirated software from Microsoft. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 And because I AM GOD I can get away with it when nobody else can including stealing from Microsoft. You are one sick obsessed person. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your time. David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:uKRwhA7jJHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > From: " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> > > | the interpretation and or > | bias of the events are no > | longer relevant, except > | for you. > > | whether you like it or not > | the fact is based on the > | outcome. > > | the outcome is what prevails. > > | ------------------- > > | it seems to me that you just > | don't get it and cannot let > | the issue go. > > | American law established a > | first come is first served basis > | for ascertaining copyrights and > | patents. > > | private companies hosting > | information also utilize the > | date and time to established > | entitlement of worked posted > | on the internet. > > | ------------------- > > | conflicts are reviewed are > | reviewed in civil court. > > | however claiming that: > > | one was sick, > > | disabled, > > | had their brake lines cut on > | the way to the copyright office, > > | there computer was broken > | and they could not upload the > | information before anyone else, > > | someone changed the name > | on the work and got the award > | first, > > | or did not do this or do that, > | etc.... > > | is not proof to establish claim > | to revoke a copyright > | or patent already issued. > > | but don't misunderstand, > | patents and copyrights can > | be revoked. > > | however, I am not going to > | waste time here discussing > | these. > > | again, the final outcome is the > | validation. > > | ---------------- > > | perhaps, you can move on > | with your pitiful life and stop > | infecting others with your > | disgruntled perspective. > > > There is no final outcome! > > This is not a "disgruntled perspective". > > They are facts. > > There are many more facts and proofs that I will NOT post in public. > > The facts are... > > PCBUTTS1 is a fake Microsoft MVP. > > PCBUTTS1 is male and black and definitely not female. > > PCBUTTS1 has plagairized software from; Kelly Theirot (MS MVP), > Winhelp2002 (MS MVP), > Noahdfear (MS MVP), Stuart Saunders, Robert A. Cooper, Andrew Aranoff, > Kevin Zoll and > others. > > PCBUTTS1 is in fact Patrick Christopher Butts (aka; Chistopher Butts, > Chris Butts) > > PCBUTTS1 has pirated software from Microsoft. > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > </span> Quote
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 Below and underneath each of your statements is a response ------------------- it is not my intent to devalue them. however, you may be placing too much value on them. in conclusion, though the newsgroup may also be considered as a court of public opinion; you can not achieve true justice or validation via this type of forum. remember this court is not only comprised of professionals, but morons, trolls, nitwits, imposters, and people seeking help with their computers and don't give a damn about the grudges or gossips. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional - Systems Analyst - Database Developer - Accountancy - Veteran of the Armed Forces "share the nirvana" - dbZen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:blue"> > ></span> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:uKRwhA7jJHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > From: " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> > > | the interpretation and or > | bias of the events are no > | longer relevant, except > | for you. > > | whether you like it or not > | the fact is based on the > | outcome. > > | the outcome is what prevails. > > | ------------------- > > | it seems to me that you just > | don't get it and cannot let > | the issue go. > > | American law established a > | first come is first served basis > | for ascertaining copyrights and > | patents. > > | private companies hosting > | information also utilize the > | date and time to established > | entitlement of worked posted > | on the internet. > > | ------------------- > > | conflicts are reviewed are > | reviewed in civil court. > > | however claiming that: > > | one was sick, > > | disabled, > > | had their brake lines cut on > | the way to the copyright office, > > | there computer was broken > | and they could not upload the > | information before anyone else, > > | someone changed the name > | on the work and got the award > | first, > > | or did not do this or do that, > | etc.... > > | is not proof to establish claim > | to revoke a copyright > | or patent already issued. > > | but don't misunderstand, > | patents and copyrights can > | be revoked. > > | however, I am not going to > | waste time here discussing > | these. > > | again, the final outcome is the > | validation. > > | ---------------- > > | perhaps, you can move on > | with your pitiful life and stop > | infecting others with your > | disgruntled perspective. > > > There is no final outcome!</span> Then take your issue to civil court and resolve once and for all. <span style="color:blue"> > > This is not a "disgruntled perspective".</span> Until you prevail and the outcome is in your favor, then what kind of a perspective should it be? <span style="color:blue"> > > They are facts.</span> You may believe them to be. But they didn't help you substantiate anything or justify your position. <span style="color:blue"> > > There are many more facts and proofs that I will NOT post in public.</span> most assuredly there are multitudes of details and information. however, when there is an outcome, then all that stuff gets tossed into an old box and either thrown into the dumpster. at this time, you mind is the virtual dumpster for this issue. <span style="color:blue"> > > The facts are... > > PCBUTTS1 is a fake Microsoft MVP.</span> Perhaps so, perhaps not. Do you have proof or just making an unproviable claim? What has Microsoft told you when you filed a complaint or concern? <span style="color:blue"> > > PCBUTTS1 is male and black and definitely not female.</span> Perhaps so, perhaps not. You might be to. I might be as well. <span style="color:blue"> > > PCBUTTS1 has plagairized software from; Kelly Theirot (MS MVP), Winhelp2002 (MS MVP), > Noahdfear (MS MVP), Stuart Saunders, Robert A. Cooper, Andrew Aranoff, Kevin Zoll and > others.</span> well, then it is you duty to report such infringements. if you don't then you are as guilty as supposedly the person you are accusing. <span style="color:blue"> > > PCBUTTS1 is in fact Patrick Christopher Butts (aka; Chistopher Butts, Chris Butts)</span> I knew that already. <span style="color:blue"> > > PCBUTTS1 has pirated software from Microsoft.</span> then report it to Microsoft however, it is unlikely they will prosecute because Microsoft has told me they go after big time pirates. but who knows, Microsoft may actually employ pcb to show them how he could counter all the security features built into the software. <span style="color:blue"> > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp ></span> Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 I have to piggyback on your posts DB because SBC filters/Blocks posts made by Leythos and I do not see them unless quoted. All US hosting company are required by law to comply with the DMCA. They don't protect me or anyone else. When a complaint is filed the website is immediately shutdown. Shutdown first ask questions later. They all follow that. My case was no different except the fact that I knew exactly when it happened because I was on it. The only way they turned it back on was when I removed the link to download the software. That is the law. I was then required to file an answer to the complaint and provide proof of ownership of the software in question which I did. Once I removed the link my ISP then contacted the lying troll\complainant and informed them that the link has been removed, that I have disputed their claim and that they have 14 days to formally file a complaint and to provide proof of an infringement. If nothing is done in that 2 week period the it is closed. They are then required to produce a court order to enforce their complaint. If the complainant give my ISP proof then it is examined by the legal team at my ISP and a determination is made on who is right. If no determination can be made then they require a court order. After 14 days the takedown is lifted. In my case my site was down for less then an hour and went unnoticed because I removed the link. I provided proof, they tried, I won. The second DMCA filed on me they didn't even bother to provide proof. The third time my ISP knew it was just harassment and did nothing. Now anyone who tries will get nowhere. Ask David how come he was not able to provide proof that his stolen software was actually his and save his friends website like I was able to do with mine. That BS excuse he gave about not being a citizen is just that--BS. He knows he stole it he also knew the a DMCA is a USA law so he put his stolen Multi-avi up on a foreign site where it will be safe. That is the "Real Truth" -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below. They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste your time. David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos. " db ?¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message news:3D704482-DECC-4C59-95E2-991AC7250DC0@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I don't know why you think > private companies that > offer a service is bound > by court orders to keep > or remove any information > posted on their private > equipment. > > any company can remove > any information at will, > especially information posted > based of "free" > > you should read the terms > and conditions. > > many things that are considered > illegal or offensive have lone been > determined many years ago > by courts already, > > thus your belief that court > orders are necessary to act > in accordance with the law > is unfounded. > > further, the companies are > legally bound to report illegal > information to the feds. > > again, no court order is > required to mandate each > occurrence and violation. > > ----------------------- > > you seem to be amicable > to child molesting. > > therefore, I encourage you > to post child porn and lets > see if a court order is required > to remove your offensive > garbage from the servers > and lets see if your personal > data is kept confidential from > the feds. > > ----------- > > you must be living and posting > from the Netherlands. > > - > > db·?¯`·...?><)))º> > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional > - Systems Analyst > - Database Developer > - Accountancy > - Veteran of the Armed Forces > > "share the nirvana" - dbZen > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<span style="color:green"> >> >></span> > > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.240227837720bd0b98991f@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:green"> >> In article <B48F9507-D1D6-448A-A6F1-F72F087BB377@microsoft.com>, =?iso- >> 8859-15?Q?_db_=3F=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at >> hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> unfortunately, your belief >>> is simply flawed.</span> >> >> Nope, it's 100% spot on and I've got the email from PCB's hosting >> company to prove it. >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> all companies that provide >>> web hosting and others that >>> provide services, have the >>> right to remove any information >>> deemed as offensive or illegal.</span> >> >> You seem to think that "Have the right" means that they will be the >> determining factor in what is "Offensive" or "Illegal" and some hosting >> companies DO make that call, but most of them hide behind the "exact >> letter of the law" - Only a court can classify something as "Offensive" >> or "Illegal" and there are many hosting companies, those the host Porn >> sites as an example, that won't take any steps to remove content or a >> site until presented with a "COURT ORDER". >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> read the agreements they >>> provide when you apply for >>> their services or products.</span> >> >> You can read the TOS for the company that Butt's uses, it's online and >> clearly follows that I've posted - they will not take down a site or >> content unless directed by a court order. >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> in the u.s. copyrighted information >>> can be removed if a complaint >>> is made and proof is provided.</span> >> >> Yes, IF the hosting company does it on their own, but, as many will do, >> they require that PROOF to be in the form of a legal order or judgment >> against the site owner. >> >> You have a lot to learn about Piracy Protection, Copyright protection. >> >> >> -- >> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. >> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a >> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" >> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)</span> > </span> Quote
Guest Leythos Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 In article <3D704482-DECC-4C59-95E2-991AC7250DC0@microsoft.com>, =?iso- 8859-15?Q?_db_=3F=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA=3E`_.._.?= <databaseben at hotmail dot com> says...<span style="color:blue"> > I don't know why you think > private companies that > offer a service is bound > by court orders to keep > or remove any information > posted on their private > equipment.</span> You don't know why a "Private company" would follow the law? <span style="color:blue"> > any company can remove > any information at will, > especially information posted > based of "free"</span> Yes, they can, but once they start doing this based on "Their" standard it opens them to legal issues where they can be sued for NOT applying their own rules equally to all hosted sites. So, again, the company follows a simple set of rules: 1) Allow anyone to host anything 2) If a complaint is made against a site owner, ask site owner if they want to dispute complaint 3) If site owner disputes complaint, take no action without a court order. <span style="color:blue"> > you should read the terms > and conditions.</span> I clearly have read them, event talked with the company representatives - you should try it yourself. <span style="color:blue"> > many things that are considered > illegal or offensive have lone been > determined many years ago > by courts already, > > thus your belief that court > orders are necessary to act > in accordance with the law > is unfounded.</span> Nope, that's not true - unless it crosses previously defined legal boundaries, like Child Porn, many filthy and pornographically offensive materials can remain on a site. <span style="color:blue"> > further, the companies are > legally bound to report illegal > information to the feds.</span> Only IF they know it to be illegal. <span style="color:blue"> > again, no court order is > required to mandate each > occurrence and violation.</span> No, except that this hosting provide requires one in order to take action. <span style="color:blue"> > > ----------------------- > > you seem to be amicable > to child molesting.</span> Ah, now you're trolling and making an ass of yourself. <span style="color:blue"> > therefore, I encourage you > to post child porn and lets > see if a court order is required > to remove your offensive > garbage from the servers > and lets see if your personal > data is kept confidential from > the feds.</span> And now your trolling for sure. <span style="color:blue"> > you must be living and posting > from the Netherlands.</span> And again. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 In article <%D0ml.13871$as4.2793@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, toidi@tpap.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > And because I AM GOD I can get away with it when nobody else can including > stealing from Microsoft. You are one sick obsessed person. > </span> Why do you have copyrighted materials in your tools that you distribute without authorization from Microsoft? -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
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