Guest clive skinner Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my admin rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it but admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. HELP i have deleted EVERYONE from the properties and tried to revert to normal ADMIN user rights but it wont let me view docs and setts folder at all Quote
Guest Gordon Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 "clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23cMhW4ZqJHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my admin >rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it but >admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. ></span> "Documents and Settings" is NOT a folder. it's a Junction point. That's why you can't access it. Why are you even trying? Your data is held at C:\Users\{Your account}\Documents Windows Vista Junction Points: http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest Malke Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 clive skinner wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting > ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my admin > rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it but > admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. > > HELP > > > i have deleted EVERYONE from the properties and tried to revert to > normal > ADMIN user rights but it wont let me view docs and setts folder at all</span> Gordon has answered you here and I also answered the post you made in another newsgroup. Next time please crosspost instead of multiposting like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest Scott Seligman Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> >"clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote:<span style="color:green"> >>i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >>ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my >>admin rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it >>but admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way.</span> > >"Documents and Settings" is NOT a folder. it's a Junction point. That's >why you can't access it. Why are you even trying? Your data is held >at C:Users{Your account}Documents Windows Vista Junction Points: >http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm</span> Not that it really matters, but just because something is a junction point doesn't mean you can't access it (as that article suggests). "Documents and Settings" is just a junction point that has user access turned off. There can be other junction points that a user can access. -- --------- Scott Seligman <scott at <firstname> and michelle dot net> --------- For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: 'It might have been.' -- John Greenleaf Whittier Quote
Guest Paul Adare Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:22:49 -0700, Malke wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Gordon has answered you here</span> Answered perhaps, but not answered with a technically correct answer as Scott points out, and I see the same technically incorrect answer over and over again, even from MVPs. The system generated junction points in Vista (and Windows 7) are not inaccessible because of the fact that they are junction points, they are inaccessible because they contain a DENY access control entry (ACE) for the Everyone group in their discretionary access control list (DACL). Junction points are not inherently inaccessible. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca Quote
Guest Gordon Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 "Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message news:gq22f1$o6j$1@panix3.panix.com...<span style="color:blue"> > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:green"> >>"clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>>i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >>>ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my >>>admin rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it >>>but admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way.</span> >> >>"Documents and Settings" is NOT a folder. it's a Junction point. That's >>why you can't access it. Why are you even trying? Your data is held >>at C:Users{Your account}Documents Windows Vista Junction Points: >>http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm</span> > > Not that it really matters, but just because something is a junction > point doesn't mean you can't access it (as that article suggests). > "Documents and Settings" is just a junction point that has user access > turned off. There can be other junction points that a user can > access. > ></span> But why would you want to? There's nothing in it!!! -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest Scott Seligman Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > >"Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message >news:gq22f1$o6j$1@panix3.panix.com...<span style="color:green"> >> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>>"clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote: >>>>i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >>>>ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my >>>>admin rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it >>>>but admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. >>> >>>"Documents and Settings" is NOT a folder. it's a Junction point. That's >>>why you can't access it. Why are you even trying? Your data is held >>>at C:Users{Your account}Documents Windows Vista Junction Points: >>>http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm</span> >> >> Not that it really matters, but just because something is a junction >> point doesn't mean you can't access it (as that article suggests). >> "Documents and Settings" is just a junction point that has user access >> turned off. There can be other junction points that a user can >> access.</span> > >But why would you want to? There's nothing in it!!!</span> Huh? Junctions can absolutely point to data. And in the case of Documents and Settings junction, it points to the Users folder. If you removed the restriction preventing you from opening it, you'd have a longer path name that points to your user data. -- --------- Scott Seligman <scott at <firstname> and michelle dot net> --------- He had to get up to run some more. He told his muscles to do so. They told him they had the night off. -- Deadly Relations: Bester Ascendant by J. Gregory Keyes Quote
Guest Gordon Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 "Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message news:gq2aje$k6u$1@panix3.panix.com...<span style="color:blue"> > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> >>"Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message >>news:gq22f1$o6j$1@panix3.panix.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>"clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >>>>>ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my >>>>>admin rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it >>>>>but admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. >>>> >>>>"Documents and Settings" is NOT a folder. it's a Junction point. That's >>>>why you can't access it. Why are you even trying? Your data is held >>>>at C:Users{Your account}Documents Windows Vista Junction Points: >>>>http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm >>> >>> Not that it really matters, but just because something is a junction >>> point doesn't mean you can't access it (as that article suggests). >>> "Documents and Settings" is just a junction point that has user access >>> turned off. There can be other junction points that a user can >>> access.</span> >> >>But why would you want to? There's nothing in it!!!</span> > > Huh? Junctions can absolutely point to data. And in the case of > Documents and Settings junction, it points to the Users folder. If > you removed the restriction preventing you from opening it, you'd have > a longer path name that points to your user data. ></span> That's the nub - look up a dictionary definition of "POINTS" as opposed to "CONTAINS"...... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest Drezpc Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 Make sure the account you are using is part of the local administrators group on the computer in question. If is not, add it to the local admin group, then local off and back on this will update the ACL and ACE permissions and you will now have access to the C:\users location. You will receive a UAC (unless you turned it off) message, just press continue and you'll have access. "clive skinner" <clive.skinner@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23cMhW4ZqJHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >i have recently tried to access Documents and Settings but am getting >ACCESS DENIED for some reason yet i have done NOTHING to change my admin >rights yet there seems to be an option for EVERYONE to access it but >admin is not allowed to and it wont let me configure it that way. > > HELP > > > i have deleted EVERYONE from the properties and tried to revert to > normal ADMIN user rights but it wont let me view docs and setts folder at > all > </span> Quote
Guest Gordon Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Drezpc wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Make sure the account you are using is part of the local administrators > group on the computer in question. If is not, add it to the local admin > group, then local off and back on this will update the ACL and ACE > permissions and you will now have access to the C:users location. You > will > receive a UAC (unless you turned it off) message, just press continue and > you'll have access.</span> <sigh> In Vista "Documents and Settings" is a JUNCTION POINT - it doesn't contain anything that the OP could a) understand or style_emoticons/ do anything with. It's a POINTER to the Vista folder of C:\Users\{account name}\Documents, for the use of legacy applications that use the XP folder designation. If you have had experience with nix then it's like a symbolic link. Windows Vista Junction Points: http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) Quote
Guest random.coder@gmail.com Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 On Mar 22, 11:52 pm, Gordon <gordonbpar...@yahoo.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > <sigh> In  Vista "Documents and Settings" is a JUNCTION POINT - it > doesn't contain anything that the OP could a) understand or style_emoticons/ do > anything with. It's a POINTER to the Vista folder of C:Users{account > name}Documents</span> Vista's "Documents and Settings" folder points to C:\Users. There is another junction inside of each user folder, "My Documents" that points to "Documents" Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uGwafP4qJHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Drezpc wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Make sure the account you are using is part of the local administrators >> group on the computer in question. If is not, add it to the local admin >> group, then local off and back on this will update the ACL and ACE >> permissions and you will now have access to the C:users location. You >> will >> receive a UAC (unless you turned it off) message, just press continue and >> you'll have access.</span> > > <sigh> In Vista "Documents and Settings" is a JUNCTION POINT - it doesn't > contain anything that the OP could a) understand or style_emoticons/ do anything with. > It's a POINTER to the Vista folder of C:Users{account name}Documents, > for the use of legacy applications that use the XP folder designation. > If you have had experience with nix then it's like a symbolic link. > > Windows Vista Junction Points: > > http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm</span> You are implying that there is nothing in C:\Users\{account name}\Documents that a user could a) understand or style_emoticons/ do anything with. Microsoft should either not show the Documents and Settings directory (the junction point that looks like a directory) or allow access to it. The way it is done is clearly extremely confusing. Programs written the way Microsoft recommends would not be affected by the change. The following VBScript produces "C:\Users\Sam\Documents" for me. Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell") WScript.Echo WshShell.SpecialFolders("MyDocuments") How would a "legacy application" use "Documents and Settings"? The following VBScript (a slightly modified version of the sample in the FolderItems.Items documentation) reports that there are 0 items in my "My Documents" folder. fnFolderObjectItemsVB "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\My Documents" function fnFolderObjectItemsVB(foldername) dim objShell dim objFolder set objShell = CreateObject("Shell.Application") set objFolder = objShell.NameSpace(foldername) if (not objFolder is nothing) then dim objFolderItems WScript.Echo objFolder.title set objFolderItems = objFolder.Items if (not objFolderItems Is Nothing) then WScript.Echo objFolderItems.Count end if set objFolderItem = nothing end if set objFolder = nothing set objShell = nothing end function Quote
Guest Scott Seligman Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> >Microsoft should either not show the Documents and Settings directory >(the junction point that looks like a directory)</span> These junction points created for backwards compatibility are hidden by default, so a user generally has to look for hidden files to see them in the first place. <span style="color:blue"> > or allow access to it. The way it is done is clearly extremely >confusing.</span> While I agree, I'd guess MS did a usability study on leaving them visible and that confused users more (Why are there two copies of all my documents in two different folders?, etc) I am curious how many applications break without these junction points. I'm not curious enough, however, to delete the junction points on my machine and see what blows up. -- --------- Scott Seligman <scott at <firstname> and michelle dot net> --------- Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world. -- Mary Shafer, NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 "Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message news:gq8r1u$kv6$1@panix3.panix.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > I am curious how many applications break without these junction points. > I'm not curious enough, however, to delete the junction points on my > machine and see what blows up.</span> Yes. Quote
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