Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Windows Vista Basic sp1. Im using a 3rd party firewall program. In Administrative Tools---Services it shows Windows Firewall status as Started. But, in Security Center it shows my 3rd party firewall being On but Windows Firewall being off. Also, in Administrative Tools---Windows Firewall with Advanced Security is showing Windows Firewall being on in Domain Profile. Is this normal? Why would one show Windows Firewall as On and another show it as Off??? James Quote
Guest Victek Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 > Windows Vista Basic sp1.<span style="color:blue"> > > Im using a 3rd party firewall program. In Administrative Tools---Services > it shows Windows Firewall status as Started. But, in Security Center it > shows my 3rd party firewall being On but Windows Firewall being off. > Also, in Administrative Tools---Windows Firewall with Advanced Security is > showing > Windows Firewall being on in Domain Profile. Is this normal? > Why would one show Windows Firewall as On and another show it as Off??? > > James ></span> Interesting. I have Vista Business SP1 and see the same thing. Apparently running the service is not the same an enabling the firewall. I guess you could turn off the service, however if you uninstall the 3rd party firewall you would have to remember to turn the service back on. 3rd party firewalls are usually smart enough to toggle the Windows firewall off when they install, and back on if they are uninstalled, but obviously the service needs to keep running for that to not require user interaction. Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 I keep hearing about it's not a good idea to have 2 Firewall programs running, that they could conflict. "Victek" <Victek@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:OkYe3orwJHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> Windows Vista Basic sp1. >> >> Im using a 3rd party firewall program. In Administrative Tools---Services >> it shows Windows Firewall status as Started. But, in Security Center it >> shows my 3rd party firewall being On but Windows Firewall being off. >> Also, in Administrative Tools---Windows Firewall with Advanced Security >> is showing >> Windows Firewall being on in Domain Profile. Is this normal? >> Why would one show Windows Firewall as On and another show it as Off??? >> >> James >></span> > Interesting. I have Vista Business SP1 and see the same thing. > Apparently running the service is not the same an enabling the firewall. > I guess you could turn off the service, however if you uninstall the 3rd > party firewall you would have to remember to turn the service back on. > 3rd party firewalls are usually smart enough to toggle the Windows > firewall off when they install, and back on if they are uninstalled, but > obviously the service needs to keep running for that to not require user > interaction. </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen news:eQTijNswJHA.5684@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > I keep hearing about it's not a good idea to have 2 Firewall programs > running, that they > could conflict.</span> Yes that's correct. Uninstall the 3rd party firewall and enable/use Vista's built-in. Thats really all you need. /Jesper Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 My 3rd party firewall is part of a internet security suite and I plan on keeping it up and running unless I run into some unforeseen problems, it stays. James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8705EEB7-9684-4902-93A9-45ACFBBFEED7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:eQTijNswJHA.5684@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> I keep hearing about it's not a good idea to have 2 Firewall programs >> running, that they >> could conflict.</span> > > Yes that's correct. > Uninstall the 3rd party firewall and enable/use Vista's built-in. Thats > really all you need. > > /Jesper </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen news:u2gRYjswJHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > My 3rd party firewall is part of a internet security suite and I plan on > keeping > it up and running unless I run into some unforeseen problems, it stays. ></span> Ok, but then uninstall your security suite, you really dont need it. To setup a simple and clean defense layer, follow these steps: 1. Enable automatic updates (Windows + Adobe + Java, etc.) http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#update 2. Enable windows firewall http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#firewall 3. Usa a limited user account (LUA) http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#non-admin 4. Setup Software Restriction policy http://www.mechbgon.com/srp/ 5. Make one baseline image (system backup) http://www.macrium.com/ReflectFree.asp 6. Implement data backup (ex. Carbonite online backup) http://www.carbonite.com Security suites gives people a lot of problems, dont waste your time and mony on these products. /Jesper Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of problems.' Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat. James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:48F603A9-742F-40E9-A696-2B99F6BA9D6D@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:u2gRYjswJHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> My 3rd party firewall is part of a internet security suite and I plan on >> keeping >> it up and running unless I run into some unforeseen problems, it stays. >></span> > > Ok, but then uninstall your security suite, you really dont need it. > To setup a simple and clean defense layer, follow these steps: > > 1. Enable automatic updates (Windows + Adobe + Java, etc.) > http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#update > > 2. Enable windows firewall > http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#firewall > > 3. Usa a limited user account (LUA) > http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#non-admin > > 4. Setup Software Restriction policy > http://www.mechbgon.com/srp/ > > 5. Make one baseline image (system backup) > http://www.macrium.com/ReflectFree.asp > > 6. Implement data backup (ex. Carbonite online backup) > http://www.carbonite.com > > Security suites gives people a lot of problems, dont waste your time and > mony on these products. > > /Jesper > > > > > > > > > </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none > except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of > problems.' > > Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time > Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. /Jesper Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Shouldn't one scan for viruses occasionally, though?? You've put a bug in my ear now. James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none >> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >> problems.' >> >> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> > > The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the > end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. > If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, > Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. > > /Jesper > > > </span> Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Any other opinions? Please feel free to jump in. "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none >> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >> problems.' >> >> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> > > The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the > end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. > If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, > Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. > > /Jesper > > > </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen news:OcZiIUtwJHA.6068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Shouldn't one scan for viruses occasionally, though?? > > You've put a bug in my ear now.</span> No, because you wont get infected if you follow the steps I provied before. Its that simple. Pros: No more 1 year paid license (security suites) No more bugs or constantly updates No more processes that hangs or goes down No more installation of scam tools like Superantispyware, Malwarebytes etc. No more malware on your PC. Cons: None /Jesper Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has >> none >> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >> problems.' >> >> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> > > The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the > end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. > If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need > Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis.</span> You would still need antivirus (and anti-malware would still be a good idea). Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen news:#EeZUhtwJHA.3364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none >>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >>> problems.' >>> >>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> >> >> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the >> end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, >> Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis.</span> > > You would still need antivirus (and anti-malware would still be a good > idea).</span> Do tell, why we still need it?. /Jesper Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 There is no reason (except for human nature) for antivirus to be as cumbersome as it is in today's environment. Given all of Jesper's excellent suggestions for securing your system (and strict adherence to such measures) you would still need antivirus because viruses can get in through even the trusted methods for running any new programs. Antivirus is always a part of safe computing best practices. "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:OcZiIUtwJHA.6068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Shouldn't one scan for viruses occasionally, though?? > > You've put a bug in my ear now. > > James > > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has >>> none >>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >>> problems.' >>> >>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> >> >> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in >> the end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need >> Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. >> >> /Jesper >> >> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Antivirus used to be a tool to help a user determine if a program has been infected with a known virus. It has since become a crutch to enable users to exhibit unsafe behavior. Seeing the unsafe behavior, and enacting countermeasures to virtually negate the need for the crutch does not remove the original need for the detector. Add to that the fact that viruses can gain ingress by worms, so policies aren't the last word. Keep an AV (preferably an "on access" scanner) and the windows firewall. There is no shame in running the occasional anti[malware|spyware|adware] applications. A real firewall is a good idea too. "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:OPgRBZtwJHA.248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Any other opinions? Please feel free to jump in. > > > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has >>> none >>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >>> problems.' >>> >>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> >> >> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in >> the end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need >> Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. >> >> /Jesper >> >> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:448EFFE0-9842-4F73-9570-EC913622F255@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen > news:#EeZUhtwJHA.3364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> >>> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >>> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has >>>> none >>>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot >>>> of problems.' >>>> >>>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat. >>> >>> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in >>> the end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >>> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need >>> Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis.</span> >> >> You would still need antivirus (and anti-malware would still be a >> good idea).</span> > > Do tell, why we still need it?.</span> Same as always - to determine if a program is infected with a known virus before executing it on the system. Quote
Guest Dave Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 My 2¢: Back up your files. I use Acronis True Image Home, plus I have a Windows Home Server. Burn you photos and other precious files to DVD, in addition to backing them up. Don't use a security suite. They try to do too much, and don't do it very well. Use Windows Firewall and Defender. Use a free Anti-virus, like AVG or Avast, and make sure they are updated. Don't scan email, it's superfluous and can cause corruption. Anti-spam software causes more problems than it solves. Run Ad-Aware and/or Malwarebytes scans weekly, after updating them. Back up your files. -- Windows 7 beta http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview http://download.live.com/wlmail "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:OPgRBZtwJHA.248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Any other opinions? Please feel free to jump in. > > > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none >>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >>> problems.' >>> >>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> >> >> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the >> end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, >> Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. >> >> /Jesper >> >> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen news:eDkPKmtwJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > There is no reason (except for human nature) for antivirus to be as > cumbersome as it is in today's environment. Given all of Jesper's > excellent suggestions for securing your system (and strict adherence to > such measures) you would still need antivirus because viruses can get in > through even the trusted methods for running any new programs. > > Antivirus is always a part of safe computing best practices.</span> Says who. This is where i strongly disagree with you. Take any given new trojan and scan it with a online scanner and you will see the poor results. People install a security suite and they dont have to think anymore, that is so wrong and it wont solve the malware problem. That is false security and it will only gives them a lot of problems. (slow computer/internet, crashes, you name it). Malware can only get in, if you choose to logon with an admin account, and install it. But this is where the word "think" comes in. Only install applications from trusted sources. If you dont know, search google. And if you dont think and malware slips through, you will be up and running again within 2 hours (from your baseline image and data backup). How hard can it be :-). /Jesper Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen news:uGVrGxtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > Same as always - to determine if a program is infected with a known virus > before executing it on the system.</span> I asume that you are talking about installing new applications with a admin account, right. In the past (+10 years) I have installed a loooots of applications, my AV newer said anything Search google instead to see if its a trusted application/source. /Jesper Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Don't you think that with security suite I now can basically forget about vulnerabilities and maybe have some fun with my computer??? James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Ohg1H5twJHA.6068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen > news:eDkPKmtwJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> There is no reason (except for human nature) for antivirus to be as >> cumbersome as it is in today's environment. Given all of Jesper's >> excellent suggestions for securing your system (and strict adherence to >> such measures) you would still need antivirus because viruses can get in >> through even the trusted methods for running any new programs. >> >> Antivirus is always a part of safe computing best practices.</span> > > Says who. This is where i strongly disagree with you. > Take any given new trojan and scan it with a online scanner and you will > see the poor results. > People install a security suite and they dont have to think anymore, that > is so wrong and it wont solve the malware problem. > That is false security and it will only gives them a lot of problems. > (slow computer/internet, crashes, you name it). > > Malware can only get in, if you choose to logon with an admin account, and > install it. But this is where the word "think" comes in. > Only install applications from trusted sources. If you dont know, search > google. > And if you dont think and malware slips through, you will be up and > running again within 2 hours (from your baseline image and data backup). > How hard can it be :-). > > /Jesper > > > > > > </span> Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I'm not sure if I'm ready to have a system without anti-virus software. What a concept!! James "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:uGVrGxtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:448EFFE0-9842-4F73-9570-EC913622F255@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:#EeZUhtwJHA.3364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen >>>> news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has >>>>> none >>>>> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of >>>>> problems.' >>>>> >>>>> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time >>>>> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat. >>>> >>>> The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the >>>> end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. >>>> If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need >>>> Antivirus, Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. >>> >>> You would still need antivirus (and anti-malware would still be a good >>> idea).</span> >> >> Do tell, why we still need it?.</span> > > Same as always - to determine if a program is infected with a known virus > before executing it on the system. > </span> Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 So what you're saying is if I follow your suggestions (which by the way are logical) I have no chance what-so-ever of contracting a virus? 0 James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:B52DD28F-09C3-434B-B4A2-9880E1D2954C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> skrev i meddelelsen > news:uGVrGxtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> Same as always - to determine if a program is infected with a known virus >> before executing it on the system.</span> > > I asume that you are talking about installing new applications with a > admin account, right. > In the past (+10 years) I have installed a loooots of applications, my AV > newer said anything > Search google instead to see if its a trusted application/source. > > /Jesper </span> Quote
Guest Jesper Ravn Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen news:OCwmA#twJHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Don't you think that with security suite I now can basically forget about > vulnerabilities and maybe have some fun with my computer???</span> Maybee. If you want to pay for a product, that in the end only will give you more problems than it solves, then is your choice. I just tried to give you a more simple and free solution to the malware problem. /Jesper Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:56 -0400, "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Shouldn't one scan for viruses occasionally, though??</span> Yes, and other forms of malware. I completely disagree with Jesper Ravn. Certainly you can and should follow safe computing practices. But relying on them is foolhardy. No matter how careful you think you are, you are always susceptible to making a mistake, particularly on a day when you are tired, upset, had a fight with your wife, etc. Backing up those safe computing practices with security software is another layer of protection, and that layer is good to have. In fact, I think it's foolhardy to not have it. <span style="color:blue"> > You've put a bug in my ear now. > > James > > "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2031C339-2E41-4717-8194-2E8843D1DC0B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > > > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > > news:eyBfcDtwJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> > >> > >> This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none > >> except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of > >> problems.' > >> > >> Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time > >> Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.</span> > > > > The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the > > end, they just slow down your work and waste your time. > > If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus, > > Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis. > > > > /Jesper > > > > > > </span></span> -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest JamesJ Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 You definitely opened my eyes to a few things. I know these suites do eat up resources and of course I do appreciate your ideas regarding security. James "Jesper Ravn" <jesper_ravn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23SSM8GuwJHA.248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> skrev i meddelelsen > news:OCwmA#twJHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Don't you think that with security suite I now can basically forget about >> vulnerabilities and maybe have some fun with my computer???</span> > > > Maybee. If you want to pay for a product, that in the end only will give > you more problems than it solves, then is your choice. > I just tried to give you a more simple and free solution to the malware > problem. > > /Jesper </span> Quote
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