Euthanasia. a murder or a pseudo help?

[kevz]

what do you guys think of euthanasia?

is it a murder or you guys think it could help people?

[builder]

If I became too feeble to find my way to a high place, and drop off the edge, then I'd appreciate a service that puts me to sleep.

[phreakwars]

I think my mother in law could really use some of it's benefits.

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[Chi]

Um, I think if someone is in a state of extreme suffering why not put them out of their pain and misery? What is wrong with that? Even dogs and animals get that luxury.

[snafu]

You know what? If life sucks and you got nothing to live for, take me out.

Luckly it's friday and I have the weekend to live for.

[Zukiman]

I think it should be an option for terminally ill people. Why suffer?

Euthanasia could also take care of the millions of illegals in this country. It would be less painful than a 30-06 round to the gut.

[snafu]

The problem is the catch twenty two. You have an ailing member of the family and a family member gives them the guilt treatment. Like:

[Lethalfind]

You only have to look at some of the effects of things like Cancer and you can see where it might be a good idea for some. I am a realistic person, once you get too a certain place, I would rather die from an overdose of medicine then drag it out so my whole family can see me deprived of all that makes us human and watch me writhe in pain.

 

I think think this is clearly a personal thing and while I feel this way, some people feel its wrong or believe that they can be healed at any time so would not want to take the route I describe.

[atlantic]

Having seen many people I love die from cancer after a prolonged suffering I'm all for it. I was once engaged to a man who was 32 yrs old one day, riding around on his harley, and a few months later couldn't see, walk, or remember anything, that sucked

[Chi]

The problem is the catch twenty two. You have an ailing member of the family and a family member gives them the guilt treatment. Like:

[snafu]

Or what about the other way around? The suffering person is the one that wants to end the suffering and just die already and some family member(s) constantly talk them into with stuff like "No, just hang on. You'll go to hell", "suicide is wrong", "you are being selfish by not sticking around for your family, grandchildren/whatever".

 

Btw I don't know if you will go to hell for suicide or not, so don't anyone quote me or blame me if you go ahead with it and you do end up in hell;p

 

Yeah that's why I called it a catch twenty two. But either way like Lethal said it should be a personal thing. No one should make someone live or die.

[angie]

I'm all for it. However, I think it should be discussed long before getting to that miserable place, between patient and doctor. Like when the patient is first diagnosed-doctor tells patient it couldbe/is terminal and asks what the patient may want to do long run-something like a DNR or Living Will. There was recently a case in CT, the poor guy is in his 50s and helped his mother kill herself (she was 97). She had been planning it for over 20 years, that when the time came, she would control her fate instead of 'living' in misery.

 

The 55-year-old Roxbury man accused of assisting in his terminally ill mother's suicide allegedly told police he was helping her fulfill something she had planned for nearly 20 years.

 

Details of Elizabeth Meyer's death were made public Wednesday when the arrest warrant affidavit was unsealed at a brief hearing for Thomas Meyer, the Republican-American reported. According to the affidavit, Meyer said he gave his 97-year-old mother three sleeping pills, helped her put the surgical mask over her mouth and a fastened a plastic bag over her head with string before leaving her Southbury condominium.

Elizabeth Meyer died Aug. 15. Her son was arrested on manslaughter charges Sept. 19.

 

He told police that for the past two decades his mother had planned to take her life when she felt she could no longer live a good life. Court documents also revealed Thomas Meyer said his mother was a member of Compassion & Choices, a group formerly known as the Hemlock Society that promotes a person's right to end his or her life.

 

Meyer is out on a $100,000 bond. He did not enter a plea Wednesday and is due back in court Oct. 18. If convicted, he faces 20 years in prison.

 

Fucking BS. Makes me so mad. I hope he gets off.

[builder]

Australia's Northern Territory passed a bill allowing euthanasia about ten years back.

 

The Fed govt overturned the bill, and made it a manslaughter charge.

 

Doctor Philip Nitschke took his "death show" on the road, and still lobbies for the law to be resumed to allow those who wish to die painlessly, their right to decide how and when they die. From memory, he set up a simple computer program that the "retiree" uses, answering a few questions, before clicking the yes button, which activates an injection into the palm.

 

The Prime Minister says he is appalled by the suicide of Lisette Nigot, a healthy 79-year-old. But the euthanasia workshops run by the man she called her inspiration, Philip Nitschke, are booked solid. Greg Roberts, Mark Metherell and Ruth Pollard report.

 

They come to discuss methods of dying. In groups of about 15 at a time - average age 75 - they attend Philip Nitschke's workshops.

 

Article here.

[eddo]

what do you guys think of euthanasia?

is it a murder or you guys think it could help people?

 

I think it would do you wonders...

[Lethalfind]

I think the best thing to do is make sure you can do it yourself, if thats what you want. I would'nt want to put a family member or loved one in that position to help me take my own life.

 

I was reading a book by a medical examiner and from what it said, Heroin overdose would be a good way to go and of course the drug is illegal but it can be gotten and held on to once you know your illness has progressed to the point where you can't take it anymore but before your bad enough to NOT be able to administer the dose yourself. Of course it would take less of the drug to overdose if your not a user but you would want to make sure you took enough so no one would be able to bring you back and so forth.

 

Morbid I know.

[snafu]

I'm all for it. However, I think it should be discussed long before getting to that miserable place, between patient and doctor. Like when the patient is first diagnosed-doctor tells patient it couldbe/is terminal and asks what the patient may want to do long run-something like a DNR or Living Will. There was recently a case in CT, the poor guy is in his 50s and helped his mother kill herself (she was 97). She had been planning it for over 20 years, that when the time came, she would control her fate instead of 'living' in misery.

 

 

 

Fucking BS. Makes me so mad. I hope he gets off.

Yes it is BS. If he's just being charged with manslaughter, he'll will probably get off with only a few months. On the other end and depending the state he's in, they might want to make an example of him and give him more time. I can't see more than five years for manslaughter in any state.

[snafu]

I think the best thing to do is make sure you can do it yourself, if thats what you want. I would'nt want to put a family member or loved one in that position to help me take my own life.

 

I was reading a book by a medical examiner and from what it said, Heroin overdose would be a good way to go and of course the drug is illegal but it can be gotten and held on to once you know your illness has progressed to the point where you can't take it anymore but before your bad enough to NOT be able to administer the dose yourself. Of course it would take less of the drug to overdose if your not a user but you would want to make sure you took enough so no one would be able to bring you back and so forth.

 

Morbid I know.

I now four friends that died of heroin and my uncle. They all died with in seconds of taking it. I know that two of them quit for a while and then didn't realize that they couldn't take as much as they used to. I know of one of them died witht the needle still in his arm.

[Lethalfind]

Sounds like a good way to go too me then...the absolute last thing I would want would be a painful or lingering death.

[THE BITCH]

Sorry gotta disagree i think it is selfish to ask a loved one to take your life.

Also you got the cases then where people are unable to say whether they want to die or not and you only have the family members word for it then and it could very well be another micheal v terri case the taking of somebodie elses life is murder pure and simple and we should not have the right to do so in any circumstance

[Lethalfind]

Sorry gotta disagree i think it is selfish to ask a loved one to take your life.

Also you got the cases then where people are unable to say whether they want to die or not and you only have the family members word for it then and it could very well be another micheal v terri case the taking of somebodie elses life is murder pure and simple and we should not have the right to do so in any circumstance

 

I agree, I wouldn't want to put a loved one or indeed anyone in that position. If thats what I want and I am in that position then I will do it myself. Asking someone else to do it for you, puts them in a bad position not only legally but emotionally.

 

I think people have to plan, put their wishes in clear indesputable writing. Unfortunately this leaves alot of people in a place where they are not forewarned of their illness.

[THE BITCH]

I agree, I wouldn't want to put a loved one or indeed anyone in that position. If thats what I want and I am in that position then I will do it myself. Asking someone else to do it for you, puts them in a bad position not only legally but emotionally.

 

I think people have to plan, put their wishes in clear indesputable writing. Unfortunately this leaves alot of people in a place where they are not forewarned of their illness.

 

I agree living wills are the way to go that way you only have to give a copy to your doctor to put in your medical records and should you have a sudden accident all the information is there from the start of treatment.

[Lethalfind]

My Mother has a living will and directive to physicians the whole deal. I told her not too leave something like that too me because I could never, would never direct doctors to NOT Feed her. To me that is not medical care, that is just basic. She however felt that under certain circumstances, she would want to be deprived of food. I told her that if I had to do something like that, it would haunt me the rest of my life, I wouldn't have one moments peace at the thought of what I had done. The fact she wanted it would not make me feel any better.

[THE BITCH]

Yeah it would be kinda like you would always be wondering did i do the right thing ?Did they change their mind ?It would just constantly haunt me if i were to take nothers life.

[Feckless Wench]

I would hope that I would do whatever my loved one wanted. If they were in pain with no chance of recovering then I would have to put my own feelings aside and do as they requested.

 

How could I ever live with myself if I allowed a loved one to die slowly and painfully? If I loved them while they were in the peak of fitness then it stands to reason that I should love them unselfishly at the end.

[AdR]

My adoptive mother recently died of cancer throughout her body, and in the last couple of days of her life she was completely immobile, not being fed or given liquids, had no pain due to morphine injections every four minutes given by a machine and eventually died of breathing complications and heart failure. As I sat with my two adoptive sisters and my mother's partner of 15 years we wondered what the point of keeping her alive in that manner was, and why the morphine could not have just been increased to effectively end her life in a serene manner, rather than having to wait to die god knows when while her body got dehydrated and starving. If someone can tell me why my mother should have to be put through a load of pain, suffering and the rest when we would not put a pig through that please tell me