Will you be voting?

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Interesting opinion Hugo of Democrats, studies show that the most wealthy and educated and the lowest classes vote Democrat and the middle class vote Republican. For many that vote Republican, they do so mistakenly believing that the tax breaks favored by the Republicans will help them when in fact they don't have enough money for it too make a difference. Source you ask??? My Policitcal Science text book so far, I'm about to write a paper that will touch on this so I will have to search out more sources.

 

I guess I don

[hugo]

There is still some hope that the Republican Party might return to the principles of Barry Goldwater. The Democrats are heading full speed ahead down the road to serfdom (socialism).

[Semper Fi- do or die]

Don't worry about it. To many Americans with guns. lol

 

Its seem this is what I have gathered.

 

Republicans: Corrupt, Rich, jerks, self assured, dont care of minorities that much, place buddies in military offices (damn you Mr. Winter!!! Sec of the navy...), Don't keep promises, tax return a must, and always have a scandal or ready to go to war. Also likes guns.

 

Democrats: Pussies, Rich, Complain alot, Pretend to care about minorities, Place RETARDS in military office, don't promise anything, raise taxes and always get involved in a war they don't want but it good for the world. Also doesn't like guns.

 

I like be Republican. Get to keep my guns.

[phreakwars]

Democrats raise taxes ??

 

Yep, they sure do..

 

Raise MY taxes ???

 

Nope, never happened

 

Republicans lower taxes ??

 

Yep, they sure do..

 

Lower MY taxes...

 

HA !!

 

Proven fact... every time a REP is in office, the deficit is off the charts, then a DEM gets voted in... raises taxes to clean up the mess left by the GOP.

 

Once everything is in balance, people vote for REPS again because some corporate REP asshole convinces them that the extra taxes THEY are paying are extra taxes WE are paying.. It's simply NEVER true.

 

When that tactic doesn't work, they throw out the "BIBLE" and "FAMILY VALUES" card. And claim anyone who is NOT a Republican is a sinner and a worthless piece of shit.

 

I posted this once before, but for those who have never read it:

 

Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full

of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water

quality standards.

 

 

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His

medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their

safety and that they would work as advertised.

 

 

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical

plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid

medical insurance, that Joe now gets too.

 

 

He prepares his morning breakfast-bacon and eggs today. Joe's bacon is safe

to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing

industry.

 

 

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is

properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents

because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his

body and how many chemicals it contained.

 

 

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is

cleaner because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries

from polluting our air.

 

 

He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work;

it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see,

some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives

everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

 

 

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medical

benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union

members fought and died for these working standards.

 

 

Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his

employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed

he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal

didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

 

 

It's noon time. Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.

Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted

to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking

system before the depression.

 

 

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market

federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the

government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over

his life-time.

 

 

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm

home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is

among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety

standards.

 

 

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the

house financed by Farmers Home Administration (FHA) because bankers didn't

want to make rural loans.

 

 

The house didn't have electricity until some big government liberal stuck

his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those

rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark)

 

 

He is happy to see his dad, who is now retired. His dad lives on Social

Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take

care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

 

 

After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home. He

turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and

conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans

have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his

day)

Joe agrees. "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives;

after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of

themselves, just like I have."

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[snafu]

Democrats raise taxes ??

 

Yep, they sure do..

 

Raise MY taxes ???

 

Nope, never happened

 

Republicans lower taxes ??

 

Yep, they sure do..

 

Lower MY taxes...

 

HA !!

 

Proven fact... every time a REP is in office, the deficit is off the charts, then a DEM gets voted in... raises taxes to clean up the mess left by the GOP.

 

Once everything is in balance, people vote for REPS again because some corporate REP asshole convinces them that the extra taxes THEY are paying are extra taxes WE are paying.. It's simply NEVER true.

 

When that tactic doesn't work, they throw out the "BIBLE" and "FAMILY VALUES" card. And claim anyone who is NOT a Republican is a sinner and a worthless piece of shit.

 

I posted this once before, but for those who have never read it:

 

 

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Yeah I read it before. It was a good fairy tale then and it's a good fairy tale now.

[phreakwars]

Yeah I read it before. It was a good fairy tale then and it's a good fairy tale now.

And next your gonna claim the SURPLUS we had under Clinton's watch was Bush seniors doing:rolleyes:

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[ToriAllen]

Proven fact... every time a REP is in office, the deficit is off the charts, then a DEM gets voted in... raises taxes to clean up the mess left by the GOP.

 

Once everything is in balance, people vote for REPS again because some corporate REP asshole convinces them that the extra taxes THEY are paying are extra taxes WE are paying.. It's simply NEVER true.

 

When that tactic doesn't work, they throw out the "BIBLE" and "FAMILY VALUES" card. And claim anyone who is NOT a Republican is a sinner and a worthless piece of shit.

 

I posted this once before, but for those who have never read it:

Proven by whom. The proven fact is that the deficit averages about the same with Repub or Dem and the difference is in the individual rather than the Party affiliation. When Republicans cut taxes, they also cut a lot of unnecessary spending on dead end projects and

[phreakwars]

When Republicans cut taxes, they also cut a lot of unnecessary spending on dead end projects and ‘social programs’ that aren’t doing any good.

One would think by A: cutting taxes and B: eliminating "dead end" projects, the deficit would REALLY be cut... what are these "DEAD END" projects anyway??

 

Oh yeah... Social Security, education, health care, etc, etc... Buying bullets is a MUCH better investment.

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[snafu]

One would think by A: cutting taxes and B: eliminating "dead end" projects, the deficit would REALLY be cut... what are these "DEAD END" projects anyway??

 

Oh yeah... Social Security, education, health care, etc, etc... Buying bullets is a MUCH better investment.

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Yes bullets are a much better investment. You wouldn't have ssn, education, health care, etc.... without those bullets.

[phreakwars]

Now that's the biggest crock of shit in this post so far.

First of all, lets say these "unneeded" programs that the delusional Ms. Allen was talking about, were never enacted in the first place by the DEM bastards, is she saying that there would be an even higher SURPLUS ??

 

And now snatchfood is saying we need arms to keep everyone safe, financially secure, educated, and healthy ??

 

Oh please explain that logic.

 

What, when we have enough bullets, then I can retire ??

 

The big bad Muslims want me dead because I have health insurance and a check every month when I retire ??

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[snafu]

No but without protection we won’t have anything. Of course the bullet is a metaphor for security. Every other nation now wants to jump on the nuke band wagon. Because of N Korea and Iran, Japan wants them. What would happen if we said “here ya go, we don’t need ours”? Our bullets protect other naitons as well as ours. You tell me what would happen without them.

[Hamza123]

No but without protection we won

[snafu]

Islamic terrorists, and now North Korea... It's sick to watch you being spoon fed by the Bush Administration like a little child. Grow up.

 

Any Muslim to ever defy the US doesn't give a shit weather you're a free country or not. The point is, time and time again US Administrations choose to go to war and it happens to be on Muslim soil. Indirectly or Directly.

Hamza Your not old enough to have seen has many different admistratons as I have. I can tell you it dosn't matter if it's Bush, Kerry, Clinton or your mom. The threat is real and they will all fight to protect our society.

[hugo]

The highest deficit to GDP ratio was built up in the Democratic administrations of FDR. It was needed to fund the arsenal needed to beat Tojo and Hitler. Money well spent. The Reagan deficits were mainly due to increased defense spending that drove the USSR to bankruptcy when they tried to match it. Money well spent. The Clinton administrations were able to cut defense spending due to the demise of the USSR. GW Bush's deficits are due to increased social programs, subsidies and other liberal programs along with a ignorant neo-con war. Bush ain't no conservative except on social issues,

[ToriAllen]

One would think by A: cutting taxes and B: eliminating "dead end" projects, the deficit would REALLY be cut... what are these "DEAD END" projects anyway??

 

Oh yeah... Social Security, education, health care, etc, etc... Buying bullets is a MUCH better investment.

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Wow. There really isn

[Hamza123]

Hamza Your not old enough to have seen has many different admistratons as I have. I can tell you it dosn't matter if it's Bush, Kerry, Clinton or your mom. The threat is real and they will all fight to protect our society.

 

I don't give it a shit if you shared a loaf of Bread with Jesus or you just got an Ipod. You tell me you have all thise experience because of your age but thats bullshit. You refuse to see the bigger picture. I proved your ass wrong in the shoutbox by simply using photoshop. I have proved your ass wrong about Israel and how you simply choose to allie with them because they are the strongest force in the Middle East... Wow snafucker... snitch.

[phreakwars]

Wow. There really isn

[hugo]

Michael Savage has it right...liberalism is a mental disorder.

[builder]

Michael Savage has it right...liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

So how would you describe republicanism, Hugo?

 

You realise you are walking into a minefield to answer that question?

[ToriAllen]

Is there ever ?? .

Not really.

Oh, you mean the act that says no matter how stupid your kid is, he gets a diploma anyway ??? .

You said Republicans cut educational spending, I was simply proving you wrong. I never said I agreed with the bill. In case you forgot, Democrats are the ones behind the whole politically correct, can

[ToriAllen]

So how would you describe republicanism, Hugo?

 

You realise you are walking into a minefield to answer that question?

The opposite of liberalism is conservatism, dumbass. Like I said before, stick to subjects you know something about.

[hugo]

So how would you describe republicanism, Hugo?

 

You realise you are walking into a minefield to answer that question?

 

Ya better get a Republican to answer that one. IMO, the last rational Republican was Barry Goldwater. The mental disorder is clearly contagious. There is some hope the Republicans can recover. The Democrats chose to lead us down the road to serfdom long ago.

 

 

Why am I not a Republican? For the same reason Hayek was not a conservative. From Hayek's "Why I am not a Conservative:

 

Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments. But, though there is a need for a "brake on the vehicle of progress,"[3] I personally cannot be content with simply helping to apply the brake. What the liberal must ask, first of all, is not how fast or how far we should move, but where we should move. In fact, he differs much more from the collectivist radical of today than does the conservative. While the last generally holds merely a mild and moderate version of the prejudices of his time, the liberal today must more positively oppose some of the basic conceptions which most conservatives share with the socialists

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In this essay Hayek is using the classical meaning of the word liberal, what now most often is referred to as libertarian. His use of the word sociakists is now referred to as liberal in the US. The socialists stole an honorable word and defiled it.

[builder]

The opposite of liberalism is conservatism, dumbass. Like I said before, stick to subjects you know something about.

 

But how shall I learn, without asking questions, Headmaster?

[builder]

Ya better get a Republican to answer that one. IMO, the last rational Republican was Barry Goldwater. The mental disorder is clearly contagious. There is some hope the Republicans can recover. The Democrats chose to lead us down the road to serfdom long ago.

 

 

And the last rational Republican is gone. What now?

 

Blaming the last party for a car you're currently steering is a classic buck-pass.

[hugo]

And the last rational Republican is gone. What now?

 

Blaming the last party for a car you're currently steering is a classic buck-pass.

 

In a close race the Republican is the lesser nut, otherwise there are two less government parties the Libertarian and Constitution parties. A vote for either is a vote against following the path to serfdom. The LP is socially liberal the CP socially conservative.

 

Actually, there are a few logical Republicans, just not major players for President. The last hope for the Republican Party to return to the principles of Goldwater; http://tx.rlc.org