What Behavior Denotes Poor Debating Skills?

[builder]

I'm a Republican conservative democratic liberal pinko dropout loser pothead. Worx fer me.

 

That explains everything.

 

Thanks for the extrapolation.

[Jhony5]

That explains everything.

 

Thanks for the extrapolation.

Just wanted to clear everything up fo y'all.

[eisanbt]

I'd label Johny in particular as "Joe Public". His grasp of the common white American man's plight in life beyond dismissal.

[Jhony5]

I'd label Johny in particular as "Joe Public". His grasp of the common white American man's plight in life beyond dismissal.

Please elaborate. The label of "Joe Public" is terribly ambiguous. I think you suggested that I suffer from a disconnect with my own demographic. However from my communications with many of the white men on this board, I feel quite the opposite. Often times people that utilize these forums exert far to much energy trying to be something they aren't.

[eisanbt]

Das aren't none what a said ya miserable snapper. I just meant that, in my opinion, that you represent best the interests and general opinion of "Your own demographic". You have the grit to aptly demonstrate these views in a respectable way which is, by choice, beyond the temperament of many who share our lot in life; material, general experience and social bearing.

Ist but onie da 'servations of a 'umble lad.

[Phantom]

Is English your first language, Eisanbt?

[Jhony5]

Humble I is. Not much choice otherwise.

[eisanbt]

Is English your first language, Eisanbt?

 

Ay, tis the one witch me ma' sung a me in de cradle an' the one which the local Mary's sing when were drank after a few jars. It is certainly beyond me why you and Kathy are less than capable of understanding what I post, though I have often thought of my type style to be a bit of an idiot filter, not that I

[smutt butt]

I don't debate, I just speak my mind.

[Phantom]

Ay, tis the one witch me ma' sung a me in de cradle an' the one which the local Mary's sing when were drank after a few jars. It is certainly beyond me why you and Kathy are less than capable of understanding what I post, though I have often thought of my type style to be a bit of an idiot filter, not that I

[Hamza123]

Amazing how the fool thinks everyone who disagrees with his Muslims are all saints crap he labels Republican conservative. I am actually a libertarian ( I prefer the term classical liberal) Libertarian.

 

News for you, Hamza. Every administration, both conservative and liberal, have supported Israel since it's inception. Another news flash for you. The neo-con philosophy is nothing more than an extension of liberal Wilsonian foreign policy.

 

This is one sign of a poor debater:

 

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Actually, Liberals don't support Israel, why? Because they don't mix religion with politics... 99% of Republicans are Christian, who support Israel because "they are the chosen people", even though the Jews believe that only they will go to heaven... Thats fucked.

 

I have never seen Conservative repsect for Muslims or Islam, even in the upstanding Muslims in the United States. It's a matter of supporting the president no-matter right? You think it's all cool to do that... You trade humanity for patriotism...

[Jhony5]

Does this Muslim bullshit have to leak into every fucking discussion you visit on this forum? Get over your hang-up brother. We should have a forum on this board where its taboo, forbidden, to even fucking mention Palestine, Muslims, even a whisper of Islam.

[hugo]

Actually, Liberals don't support Israel, why? Because they don't mix religion with politics... 99% of Republicans are Christian, who support Israel because "they are the chosen people", even though the Jews believe that only they will go to heaven... Thats fucked.

 

I have never seen Conservative repsect for Muslims or Islam, even in the upstanding Muslims in the United States. It's a matter of supporting the president no-matter right? You think it's all cool to do that... You trade humanity for patriotism...

 

It is the Muslims who have no respect for humanity. Infidels (people who ain't Muslim) got no rights under sharia law. I did not see Bill Clinton cutting off aid to Israel. Liberal sentiments for the scumbag Arabs goes back to the Nasser era and the Cold War. Rational individuals support of Israel goes back to the same era. It has next to nothing to do with religion. Hamza is projecting his own insane bias due to his religious beliefs on others. A common, but stupid, debate tactic.

 

Hamza's phone number 1 800 545 5539 just dial 1-800-KILLJEW

 

Once again folks Israel has recieved bi-partisan support since its inception in 1948. Saying things that just ain't true and labeling evey argument that disagrees with your own is poor debate tactics.

[Phantom]

I don't debate, I just speak my mind.

 

As in stating your opinion once then leaving the discussion or by engaing in a discussion only to share your views without the intention of sway other opinions?

 

Because this forum is populated mainly by adults, most members are already set in their ways. I agree it is pretty pointless to waste one's energy in an attempt to get on a soap box and try to change the world from an online forum. Much more fun and a lot let stressful to take it for what it is.

[Hamza123]

Does this Muslim bullshit have to leak into every fucking discussion you visit on this forum? Get over your hang-up brother. We should have a forum on this board where its taboo, forbidden, to even fucking mention Palestine, Muslims, even a whisper of Islam.

 

Hey bitch, don't fuck around.... Read...

 

Amazing how the fool thinks everyone who disagrees with his Muslims are all saints crap he labels Republican conservative. I am actually a libertarian ( I prefer the term classical liberal) Libertarian.

 

News for you, Hamza. Every administration, both conservative and liberal, have supported Israel since it's inception. Another news flash for you. The neo-con philosophy is nothing more than an extension of liberal Wilsonian foreign policy.

 

This is one sign of a poor debater:

 

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[Hamza123]

It is the Muslims who have no respect for humanity. Infidels (people who ain't Muslim) got no rights under sharia law. I did not see Bill Clinton cutting off aid to Israel.

 

And look at what Israel does, murder masses. Be proud of that... Fucking fake ass christian.

 

 

QUOTE=hugo]Hamza's phone number 1 800 545 5539 just dial 1-800-KILLJEW

 

Kill jew? Nah. We're cousins. And that burns you inside! Just because you have no relation to them, other than the fact you think they're chosen.

 

Hugo's phone number 1-800-SUKBUSH EXT. # 286 (CUM)

 

Once again folks Israel has recieved bi-partisan support since its inception in 1948. Saying things that just ain't true and labeling evey argument that disagrees with your own is poor debate tactics.

 

You have never disproved any of my Islamic Sources? You just say shit about Islam with nothing to prove!! Shut the fuck up and stop snitchin', stop lyin'.

 

The U.S. has given

$14 million a day to

Israel for 25 years.

BYMAX ELBAUM AND HANY KHALIL

WAR TIMES NEWSPAPER

http://WWW.WAR-TIMES.ORG

More than 1,600 people—at least

1,287 Palestinians and 351

Israelis—have been killed in the 18

months since the second i n t i f a d a

(uprising) began against Israel’s occupation

of the Palestinian territories

of the West Bank and Gaza.

The death toll is mounting daily as

Israel’s powerful military has launched

a major new offensive. Justifying the

invasion, Israeli Internal Security

Minister Uzi Landau declared “We’re

not facing human beings, but rather

beasts.”

Even before this latest escalation,

U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan

called for an end to Palestinian suicide

bombings, and condemned Israel for

conducting “an all-out conventional

war on Palestinian civilians.”

Annan told Israel’s leaders: “You

must end the illegal occupation. More

urgently, you must stop the bombing of

civilian areas, the assassinations, the

unnecessary use of lethal force, the

demolitions and the daily humiliation

of ordinary Palestinians.”

U.S. BACKS OCCUPATION

The current carnage stems directly

from Israel’s illegal occupation

of Palestinian land and its dispossession

of the Palestinian people.

Washington’s support of Israel’s daily

violation of Palestinian rights and

international law is a central cause of

the intense anger at U.S. foreign policy

that exists throughout the Middle East

and South Asia. This anger is the

soil in which terrorism grows.

The Bush administration has given

the green light to Israel’s escalation as

part of his global “war on terrorism”

and the U.S. bid to dominate the Middle

East. The U.S. finances the occupation

of Palestine by Israel’s ultra-modern

m i l i t a r y. Every year for the past 25

years, the U.S. government has provided

Israel with approximately $2 billion

in military aid and more than $3 billion

in economic assistance, loan guarantees

and indirect funding. (See box.)

Israel uses U.S. aid to destroy the

Palestinian economy and its social

infrastructure, making even ordinary

life miserable. Palestinian unemployment

has soared to 70 percent.

Most of the recent killing and

destruction has taken place in the West

Bank and Gaza, territories conquered

(along with East Jerusalem) by Israel

in the 1967 war. U.N. Resolution

242—which the U.S. voted for—holds

that continued occupation of these territories

is illegal. That Resolution proclaims

the “inadmissibility of the

acquisition of territory by war.”

But Israel refuses to end its occupation.

Instead, since 1967, it has built

more than 150 settlements, populated

by almost 400,000 Jews, on Palestinian

land. These settlements are strategically

located military outposts connected by fourlane

highways that slice up the West Bank.

This pattern of Palestinian dispossession

goes back to Israel’s founding

and even before. (See “A P e o p l e

Displaced.”) During the first Israeli-

Arab war in 1948, 750,000

Palestinians were driven or frightened

from their centuries-old homes and

lands. Though U.N. Resolution 194,

passed in 1948, orders that these

refugees be allowed to return to their

homes, Israel has refused to comply

for the last 53 years. Despite voting

for this Resolution, the U.S. provides

the money and political muscle

that allows Israel’s refusal to stand.

Is there a way to stop the deadly

cycle of Israeli invasion and

Palestinian suicide bombing? Marwan

B a rghouti, a top official in Ya s s e r

Arafat’s Fatah movement, wrote in the

Washington Post on January 16:

“For six years I languished as a political

prisoner in an Israeli jail, where I

continued

War on Terrorism or

Illegal Occupation?

was tortured, where I hung blindfolded

as an Israeli beat my genitals with a

stick. But since 1994, when I believed

Israel was serious about ending its

occupation, I have been a tireless

advocate of peace...I still seek peaceful

coexistence between the equal and

independent countries of Israel and

Palestine based on full withdrawal

from Palestinian territories occupied in

1967 and a just resolution to the plight

of Palestinian refugees pursuant to

U.N. resolutions. I do not seek to

destroy Israel but only to end its occupation

of my country.”

This information sheet is

reprinted from War Times,

a free national newspaper

opposed to Bush's wars at home

and abroad. Contact War Times

at http://www.war-times.org or email

us at wartimes@attbi.com.

War on Terrorism…

A People Dispossessed

1900: The population of historical Palestine—what is now Israel, the

West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem—is 550,000 Palestinian Arabs and

50,000 Jews.

1946: Due mainly to settlers from Europe, site of the Holocaust, the

Jewish population grows more than tenfold to 608,000. The Palestinian

population stands at 1,269,000. Jews own only six to eight percent of the

country’s land.

1948: Israel declares independence and conquers 78 percent of Palestine

in a victorious war against its neighbors. Driving 750,000 Palestinians from

their homes and confiscating most of their land reduce the Palestinian population

within Israel’s borders to 156,000. The Jewish population expands

to 716,700. An additional 750,000 Palestinians live in the West Bank, Gaza

and East Jerusalem, while many uprooted Palestinian refugees flee to

neighboring Arab countries.

1967: Israel initiates war against its neighbors and occupies the remaining

22 percent of Palestine, bringing another 1.1 million Palestinians

directly under Israeli military rule.

2002: Israel’s Jewish population is approximately 5.2 million. Approximately

1.3 million non-Jews, overwhelmingly Palestinians, also live within

Israel’s borders and face legalized discrimination. Another two million

Palestinians live in the territories conquered by Israel in the 1967 war—the

West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. In 1967 less than 10,000 Jews lived

in these occupied territories, but now close to 400,000 Jews have seized

close to 10 percent of the land.

—ME/HK

(S o u rc e s: “Palestine’s Population During the Ottoman and the British

Mandate Periods,” by Justin McCarthy, www. m i d e a s t w e b . o rg / P a l P o p . h t m ,

w w w. f m e p . o rg/reports/ and Norman G. Finkelstein, “Image and Reality of

the Palestine Conflict” 2001, pp.186-187.)

Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. financial aid in

the world, receiving a staggering $14 million per day for

the last 25 years.

Direct U.S . aid to Israel routinely has amounted to

around $3 billion each year (usually 60 percent military

and 40 percent economic) for the last quarter century.

Israel usually gets another two to three billion dollars in

indirect U.S. aid, such as loan guarantees and special

grants. These funds have subsidized Israel’s huge military

and its use of the most modern military equipment

against the Palestinians and other Arabs.

Between 1949 and 2001 the U.S. gave Israel more

than $94 bi ll ion, according to t he American-I s ra e l i

Cooperative Enterprise. This is more than the U.S. gave

to the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America

and the Caribbean combined. These countries have a

total population of over one billion mostly poor people.

Israel has only six million people and one of the highest

per capita incomes in the world.

—ME/HK

(Sources: http://www.palestinemonitor.org and http://www.sustaincampaign.

org.)

U.S. Funds Israeli Occupation

 

Theres no more point for me to argue about Islam on here. You can create your topics and lounge in them with your hate towards a faith and it's people. You can lavishly enjoy watching your nations investment in the backwards humanity of a whole Eastern Civilization for the purposes of money, greed, and power over country... You can enjoy your gungho wars covered with the blood of millions of people. Matter of fact, take it to the grave with you... Than we can see how God, Allah, the Budha, El Yelweh, or anyone else you may believe in. The time to decide when too many Iraqis, Palestinians, Americans... Humans... have died is in your hands...

[eisanbt]

I would like to take this oppertunity to suggest that people lay the fuck off of Hamza about Islam so that, like anybody else here, he can debate the topics of his choosing. Anytime he enters into any thread he is forced into defending his faith, the same argument over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and goddammit, just let the kid share his mind........

[Jhony5]

In all fairness, he came into this thread that had remained pretty much on topic until he started labeling people as republican for no particular reason. Thus the ensuing volley of political rhetoric which WILL always end up in a Muslim rant about how oppressive our esteemed leader is(G.W.).

 

As a reminder, here is my input after the shit started to fly

Does this Muslim bullshit have to leak into every fucking discussion you visit on this forum? Get over your hang-up brother. We should have a forum on this board where its taboo, forbidden, to even fucking mention Palestine, Muslims, even a whisper of Islam.

I too would enjoy a respite from the never ending battle of words involving Islam.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

Some debating pet peeves of mine:

 

1. "You're with us, or against us." People who have such a single-minded POV that if you don't support their cause 100%, they assume that your position must be the exact opposite of their own. No middle ground.

 

2. Stereotypes. Someone gives one position, and then another debater thinks of people they dislike who also hold that position, and make the leap that since you have a particular stance on one issue, you must be conforming to a specific ideology of others who hold similar opinions. Y'know, for instance if you support increased border security, being labelled as a Bill O Reilly clone, or if you're against the war in Iraq, you must be in league with Michael Moore.

 

3. Failure to recognize news bias. I often see people who cite reports from various news organizations and in debates tend to rely on, at times even clearly subjective reporting as fact. I mean, just because one of your sources is biased doesn't mean you should neglect posting it, but cite it as fuel for thought; not something intended to deliver a be-all-end-all decision on an issue.

 

 

 

There are plenty more, but those are off the top of my head.

[builder]

I like your style, TDTF.

 

I like to bat for the opposition, and upset apple carts.

 

It would be of great assistance to debaters if they actually debated as part of their school curriculum.

 

It wasn't like we were given a debate topic that we agreed with, but we had to dig around and unearth info that supported "our" side of the debate.

 

On the "you're with us or against us" issue, this seems to be the reality in the US of A. Too much partisan politics. There seems to be a clear line drawn between two separate groups, when the reality is, you can be a swinging voter.

 

I can't believe that people actually register themselves as being dem or repug.

 

What a fucking joke.

 

If the skipper of the ship turns pirate, are you gonna go down with his ship?

[snafu]

I like your style, TDTF.

 

I like to bat for the opposition, and upset apple carts.

 

It would be of great assistance to debaters if they actually debated as part of their school curriculum.

 

It wasn't like we were given a debate topic that we agreed with, but we had to dig around and unearth info that supported "our" side of the debate.

 

On the "you're with us or against us" issue, this seems to be the reality in the US of A. Too much partisan politics. There seems to be a clear line drawn between two separate groups, when the reality is, you can be a swinging voter.

 

I can't believe that people actually register themselves as being dem or repug.

 

What a fucking joke.

 

If the skipper of the ship turns pirate, are you gonna go down with his ship?

 

Oh wise one, please explain your one party Ozy fest....

[builder]

Oh wise one, please explain your one party Ozy fest....

 

 

Let's see now. Labor, Liberal, Greens, Democrats, One Nation, National party, Family First, and shitloads of independents.

 

How'd I do, snafu?

[Hamza123]

In all fairness, he came into this thread that had remained pretty much on topic until he started labeling people as republican for no particular reason. Thus the ensuing volley of political rhetoric which WILL always end up in a Muslim rant about how oppressive our esteemed leader is(G.W.).

 

As a reminder, here is my input after the shit started to flyI too would enjoy a respite from the never ending battle of words involving Islam.

 

You stated that you hate when Islam gets involved in other debates which is something I agree with you, AND, now you claim I begin to label people. Why do you first say that I bring Islam into this? What does felching and republicans have anything to do with Islam?

 

Honestly, you've seen it done before and it's going to happen again, I pretty much can't post on here anymore without defending Islam or my beliefs or whatever so fuck it.

[snafu]

Let's see now. Labor, Liberal, Greens, Democrats, One Nation, National party, Family First, and shitloads of independents.

 

How'd I do, snafu?

 

Okay I think I see your point. Your saying that we should have more than two?

We do have independent and green but they will never make it to power. Their ideals are to obscure. Just because I vote Republican doesnt mean I have to agree or vote on the issues and bills the bring to the table. It just happens that the Republican party has the right ideas.

[builder]

Okay I think I see your point. Your saying that we should have more than two?

We do have independent and green but they will never make it to power. Their ideals are to obscure. Just because I vote Republican doesnt mean I have to agree or vote on the issues and bills the bring to the table. It just happens that the Republican party has the right ideas.

 

I'm hearing nothing but bad things about the repugs, but meh, it's election time.

 

Can you guess which of the parties I listed are the mirror image of your republican party?