Saddam Sentenced to Death By Hanging

[Phantom]

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It has just been announced Saddam has been sentenced to death by hanging for crimes against humanity.

 

Do you feel this verdict is fair? Was this trial based on propaganda? Is he a victim of the media or does he fully deserve his fate?

[builder]

It's election propaganda.

 

Shrubbite grandstanding.

 

The guy wants a firing squad.

 

Let him have his dying wish.

[Jhony5]

It's election propaganda.

 

Shrubbite grandstanding.

 

The guy wants a firing squad.

 

Let him have his dying wish.

Oh for fucking christ sakes man. Does everything that occurs pre-election HAVE to be a conspired effort by parties which intend to influence the vote?

 

 

Why extend the favor of a dying wish to a man that killed countless innocents without so much as a good reason? Hanging from the gallows is an undignified way to kill an undignified man.

[Phantom]

The guy wants a firing squad.

 

Let him have his dying wish.

 

Unless he allowed his victims to choose their own method of murder, he is SOL.

[builder]

Oh for fucking christ sakes man. Does everything that occurs pre-election HAVE to be a conspired effort by parties which intend to influence the vote?

 

Yes, redneck. Wake up and smell the roses.

 

Why extend the favor of a dying wish to a man that killed countless innocents without so much as a good reason? Hanging from the gallows is an undignified way to kill an undignified man.

 

Maybe because his ascension to the throne of Iraq was masterminded by the US CIA, and when he gassed the Kurds, it was US military ordinance he was using.

 

Hanging from the gallows apparently produces the ultimate orgasm. Pity you only get one go at it.

[Jhony5]

Posted by Builder:

Yes, redneck. Wake up and smell the roses.

I do not care for the smell of roses.

 

masterminded by the US CIA

Tom Clancy ain't got nuttin on you. Are you sure you not a political intrigue novelist in your spare time?

 

Hanging from the gallows apparently produces the ultimate orgasm. Pity you only get one go at it.

 

Any orgasm that includes loss of bowl control is an orgasm I can do without. Talk about coming and going at the same time.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

Ummm ... The fact that the US was on good terms with Saddam, and in fact gave him weapons before he invaded Kuwait is common knowledge. The US didn't neccessarily approve of him killing the Kurds, but they sure as hell didn't protest it very loudly. The fact that Iraq represented a regime in the Middle East not run by a religious fanatic outweighed the fact that he was a homicidal maniac -- at least until he invaded Kuwait.

 

Personally, I think firing squad would be best. He's going to die either way. I'd prefer a more humane method. As far as if he deserves hanging in a 'Code of Hamurabi' style of justice, sure. But ... If the West uses the same tactics as the "outlaw regimes" we're theoretically opposed to, what's the difference between them and us?

 

Either way, I won't be shedding any tears over this.

[Jhony5]

If the West uses the same tactics as the "outlaw regimes" we're theoretically opposed to, what's the difference between them and us?

Its by way of Iraqi law. How bitterly ironic huh?

[Lethalfind]

However he is put down, he should be put too death...should he have his choice, I doubt he was THAT compassionate to his own people he killed. I vote for whatever would be the most painful and emotionally disturbing, I think it should involve pigs...like kill some pigs, skin them, wrap Saddam in their skin and let him sit in pig shit while he starves too death.

 

Do I think the Bush administration is using this whole circus as a campaign commercial, of course they are...

 

What is the meaning of politics?

 

Poly means many, tics are blood sucking insects...Kinky Friedman, Texas Independent for Governer.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

Its by way of Iraqi law. How bitterly ironic huh?

 

 

Indeed. Though the current Iraq is more or less a US puppet at the moment. But there is a "live by the sword, die by the sword" aspect to it.

[Hamza123]

This is another media-op for the Bush Admin...

 

This is being blown up... Hes not Osama after all right? Wow...

[Jhony5]

The way things are going as it is now in Iraq, it leaves one with the impression that the only way to rule Iraq with any semblance of order is by way of an iron fist. A bloody cruel dictator for a bloody and cruel people. Democracy only works among a civil population. At least with Sadaam in power the bloodshed had an orderly fashion in its execution (no pun intended).

[Hamza123]

The way things are going as it is now in Iraq, it leaves one with the impression that the only way to rule Iraq with any semblance of order is by way of an iron fist. A bloody cruel dictator for a bloody and cruel people. Democracy only works among a civil population. At least with Sadaam in power the bloodshed had an orderly fashion in its execution (no pun intended).

 

Theres that fucking snotty American atitude... I don't see the Iraqis occupying another country!! Like fuck, Saddam killed Iraqis, not Iraqis killing Iraqis, now that the US is OCCUPYING Iraq, Iraqis are killing Iraqis and the US is killing Iraqis.

 

Whats so democratic about going into another country without the support of half of your country and tricking the other half just for Oil... If Saddam is such a bad guy than Saddam should be able to smoke Bush in the face than get executed...

[hugo]

It looks like someone is sad that his fellow humane Sunni is in a bit of hot water. We occupied Japan for 8 years. I hear few complaints about the outcome of that.

[Jhony5]

Theres that fucking snotty American atitude... I don't see the Iraqis occupying another country!!

I DID. In 1990. Until they got their oppresive asses punted back a few hundred yards, aye?

 

Like fuck, Saddam killed Iraqis, not Iraqis killing Iraqis, now that the US is OCCUPYING Iraq, Iraqis are killing Iraqis and the US is killing Iraqis.

Either way Iraqis are kinda fucked, huh?

 

If Saddam is such a bad guy than Saddam should be able to smoke Bush in the face than get executed...

Your extreme disposition is noted.

[Hamza123]

It looks like someone is sad that his fellow humane Sunni is in a bit of hot water. We occupied Japan for 8 years. I hear few complaints about the outcome of that.

 

 

You've done the same for 3, look at all the complaints...

 

And that was than, this is now. The now where the truth is NOT hidden from the general publics eyes.

[RoyalOrleans]

Theres that fucking snotty American atitude... I don't see the Iraqis occupying another country!!

 

I most certainly did, I was there, and they'd pushed further if it wasn't for the U.S. Armed Forces stepping in and pushing them back. If we are snotty, it's for just cause.

[Jhony5]

Ya...that comment about the Iraqis wasn't very well thought out, now was it?

When you consider the Iraqi occupation of the sovereign nation of Kuwait was the spark that started this whole mess.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

The way things are going as it is now in Iraq, it leaves one with the impression that the only way to rule Iraq with any semblance of order is by way of an iron fist. A bloody cruel dictator for a bloody and cruel people. Democracy only works among a civil population. At least with Sadaam in power the bloodshed had an orderly fashion in its execution (no pun intended).

 

 

I agree with your general message, but not your usage of the word "democracy" as a black-and-white concept. There is not a single truly democratic civilization on this planet. "Freedom" is a matter of degree, of which the US is not either the best or the worst. As George Orwell put it:

 

 

"It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. "

[TooDrunkToFuck]

It looks like someone is sad that his fellow humane Sunni is in a bit of hot water. We occupied Japan for 8 years. I hear few complaints about the outcome of that.

 

Right -- most complaints about that revolve around the unneccessary use of the atomic bomb, so that we could ensure an unconditional surrender (thus the removal of their emperor) in the first place.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

You've done the same for 3, look at all the complaints...

 

And that was than, this is now. The now where the truth is NOT hidden from the general publics eyes.

 

 

You can't possibly be serious with that latter comment. The only real difference now is that there are things like the internet to spread info around faster. The 30's, 40's, and 50's featured figures like George Orwell, Alduous Huxley, and Edward R. Murrow, who were far greater spreaders of the truth than virtually anyone alive today. Thing is, propaganda far outweighed voices of reason, and people were too lazy to dig deeper than choosing which popular peice of propaganda sounded the catchiest to them. Same thing happens today.

[Phantom]

Right -- most complaints about that revolve around the unneccessary use of the atomic bomb, so that we could ensure an unconditional surrender (thus the removal of their emperor) in the first place.

 

If it ensured an unconditional surrender, served as retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack, and removed their emperor, it doesn't sound all that unnecessary. War is war. If you don't want the heat, stay out of the way. The atomic bomb was not an unprovoked attack, in the strongest sense. Civilians died and that is always tragic. Unfortunately, it is also war.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

If it ensured an unconditional surrender, served as retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack, and removed their emperor, it doesn't sound all that unnecessary. War is war. If you don't want the heat, stay out of the way. The atomic bomb was not an unprovoked attack. Civilians died and that is always tragic. Unfortunately, it is also war. Just my take on the matter.

 

 

We already had them on the verge of surrendering, on the condition that they could keep their emperor. Truman didn't want any of that. The only possible way you can claim it was neccessary is in the sense of The Cold War, in preventing the Soviets from gaining control of Japan. Arguably, if that happened, we'd have been SOL. However, in the context of ending WW2 itself, it was far from neccessary. Especially given we didn't hit anything close to a true military target. IIRC, Hiroshima was close to 90% civilians.

[hugo]

The Japanese were not close to surrendering. The Japanese military was prepared to stage a coup if needed. More civilians were killed in Okinawa than in Hiroshima. Without deploying the bomb there would have been more Japanese casualties and and it goes without speaking more American casualties. Ignore TDTF's revisionist history. There were 228,000 estimated casualties at Okinawa.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

The Japanese were not close to surrendering. The Japanese military was prepared to stage a coup if needed. More civilians were killed in Okinawa than in Hiroshima. Without deploying the bomb there would have been more Japanese casualties and and it goes without speaking more American casualties. Ignore TDTF's revisionist history. There were 228,000 estimated casualties at Okinawa.

 

 

 

 

 

Eisenhower himself said this:

 

During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. . . . [THE DECISION, p. 4.]

 

Here's one link that carries the quote:

http://www.doug-long.com/ga1.htm

 

 

As for the Japanese coup, that was a bunch of rebels who were refusing the emperor's own orders. You conveniently leave out the fact that they staged the coup because the emperor was about to surrender. They were fanatics, and they failed. Japan was ready to surrender. The only thing keeping them from doing so was hope for Soviet support, which did not come through. We could've easily held off any more violence, and waited for them to surrender. It's possible that we wouldn't have gotten that unconditional surrender, but we would've gotten a surrender. They just wanted to keep their previous emperor and way of life.

 

 

Your sheer degree of nationalism is disturbing.