Middle East hot potatoe.

[builder]

Check >>this link<<, for a historical view of the rulers of the ME.

[Phantom]

Alright, I watched the entire video. Very interesting to see it laid out for us like that but what would you like to debate?

[builder]

I think the obvious one is Israel.

 

But for those ingracious souls who assume that whites ruled Europe forever, it's a kick in the nuts to see the truth.

[Phantom]

Ah, I see what you are saying. Yes, I too watched Israel the closest while watching the video. I was familiar with all of the different occupations, save two. Never even heard of those empires. Also didn't know the Ottomans' reign lasted until as recently as it did. Guess you learn something new every day.

[Msixty]

Israel got Jew'd lol

 

well, that's history for you, one empire then another and another and another, it will keep on going, but the question is, who will take our place?

 

(there's something to debate)

[Phantom]

well, that's history for you, one empire then another and another and another, it will keep on going, but the question is, who will take our place?

 

I'm guessing the European Union. And Isreal should have been "Jew'd." It was theirs to begin with.

[Jhony5]

Israel got Jew'd lol

 

well, that's history for you, one empire then another and another and another, it will keep on going, but the question is, who will take our place?

 

(there's something to debate)

By we, I guess you mean America. Our land will never be overtaken by an invading empire. Not in 50 years, not in 500. Once a nation assumes a certain amount of power, there is no taking it. Not by conventional means at least. It will take the dooming of the Earth itself to cause our infrastructure to fail.

I see the hominid known as homo-sapien as being in its twilight centuries. Our trademark large brain separated us from our previous variations. Giving us the ability to invent technology that will, quite ironically, be the end of our kind. After several more decades go by, the technology to create devastating nuclear weaponry will be so elementary that every loose cannon faction on Earth will be able to implement it.

 

I see this issue of nuclear proliferation as the eventual downfall of the United States. Eventually the end of all people.

 

America gets a lot of shit for its policing of the Earth. Well the question must be asked. Doesn't someone have to do this? Honestly, its an ugly business, but what would become of the world without a leading power, that isn't oppressive? If WWI and WWII had gone the other way, our world would still be witnessing this game of "musical chairs" played by conquering empires.

[hugo]

I don't see nuclear weapons as capable of wiping out more than about 98% of humanity. A biological weapon could wipe out 100%.

[Msixty]

By we, I guess you mean America. Our land will never be overtaken by an invading empire. Not in 50 years, not in 500. Once a nation assumes a certain amount of power, there is no taking it. Not by conventional means at least. It will take the dooming of the Earth itself to cause our infrastructure to fail.

I see the hominid known as homo-sapien as being in its twilight centuries. Our trademark large brain separated us from our previous variations. Giving us the ability to invent technology that will, quite ironically, be the end of our kind. After several more decades go by, the technology to create devastating nuclear weaponry will be so elementary that every loose cannon faction on Earth will be able to implement it.

 

I see this issue of nuclear proliferation as the eventual downfall of the United States. Eventually the end of all people.

 

America gets a lot of shit for its policing of the Earth. Well the question must be asked. Doesn't someone have to do this? Honestly, its an ugly business, but what would become of the world without a leading power, that isn't oppressive? If WWI and WWII had gone the other way, our world would still be witnessing this game of "musical chairs" played by conquering empires.

 

that's what rome thought lol.

[Jhony5]

that's what rome thought lol.

Well I understand your sentiment. But Rome didn't have the ability to evaporate thousands of square miles with the push of a button. As a mtter of fact, they didn't even have a button of any kind. The button hadn't been invented yet.

 

Yes America could fall victim to nuclear devastation. But not without a substantial counterstrike. America has gained so much power at this point, that its hard to create a scenario in which we could be overthrown without the Earth itself being victimized, as well as our species.

 

This was all set in motion when we learned split the atom. Thus setting into motion the Doomsday Clock

 

Chicago, February 27, 2002: Today, the Board of Directors of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moves the minute hand of the "Doomsday Clock," the symbol of nuclear danger, from nine to seven minutes to midnight, the same setting at which the clock debuted 55 years ago. Since the end of the Cold War in 1991, this is the third time the hand has moved forward.

 

We move the hands taking into account both negative and positive developments. The negative developments include too little progress on global nuclear disarmament; growing concerns about the security of nuclear weapons materials worldwide; the continuing U.S. preference for unilateral action rather than cooperative international diplomacy; U.S. abandonment of the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty and U.S. efforts to thwart the enactment of international agreements designed to constrain proliferation of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons; the crisis between India and Pakistan; terrorist efforts to acquire and use nuclear and biological weapons; and the growing inequality between rich and poor around the world that increases the potential for violence and war. If it were not for the positive changes highlighted later in this statement, the hands of the clock might have moved closer still.

 

[Phantom]

You misspelled potato, by the way.

[builder]

You misspelled potato, by the way.

 

 

Yeah, we just call them spuds.

[Msixty]

Rome had the equivalent of the nuke in their day. They had weapons that could eradicate hoards of troops in a volley, and the armor they wore could stop the very same bolt that did such damage. They had weapons that couldn't be turned against them, and they also had wartime technology like no other people of the time. They had computers, and ships of power, they stole technology from entire races of people, then committed genocide and rendered them the only ones with the power. They stopped at nothing, and had the greatest cities the world had ever seen. They had advanced forms of government that they spread to the world.

 

And they were completely eradicated.

 

 

 

We must take a lesson from history, for history has a habit of repeating itself. Rome died off because it became too confident in it's power, we cannot afford to do the same.

 

 

 

 

 

(ya know, just say'n )

[builder]

The Roman's fave ploy was to simple starve the enemy out. Surround them, cut off their supply chain, poison their water supply, and wait.

[Msixty]

The Roman's fave ploy was to simple starve the enemy out. Surround them, cut off their supply chain, poison their water supply, and wait.

 

Yep, but in a battle on open terrain the Romans had incredible power as well.

 

After all, how do you think they got the enemy to hide in the fortifications and cities to be surrounded in the first place?

[builder]

Yep, but in a battle on open terrain the Romans had incredible power as well.

 

After all, how do you think they got the enemy to hide in the fortifications and cities to be surrounded in the first place?

 

I've read many tomes on Roman war tactics. I'd recommend "Fortune's Favourites" by Colleen McCullough.

 

Rome's downfall actually started when their own war chiefs tried their hand at political coups with military overthrow.

[Phantom]

The Roman's fave ploy was to simple starve the enemy out. Surround them, cut off their supply chain, poison their water supply, and wait.

 

There was a documentary on just the other day about this tactic. Er... Masada (I think?)- some Jewish fortress. The Romans blocked them off so the Jews barricaded themselves in. Once the Romans started building a bridge to penetrate the fortress, the Jews killed themselves. Sad, but an interesting strategy.

[builder]

There was a documentary on just the other day about this tactic. Er... Masada (I think?)- some Jewish fortress. The Romans blocked them off so the Jews barricaded themselves in. Once the Romans started building a bridge to penetrate the fortress, the Jews killed themselves. Sad, but an interesting strategy.

 

These days, we use trade sanctions.

[Msixty]

Rome's downfall actually started when their own war chiefs tried their hand at political coups with military overthrow.

 

lol, sounds like a democrat political campaign of today, but they're not war chiefs, just chief idiots.

[Msixty]

These days, we use trade sanctions.

 

and they don't work for shit lol

[hugo]

Yeah, we just call them spuds.

 

Sure ya ain't Dan Quayle?

[builder]

Sure ya ain't Dan Quayle?

 

 

I had to look it up and check.

 

 

Dan Quayle said:

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

 

More here.