animal testing

[xpaintballvixenx]

Im doing a research/persuasive essay on animal testing.

 

Im against it. and i'd just like to know everyones opinions. especially if you are for it, so i can know what to expect when people read my essay.

 

thanks!

[Solid Snake]

I'm fot it...It's better then testing on humans. They can put a animal down....But when you screw up a human it's not so easily fixed...

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

I'm fot it...It's better then testing on humans. They can put a animal down....But when you screw up a human it's not so easily fixed...

 

Fuck that humans diserve to die. Why do we think we can just take the life of an animal and put it though the pain of testing if we wouldn't for a human? Why not test on a rejected small child or baby or an elderly person? If they are screwed up by the testing it wouldn't hurt anyone. And that way the testing would be more acurate too.

 

They can put a animal down....

 

This statement makes me sick. Why are animals so willingly put down and it isn't called inhumane? But when it happens to a human, like in euthinasia, etc is it? ARRRGGH!

[Enigma]

i'm against it cause i wouldn't like to be treated like that gettting poked and proded all day. it would suck balls being a test animal...

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

i'm against it cause i wouldn't like to be treated like that gettting poked and proded all day. it would suck balls being a test animal...

 

HEY! It's Josh! LOL

[Clogz]

We need it. Its become to much of a cornerstone in science, medicine, and cosmetics to get rid of. I don't think its right under most circumstances, but what can you do? Inject cancer into people and then try and treat it? Try that new AIDS vaccine on a child to watch for any fatal side-effects? See if that new masquere would cause someone to break out in a disfiguring rash? Of course not, so no one should complain about animal cruelty unless they are ready to roll up thier sleeves and try the stuff themselves.

[Enigma]

HEY! It's Josh! LOL

 

Yo? whats doing?

 

i think that in some case's it is ok like in the sake of medicne and stuff but not cosmetic's

[Enigma]

We need it. Its become to much of a cornerstone in science' date=' medicine, and cosmetics to get rid of. I don't think its right under most circumstances, but what can you do? Inject cancer into people and then try and treat it? Try that new AIDS vaccine on a child to watch for any fatal side-effects? See if that new masquere would cause someone to break out in a disfiguring rash? Of course not, so no one should complain about animal cruelty unless they are ready to roll up thier sleeves and try the stuff themselves.[/quote']

 

i would be willing to roll up my sleeves and test shit on me if i was paid and asked to. they aren't asked they don't have a choice..

[Clogz]

Fuck that humans diserve to die. Why do we think we can just take the life of an animal and put it though the pain of testing if we wouldn't for a human? Why not test on a rejected small child or baby or an elderly person? If they are screwed up by the testing it wouldn't hurt anyone. And that way the testing would be more acurate too.

 

Are you some kind of sociopath, or are you just confused. If its such a crime to hurt animals, wouldn't it logically be a greater crime to harm a human being?

 

 

This statement makes me sick. Why are animals so willingly put down and it isn't called inhumane? But when it happens to a human' date=' like in euthinasia, etc is it? ARRRGGH![/quote']

 

Because killing a dog and killing a human are two totally different things. You want moral proof? Look at the courts. Compare the time served for animal cruelty vs. murder.

[Clogz]

i would be willing to roll up my sleeves and test shit on me if i was paid and asked to. they aren't asked they don't have a choice..

 

And I would bet twenty dollars if something went wrong and they couldn't fix it, you would be angry at them for doing it to you.

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

We need it. Its become to much of a cornerstone in science' date=' medicine, and cosmetics to get rid of. I don't think its right under most circumstances, but what can you do? Inject cancer into people and then try and treat it? Try that new AIDS vaccine on a child to watch for any fatal side-effects? See if that new masquere would cause someone to break out in a disfiguring rash? Of course not, so no one should complain about animal cruelty unless they are ready to roll up thier sleeves and try the stuff themselves.[/quote']

 

I am. But, do you think if I actually went to the place and go "Inject me instead" they will. Ofcourse not. Because somehow cruety to humans is intollerable and animal cruelty doesn't have an effect on the scientists.

[Enigma]

And I would bet twenty dollars if something went wrong and they couldn't fix it' date=' you would be angry at them for doing it to you.[/quote']

 

But they would have insuracnce for stuff like that and your right i would be pissed if something went wrong. but it would only take a few fuck up's and they would be more certain before they just go testing it on anything that has a pulse

[Clogz]

I am. But' date=' do you think if I actually went to the place and go "Inject me instead" they will. Ofcourse not. Because somehow cruety to humans is intollerable and animal cruelty doesn't have an effect on the scientists.[/quote']

 

 

Because killing a dog and killing a human are two totally different things. You want moral proof? Look at the courts. Compare the time served for animal cruelty vs. murder. Its not just scientists.

[Clogz]

But they would have insuracnce for stuff like that and your right i would be pissed if something went wrong. but it would only take a few fuck up's and they would be more certain before they just go testing it on anything that has a pulse

 

It would only take a few fuck ups for everyone to come up with this idea and push for it: "Try it on something else first, that way we stop hurting people"

Its logic. In this case, its cruel. But, if mankind really wants cosmetics and medicine, sacrificies must be made.

[Enigma]

Are you some kind of sociopath, or are you just confused. If its such a crime to hurt animals, wouldn't it logically be a greater crime to harm a human being?

 

 

 

 

Because killing a dog and killing a human are two totally different things. You want moral proof? Look at the courts. Compare the time served for animal cruelty vs. murder.

 

 

you got a good point. but it still isn't morally right to do.

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

Are you some kind of sociopath' date=' or are you just confused. If its such a crime to hurt animals, wouldn't it logically be a greater crime to harm a human being?[/quote']

 

How would it be a greater crime? People seem to think that they can take the precious life of something else just, becasue it has a less superior mind. I'm not saying a human isn't precious but, it would be more effective test on a human, as they are finding a cure for human deseses. I'm not a psyshopath or confused, just because we were born superior doesn't mean we have to punish those who arn't.

 

Because killing a dog and killing a human are two totally different things. You want moral proof? Look at the courts. Compare the time served for animal cruelty vs. murder.

 

This just prooves my point that people just care about their own speices more than anything else and will use other species for their own benifit. All the animals tested have a right not to be just as much as any human.

[Clogz]

you got a good point. but it still isn't morally right to do.

 

If those morals involve equal rights for man and animals, then I guess that is correct.

[xpaintballvixenx]

Wow this is good stuff. heres my oppinion.

 

i am absolutley against it. andheres why.

 

1. cruelty. the animals that are being tested on are being testing on in such away it makes me sick to think of. the LD-50 is a test where the expose 100 animals (1 fucking hundred) to a chemical and keepincreasing the amount until 50 of the animals die. then they kill the remaing animals and they are autopsied and analyzed to see why they didnt die.

 

2. accuracy, reletivity, etc. alot of the test we do now are irrelavant and inacurate. we've been trying to transplant animal organs into humans and so far the success rate is ZERO. and alot of the test are also irrelevant. they put metal pipes thru chimpanzee's heads while they are concious to test the effects of stree on the brain during the mentrual cycle.

 

i do however think we need cures for cancer and aids, but hello! stem cell research!! and also i belice we may have lost cures for cancer/aides because they were proven inneffective in mice.

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

Because killing a dog and killing a human are two totally different things. You want moral proof? Look at the courts. Compare the time served for animal cruelty vs. murder. Its not just scientists.

 

Exactly the whole human race feels they are superior and so use it against others who arn't.

[Clogz]

How would it be a greater crime? People seem to think that they can take the precious life of something else just, becasue it has a less superior mind. I'm not saying a human isn't precious but, it would be more effective test on a human, as they are finding a cure for human deseses. I'm not a psyshopath or confused, just because we were born superior doesn't mean we have to punish those who arn't.

 

 

 

This just prooves my point that people just care about their own speices more than anything else and will use other species for their own benifit. All the animals tested have a right not to be just as much as any human.

 

So basically, your belief is that animals should the same rights as humans. Well then, if they ever catch those sharks that tore that suffer in Australia in half, I guess we should refrain from 'babarically' killing them and put them on trail. And when a pitbull kills another infant baby, I'm sure it deserves the right to an attorney.

[Enigma]

if only we were making the big decisions...

[Clogz]

An animal is an animal, it is not like a human being.

[xpaintballvixenx]

So basically' date=' your belief is that animals should the same rights as humans. Well then, if they ever catch those sharks that tore that suffer in Australia in half, I guess we should refrain from 'babarically' killing them and put them on trail. And when a pitbull kills another infant baby, I'm sure it deserves the right to an attorney. [/quote']

 

ok i have to intervene. those 2 examples are the worst examples i have ever heard of.

 

we invade on sharks territory. we were made with lungs for a reason. to live on land and breath air.

 

and i own a pitbull and its the sweetest dog ever. and hes never once attacked my younger sister, or me, or my family. as a matter of fact, my cat is more evil and mean than the pittbull! and they sleep together! pittbulls that attack are trained to do so. or treated badly. its not in their nature contrary to what everyone belives.

[Enigma]

So basically' date=' your belief is that animals should the same rights as humans. Well then, if they ever catch those sharks that tore that suffer in Australia in half, I guess we should refrain from 'babarically' killing them and put them on trail. And when a pitbull kills another infant baby, I'm sure it deserves the right to an attorney. [/quote']

 

Clogz,

 

hate to ruin your day. but sharks are like bears. once they have tasted human they come back for more... but we are in there territory. we should be the ones that use caution.

[majinkamahl]

I am for it.

Genetic sciences prove things like cloning are possible. Look at "Dolly". Id you tried that firstly on a human, you would have failed.