Israel VS Palestine

[Konspiracy Ken]

More likely because the Palestinians still remember Black September when the Jordanians kicked their ass.

 

Could also be the fact that Jordan is also is a member of one of those funny religions which preach peace and blowing yourself up. Lets face it, if the palestinians are crazy enough to do it, why go to war with someone who is prepared to do it straight back at you?

 

There can only be so many virgins in wherever they go after blowing themselves up. Anyway what happens if they blwo themselves up and their ghost or whatever it is the reeper comes for is still missing its dick? Death is hardly going to wait around whilst you search through the rubble for your best friend

[hugo]

Blowing yourself up is overrated.

[Konspiracy Ken]

personally I've never tried it, but if we can get more of them to do it we may get closer to solving some of the worlds problems. I am quite prepared to rent a field near me to watch muslims blow themselves up. It could be beneficial.

 

They could be used in strip mining for instance.

 

Strip mining is where you removed large sections of earth to gain acces to valuable minerals and resources. It is in no way similar to strip poker.

[fullauto]

personally I've never tried it, but if we can get more of them to do it we may get closer to solving some of the worlds problems. I am quite prepared to rent a field near me to watch muslims blow themselves up. It could be beneficial.

 

They could be used in strip mining for instance.

 

Strip mining is where you removed large sections of earth to gain acces to valuable minerals and resources. It is in no way similar to strip poker.

 

I propose a string of "Day Camps" strategically located in the central USA... with quick rail access, and miles of open land, it is the perfect location for these 'Day Camps'...

 

We can give these "Day Camps" historical names to add to the fun associated with going there, Like 'Treblinka', or maybe 'Stuttgart'...

 

[Msixty]

yes, 'happy camps' where they will get the best medical and food!

 

Blame Canada

[Konspiracy Ken]

I propose a string of "Day Camps" strategically located in the central USA... with quick rail access, and miles of open land, it is the perfect location for these 'Day Camps'...

 

We can give these "Day Camps" historical names to add to the fun associated with going there, Like 'Treblinka', or maybe 'Stuttgart'...

 

 

I would like to ask a very serious question about your post.

If they're going camping will there be showers available?

[Konspiracy Ken]

Sounds expensive!

I bet you have to pay through you teeth to get in there!

[snafu]

It is very expensive you should see the lamp shades.

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Yes and I believe ~Inked~ will be airing an episode there too, giving out free tattoos.

[snafu]

It is very expensive you should see the lamp shades.

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Yes and I believe ~Inked~ will be airing an episode there too. Giving out free tattoos.

[OmegaManiac]

I think the poll is incomplete. where is the " kill em both " category?

I say the best thing for us to do as a peace loving nation is to bomb the fuck out of that place and turn it into a giant chasm to be filled with crude and set aflame. Mother Fuckers have been fighting over the same little strip of useless dirt for a helluva lot longer than 2000 years. It's retarded. We should flaten the fuck out of it, put up a plaque and move on.

[Moko]

I fully support Israel and not because the other side are the spawn of an illegitimate sprog.

 

I really have ZERO sympathy for the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Egyptians, although I believe in tolerance within a multicultural society...Iran needs to be nuked so the world can start over there, and am really neutral on the Iraqis, they are getting an arse kicking as we speak so I don't need to kick em in the nuts (yes I know the coalition of the "willing" aren't exactly winning, but look at the numbers)...I don't agree with the war there, but I support the troops.

 

The story of Israel started WAY before fucking 1880 and the U.N. gave the Jews that piece of land BACK to do what they can with...so assymilate or move the fuck out of the way. I'm actually surprised Israel hasn't OBLITERATED Palestine yet and Israel hasn't invaded anyone unless they were reacting to AN invasion from fucken EVERYONE.

[Moko]

C'mon Builder ya big fucken poof, fight me.

[RoyalOrleans]

Muslims are muslims hither and whither. I hate them. They smell.

 

The Jews of Israel are not the "hey, need help with your W4 and 1099" jews". No! They are the "Hey, can you hold my AK47 while I take a leak" jews. Props to diversity...

 

Fuck sides. What we need is a little solidarity.

[Msixty]

Muslims are muslims hither and whither. I hate them. They smell.

 

The Jews of Israel are not the "hey, need help with your W4 and 1099" jews". No! They are the "Hey, can you hold my AK47 while I take a leak" jews. Props to diversity...

 

Fuck sides. What we need is a little solidarity.

 

 

Israeli defense force (IDF) are some tough mothers, I'd think twice before starting a fight with them.

 

definitely a valuable friend to have in the middle east.

[capslockf9]

Integration is our right.The whole worlrd is ours. "European" people can even move to the "middle-east" if they want. The sin is - moving indigenous from that land. The concept of race is erroneous. There is no jew or arab race. There is Bad Religion.

[RoyalOrleans]

Integration is our right.The whole worlrd is ours. "European" people can even move to the "middle-east" if they want. The sin is - moving indigenous from that land. The concept of race is erroneous. There is no jew or arab race. There is Bad Religion.

 

Bad Religion sucks ass.

[Anna Perenna]

The story of Israel started WAY before fucking 1880 and the U.N. gave the Jews that piece of land BACK to do what they can with...so assymilate or move the fuck out of the way. I'm actually surprised Israel hasn't OBLITERATED Palestine yet and Israel hasn't invaded anyone unless they were reacting to AN invasion from fucken EVERYONE.

 

The history of the state of Israel, as we now know it, did begin in the 1880's.

 

And Israel has obliterated Palestine.

 

As for Israel being a purely defensive force - you can't be serious?

[Phantom]

And Israel has obliterated Palestine.

 

How in the world do you come to that conclusion? Muslim Arabs outnumber Israelites by a thousand to one. Israel is also only a sliver of land compared to the massive Arab countries.

[Moko]

The history of the state of Israel, as we now know it, did begin in the 1880's.

 

You said

 

If you consider the history of the state of Israel:

 

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1880: Zionists start to settle in Palestine when it is under Ottoman rule

 

You didn't say "as we know it" in the original post.

 

when the ancient Children of Israel left Ancient Egypt, and went on to conquer the lands of the Canaanites, they eventually established the united Kingdom of Israel מלכות ישראל (Malchut Yisrael) and lived there as the "Nation of Israel" (Am Yisrael) עם ישראל .

 

Thus the physical areas and boundaries of the Kingdom of Israel (מלכות ישראל) monarchy that were inhabited by the Children of Israel (בני ישראל), also called the Nation of Israel (עם ישראל), came to be known and indentified during Jewish history as the Land of Israel (ארץ ישראל) until the present time.

 

And that was all circa 930BCE to 720BCE until the Assyrians took them out.

 

And Israel has obliterated Palestine.

 

Yeah, fair call...should have said the Palestinians....meaning West Bank and Gaza Strip.

 

 

As for Israel being a purely defensive force - you can't be serious?

 

When did I say they were a purely defensive force?

 

What wars were instigated by the Israelis?

[Anna Perenna]

How in the world do you come to that conclusion? Muslim Arabs outnumber Israelites by a thousand to one. Israel is also only a sliver of land compared to the massive Arab countries.

 

Phantom, you seem to be really confused as to what Palestine is, and where it is on the map.

 

As I have explained previously, Palestine used to be the tiny sliver of land that is now called Israel.

 

And as I have said three times now, it is tiny.

 

These 'massive Arab countries' you speak of aren't Palestine.

 

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You didn't say "as we know it" in the original post.

 

But I did say the STATE of Israel. Which is what it is NOW known as. I didn't realise I had to spell everything out in minute detail in order for people to understand me.

 

When did I say they were a purely defensive force?

 

I actually quoted you saying it in my last post:

 

Israel hasn't invaded anyone unless they were reacting to AN invasion from fucken EVERYONE.

 

What wars were instigated by the Israelis?

 

Don't deliberately miscontrue my words.

 

They overreact to the point of being the aggressor - massive airstrikes and invasions are NOT 'self defence'.

[Moko]

But I did say the STATE of Israel. Which is what it is NOW known as. I didn't realise I had to spell everything out in minute detail in order for people to understand me.

Well, now you know.

 

And if we're going there, the history of the STATE of Israel started on the 17th May 1948...before that,there was no state, ergo: no history. The Russians came up with the suggestion to settle the Jewish refugees in Palestine. So if they're gonna be pissy at anyone, it should be the Russians.

 

Don't deliberately miscontrue my words.

 

I wasn't deliberately doing anything, this was my original comment:

 

Israel hasn't invaded anyone unless they were reacting to AN invasion from fucken EVERYONE.

 

Is that wrong?, and at the same time, what wars have they instigated?

 

They overreact to the point of being the aggressor - massive airstrikes and invasions are NOT 'self defence'.

 

 

They overreact to invasions?, endless bombings?, insurgent murders and kidnappings?.

 

At what point, as a nation, would you go "fuck this"...how many times have Egypt, Syria and Lebanon tried to wipe them out and what have they done in retaliation?..Lebanon isn't a state of Israel, neither is Syria or Egypt...Israel even gave back the Sinai to Egypt as a show of good faith after the talks at camp david with Sadat..They were there because of the Six Day War...who started that?...Sadat was assassinated by the people who wanted to keep hostilities going with Israel.

 

 

 

If your people were given a homeland after being without one for around about 2600 years, what would you do to keep it?...Would you do anything?...or would you give your nation up?

[Phantom]

Phantom, you seem to be really confused as to what Palestine is, and where it is on the map.

 

As I have explained previously, Palestine used to be the tiny sliver of land that is now called Israel.

 

And as I have said three times now, it is tiny.

 

These 'massive Arab countries' you speak of aren't Palestine.

 

Oops. I just looked it up and you are absolutely right. Boy, do I feel stupid!

[Anna Perenna]

Oops. I just looked it up and you are absolutely right. Boy, do I feel stupid!

 

You shouldn't feel stupid - you just learned something!

[Anna Perenna]

And if we're going there, the history of the STATE of Israel started on the 17th May 1948...before that,there was no state, ergo: no history. The Russians came up with the suggestion to settle the Jewish refugees in Palestine. So if they're gonna be pissy at anyone, it should be the Russians.

 

You realise you are focusing on petty semantics about semitics ....

 

My brief outline of the history included some relevant pre-history. Why are you acting as if I have presented false information?

 

Is that wrong?, and at the same time, what wars have they instigated?

 

Their last invasion of Lebanon just last year, to me, was a war that they instigated.

 

They overreact to invasions?, endless bombings?, insurgent murders and kidnappings?.

 

Yes, they do. Because all of these things you mention are reactions to things that the Israeli's have done previously. None of these attacks come unprovoked.

 

At what point, as a nation, would you go "fuck this .....

 

If your people were given a homeland after being without one for around about 2600 years, what would you do to keep it?...Would you do anything?...or would you give your nation up?

 

What I want to know is - did they honestly expect that they could all just go back 'home' - callously removing the Palestinians from their homes in the process - and that nobody would be upset about it?

 

The Zionists knew it would cause trouble and strife - they should never have tried to do it in the first place.

[Moko]

You realise you are focusing on petty semantics about semitics ....

 

Well yeah...I disputed your call on the 1800's thing, and you did the same and it went to shit from there...Let me know which of your points I should just let slide...ok?

 

My brief outline of the history included some relevant pre-history. Why are you acting as if I have presented false information?

 

I'm not, why are you deflecting?...How come you get to state how long the "piece of string" is?...I reckon if we're gonna measure the fucken string, then "this" is where we should measure it from.

 

Their last invasion of Lebanon just last year, to me, was a war that they instigated.

 

That's you're opinion and that's fair enough...we all see things how we see em and I see em differently to you...I'm intentionally not going to take that one because if 60 years of diplomacy between nations and by thousands, if not millions of people can't get to an agreement over it, then you and me never will.

 

Yes, they do. Because all of these things you mention are reactions to things that the Israeli's have done previously. None of these attacks come unprovoked.

 

Same as above...I don't want to make them out as a bunch of innocents, they are far from it, but I'm sympathetic to their situation.

 

What I want to know is - did they honestly expect that they could all just go back 'home' - callously removing the Palestinians from their homes in the process - and that nobody would be upset about it?

 

How did the Israelis end up there again?

 

The Zionists knew it would cause trouble and strife - they should never have tried to do it in the first place.

 

I wouldn't call the Russians, Zionists...The British weren't that "pro" them either...And I'd suggest the Zionist movement didn't really get started until after the State of Israel was established...sure there were sympathizers before that, but not like the Zionist theory you're alluding to.

 

I notice you didn't address many of the questions I asked of you, but you expect me to address yours...why's that?

 

I'll ask this one, one last time. If "your" people were given a strip of dirt to call your own after 2600ish years, what would you do to keep it?...and consider the time they were given it.