Rape (important, read)

[Friðbjörn]

That counts for child abuse as well, most sexual predators prey on someone they're connected to.

And therefore most abused children are abused by a "family friend".

[By_My-elf]

HHHMMM that is sick who the hell would do such a thing I can't even picture anyone doin that sick $hit

[Sygy]

ill give you a clue

 

hes 6"2

he has brown hair

he weights about 230lb

he is called warick

hes really strong

[By_My-elf]

hhmmm never heard of him

[Breakingthehabit_197]

that's so sick

[Sygy]

that's so sick

 

yeah rape is an ugly topic

[Numb_Girl25]

There are soo many sick freaks in this world today.

[stupidsoul1]

damn it

 

man, i would rather them kill me first...if they didnt then i would kill them after.

[LPGirl]

yeah rape is a horrible subject, thats why i made this thread, uno for pointers and stuff to stay safe.

[Friðbjörn]

Yeah. This needs to be discussed, no matter how horrible it is.

[LPGirl]

yep very true Fribby and its also i think a lot of that stuff applys to men, cuz a few men get drugged and raped to, but its not even close to how many girls get raped, but you fellas should be careful too, well everyone should be careful.

[Friðbjörn]

Yeah that's true.

Mostly for males, it's child abusers, not many grown men are attacked nowadays.

What we men need to work on, is, fighting against rapes, since it's young men who are the biggest predator group.

[LPGirl]

yeah young men who need sex or think they do, *sigh* cant they see thats not all lifes about god.

[Friðbjörn]

I don't think it's about that, I think there's something wrong with them in the brain. I mean many of us have the same urge, and are single, and survive by ourselves, if you know what I mean.

I'm not saying it's excusable, but I do think they are physically or psychologically ill in some way, they must be. No man with full wits would do this, unless he had no conscience at all, no feelings at all.

[Ravynlee]

That's a good point Viking - but the fact of the matter is that most people can't seem to grasp is that rape is generally not about sex. It's rage. It's about control. A large percentage of perpatrators who abuse have been abused themselves in some form or another and as a consequence of not dealing with their own demons they force those same demons on to others.

Now before anyone starts jumping up and down saying that they were abused and haven't abused anyone, know that I'm not refering to the public at large. Many of us don't offend, we have a conscious or self-coping mechanisms that stop us from ever repeating that same circle of violence (although you'd be surprised just how many ppl are re-raped by other perps despite all the planning and safety advice and so forth. It's just a given).

 

I know how this is gonna sound but I'm putting it out there anyway; I've been studying Rape for a while as a 'hobby' in part because it affected me and those around me so personally and also because I needed to make sense of all of it. I have many books on the subject and one, called 'The Facts of Rape' - by Barbara Toner (77-Arrow Books Ltd) quotes;

"Rape is not an explosion of pent-up sexual frustration, nor can it be prevented by a woman holding her legs together or kicking her attacker in the balls..." (p.90 - Rape statistics and theories)

 

It goes on to say that;

70% are planned

11% partially planned

16% impulsive attack

43% multiple attackers/gang rape

85% physical force is used but out of that 2 out of every 3 is termed as 'non-brutal'

It's also interesting to note that higher degrees of resistence provoke higher degrees of violence - in the author's opinion (based on the police files of Menachem Amir in Philadelphia) challenges the theory that it is impossble to rape a struggling woman. (p.90)

 

Also that where there is interracial rapes occuring, white perps are more likely to repeatedly and deliberately 'humiliate' their victims where non-white offenders are less prevalent to do so, specifically using psychological and phsyical assault rather than just physical assault. This is a power struggle or a show of supremacy, be it race and/or gender.

 

Of the cases studied;

43% were total strangers to their victims

(%60 in Australia & English studies could name their victims)

56% of rapes occur in the either the victim or offenders' home

18% committed outdoors

15% in cars

 

Alcohol is present in at least 70% of attacks

and more rapes occur generally during warmer months on the weekend than any other day of the week.

Wow. 0_0

 

"Typically, the the victim will know their attacker, they are more likely to have been drinking either at his house or hers, he is likely to threaten her and treat her roughly if not beat her, and she is more likely to be seriously hurt if she resists. Rape is likely to be committed at the weekend (where alcohol consumption is more prevalent) often incited by the assailant's friends (often in the guise of a party or a 'good time') and it is likely to be planned." (p.92)

 

That's not A-typical to all of us, but statistically that's the average attack.

Scary, is it not? (Refer to Sygy's story below) How freaky is that?

 

Now this isn't to say ALL rapes will fit this criteria, but hopefully gives you something to think about.

And if you want to know what kind of person would do such a thing;

 

1. Normal. The most common type of rapist is not mentally abnormal. (Royal College of Psychiatrists) He is young, vigourous, sexually unsatisfied and inexperienced. He's less likely to plan and to perceive some encouragement from his victim. There is nothing psychologically wrong with the average rapist.

 

2. Personality disorders. Frustrated individuals who use drugs and alcohol to escape reality and who often (but not always) have a history of maladjustment (petty crime, delinquency etc).

 

3. Subnormality. Normal functioning and without misbeheviour but predisposed to social and sexual inadequecies - people who are socially and sexually defunt/inadequete/are predominately confined to one-sex instituitions and with little contact with the opposite sex.

 

4. Organic/psychotic disorders. Brain injuries or mental conditions that impair judgement - like mania or schitzophrenia etc.[/i]

 

This is VERY BROAD description and it should be noted that not all rapists fit any one certain criteria, it's more to do with the sociology and background of the attacker, and the average lines that distinguishes one kind of rapist from another is generally thought to blur anyway, meaning, in a very general sense, the average rapist can and usually is just about anyone. Now that's a scary thought indeed. If you weren't paranoid before you should be now. I know I've snapped to attention again.

 

I know it's all speculation and only counts those REPORTED and gender specific (He- being the perp and she - being the victim) but I thought I'd share this with you anyway. It's a subject that could easily go on forever. Hope someone learned something from it. God forbid it should 'have' to happen to anyone though we all know it does/will.

 

Stay safe,

-Rav

[LPGirl]

wow scary i didnt know people were raped in cars, shows how much i know.

 

thats why i never go or want to go to partys where there are older people*even if its friends of the sister of my friend* that i dont know, cuz im scared of being raped, like everybodys drinking and then everybody would be to smash to notice me be dragged off, meh im a parnoid person.

[Friðbjörn]

I still have to say I think there is something wrong. Guys don't just start raping women just because. Sure they can appear normal, but underneath there is something wrong.

 

but wow Rav, thanks for all that info :thumbsup:

[LPGirl]

yeah, hm.. sometimes its the way they've been brought up, you know not to repect women that "were nothing" cuz dude some parents are like that or they could be in with the old way which is its only rape when the women changes her mind or something like that.

[joani]

to the people who said rape is an ugly topic. If rape was not talked about how would you know what to look for or what to do if it happend to you. Here in south africa some people think that if you rape a virgin you could be rid of aids. So if all of this was not talked about how would they know that they are just spreading this even more. Rape is not one of the famouse topics to talk about but it happens and i for one would like to know more about this. And.....it can save you from getting raped if you get all the right info. cheers

[LPGotLinkinPark]

Thanks for all that info Rav. :]

 

Fribby--I don't think that a rapist would have a mental or psycological disorder, but an emotional or personality disorder would make a lot of sense. And usually those are very small and hard to identify if it's subtle....Though, not all would necessarily have something wrong with them.

[Friðbjörn]

Maybe so, it's just so hard for me to imagine someone perfectly healthy, mentally and physically (well maybe only mentally counts on this one) do something like this.

I just...don't get it.

[Ravynlee]

I don't think any of us do unfortunately - that's why when it happens we're all at a loss to explain why it happened in the first place. If it was as easy as zeroing in on a particular defect genome or a mental disorder then we could in effect have a way of 'curing it' like we're trying to do with say cancer or aids. It's never that simple.

 

I think there's a lot of truth to the theory that rapists are rapists because of socialogy/upbringing and like it or not the environment and the people around them are good triggers for it. You've seen enough cop shows to know the profiler of a serial rapist has some kind of psychological trauma that 'triggers' the impulse - hence they'll target all women that fit a certain criteria that's interrelated to the cause of their distress. Mummy beat him so he beats all women who remind him of mummy, that kind of thing.

 

And agreed that rape can be and often is a conscious decision amongst 'normal' individuals that is triggered by the environment - genocide in war time, Joani had a perfect case in point. No one would argue most army officers are of sound mind but when they intentionally rape and torture women from other cultures be it for amusement or as a deliberate order, we don't say these men are monsters - they're normal hardworking men just doing their job, right? Wrong.

 

There's a lot of incidences of 'normal men' just 'snapping' and sometimes even they are at a loss as to explain why they really did it. If all rapists were the A-typical oversexed predator lurking in the shadows wearing a trenchcoat we'd sweep our streets and round them all up, right? Truth is they are our neighbours and friends and work colleagues, even our parents and partners. A psychological disorder is always a possiblity, and even taking into account that some people are just more inclined/predisposed to it (violent upbringings, moral disregard for women, feelings of superiority, abhorent chauvenism etc)What about people who can't deal with the stresses of everyday life? They just let things pile up until one day they snap. They may never do it again but the fact they've done it regardless, despite being a good husband or little league coach or whatever, indicates the general rapist, at least theoretically is just like you and me.

How scary is that prospect?

[LPGirl]

yeah but when they "snap" why rape? id rather kill someone, i think some suffer from metal disorders others just have a blatant disrepect for others.

[Ravynlee]

*looks vague*

Wish I knew. People react differently to situations I guess. Many impulse murders are loosely connected to something - a 'crime of passion', a mugging, a drunken brawl that gets out of hand, road rage, gang-land retaliation, etc...

Maybe rapists aren't as 'out of control' (dare I put it that way) as murderers. I never claimed to be an expert on the subject. Just musing too.

But still, it should be worth noting that there's a fair percentage of rapes that end in homicide... that's the ultimate in 'snapping.'

[LPGirl]

yeah but its weird, all the presure and stress so then they go rape?

meh i dont think we should be trying and working out why there doing it or what state of mind there in, cuz its just to hard, cuz each person is different and would do it for different reasons.