9/11 -- Was it real?

[FireHawk]

"Just because Deleted Scenes sell a couple hundy more DVD's, it won't make you the "cool guy" on an internet forum to find Deleted Lyrics."

 

--Deleted line from a book written by Everybody Else called "How to spot complete B.S."

 

I don't think he was aiming for the "cool guy"....shit dude...what the fuck does it matter....

[shadowfax1007]

come on guys, this isnt necessary, this thread was made to discuss and express opinions about 9/11, not go at each others throats, just calm down, respect each others opinions, and discuss them in a civil manner.

[Hahninator]

I'm trying not to argue omg

[FireHawk]

I am..........

 

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Anyway I think there are some many possibilites for 9/11 its crazy....

[LSUTiger]

LOL! Why does everybod freak out on this website in like .02 seconds. Shit! Somebody, just grow some balls, stand your ground, and quit playing the "Don't make me cry" card. Somebody, anybody, come back at me! Have some freaking fun! It's like midnight on a Friday night, and I'm stuck at home 'cause it just rained 6 inches for the past 3 hours, and I have fucking homework I have to do. Somebody entertain me and fire some shots back!

[djwakka]

An airplane cannot bring down a fortified building, correct. But thousands of degrees of heat can cause the infrastructure on certain floors to weaken, causing all subsequent floors above to crash down on the weak floor. Therefor starting a toppling effect all the way down. This is EXACTLY what happened. Discovery channel did a two hour show expalining exactly what cause the buildings to fall. It is well known, and even accepted by the uber-liberals who love this shit that the buildings fell on their own. The "explosion" before the fall was due to the pressure increase inside the floors right before they collapsed. That "pushed" all the flames out the side of the building really quickly.

 

Boeing 757 parts "were" found. Jet fuel can melt titanium, hell, your CAR ENGINE can melt titanium. I know this for a FACT. I've seen titanium valves springs melt on racecar engines that overheat. See: Top Fuel Dragsters.

 

Living Terrorists? I haven't heard of any. And if you throw some Al-Jazeera, or french website that says they are, I'm not going to believe it. You're buying into the hype by reading that shit.

 

Fucking hell.

 

See this is where you're wrong, scientifically and with proof.

 

"We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000 Fahrenheit degrees for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications"

-Kevin Ryan, Underwriter Laboritories

 

Underwriter Labs is the company that certified the steel that was used in the World Trade Center in a letter to Frank Gayle, of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

 

"Additionally, I think we can all agree that even unfireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F. Why someone would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all."

 

"This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, it was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."

 

Now lets go back to the Pentagon.

 

Boeing 757s have two Pratt and Whitney turbine engines on its wings made of steel and titanium alloy, weighing 6 tons each. Titanium has a melting point of 1688 C, which is 3070.4 degrees F. Kerosene, or burning jet fuel in this case, can burn at a maximum of 1120 degrees Celsius but only if the fuel is maintained. As you saw for yourself, the vast majority of the jetfuel erupted on impact of all the crashes on 9/11.

 

It is scientifically impossible for 6 tons of steel and titanium to be vaporized by kerosene, let alone the infrastructure of the two buildings.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, and the living terroists.

 

The descriptions of the terroists were made public on September 14th 2001. Waleed al-Shehri was reported by BBC to be alive and well at Casa Blanca, Moroco.

 

Abdul Aziz al Omari was also tracked down; he had lost his passport while studying to become an engineer in Denver. He said, "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."

 

And the famous lead terroist Mohammed Atta, called his father on September 12th.

 

So how many hijackers turned out alive? At least 9 of them out of 19.

 

On September 20th, FBI Director Robert Muller admitted on CNN that "there is no legal proof to prove the identities of the hijackers."

[Fort_Underground]

Well said Wakka. Well backed and well informed. But I got a question for you: You have any information on any of the other living terroists? Because 9 outta 19 is a large number. Also I do have something to add about a post a while back. It was said that the government was behind 9/11 but not the WTC, my question to that is, how? I'm not coming out here accusing the government fully here, but theres no fucking way that on sheer coincidene the government decided to crash a plane intothe pentagon the same day terriorsts decided to bombe the WTC. The odds are way against that. And so people say why wouldAmerica bomb its own WTC and kill al those people? Well when you look at it all, it wasn't very much at all. I dont have the exact numbers right now but i believe around 7-10k people died that day. That isn't very much at all. Look at Libya recently. The dictator there recently killed at least over 20k people for really no reason. The leader of Ukrane killed 2k people in a square because they gathered to talk bad thngs about him. So when you put those things into it, 7k people isnt really all that much.

[KillMeImIrish]

Just try not to piss on yourself' date=' and then send me a picture of it.[/quote']

 

 

ahahhaha.. i guess i forgot to explain what that was... welllll.. it wasn't piss. it was coke.. i mean, what dumbass holds a foam cup full of coke in between their legs and accidently squeezes it too hard? (ok, there was about 6352 things wrong about that sentence.) yeah, that would be me.. go me. so shut the fuck up before i tell ATLien! ha.

[LSUTiger]

Holy crap people. The argument of the WTC isn't the MELTING of the steel, it's the WEAKENING of the steel. Do you have any idea what happens to the strength of steel when you heat it up? It becomes weaker than your entire argument!

 

For every quote you find saying what you want to believe, I can find 5 more saying what I want to believe. I'm tired of this now.

[LSUTiger]

So when you put those things into it' date=' 7k people isnt really all that much.[/quote']

 

Never, ever, EVER say that again! I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you weren't exactly sure what you just said. But if you ever trivialize what happened that day again, you better hope I never see you face to face.

[FireHawk]

wow i am actually gona have to agree with LSUTiger that "I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doub your weren't exactly sure what you just said."

 

7k is a bunch no matter what your comparing...

[Fort_Underground]

Never' date=' ever, EVER say that again! I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you weren't exactly sure what you just said. But if you ever trivialize what happened that day again, you better hope I never see you face to face.[/quote']

 

Oh Im damn sure of what I said. And whats with your attitude? Trying to act tough? Personally I think your a douchebag for even saying that threat. So please do yourself a favor and stop the routine. Also about my post, maybe I did go a little far, but then again maybe you just think that. It seems as though you didnt bother to read the rest of the post. Maybe if you did do that you would see the point of it. Also it appears to me you are not looking at it from the same way I am. You are just staring at it and not moving at all. I myself have looked at this from almost all angles, and so this is my opinon on this. And Firehawk, 7k isnt always a lot no matter how you look at things. Take Bill Gates for Example, he gave 250 million dollars away to charity last year. Look at teh tsunami a little while back that killed around 300k people, they were just as innocent as the people in the WTC. Look at Christopher Columbus, when he brought over the diseases from Europe it lead to the death of 29 million people. The biggest geoncide in history. Oh and i got the facts about Darfur. Almost 300k people have been killed due to "Ethnic Cleansing". In the Rwada incident between April-July an estimated 800k Hutu and Tutsi killed because of the conflict. So dont come at me with this guilt stuff. I happen to look at this in relation to history, not the modern world view. Feel free to challenge me some more, so I can show you up again. Also I believe my new sig tells you where I am coming from, how I am looking at this.

[Brkng_Th_Hbt]

Making this thread was a mistake. This thread was meant for discussion, not arguing. In response to one of LSUTiger's posts, I think we need NOT to grow balls and come back at each other, but instead grow some and not be so fucking immature while getting off on arguing.

 

If I may ask, could a mod close this thread for me?

[Fort_Underground]

Yeah I got to agree with Habit here. I myself was looking forward to these disucssions, but people love to start arguments. Habit you started this thread with good intentions, and I myself would like to discuss this more. But yes, if this thread has been reduced to petty name calling and usless insults, than indeed this needs to stop. I also must ask a Mod to close down this thread, till people can become more mature and have actual discussions, not childish arguments. However before you do close this down, I would like to know what one of you 25+ year olds think of all of this. Does it really look as bad as I see it?

[FireHawk]

your right Fort Underground 7k isn't always a lot my mistake for posting that....i realized when i was looking at stuff at the internet ur right...but i think it is a lot of people

[Fort_Underground]

Well your intitled to your opinon. I will say that it was tragic that all those people lost their lives. However if the governemnt was behind it then their deaths should be avenged.

[FireHawk]

yeah i think that 9/11 shouldnt have happend either way terriosts or goverment who ever did it should fucking die

[djwakka]

If you can't defend your feelings here, where can you? Honestly... I for one have insulted no one, but I'm not going to wait forty years until the truth comes out; not after Kennedy.

[KillMeImIrish]

if here is the only place you can defend your feelings, there is something seriously wrong.

[LSUTiger]

Oh Im damn sure of what I said. And whats with your attitude? Trying to act tough? Personally I think your a douchebag for even saying that threat. So please do yourself a favor and stop the routine.

 

I 100% gaurantee this is not a routine, and I 100% gaurantee you would not make that comment to my face. You can go scaling historical disasters all you want, but until one actually affects YOU, I'd suggest taking a seat when it comes to telling people just how much one disaster "means" over the course of history.

[LSUTiger]

if here is the only place you can defend your feelings' date=' there is something seriously wrong.[/quote']

 

Win-nar!!!

[djwakka]

if here is the only place you can defend your feelings' date=' there is something seriously wrong.[/quote']

 

You misunderstand.

[KillMeImIrish]

ok, well thanks for clearing things up.

[TeaTime]

This thread was... interesting.

 

Until everyone started arguing too, it was mostly intelligent discussion.

 

Thanks for sharing the wealth

[Fort_Underground]

I 100% gaurantee this is not a routine' date=' and I 100% gaurantee you would not make that comment to my face. You can go scaling historical disasters all you want, but until one actually affects YOU, I'd suggest taking a seat when it comes to telling people just how much one disaster "means" over the course of history.[/quote']

 

LSU this is the reason why this thread needs to be shut down. This has now gotten to the point where no1 is talking about the thread, their just saying insults. Oh and how I wouldnt say this to your face, maybe you should consider the fact that Im only 15 and ur 22. Yet though you are the one who is resorting to the name calling and inuslts. If I ever do see you on the streets rest assured, Ill say everything Ive been typing to your face. And theirs not a damn thing you can do about it. Because go ahead and hit a minor, see what happens. And I also see now that 9/11 did affect somehow. Well if a family member of yours died then Im sorry. But I will say what I want to say and how I see it. And by your defintion of not saying anything about a disaster that doesnt "mean" anything to you, I say thats a bunch of bullshit. I see the 9/11 disaster however I wanna see it. And I will say what it means over the course of history. And I will say that I personaly think your an egotistical douchebag who wont except no for an answer and will make insults or start mindless arguing to try and prove you point.

 

Ok, now back to topic. Does anyone have a link to the George Washington bridge bombings story? I havent had a lot of luck trying to find one. And also Wakka you got any more information about the surving hijackers.

 

P.S. The majority of this point is why I think this thread needs to be shut down. Its turned into just one big argument