9/11 -- Was it real?

[acdcrules04]

Thats some intense shit. Now, before you read another word that I type, I will tell you that what I'm going to say is coming from a completely biased point of view. I hate America, and I hate Bush. I find that its a hell of a lot easier to believe what those videos have to say than what the corupt government of the good 'ole U.S. of A. has to say. I can completely see them doing this. Not Bush, he's to stupid, he is just their pawn. It makes a hell of a lot more sense, and you would be an idiot not to get something from these videos.

[UnhingedMouse0]

I don't think so. If this is one of those big CIA coverups' date=' then they'll do a hell of a job keeping it secret for a VERY long time. But I think it will matter. 9/11 could have major consequences for the future, even in like 50 years. Something caused from 9/11 could influence the distant future.[/quote']

Well of course 9/11 could influence the future and in fact, it already has. But these things can get leaked. Not too long ago there was a thread on here about how the US and Canada used to have plans on how to invade each other, but they didnt really matter anymore and were leaked/released a few decades later.

 

I just think that anyone would hold something that the US did (to itself) 30 years earlier, against them. Even if it was lying to the world. By then the leaders of our country would have nothing to do with the government of 30 years ago so how could they hold it against us? Its not like we are one corrupt person who made the decisions of 30 years ago and should therefore be held accountable. But who really knows? We will find out or we wont when that time comes... unless we get invaded by canada.

So lets all of us americans get up and move to Europe before anything happens.

 

My words of wisdom:

The government lies, how much?, who knows, just take it for what it is and go on living your life, theres nothing you can do about it. :thumbsup:

[Sygy]

well we will all find out in 50 years because thats when government files become public. im not to bothered. governments lie, people are mean, nothing we can do about it.

[Friðbjörn]

Well of course 9/11 could influence the future and in fact, it already has. But these things can get leaked. Not too long ago there was a thread on here about how the US and Canada used to have plans on how to invade each other, but they didnt really matter anymore and were leaked/released a few decades later.

 

I just think that anyone would hold something that the US did (to itself) 30 years earlier, against them. Even if it was lying to the world. By then the leaders of our country would have nothing to do with the government of 30 years ago so how could they hold it against us? Its not like we are one corrupt person who made the decisions of 30 years ago and should therefore be held accountable. But who really knows? We will find out or we wont when that time comes... unless we get invaded by canada.

So lets all of us americans get up and move to Europe before anything happens.

 

My words of wisdom:

The government lies, how much?, who knows, just take it for what it is and go on living your life, theres nothing you can do about it. :thumbsup:

Yeah, you make a good point.

I mean ok, people have a tendency of stopping to care about things that happened in the past, but that does however not make them any better. Of course, we should focus on the future, cause we can't fix the past. But still, we should look at the past, and mainly to learn from it.

 

Exactly. The best thing is to live on with your life. You can't know everything, and I've kinda accepted it, and have stopped thinkin and worrying about things. Like my user title says; I just don't give a shit.

 

 

Haha yeah by all means come, you're welcome

[UnhingedMouse0]

Haha yeah by all means come, you're welcome

Haha, thanks. We can form a giant LP-Loving community!

[KillMeImIrish]

how the hell could it not be real?

[azemkamikaze03]

When they use the context real, I don't think they meant "Airplanes didn't Crash into the Towers." I mean obviously they did. I think he/she means that what the official explantion that the white house gave about it was probably fake.

[waiting4thesun]

Yeah, I think that by "real" they mean that Middle Eastern hijackers were to blame. Saying it's not real (which is the truth) means it wasn't the Middle Eastern hijackers.

 

Fuck, I'm so glad I took the time to watch that yesterday. I would've replied to it, but I didn't have time. Really, though, could a Boeing 747 or 757 make a hole that small and not leave any other marks? fucking impossible.

 

Bush, screw you.

 

[end rant]

[azemkamikaze03]

Question...I can't watch these videos' date=' but if someone could tell me why they believe our government would throw to planes and a missile against thier own landmarks, civilians, soldiers, and cities, perhaps this would make more sense to me.[/quote']

Don't know if you were able to recive and answer or not, but in the second video they cover it..Kinda.

 

Apparently back when kenedy was in office someone drew up plans to have a terrorist attack blame it on Cuba then invade them, but Kennedy was outraged and fired the guy who came up with the plan. The video didn't say it directly, but I'm guessing they infered that 9-11 was used as a method to get in Iraq.

 

Another thing brought in but really explained to well, is that WTC has an abundance of gold stashed in it. And when I say gold I mean money like crazy.. Not all of it's America's and mysteriously after 9-11 alot was missing. I think what Corey was getting at that is that there could be a greed fueling these attacks. I'm not to sure but that's what I grasped from the videos.

[Fort_Underground]

I myself have heard of the conspiracy, and now am finding myself considering it. I do find it hard to believe that our own government would kill its own citizens and soliders to get approval to invade Iraq, but then again there have been stranger things. However by this logic, why hasn't our government done something to gain more support to invade Iran or North Korea? I myself as an American find myself dissapointed with my country. The government is so corrupt, people can win without getting the majority of the votes, and you can get away with anything if you have enough money. Anway back on track. I think these conspiators are slightly farfecthed, but who knows. Also about the George Washington Bridge, I never heard about it. I live in Texas, and I guess it wasn't big enough to make it on the news here. But now it seems more and more whispers about 9/11 are coming out. For anyone who hasnt seen The Boondocks, I recomned you do. But on that show the main character specifilcy says that "the government is lieing about 9/11" And now I find myself wandering that same thing. Also on the episdoe he says "Why was all the footage of the pentagon seized by the government and never seen again?" which is another good point. I myself have heard the song the DJ Wakka posted, and personally like it. Their beats and the fact its anti-bush. Yet though if you are to look at it, the whole thing that came out of it was "We must invade AFGHANASTAN and unite even more as a country" I mean, so much stuff came on about how America is stronger and more united because of that, so point there. And the other things is the Osama Bin Laden was known to be in AFGHANASATN, not Iraq. Which is why I oppose the move of my country to go their to disarm Saddam from his "Weapons of Mass Destruction" BTW cudos to the French for telling the truth, sorry my country wants to rule the world. And you might say what about all the innocent people? Well actually its not that much. Dictators murder 10's of thousands of people if they oppose them or seen as rebels, take Darfur for example. I myself have thought about joining my government simply to learn everything that has been a lie. How I wan't to know the truth, but that probably won't happen. But a few things still concern me about that theory, which is that it says 4 planes were hijacked and they all crashed. If a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, then where the hell did it go, along with its passengers? Also that if this conspiracy is real, then how would a bomb in the Pentagon go unnoticed? Those I would like to know. But in my opinon, it seems out there but the 9/11 theory looks to me plausible.

 

P.S. The Colbbert Report on Monday made a helluva lot of fun outta Bush's State of the Union

[LSUTiger]

I know this forum is full of pretty much high schoolers, but if you honestly believe a plane did not hit the pentagon, you are an embarrassment to every single physicist, engineer, and your country for being so stupid.

 

First off, the easiest part. If a plane didn't hit the pentagon, then why is that plane missing, as well as every passenger/pilot?

 

Now, for the common sense part to everybody that isn't a total idiot.

 

A boeing 757 is apporoximately 200 ft. long, and travels at 530 mph = 777 fps. That is the same speed as a bullet leaving a pistol! Folks, this plane travels 4 times its length EVERY SECOND! A camera runs apporximately 25 frames per second. That means everytime that camera takes a new picture, that plane has moved 1/6 it's length. That plane has no other option than to look like a missile. Oh, and anybody that knows airplane tails knows that's definitely a commercial airline tail.

 

Continuing.....

 

I suggest every single one of you that believes this horsehit google the terms "Fluid Mechanics" and "Structural Aerodynamic Engineering."

 

A boeing 757's cross section is only 13 ft. when you subtract the wingspan. Why subtract the wingspan? Because wings are made out of the lightest materials possible. A wing's job is to provide lift....THAT'S IT! It's job is not to stay intact when flying into a building! Those wings became toothpicks upon hitting the pentagon. And if anybody wants graphical analysis of how a Boeing 757 loses against a building, there's professors leading a comprehensive study here: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/

 

Also, check here:

 

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.html

 

 

Also, USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!!!!

[acdcrules04]

Then where were the wings? And the bodies? And the rest of the goddamn plane for that matter?

 

Now, I'm not competly buying into this, I'm just exploring new possibilities.

[LSUTiger]

You didn't listen to me. The structural integrity of an airplane wing is similar to you sticking your arm out the window of a car at 500 mph and trying to knock over a mailbox. Seriously, what's going to win that battle, your arm or the mailbox? Same with the wing going into a BUILDING. That building all but disintegrated those wings.

 

As far as the bodies...go light yourself on fire with jet fuel, and tell me what's left. Also, google the word "cremation."

 

Most of the rest of the plane suffered the same fate as the wings did...pure disintegration in the heat, but there were parts that can be identified through pictures, but I can't seem to find the website right now. When I do, I'll post the link. But you can clearly see remains of one of the turbine engines, and even the symbol of the commercial airline in the rubble.

[shadowfax1007]

I beat LSUTiger is a secret government agent assigned to brainwash us

 

lol not really, he is right, there would be much left if the plane hit it at such a high speed, and he is also right about the wing design, man, i was in a plane a few months ago and we hit turbulence, I thought the wings were gonna fly off lol, they look so flimsy.

[UnhingedMouse0]

You didn't listen to me. The structural integrity of an airplane wing is similar to you sticking your arm out the window of a car at 500 mph and trying to knock over a mailbox. Seriously, what's going to win that battle, your arm or the mailbox? Same with the wing going into a BUILDING. That building all but disintegrated those wings.

 

As far as the bodies...go light yourself on fire with jet fuel, and tell me what's left. Also, google the word "cremation."

 

Most of the rest of the plane suffered the same fate as the wings did...pure disintegration in the heat, but there were parts that can be identified through pictures, but I can't seem to find the website right now. When I do, I'll post the link. But you can clearly see remains of one of the turbine engines, and even the symbol of the commercial airline in the rubble.

 

Then how come the wings made imprints in the towers then?

 

Also, in the videos, it identifies the recognisible parts as being from a different type of plane than the one we were told crashed.

Add that to the fact that the FBI seized the only known video footage of it and havent released any of it and I smell some sort of conspiricy, the scale of which I am still unsure.

[LSUTiger]

??????

 

The towers fell dude. How do you have any clue what the exact dimensions of impact zone on the towers looked like? And where did you get those see through an explosion glasses?

[UnhingedMouse0]

Who said anything about exact dimensions? Maybe for the pentagon, but of course not the towers.

 

Plus, if yould actually take the time to watch the video you can see what Im talking about very clearly.

The only big explosion is right when the plane hits the building, after that you can clearly see the main hole with smoke coming out of it and on at least one side [because of the angle] where the wing went all the way in.

 

You can kinda see it here too.

http://www.newbeginningworldoutreach.net/twintower/WTC-31.jpg

[LSUTiger]

So what exactly does that pic prove again?

[LSUTiger]

http://www.rense.com/general69/91185.htm

 

There. There's about a bajillion links on there as well as pictures of landing gear, fuselage, turbine engines, and engine supports on that site.

[UnhingedMouse0]

After a breif look, that seems like an interesting site, Ill have read some more of it though. Im open to all the opinions on this since no one really knows what happened. Im also not trying to argue that fact that a plane hit the pentagon, just that the government MIGHT be [or might have been] lying about what type of aircraft hit it. Just an opinion based on what I have watched and read. *shrug*

 

On a friendly note, how do you know so much about planes?

 

And on a mod note, please use the "Edit" button.

[LSUTiger]

Okay, well that last link is confusing to follow, and not the one I was intending. Here; http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

 

That is a FULL COMPREHENSIVE investigation of pictures, structures, evidence, remains, everything!

 

To answer your last question; I'm about to graduate in Mechanical Engineering, and I'm applying for my masters in Thermal Fluids, as well as Aerodynamics.

 

Basically, HUGE nerd.

[UnhingedMouse0]

Okay, well that last link is confusing to follow, and not the one I was intending. Here; http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages...e_evidence.html

 

That is a FULL COMPREHENSIVE investigation of pictures, structures, evidence, remains, everything!

I check that out tomorrow, gotta go for now.

 

To answer your last question; I'm about to graduate in Mechanical Engineering, and I'm applying for my masters in Thermal Fluids, as well as Aerodynamics.

 

Basically, HUGE nerd.

At least thats something interesting. Well, I think so anyway.

 

-later

[djwakka]

You didn't listen to me. The structural integrity of an airplane wing is similar to you sticking your arm out the window of a car at 500 mph and trying to knock over a mailbox. Seriously, what's going to win that battle, your arm or the mailbox? Same with the wing going into a BUILDING. That building all but disintegrated those wings.

 

As far as the bodies...go light yourself on fire with jet fuel, and tell me what's left. Also, google the word "cremation."

 

Most of the rest of the plane suffered the same fate as the wings did...pure disintegration in the heat, but there were parts that can be identified through pictures, but I can't seem to find the website right now. When I do, I'll post the link. But you can clearly see remains of one of the turbine engines, and even the symbol of the commercial airline in the rubble.

 

Our arms can't withstand thousands of degrees of heat and collision with pressure and force. And the turbine engine, was not of a Boeing commercial aircraft. It's too obvious when you compare pictures found in the wreckage, with ones of an actual Boeing engine. No resemblance whatsoever regardless of how fucked up it got upon impact.

 

How funny would it be if buildings ate airplanes like you say they do. ALL of airplane crashes eventually reveal an indestructable black box in the wreckage but none were found on 9/11. You say because it couldn't be found in all the rubble? It wasn't found in the open fields of Pennsylvannia either.

[Fort_Underground]

Good point Wakka, also on another note, Anyone got a good link to what happened at the George Washington bridge? I haven't been able to find a good site with information about that incident

[Fort_Underground]

Sorry to double post, but i do have something to add about the attack on the pentagon, on the link below

 

http://www.sillygoth.com/pentagon.html#Main

 

Note: IF the link doesnt work then I probably messed it up, but do go to it, it is very comprehensive about the attack on the pentagon.

 

Also not on the video- The FBI moved pretty damn quick when it came to recovering the videos of the attack on the pentagon