Drugs

[Stenners]

Anything smoked and any drug including caffiene and cocoa (chocolate) causes ur heart to race, recent studies show marijouna could benefit the heart as smoking a joint is equivlent of a 30min cardio work out.

 

You shouldnt take anything on a heart condition

 

Most common heart attacks occur after a large meal, say a burger with chips :thumbsup:

 

 

Sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4417261.stm

[azemkamikaze03]

Anything smoked and any drug including caffiene and cocoa (chocolate) causes ur heart to race, recent studies show marijouna could benefit the heart as smoking a joint is equivlent of a 30min cardio work out.

 

You shouldnt take anything on a heart condition

 

Most common heart attacks occur after a large meal, say a burger with chips :thumbsup:

 

 

Sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4417261.stm

 

My version of a large meal is like 5 slices of pizza some cocacola and maybe chips. I'm sure burgers and fries won't do much damage unless you have high blood pressure or have been eating alot of fast food lately. :thumbsup:

Any sited sources on that one?

 

And the last couple of sentences in your article posted from the BBC state this

But she added: "It does not suggest that marijuana smoking is beneficial to the heart. On the contrary, the harmful effects on the heart are well documented."

underlined for dramatic purposes

 

joint is equivlent of a 30min cardio work out.

For who? Just becuase it's related to a cardio workout doesn't make it a resourceful or aceptable substituion for excersise. You'd end up dieing younger than if you just got up and ran. Each body is composed diffrently. Certain people need less excercise then others. A person in top shape(we'll call him A) may need to run 2 miles in order to reach their target heart while a 400 pound man(named B) may need to walk a few steps. So it might take A 20 minutes in order to reach that peak but take B 5. B therefore would be going 25 minutes at his target heart rate which frankly is unhealthy for anyone who isn't very athletic. So for 30 minutes your heart is pumpin 4 times faster than its resting rate. Sure you and I may be able to take that but im sure alot of people wouldn't be able. Considering the fact that alot of people that smoke weed aren't exactly athletes leads me to believe that their target heart rate maybe lower than it should be. So they are at risk. Sure there arent many if any 400 pounder weed burners but what I was just saying is just an example. It get's a little more complicated than that.

[Hybrid Soldier]

Considering the fact that alot of people that smoke weed aren't exactly athletes leads me to believe that their target heart rate maybe lower than it should be.

WHat do you consider an athlete? SOmeone who runs around 20-60 miles a week? Someone who can run a 5:05 mile? Someone who can run a 10:48 2 mile? Someone who can run a 16:12 3 mile?

 

I know about 12 people who smoke that can do jsut about that, not exactly that, as thats what I can do, but still, I bet you couldnt do anywhere around that. So dont say weed effects anything that could cause you to be athletic, because about 40% of the athletes at my school happen to smoke. ANd we happen to graduate atleast 1 person per year with a full-ride scholarship.

[azemkamikaze03]

What are the effects of marijuana on performance?

 

* Impairs skills requiring eye-hand coordination and a fast reaction time

* Reduces motor coordination, tracking ability and perceptual accuracy

* Impairs concentration, and time appears to move more slowly

* Skill impairment may last up to 24 to 36 hours after usage

* Reduces maximal exercise capacity resulting in increased fatiguability

* Marijuana has no performance-enhancing potential

Source

 

Because marijuana is stored in the body fat, its effects may be long-lasting. "It has been shown that performance skills can be impaired for as long as 24 hours after marijuana usage," says Wadler, "which casts doubt on the commonly held belief that the social use of marijuana the evening prior to an athletic event will not affect performance."

 

What are the short-term adverse health effects of marijuana?

 

* Memory and learning problems

* Difficulty concentrating

* Perception distortions involving vision, sound, touch and time

* Thinking and problem-solving difficulties

* Increased heart rate and drop in blood pressure

* Sudden feelings of anxiety, including panic attacks, and paranoia

* Runny nose, sore throat, wheezing

 

I strongly doubt they will run far if they are weezing all the way.

What are the effects of marijuana use on athletic performance?

Marijuana use can cause changes in personality, induce hallucinations, delusions and symptoms of psychosis. The primary effects of marijuana produced on the CNS can impair short-term memory and perception. Other effects associated with marijuana use are tachycardia, bronchodilation, increased blood flow to the limbs, and decreased maximal work capacity.

 

I'm starting to see a pattern.

 

Question does anyone here who's seen a weed smoker (besides stenners, HS, and I) want a pot head on their sport team? Why or Why Not?

 

HS, all I have to say is if what you say is really true, then you need to start supplying everyone your guys's weed, becuase the majority, of people I've seen smoke weed arent exactly scholars or the athletic type. Most of them tend to not care and complain about school. They complain about life and how their parents are dicks and never really see the true light.

 

Plus my school has no drug testing. Nothing like that. But yet whenever sport seasons begin why do all my friends stop smoking weed so that they can play better? Thats their excuse.

[Hybrid Soldier]

The majority' date=' of people I've seen smoke weed arent exactly scholars or the athletic type. Most of them tend to not care and complain about school. They complain about life and how their parents are dicks and never really see the true light.[/quote']

People youve seen smoke, but you havent seen the same people I see. Sure, I see the gangsters, I hang with CVLS, SSCC, CTK, and SCV(big corona gangs), but thats a different class in its own. Most people around here truly dont smoke it that often, but that ones that do you can tell. And the athletes around here, most of them smoke it on friday nights, as the majority of our games are on thursdays.

 

So of course, this could just be my area, I'm not doubting that, but I dont see the stuff you see.

[Stenners]

3 of the highest achivers i know..................... I smoke pot with lol

 

They get A's in College n have got University places as well as playing for football clubs. O.o

[Hybrid Soldier]

3 of the highest achivers i know..................... I smoke pot with lol

 

They get A's in College n have got University places as well as playing for football clubs. O.o

WHich proves that as long as your smart with it it wont do too much harm to you or effect you too much.

[azemkamikaze03]

maybe its just the east and midwest of America then. Ive lived in 3 diffrent cities in Texas, Missouri, Maryland, Virginia, Germany, Arizona(not to long though) and I mean from my own knowledge 1 out of 10 people were okay even though they smoked weed. I mean if you smoke like once a week maybe just a blunt to let out some steam or celebrate obviously the outcome is going to be diffrent from someone who lights up more often. But i mean lets say America allowed these drugs in general. And im not saying just marijuana becuase this thread is about drugs in general say we legalize. Our country is just going to fall on its ass. We get idiots (and im not saying its you HS or Stenners) that say oh Bush is taking this country down the drain and that hes admin is the symbol of failure to Americans. They say he's and idiot even though he has a degree in education or something like that and they have nothing close. And then they say we need to legalize drugs. They are true idiots. Seriously.

 

Im begging someone to say they'd feel safe on the road driving next to someone whos high. If we legalize it that's how its going to be. You might say oh the UK this UK that, we Americans not british or european. we do things way diffrently.. not that im beashing UK culture or anything, but We abuse what ever power were givin. Its simple. You think us getting permisson to smoke weed is going to be taken lightly?

 

If weed was so good then people wouldnt be out to get at people so much. Obviously its not right if there are ad campains that spend millions of dollars to say dont do drugs, if school send in DARE police to tell you why drugs are bad, if the government puts a band on it, or even if the UK allows it but in moderation. They know its bad. We dont ban alcohol becuase basically most of america drinks, thered be no point. Ciggarettes arent band becuase of the same thing as drinking, but ciggerettes are slowly not becoming as popular as they may have been in the past.

 

I can imagine walking in to a house and see dirty needles in the batroom moms past out while kids play in there room with needles in their toy box.

 

Shits serious. I mean like I said obviously weed is nothing good. If it was then it wouldnt be banned. It wouldnt. The Democratic System is made so that it wont. I think one of your smart friends who smoke weed should file a case against the government take it to the supreme court and give all the facts that prove that marijuana or any other drug you wanna legalize is good and has less negative facts then positive and they'll overrule anyrule made initially. They will.

 

See but they wont it wont becuase the negative facts stack way higher than any positive ones. I mean seriously Hs's 12 ppl he knows stenners 2. thats only what 15 people. out of a good few thousands. I mean lets get some facts/ statistics proving positives for weed. Make sure you give a source too. Stenners tried but I mean in the article it stated at the very end weed was indeed harmful.

 

I didnt site anything becuase Im tired exhuasted and I really dont feel like googling but be my guest to prove anything I said wrong. Chop it into bits and peices and sort out the flaws in my statements im probably wrong im just using what I know.

 

What id like to see is some statistics on if weed really benifits studies, sports, stability, insanity ect. I know all the other drugs dont but I mean weed seems to be the main focus so show me some real stats. Not some word of mouth my cousins best friends sisters boy friends brother shit some real sited stuff. I posted sited reliable sources and my questions just seem to be dodged and just bits and peices are picked at.

[Stenners]

AZK, Alcahol is legal but I dont drink that every day nor do most people sure the are some people that do but thats just invevidable. + the people that would want to smoke it already do + the damage to their health will be reduced due to clean production.

 

In Holland + Spain marijouna use has hardly gone up since decrimilisation and use in London (Brixton) didnt go up when it was put on trial run. I just say make it Class D (age restricted with health warnings on packaging) as most harm caused by smoking dope occurs when your body is still developing.

[CCB_Faint]

It seems to me... The biggest problem with drugs are their legality...

Legalized drugs do just as much damage as illegal drugs

( if not more due to the availablity of them )

I think the excitement towards illegal drugs (in the begining) is doing something

thats not legal... To see if we can get away with things.

( Thats the case with alot of ppl i know anyway )

Experimentation is a HUGE thing in teens/young adults wether it be drugs,

sexuality etc. We all like to try things for ourselves

Sometimes we are happy with trying things just the once

and that settles our curiousity.

 

I think the thrill of drugs would be less inviting if they were legal.

But thats just my thought.

 

Here in Adelaide, we have a few Drug experts calling for

Drug tests to be available to clubbers/users

to minimize the risk of a bad batch of drugs and minimizing

deaths and/or overdoses.

They realise that ppl will take drugs regardless of their legal state

and wish to make it safer for all users.

 

Not a bad idea IMHO.

[Clogz]

As far as I am concerned, all drugs alter a person, no matter if you are addicted or not. Even for that small amount of time, they alter your personality and your mood. That is why I do not take them. I don't smoke, I don't drink, and I never will because I do not trust drugs or alchohal.

From my experience, the people who always say something is safe and not harmful are the ones who are using it themselves. And that means thier opinion is a total bias, because saying its harmful to them means giving it up.

And to top it off, I have an extremely addictive body. I'm already addicted on caffiene, which I get through lots and lots of pop...at least three cans a day now. I once had to stop cold turkey when I had to drink six cans of Mountain Dew in an hour just to get that 'feeling'.

I don't trust drugs, and I don't trust the opinions of thier users. I believe that anything that alters your mind like drugs do is not good. Period.

[allieking]

well said clogz, if your gonna take drugs just think before you take them, where were they made and whats in them? can't answer that question then don't take them. its that easy!!!

[Black_Angel]

I'm not really bothered, if people want to take drugs then let them. It's their choice.

[keza]

I think the thrill of drugs would be less inviting if they were legal.

But thats just my thought.

 

 

ive heard so many people say that, but they make drugs illegal for a reason, ano for a fact some of my friends would take drugs more often if they could get their hands on them (people start off with the small and end up building up to the hard stuff, heroin etc...in the end its a buzz they lk for; that a smaller class of drug doesnt give them)

because they need to go privatly and secretly means they usually just dont bother lol...too lazy

i dont think they should legalise the drugs...u have people taking them now, how many people would take them if they knew they could get away with it? ^^

 

just my opinion though, i dont agree with drugs...i hate not having control over my actions...>.<

[stupidsoul1]

Yeah, my friends are extremely apathetic when it comes to drugs even if they have the weed they sit there until someone gets a roll or a bong or anything they could put it in, then they sit there for a while and discover they need a light.

 

It's cute in a very weird way, but i don't want that happening to them often if it became legal it would be sold next to cigarettes or like at the pharmacy so they would just need their friends to get it for them...then again they do that now.

[Hybrid Soldier]

Now, Im not saying that drugs arent harmful, I'm just saying that they can be alot less harmful if your resposbile, because I know that 1 going does the same as 5 cigs, and thats why i hardly ever smoke, and when I do, its like not even a gram, like less than half, and in an apple usually.

[misery]

I think that in moderation, drugs will only harm you a negligible amount. Once you start doing it more and more often, then you could be in trouble. That's why drugs can be very dangerous; because of their addictive properties. If you maintain control and only do it every so often, you should be fine.

 

I drink with my friends often though, and I also smoke the chron-dizzle, as one of my friends calls it, not even once a month. I havent noticed any changes, although, I'm sure you'd have to be a long-term alcoholic/druggie for anything noticeable to occur.

 

In short: If you're responsible and use drugs in moderation, you should be fine.

[Cyro]

I smoke marijuana. I beleive if marijuana done responsibly, its not as harmful as any other drug. Its addiction rate is one of the lowest. Blah, Blah, I don't feel like talking about it forever.

[Clogz]

Anything smoked and any drug including caffiene and cocoa (chocolate) causes ur heart to race, recent studies show marijouna could benefit the heart as smoking a joint is equivlent of a 30min cardio work out.

 

You shouldnt take anything on a heart condition

 

Most common heart attacks occur after a large meal, say a burger with chips :thumbsup:

 

 

Sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4417261.stm

 

And did you know that increasing your heart rate like that is actually bad for your heart, not good? Why do you think caffiene pills are so dangerous? It is very bad for the heart to race due to unnatural causes like drugs.

Its been proven, to counter your point totally, that marijuana and caffiene can actually be a factor in the appearence of heart palpitations.

[Cyro]

We're not scientists. Beleive what you want, do what you want... but in the end there is still not alot of factual evidence on if marijuana is benificial or completely bad. I beleive it is both in different ways.

 

*I have done drugs before but i regret it.

You have no reason to do drugs, even if your life sucks. If your pressured to use drugs use your head. If you do use them responsibly you'll find your self RELYING on them. Maybe this is different for some people, then lucky for you.. i guess. In my opinion sooner or later you'll find yourself addicted. To sum up my blabbering it's just to say

 

what's the point?

 

The point is it makes me feel good, and is a great way to unwind after a stressful day/week/18 years. I'm not addicted, for I have gone for a week and a half without marijuana, and I'm not craving it. Sure I'd do it if I had some right now, but I don't need it to go on. The fact that you say there is no reason to do them even if your life sucks, leads me to beleive you don't understand anyways...

[azemkamikaze03]

We're not scientists. Beleive what you want, do what you want... but in the end there is still not alot of factual evidence on if marijuana is benificial or completely bad. I beleive it is both in different ways.

 

 

 

The point is it makes me feel good, and is a great way to unwind after a stressful day/week/18 years. I'm not addicted, for I have gone for a week and a half without marijuana, and I'm not craving it. Sure I'd do it if I had some right now, but I don't need it to go on. The fact that you say there is no reason to do them even if your life sucks, leads me to beleive you don't understand anyways...

 

if ur life sucks you dont need to do drugs. Lets be serious. Life is what you make it. Drugs are just a weasles way of trying to escape the pain. I mean seriously there are like a million and one things you can do besides drugs...some people sing, some people have sex, some people do charity shit, i mean there are countless ways to get out your anger. My life always seems to be liek whenver i have a good day it always gets ruined...or whenever i think things are going great something comes along and makes it shitty. I mean I could easily go home light up and chill, but I mean what good does it do? Its still gunna suck tommorow. Thats why you gotta stand up and say fuck it. Shits goin the right way. Of course your gunna get those ppl who say OH i tried but thats a load of BS. if they tried theyd be succesful man. It takes more than 3 tries sometimes. But....yeah. Drugs no good. What a waste of time and money.

[Stenners]

Life doesnt make ur life better or worse it just enhances whatever ur life is already. For the record I never do drugs or alcahol alone and only in social events such as party's n clubbing I for one believe thats the only use I should use them for as they genuingly do enhance that experiance I dont want to enhance being at home as that just seems like escaping from life.

 

I always tell people not to drink or take anything when they feel low or bored as it just become habbit forming and an unhealthy habbit. Taking when already having fun enhances it but it doesnt make such a sudden elevation that you actually dont have ur brain tricked into thinking you need pills n drink for a good time.

 

 

PS. Clogz how do u think ur heart gets stronger, it slows down as it gets stronger to get it stronger you got to make it work. The danger is over straining the heart not speeding it up, any sudden and irregular increase is bad just an increase is beneficial.

[azemkamikaze03]

I always tell people not to drink or take anything when they feel low or bored as it just become habbit forming and an unhealthy habbit. Taking when already having fun enhances it but it doesnt make such a sudden elevation that you actually dont have ur brain tricked into thinking you need pills n drink for a good time.

finnaly we can both kinda agree on something...id rather smokie just becuase i want to versus becuase i need it to be happy

 

 

im not saying that smopkkings good though

[Hybrid Soldier]

Life doesnt make ur life better or worse it just enhances whatever ur life is already. For the record I never do drugs or alcahol alone and only in social events such as party's n clubbing I for one believe thats the only use I should use them for as they genuingly do enhance that experiance I dont want to enhance being at home as that just seems like escaping from life.

 

I always tell people not to drink or take anything when they feel low or bored as it just become habbit forming and an unhealthy habbit. Taking when already having fun enhances it but it doesnt make such a sudden elevation that you actually dont have ur brain tricked into thinking you need pills n drink for a good time.

 

 

PS. Clogz how do u think ur heart gets stronger, it slows down as it gets stronger to get it stronger you got to make it work. The danger is over straining the heart not speeding it up, any sudden and irregular increase is bad just an increase is beneficial.

agreed completely, i mean, smoking by yourself is a waste, completely, unless your emo of course.....

[.hP.]

Personally I think 'life' is the biggest drug of all...