Religion

[twilightcrimson7]

Ahh you guys are so nice.

I don't have much to add to any of that. just nice to speculate.

except, i want to say that not all christians are anti-gay. My friend who is a devout christian, is for gay marriage ^_^

[wow, that's pos 6,666 for me. coincidence?]

[Brkng_Th_Hbt]

Here's my views on Christianity. My former religion.

 

I used to be a Christian. So was my family. One day my mom and sister got into looking up all these condriditions that were making the Bible look like a big lie (some of it).

 

I myself, can't have faith in a religion. There's just somethin about me... I can't believe in anything. I've tried my hardest to believe in God, and to believe good things will comes and shit. But I just can't.

 

Why would God make me and want me to worship him my whole life, and devote my life to him, if he made my mind to where I can't make myself fully believe in him?

 

What about the population? There's too many people... how can they ALL hear about God? In the Bible it says that for the people that don't know about Christainity, that their surrounding will help them know. Impossible. What about the tribes in Africa where the missionaries haven't went yet?

 

How does God expect people of other religions to turn to him when we're not supposed to turn from him? He can't expect that. A lot of people strongly believe in their religion, and he can't expect someone to just turn like that. It doesn't make sense to me at all. (There's a lot more to this, but I don't know how to explain how I feel about this certain situation)

 

That's just why I've become almost agnostic. I can't will myself to believe in any religion. I just can't.

 

There's a lot of contriditions to the Bible that I've read... And it makes the Bible look really wrong in some parts. There was other books to the Bible, but they left them out because the "didn't fit".

 

Also, there's a lot of Christians that don't believe certain parts of the Bible... (like small scriptures and stuff). Well if one thing isn't true... why is everything else right?

 

1. Discriminates against gays

2. Everythign you do, is for a higher being, not for yourself

3. People have used God to start wars, or kill innocent people

4. Why doesn't god send another prophet to earth now? Why did he stop with Muhammad?

5. The devout Christians tend to shun other religions, and not have an open mind to other ones.

6. How did God come to exist?

7. Why can't god be a she?

 

These are a few, but some of the more important reasons why I'm no longer a Christian.

Word.

 

My two cents.

[djwakka]

1. Discriminates against gays

Well, it's not 'discriminate,' for one. It's not like we have anti-gay rallies and go burn down houses of gay people. It's not that at all. We believe that homosexuality is a sin. Plain and simple. If God had inteded for men to be married to men, or women to be married with women, then penises wouldn't fit into vaginas and so on and so forth. It's natural, and that's the way we were created. I'm not saying that gay people are going to hell, because that's just shallow. All sinners are going to hell. Shit, if I didn't have Christ, i'd go to hell too. What do you think of that? It's not about being discriminate. It's just... hate the sin, not the sinner.

 

Gays are born gay, therefore homosexuals are sinners at birth? Therefore, all gays go to hell? Something's not right. Even if you do repent for your so-called sin, you can't deny yourself sexual preference even if you tried. So I'm getting this message your portraying that all gays go to Hell, regardless of the charity, compassion, and overall good they committed in their lives. Doesn't that seem, well, un-Christian?

 

2. Everything you do, is for a higher being, not for yourself

That's very true. I see nothing wrong with that. But that's the point of the 'Higher Being' isn't it? I mean, doing things for God is (to me, at least) a lot more gratifying than, say, doing it for inanimate pieces of green paper, with pictures of dead humans on them.

 

Reflectionist, you're my friend and all but a lot of your examples are sketchy. Obviously since your Christian, your going to think other forms of worship are blasphemic. Keep an open mind. I don't even know what religion your inferring to.

 

3. People have used God to start wars, or kill innocent people

Okay, there are a lot of people who think this about Christians. But in all reality, not that there is anything wrong with this, but the Qu'ran says something about killing everyone who is not Muslim, does it not? Is it not just really radical extremist muslims going around bombing Christians all over the place? Also, God didn't say "I've come for peace" did He? No. As a matter of a fact, He specifically says: "You will hear of wars, and rumors of wars. Do not be alarmed. Such things must happen..."

 

Those extremists are the exception, not the rule. Kind of like how the corrupt Christian Republicans don't have the same mind-set of the rest of the Christian community. Speaking of the Qu'ran, the Qur'an retells stories of many of the people and events recounted in Jewish and Christian sacred books (Torah, Bible) although it differs in many details. Well-known Biblical characters such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and John the Baptist are mentioned in the Qur'an as Prophets of Islam. Muslims believe that differences between Quranic versions and Christian or Jewish texts (both of which are considered divine) are due to the Christian and Jewish texts having been corrupted and changed over time, and believe that the Qur'an preserves the correct version. But of course, Christians and Jews will argue that their Torah is the legit one.

 

4. Why doesn't god send another prophet to earth now? Why did he stop with Muhammad?

Okay, first of all, Jesus wasn't just 'some prophet' and if there had been a need for more prophets, he would've sent them. Muhammad wasn't sent by God. Sorry. I don't believe he was. There is no reason to think he was. All he's got is his own word, correct? Jesus, on the other hand, ended our sin problem (yes, we have a problem with sin, Ya know, Adam and the Apple, everyone's heard.... yeah) because when He died, all the sin in the WORLD, past... present... and future was placed on him, and died with Him. But Jesus, being God, just rose from the Dead three days later, and the Sin was still dead. Gone. Forever. I mean, we still have it individually, but it's like FedEx. If you've got a Box in your hand, and the Fed Ex guy or UPS guy shows up at your door with another box, you'd have to put the first one down to take the second one, right?

 

Life and death is more complex then a delivery guy coming and going, no? Not the best analogy there, Ref. Perhaps I'll use it when I order two pies from Dominos.

 

5. The devout Christians tend to shun other religions, and not have an open mind to other ones.

Okay, that's very true. Again, in the Bible it says "Jesus said, 'watch so that no one decieves you. Many will come in my name, claiming "I am the Christ," and will decieve many.'" And this is true. There was a guy about 8 or 9 years ago that was making a big deal saying he was God, but everything he said went against this Bible which was written over such a LONG period of time that no ONE person couldn't have written it all. If it weren't true, there'd be so many continuity errors and discrepancies that it'd just be obviously fake. And what, a billion or so people can't believe in something that's obviously wrong, can they?

Why not? There is no "right" religion. Because a religion is popular, doesn't make it the "chosen one" or the "correct one." That's left to the person themselves, not an omniscient being. Would you believe that Luciferism is right if billions of people had faith in it?

 

6. How did God come to exist?

God is omnipotent, God is omniescent. Why is it our business to know How God exists? Our feeble human minds couldn't possibly comprehend this. The thing is, most people say that we're the most powerful beings ever, that we're the most intelligent. Well, of course we think that, we don't have anything else to go by. But it makes sense, that if there was something that was so much more intelligent, we wouldn't be able to comprehend it. A squirrel can not comprehend human emotions, human words, human body language, can it? So how exactly can Humans comprehend God?

One quote. "I think therefore I am."

[Fort_Underground]

Hmmmm. Well said Ref, Hbt, and Wakka. All your ideas do make you think and are interesting. Wakka you do make some good points in Refeleconist response to my list. There is no single "right" religion. Also, to quote Immortal Technique here, "Universal truth isn't measured in mass appeal." If history was different, maybe religion wouldn't exist at all. But I do have to bring up something in Refelcionist response. Why should it be below human minds to understand how god exists or where s/he comes from? If a higher being really did look upon us, I would like to know more about him/her. Because, in my opinon, it looks like God is an alien. We don't know where or when he/she came from, or if God is so intelligant, why doesn't he make believers out of the rest of the people in the world?

 

Also I was doign some reaserch into Buddhisim, and found that it really does appeal to me. It is tolerant of other religions, and it doesn't teach a belief of a "supreme being" to worship. It rather offers guidance through life and after life. Anyone else wanna comment about this?

[Brkng_Th_Hbt]

one of my favorite songs ever is called "The Prayer Position" and it's by AFI. The band hasn't said the meaning of it, but people have interpreted the song and basically it's about how people are pushed to believe a region and that's wrong.. people shouldn't pressured and should just see for themselves.

 

"The Prayer Position"

 

Now! Peel the skin back from the flesh. Steal the flesh back from the starving static minds.

From nature we must stray, to clarity we'll climb.

Deadly impulse seems so natural, just look beyond it and we'll find a brand new evolution.

Here begins a brand new line. And in the distance there's a gathering, that no longer seems so far away.

Pushed to our knees so let us pray, and all together we'll bring the real rain.

Watch all that's wasted wash away, so let it come. Our will be done.

Stature retrieved, regain our form. Break free from instinct that's left us all confined.

From nature we must stray to clarity we'll climb. Tradition ingrained, now impermissible.

Now comes a call for all to find a brand new evolution. Here begins a brand new line.

I can't help but fear, look to my species and tremble, to think that God is just...

And in the distance there's a gathering that no longer seems so far away.

 

just adding this because it's a religious thread, and this song happens to be one of my favorites and is most likely about religion.

[Reflectionist]

I typed this as an afterthought. I might've gotten a little overboard. Please don't take anything I say as personally offensive. This is only a debate now, after all. Thanks you.

 

Now--

 

What contradictions? A lot of people say they've found contradictions, but if you read the verses in the context that they're given in, they aren't. You'll find that they usually aren't even talking about the same things.

 

Gays are born gay' date=' therefore homosexuals are sinners at birth? Therefore, all gays go to hell? Something's not right. Even if you do repent for your so-called sin, you can't deny yourself sexual preference even if you tried. So I'm getting this message your portraying that all gays go to Hell, regardless of the charity, compassion, and overall good they committed in their lives. Doesn't that seem, well, un-Christian? [/quote']

 

No. It doesn't. Once again, hate the sin, not the sinner. It's not my choice who goes to hell and who doesn't. If I had it my way, there wouldn't even BE a hell. But things aren't my way, are they?

 

 

Reflectionist, you're my friend and all but a lot of your examples are sketchy. Obviously since your Christian, your going to think other forms of worship are blasphemic. Keep an open mind. I don't even know what religion your inferring to.

 

I wasn't referring to a religion. That was a point for a religion period against atheism. Believing in a Higher being is more gratifying than worshipping money, is it not?

 

Those extremists are the exception, not the rule. Kind of like how the corrupt Christian Republicans don't have the same mind-set of the rest of the Christian community. Speaking of the Qu'ran, the Qur'an retells stories of many of the people and events recounted in Jewish and Christian sacred books (Torah, Bible) although it differs in many details. Well-known Biblical characters such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and John the Baptist are mentioned in the Qur'an as Prophets of Islam. Muslims believe that differences between Quranic versions and Christian or Jewish texts (both of which are considered divine) are due to the Christian and Jewish texts having been corrupted and changed over time, and believe that the Qur'an preserves the correct version. But of course, Christians and Jews will argue that their Torah is the legit one.

 

I know this. But I could say the same thing about the war mongering president over here too.

 

About the Qu'Ran, it was written after Jesus had died. So of course it's going to mention it. Do you think it was simply a divine fact that he'd know about them? They weren't prophets of Islam, by any means. Do you know what those people ever said? For one, They all generally were looking ahead to the day of the Christ. Wether you believe that's Jesus or not, it certainly doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Muhammad, or the Muslims.

 

Jesus said that He was the son of God. So, that would make him either, the Son of God, a Liar, or worse. Now, assuming he is the Son of God, Muslim is seriously flawed because they claim Jesus is simply a good prophet of Islam. But if Jesus was a Liar, Muslim is again seriously flawed, because liars can't be good prophets of any relgion. Is that too much to understand? And I've not even read the Qu'ran. Do I really need to get inside the Qu'ran and start throwing it away from the inside? It seems to be already shot to hell from the outside.

 

And since the Christian and Jewish texts were written first, wouldn't that give Mohammad an opportunity to change them to say what he wanted them to say, all the while claiming that the originals were changed over time, and corrupt?

 

You know they found scrolls by the dead sea, that have been dated back a really really long time. And they aren't very different apart from what we've got today, other than translation issues.

 

Life and death is more complex then a delivery guy coming and going, no? Not the best analogy there, Ref. Perhaps I'll use it when I order two pies from Dominos.

 

I think you missed my point there bro. Jesus has this great and wonderful gift for us, but we're holding on to this sin crap. We've got to put down the sin, before we can take the gift that Jesus has. Make more sense yet?

 

Why not? There is no "right" religion. Because a religion is popular, doesn't make it the "chosen one" or the "correct one." That's left to the person themselves, not an omniscient being. Would you believe that Luciferism is right if billions of people had faith in it?

 

I don't know. But if there's no "right religion" it makes life pretty pointless doesn't it? So if life's so pointless, what's a coinscience for? Why not just go down the street and blow everyone to hell? Oh, wait. There's no right religion, so there wouldn't be a hell to blow anyone to. There wouldn't be a heaven either. There wouldn't be earth, because it couldn't have gotten here with all the amazingly complex stuff that we have just by a mere coincidence. It's just stupid to think that.

 

 

One quote. "I think therefore I am."

 

That's exactly my point. We as humans CAN'T COMPREHEND the existance of a God. It is too much for our feeble little minds to wrap around. The simplest thing that we have is either blind faith, believing in a God we cannot see, nor smell, nor taste, nor touch, or simply writing it off as a lie.

[Reflectionist]

1 Cor. 6: 9-11

 

Psalm 19:1-4

 

Wakka, did you block me on AIM?

[twilightcrimson7]

one of my favorite songs ever is called "The Prayer Position" and it's by AFI. The band hasn't said the meaning of it, but people have interpreted the song and basically it's about how people are pushed to believe a region and that's wrong.. people shouldn't pressured and should just see for themselves.

 

 

 

just adding this because it's a religious thread, and this song happens to be one of my favorites and is most likely about religion.

Yeah, Trent (NIN) has a lot of songs with religion in them. Mostly bashing the corruption in christianity and bad aspects of god. Heresy is one of his songs. Hah

 

From Suck:

There is no god up in the sky tonight

No sign of heaven anywhere in sight

All that was true is left behind

Once I could see, now I am blind

Don't want the dreams you try to sell

This disease I give to myself

 

She makes it sweeter than the sun

I get to tight, I come undone

I bow my head to confess

The temple walls are made of flesh

Runs up my arms 'til I'm on track

Itches my skin right off my back

I'll heal your wounds, i'll set you free

I'm Jesus Christ on ecstasy

Thought it was humorous, anyway. He was brought up as Protestant, too. which is more interesting. I guess it's circumstance and human mind.

[twilightcrimson7]

I never claimed all Christians were corrupt. I'm not even saying the religion is corrupt. anything can become corrupted. anything. Religion is usually most suseptable for corruption however. Please don't get offended. I thought I made my opinions clear in my first post. I'm NOT against Christianity.

[Reflectionist]

Nice edit.

 

You went from "The Corrupt Christianity" to 'The corruption in Christianity" to make yourself look better.

 

I'm not offended.

 

 

Am I a man who knows how to love

When you hate what you fear the most

I'll wash your feet as you spit in my face

Hey you, I love your soul

 

I"m gonna love when you hate

You can't outrun or escape this liquid

My life poured out like water

I'm gonna drown you with maddening forgiveness

Hey you, I love your soul

 

Chorus: I can't depend on your hate to define my love

Am I strong enough to love your soul

 

Love doesn't care to receive what it gives

Bleeding compassion to extreme

Love stretches out to die for its enemies

Hey you, I love your soul

[twilightcrimson7]

*sigh* I did that for you. You obviously know what I said. I see no difference in what I said to what I specified for you. Corrupt Christianity and Corruptnes in Christianity is the same thing. I'm not saying Christianity is corrupt. But I can see how that could be easily misinterperated, so I made it more specific for you, so you didn't get the wrong image. I, in NO way did that to make myself look better. If it's one thing I'm not concerned about in here is looking good for people. I'm not here for that.

I'm sorry if you are offended, but there's little I can do to ease your distaste of my words.

My whole wording was origionally intended to convey "those who make christianity corrupt/or that which misuses christianity for evil" I hope that makes sense now

[Reflectionist]

You don't need to do anything 'for' me.

 

I've got it handled, thanks.

[Clogz]

I would like to stay I find it interesting to those who have repsonded. I think you all have very unique ways of looking at it, and I respect that. I hope nobody starts to turn this into an insult fest, because I don't want this to get shut down due to someone being a moron. Anyway, to go on what has been said before, I'm aethist. The problem I have with Chrisianity is this:

 

1. Discriminates against gays

2. Everythign you do, is for a higher being, not for yourself

3. People have used God to start wars, or kill innocent people

4. Why doesn't god send another prophet to earth now? Why did he stop with Muhammad?

5. The devout Christians tend to shun other religions, and not have an open mind to other ones.

6. How did God come to exist?

7. Why can't god be a she?

 

These are a few, but some of the more important reasons why I'm no longer a Christian. Also, if anybody else would like to post about there religion or information on others, then go ahead. I'm trying to keep this thread as open as possible.

 

1. As a Christian, I do not believe in the discrimination of gays. That is, in my opinion wrong. Christianity has taught me to "love your neighbor as thyself", and I do. While I do believe homosexuality is a sin, it will not stop me from getting them into a church or helping them in anyway, or simply being there friend. I don't think religion should be forced on anyone, because God gives us all a choice. And its thier choice to act that way.

 

2. So you want to serve yourself, and no one else? Because that is what it seems like...its not about yielding your life to God completely, its about following his guidance and wisdom. He does give you a very clear choice.

 

3. How is that different from any other religion? How can you claim that is simply a 'christian' problem? You are stereotyping here.

 

4. After Jesus' death on the cross, God's relationship with man changed, and became less divided then it had ever been before. If God wants to speak to someone, he can speak directly to us through the Holy Spirit, instead of prophets and other similar things.

 

5. I am a devout Christian and I do not shun other religions, so your statement is flawed. And like before, how is that different from any other religion. Simply another stereotype.

 

6. You really think you could wrap your mind around that one? You can't even comprehend an all-seeing, all-knowing, omniprecent being, no one can...so don't even go there.

 

7. Why does God have to be any sex at all? Thats a human label.

[twilightcrimson7]

^see, Clogz, that's the kind of attitude I respect in religion. It's pious and pure. It's seriously taken, and you use it for personal strength. There's not harsh extremity of any sort. That's why I'm not bashing christianity. Most followers are like you, and I respect that. And you're right, it is stereotypical these days, to give Christians a bad rap.

Okay so new topic.

I want to know what religion is like in your area. Like, I know where I live, there's a medley of religions, and it's pretty peaceful here, no fighting as far as relgion goes, that I know of. I'd say though, that at least half the population is christian/catholic. yeah. so what about the rest of you? Is there any animosity. And what's the major religion?

[Clogz]

Okay so new topic.

I want to know what religion is like in your area. Like, I know where I live, there's a medley of religions, and it's pretty peaceful here, no fighting as far as relgion goes, that I know of. I'd say though, that at least half the population is christian/catholic. yeah. so what about the rest of you? Is there any animosity. And what's the major religion?

 

My town is tiny, but very close to a much larger one...roughly 60,000 people. That town has roughly 255 churches, no joke. They are everywhere, and every religion is in our town. We have Roman Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Church of God, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Church of Christian Scientists, and Islam. That is just a small taste.

So at least where I come from, strict religious ideas are a bit of a farce...

[twilightcrimson7]

^ Woweh, sounds very dispersed and assimalated o.o

Like I said before, the majority is Christian/catholic. Especially in my town, Itasca. it's ultra-conservative old people. It gets soooo restrictive sometimes. Yeah, but there is a lot of diversity here, compared to other places.

that being said, I'm going to hit the hay...

[Reflectionist]

Well, I don't see what it matters what churches there are in my town, since OBVIOUSLY they're all wrong anyway, so EVERYONE's going to hell.

 

*shrug*

[Clogz]

Well, I don't see what it matters what churches there are in my town, since OBVIOUSLY they're all wrong anyway, so EVERYONE's going to hell.

 

*shrug*

 

Please, man. Come on...if you can't hold yourself back then just drop it, ok? No one can win this, ok? Because no matter where you stand, religion is a topic with hundreds of points of views and trying to convince everyone is simply impossible.

And if not for any of that, then do it so the thread won't get canned, ok?

[Fall_And_Faint]

Yeah, People do have a lot of views, and no matter how simple you try to put it there will be questions that Christians can't answer, I mean Its not like we can remember everything and have everything on hand, Haven't you ever forgot something really important ?

 

There are bad churches seriously horribly bad ones too, It screws up things for good churches that actually believe in the Lord's Word and dosen't try to "Bend It" and do stupid stuff.

 

If I've offened anyone Im sorry, and No we're not all going underworld.

[Reflectionist]

There's no such thing as an unanswerable question. It's just not what they want to hear. So it's fruitless.

 

If it weren't for the fact that people were so stubborn, they might actually listen to us. It's not fair that we have to hold our tongues while the Muslims, and the Pagans and the rest of the people of the world get to spit out their bs.

 

 

If there's no God, there's no Hope. If there's no Hope, you might as well kill yourself. Because there's nothing worth being here for. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

[twilightcrimson7]

I refuse to reply to anything the Reflectionist says, on the grounds that I might get out of hand. So that being said, I'd like to just listen to more discussion on the topic

 

I quote Aldous Huxley now, I love this man, and I agree with him on all ends. <3 I am totally a life-worshiper

 

"A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumor."

 

"A life-worshipper's philosophy is comprehensive. He is at one moment a positivist and at another a mystic: now haunted by the thought of death and now a Dionysian child of nature; now a pessimist and now, with a change of lover or liver or even the weather, an exuberant believer that God's in his heaven and all's right with the world."

 

 

Oh my, I love this quote:

 

 

"You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Dogs do not ritually urinate in the hope of persuading heaven to do the same and send down rain. Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat's meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough."

 

It's so true.

I'll try and find more Huxley quotes later.

[djwakka]

1 Cor. 6: 9-11

 

Psalm 19:1-4

 

Wakka, did you block me on AIM?

 

Yeah, I did just for last night. My friend was in deep shit and i had to talk to her without any potential distractions. Sorry man, don't take it personal, you werent the only one despite the influential things that you might've said.

[Clogz]

There's no such thing as an unanswerable question. It's just not what they want to hear. So it's fruitless.

 

If it weren't for the fact that people were so stubborn, they might actually listen to us. It's not fair that we have to hold our tongues while the Muslims, and the Pagans and the rest of the people of the world get to spit out their bs.

 

 

If there's no God, there's no Hope. If there's no Hope, you might as well kill yourself. Because there's nothing worth being here for. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

 

What happened to turning the other cheek? What happened to God giving people the choice to believe in him if they want? What happened to those beliefs? You are so quick to condemn other ways of thinking, claiming that if they aren't Christian and don't believe in God they are better off dead. Thats just wrong.

God gives everyone a choice, so respect thier right to believe as they wish, weather you agree or not. Because condemning them is condemning a God-given freedom. God wants people to come to him themselves, not by force from him or others.

[LPGotLinkinPark]

I was raised Catholic, but not strictly whatsoever. My family basically stopped going to church for the past couple years, and I developed my own ways of thinking. But even when I went to church and stuff, all I could do is question it. I'm just not the type of person that's going to believe something that big without any proof.

 

There's so much I could say about religion because I have a lot of views on it. Personally, I just don't like organized religion. It usually teaches that you have to do certain things to be worthy of being a good Christian, Muslim, or whatever. To me, all I can see in the point of religion, is to teach good morals. And if I have my morals, then why should I have to believe and practice certain things. I guess you could call me Agnostic. I'm not sure if a God exists or not.

 

As others were saying, I do think Christianity contradicts itself quite a few times. For one, I hate when people say that what the Bible says is always true. Do they not realize that a lot of it was written a hundred years of so after Jesus died? It was written by followers of the religion, so obviously they will leave out anything negative. Women were not really mentioned because they just weren't of high importance at that time. And about the descrimination of gays, a lot of Christians say they don't mind but it's still a sin (which I think is sorta contradictory). How do gays go to hell if God forgives all sins (such as homosexuality)? And if God forgives everyone then why is sinning even wrong? I just don't see the answer to some of these quesitons. And that's only a few.

 

But a lot of my questions on religion are simply because I was never very in to it, so I don't know much about it. My beliefs are the basics of any religion, trying to be a good person. But I don't feel the need to have to answer to a a higher being that I don't even know exists or not.

[twilightcrimson7]

GotLinkinPark?']And if God forgives everyone then why is sinning even wrong?

Good question.