Religion

[Fall_And_Faint]

Honestly never heard ANYONE say Evolution was proven, Just a theory

[Reflectionist]

Then.... why is it such a big deal? Just because there's a possibliity of evolution, that just throws religion out of the window?

 

Like, really, I'm just curious.

[Fall_And_Faint]

Well first off I honestly never believed in Evolution, Im just stating that every "Scientist" or "Professer" Says its a Theory, and they play around with it like it dosent matter.

[djwakka]

I'm not an evolutionist but if evolution was a theory, then shouldn't the creation of Adam and Eve and the entire human race by the power of God also be a theory? I mean, both are basically skeptical hypotheticals of where we came from.

 

Science has theories because they have evidence to believe so. The Big Bang theory has their evidence of color prisms moving outwards even today. Evolution has its doubts on mankind because of the new finds in archaelogy, studies of bones, and history. Science is based on evidence and proof in order to get more knowledge. Remember that science is attempting to achieve an overall good; not to be simplistic and contradict religions.

[Reflectionist]

An an age-oild book has no evidence whatsoever?

 

I just thought of something, but then my mom wanted to listen to Richard Cheese and I forgot it.

 

Hang on.

 

Remember that science is attempting to achieve an overall good; not to be simplistic and contradict religions.

 

That's good, because it's not.

 

And even the Big Bang may have some basis in fact. What is it, that two particles of electrons or something like that just collided in the right way and made everything? Well, who or what made the two little particles?

[Fort_Underground]

The theory of evolution, to me, isn't correct. I think some of it is true, but then again, its disproves itself. My friend gave me an example of a bug (can't remember the type) that enjects poison in its victims when it bites. It stores this in its stomach, however, this is where it gets disprvoed. The theory also states that if a race has no use for a creatain part, it will get rid of it. Well, if it evovled a stomach, it would have no use for it, and thereofre lose it. And if it eveolved the poision, then it would paralyze itself. So yes, the theory of evolution isn't entirely correct, and this is probably a reason why people turn to religion. They offer an explanation about the past, and people always want answers.

 

And Ref, I don't think anyone can answer your question. The entire universe will take a long time to explore, hell, our galaxy will take a long long time before we can map it or understand it. And then of course, there are other galaxys. And not to mention we don't have any clue about what true reality is. So until we can answer all of these questions, then we can answer yours.

[KillMeImIrish]

evolution is dumb. the end.

 

 

ok, so what if we Christians ARE wrong? what if there's no heaven or hell... and we all just... biodegrade (whatever that means) into the earth? what if the Bible isn't true? that all we're living is a lie? .... ok? so we're "missing out" on life? the fun? all the excitement? totally wrong. we're having tons of fun.. it doesn't take a bottle of alcohol and a joint of weed to have fun.

 

but what if we ARE right? then we're safe when we die and life wasn't just a "waste." whew! what's there to lose in living for God? nothing. not fun. not excitement.. nothing.

 

 

EDIT: that last paragraph sounded bad. christianity isnt just "fire insurance." it IS a life devoted to Christ and we should want to serve Him and live for Him... but i'm just saying... in a dying sense (no pun intended), we're safe. ok, better.

[Reflectionist]

Don't forget money, we lost the money we spent on Bibles... lol

[KillMeImIrish]

Don't forget money' date=' we lost the money we spent on Bibles... lol[/quote']

 

we buy one Bible every.... however many years. people spend tons of money on alcohol and other material things every day, week, month.. whatever. so "losing" money on Bibles is a lot less expensive than losing money on materialistic things. not that we all, christian or not, dont spend money on materialistic things.. ok, im just.. not making sense anymore. so im stopping.

[Reflectionist]

That's true. that did make sense.

[Fall_And_Faint]

Not to mention how all the people that are "Coked" up and "Drunks" seem to have a horrible life. I just don't get that if you see what became of them, Why even attempt to take a chance of becoming that yourself.

[KillMeImIrish]

yeah, i agree. i didn't mean for my post to make it sound like everyone who isn't a christian is a drunk or whatever. because that's not at all what i think. im just throwing out some ideas of what life can be like without God, for some people.

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

^^ Yeah. But I don't think it's cool to tell somebody to kill himself just because he doesn't believe in God or Jesus!

I think the point he was trying to make, is if you don't have hope why live? Religion gives purpose in life. If you are not religious, where do you obtain hope from? why do you live? what gives you purpose? What is existence? etc

[Fall_And_Faint]

I was only saved a year ago, but before I found God I honestly only use to live for people, to help them, now I found God, I have even a better reason and fuel to help people.

[Fort_Underground]

If thats what you want to believe Fall and Faint, then fine by me. But I believe in living for oneself. I think everything you do should be made by you and not have any interference, wheater it be from a friend, spiritual leader, etc. But whatever you do, do it because you believe you should do it, not because it's what right to another person.

[Reflectionist]

THe first four words of the Satanic Bible are 'Do what you Will"

 

It's kind of selfish to have that kind of thought, fort. Even as a non-Christian.

 

Fall / Faint dude - do what you're doing, you're doin' fine.

[acdcrules04]

I think the point he was trying to make' date=' is if you don't have hope why live? Religion gives purpose in life. If you are not religious, where do you obtain hope from? why do you live? what gives you purpose? What is existence? etc[/quote']

 

We exist simply to exist. Or maybe our world is just a tiny box in some labortory where giant rats throw some curve balls at us for the hell of it. I had a dream like that once. Anywho, existance to to amuse someone obiously, so it's either us or giant rats in lab coats, or maybe we are living in the matrix and the movie was made by a bunch of people that were trying to warn us. The point I'm trying to make is I don't know, and I prefer it that way. If I knew that would take a lot of the fun out of life, the mystery would be gone.

[djwakka]

Not to mention how all the people that are "Coked" up and "Drunks" seem to have a horrible life. I just don't get that if you see what became of them' date=' Why even attempt to take a chance of becoming that yourself.[/quote']

 

Yeah, so we should all blindly follow a religion without question in order to save us from drug use and alcohol? I find it extremely ironic since, in fact, Alcoholics Anonymous is probably the most Christian-based rehabilitation programs existing today.

 

And what's with this bullshit that says that if I don't believe in god, I have no hope in my life. Trust me, that statement could not be more false. I have a promising future of hopes and dreams because of who I am, not based on the fact of whether or not I'm religious. And since I'm a "non-believer," all of a sudden I'm selfish? Because I do the right things and do good for others from the depths of my heart instead of from what some book or priest tells me to do, I'm selfish? I don't need a reason to help people, people.

 

"I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever."

-Daniel J. Boorsitn

[KillMeImIrish]

Yeah' date=' so we should all blindly follow a religion without question in order to save us from drug use and alcohol? [b']I find it extremely ironic since, in fact, Alcoholics Anonymous is probably the most Christian-based rehabilitation programs existing today.[/b]

 

And what's with this bullshit that says that if I don't believe in god, I have no hope in my life. Trust me, that statement could not be more false. I have a promising future of hopes and dreams because of who I am, not based on the fact of whether or not I'm religious. And since I'm a "non-believer," all of a sudden I'm selfish? Because I do the right things and do good for others from the depths of my heart instead of from what some book or priest tells me to do, I'm selfish? I don't need a reason to help people, people.

 

"I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever."

-Daniel J. Boorsitn

 

1. i dont get this statement. the only thing Christian about AAA is the fact that the christians are the ones helping the alcoholics. i doubt thats what you were getting at, though... since you're all... "boo christianity."

 

2. i seriously doubt the whole "no hope" thing is something they find personally within their life.. not your's. i could be wrong, but i dont think they're saying that if NO ONE has God, EVERYONE should feel like there's no hope in their life. think or ask before you jump to conclusions.

 

you're just like reflectionist.. you get mad when people disagree with you and share their opinions. calm down and accept the fact that someone feels differently about a certain subject than you do. we're not trying to shove it down your throat or trying to make you a certain way. maybe some people are, but not all of us. we're stating our feelings and opinions about all this stuff. don't take it so offensively. you act like we're aiming it RIGHT at you. we're not, so move on with life.

[djwakka]

Well, if you read the thread from front to back, it does seem like it's aimed at the very few people that don't believe in God in this forum. It's just... Me, Fort, maybe ACDC, defending our opinions against the rest of the people participating here.

 

About the AA thing, it's great that the Christians are helping out but... I was getting at if you were Christian in the first place, isn't faith supposed to prevent you from doing those things? It's messed up that you go there, and you're not Christian, they sway you to become one, saying that "Only a higher power, God" can help you overcome your weakness with alcohol.

 

And the whole hopeless-ness without God theory has been preached since the first pages of the thread. I was just addressing it now since somebody brought it up again.

 

And I don't know why you're calling me stubborn and comparing me to Reflectionist. I absorbed a lot of ideas in this thread and took them into consideration. I even nodded along when you said that the Bible was a metephorical book showing how to live your life. I'm defending my own opinions and ideas as well. We are the ones thinking different from the mainstream; not you. That's why we're more obligated to express our opinions.

[misspiggy]

right now im not so sure what i believe in but i do now that i believe in something. like there are some times where i feel like that there is a God but then there are times i believe there isnt. but i also believe in reincarnation and that everything has a spirit and with every spirit there is an opposing demon. but if there is one thing i dont like about religion are the people who constanly try to prove other religions wrong and want to prove that their religion is the superior and the right faith and those who constantly preach to others of a different religion to convert them but overall i think religion is good for those who are happy in being who they are. its good but sometimes it can also be bad.

[Reflectionist]

Hey I didn't get mad!

[Fall_And_Faint]

Well last time I checked I didnt say you had to turn to religion, I never even considered doing that crap before I got saved, It's just stupid period.

 

And some Christian's lifes are run by the Devil and they act it all out, If you want the truth, yes there are very few chritians that follow everything to the letter, Im not there yet but Im trying to, I don't do anything stupid to end up in AAA. Oh and if you didn't notice sometimes only God can help certain people

 

Believe this or not, Im not typing for my health

 

A lil' girl that was doped up on Coke or Herion (I cant remember) she was so bad that the rehibilitation center couldnt help her and they had to place her in a Isylum (Spelt Wrong) for her saftey of killing herself. I didnt get all the details but I do remember her finding God one day (I dont know who or how) and she was singing in the Choir, completley free and happy.

 

Seriously Believe it or not It's up to you.

[Brkng_Th_Hbt]

This is what I don't get:

 

Everyone says: "There has to be a God! I feel him! I know 100% that he's there!"

 

A lot of people say that.

 

But what about every other religion? Don't they feel something too? They have to. I think it's possible that your mind believe what ever you want it to.

 

Me, on the other hand, can't control what I think. I have no faith in anything, and I hate it. I'm always thinking negative thought, and I can't help it. (Now I'm branching off into phycology.........)

[Fort_Underground]

First, let me respond, then I'll go in detail

 

THe first four words of the Satanic Bible are 'Do what you Will"

 

It's kind of selfish to have that kind of thought, fort. Even as a non-Christian.

 

 

I myself don't think its selfish to do what you belive in. I think everything you do should be done because you wnat to. How is that selfish? Bye that, the only way to be un-selfish would be to do what others want you to do, and I don't like that at all. You are one, you are unique, you think, therefore you exist. If you can't make your own decesions, then I suggest you learn how.

 

Does anyone else think its selfish to do what you believe in? I just don't see how. People should makes their own decesions, not have a higher being or friend or anything/one decide for them. I also think that if you truely believe in something, you will die for it. If what you believe in could happen, but it would require you taking your life, would you do it? I myself am searching for a cause for which I can put my full belief and trust behind, along with my life.

 

"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.

 

I was watching the Discovery Channel yesterday, and they had a special thing about Jesus. History shows that the odds were Jesus wasn't born in a manger, and that he wasn't surronded by strangers. Also there is no way he was born in December, the Palestin winter at night create incredibly cold tempertures. I just thought this was interesting, not trying to diss Christianity

 

Also, is anyone doing anything special for Easter Sunday? My family decedid to have a party here, but just a party, not a Christian party.