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How exactly was I out of line? I posted a pic which did say what the bible teaches' date='[/i'] minus the exposure warning. I didn't publish that drawing, I merely posted it. So if you want to shoot the messenger, then go ahead. But you need to give me a reason to apoligize first before I will.

 

That is libel. That is a lie. That had no business being in the thread. I stand by you went too far. Even I would not balatantly attack another religion. I would only try to encourage my own. You were out of line. End of story. End of conversation. Good day to you.

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^ Ok. I see you were offended by it, and I'm taking it a few others were, mainly the person who deleted it. Anway, I didn't mean to post that as an attack on Christianity, and I'm sorry if it offended anyone on the forum. But Ref, not everything on that was a lie. If you remember it, the middle part was true, about what it teaches inside. The Exposure warning was out of line, and I will say that didn't need to be there. Let's put this behind us, as it was before, ok?

 

And yes Wakka, I don't believe the bible says "Do not draw Jesus". But remember, Muhammad was supposed to be a reincarnation of God, so I guess it would be like someone trying to draw god. I don't know of any Christian in history that has tried that, so I think that's why they take it so seriously, that and its in the Quran.

 

Anyone else notice this has become a debate between 5 people? I would really like it if other people cam in again, Twi hasnt posted in a while, Victim just posted his views, as did Rav. Anyone wanna post here please do, I don't want this to turn into a debate.

 

Also - Nice job on my SC Ref, it shows me your angry at me.

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Anyone else notice this has become a debate between 5 people? I would really like it if other people cam in again, Twi hasnt posted in a while, Victim just posted his views, as did Rav. Anyone wanna post here please do, I don't want this to turn into a debate.

 

Well debates are good. They build character as long as the argument avoids being immature and senselessly aggressive. Think hard. :thumbsup: http://www.life-remixed.com/forum/index.php?action=forum

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Anyone else notice this has become a debate between 5 people? I would really like it if other people cam in again, Twi hasnt posted in a while, Victim just posted his views, as did Rav. Anyone wanna post here please do, I don't want this to turn into a debate.

 

 

haha, i love debating. i'm not so great at it, but i love it nonetheless.

 

but yeah, it'd be nice if some others would put their two cents in, as well.. there hasn't been anything in a while that i've wanted to comment on. come on people!

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Mohamed was not supposed to be the reincarnation of God. A reason a lot of people don't like Islam is because we don't believe Jesus is the son of God, nor do we think he is God. In Islam, Jesus, Mohamed, Moses and all the others were just prophets chosen by God to carry the message of monotheism to their people.

"I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want"

 

-Muhammed Ali

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^ I see monk. It's just Muhammad had the holy city be Mecca. And is it also true you guys pray 5 time a day to the city? Do they like stop work/school so you can pray?

 

Also, I myself am fine with this being a debate, I just wanted this to be as open as possible. And as longs as this stays on topic and doesn't get out of hand, I'll be fine with it. Interesting thing today, one of my friends, who likes to have a cyncial view on life, said something funny. The really devout Christians, that follow the bible without question and are very passionate, say that your going to hell if you don't believe in God. Now I know the bible says this, but look at the fake convesation you can have:

 

Guy - So I'm going to hell because I don't belive in god?

Christian - Yes

Guy - So who wrote the bible?

Christian - Well, they are writings of many people...

Guy - Who wrote Genesis?

Christian - Moses?

Guy - So Moses was standing by God when he created the universe and the first man? Yet though, Moses would be the first man before Adam.

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^ it was different then than it is now. God spoke to his people in Bible times.. if you "saw" God speaking to someone now, you'd probably crap your pants. so no, Moses wasn't standing right next to God when he created everything. but God spoke to Moses and told him what to write. i know, it sounds cheesy, but it happened.

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About the FU part?

 

no, i wasn't mad at you, i just didn't want to type out fort underground. ha ha

 

 

i'm in a hotel in St Louis on a band trip (yay band) and will be back later, i'll edit this post with beter grammar then.

 

ciao

 

jake

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^ Ah ok then. Lol our band trips arent till November, but I get to miss 3 days of school.

 

Also Irish, I thought the bible was published by Christians, not actual historical figures themselves. Also, they wrote it 40 years after Jesus death, so that also leaves a big time period in between things. Also, why doesn't God speak through people now? Why doesn't he do the same miracles he did before? Why doesn't he do what he used to do now?

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I got the book "Misquoting Jesus: The stoary Behind Who Change the Bible and Why" yesterday. Gonna start it on Monday, but I am looking forward to it. to read of the back of the book:

 

In Misquoting Jesus Ehrman reveals that:

 

The King James Bible was based on corrupted and inferior manuscripts that in many cases do no accurately represent the meaning of the original text.

 

The favorite Bible story of Jesus's forgiving the woman caught in adultery (John 8:3-11) doesn't belong in the Bible

 

Scirbal errors were so common in antiquity that the author of the Book of Revelation threatened damnation to anyone who "adds to" or "takes away" words from the text.

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Is that really what you think?

 

Is everything a big scam to you? Do you trust anybody? Holy hell. You think that everyone who is trying to help, or, maybe not help, but just... not hurt you is just out to get you and screw your life over.

 

Well, the Bible doesn't work like that. It's not a conspiracy. Why do you think it is? There are wierd people in every form. Even Christians. But if you think that the whole lot of them are fake because a couple of them are, then.... well.... that's just really shallow.

 

Come to think of it, man, there's not a whole lot you've done in this thread that couldn't be considered shallow.

 

The favorite Bible story of Jesus's forgiving the woman caught in adultery (John 8:3-11) doesn't belong in the Bible

 

So the book you're reading was written by a mysoginizt atheist. That's great. It's also biased. Is this man God? No. Who is he to judge what should be in the Bible or not? What room does he have to talk?

 

That's like saying, I don't think Magic should be in Harry Potter, or something like that.

 

Shallow. Indeed.

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So the book you're reading was written by a mysoginizt atheist. That's great. It's also biased. Is this man God? No. Who is he to judge what should be in the Bible or not? What room does he have to talk?

Then the same should go for all pro-Bible books and the Bible itself. I can flip it with the same attitude: "Of course God is fair and right, a devout Christian wrote this book." We should discredit them because it was written by people supporting Christianity, therefore it's biased and should be disregarded completely. Is that the right thing to do?

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It should. But no. You could not be farther from the truth.

 

II Peter 1:19-21

19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

II Peter 1:19-21 - 'The Message' contemp. translation

19We couldn't be more sure of what we saw and heard--God's glory, God's voice. The prophetic Word was confirmed to us. You'll do well to keep focusing on it. It's the one light you have in a dark time as you wait for daybreak and the rising of the Morning Star in your hearts. 20The main thing to keep in mind here is that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of private opinion. 21And why? Because it's not something concocted in the human heart. Prophecy resulted when the Holy Spirit prompted men and women to speak God's Word.

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It should. But no. You could not be farther from the truth.

 

That truth is your opinion. Speaking as if your belief is the true and only one is ignorant and shallow. You can't prove Christianity is more right than it is assumed to be with even more Christianity. How do you dry up a wet carpet? With more water?

 

So maybe in the QuRan, the Torah, (insert holy scripture here) had a person, (religious character here), who said that they had no doubt that a god, a prophet, (insert ultimate religious character here) existed. What does that prove? It proves that hey, Peter believes that Jesus and God exist.

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:-)

 

Do I think my job is to convince you anyway?

 

There's also another verse that says 'Do not cast your pearls at swine.' I've done my job. You won't accept it, so why try?

 

If Christianity is false, that's not my problem. There is no other religion that has any 'consequence' that I fear. If Christianity is true, then you, my friend, have very large problems. Take it, or leave it.

 

I honestly, could no longer care less where you go when you die.

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Do I think my job is to convince you anyway?

My job is only to help spread the Truth. you don't have to believe it. That's your own choice.

 

Gee, I wish those Jesus recruiters and Jehova's Witnesses coming at my door every once in a while were more like you.

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Also Irish' date=' I thought the bible was published by Christians, not actual historical figures themselves. Also, they wrote it 40 years after Jesus death, so that also leaves a big time period in between things. Also, why doesn't God speak through people now? Why doesn't he do the same miracles he did before? Why doesn't he do what he used to do now?[/quote']

 

yeah, it was published by Christians. not writtenby them. i mean, yeah Moses and Peter and all them were Christians, but differently than now. God spoke to them. I don't want to say they necessarily had it easier than we do now, but in a way, they did. we have to trust by faith that God is real and Christianity, as a whole, is.. real. they had God to tell them what to do. yeah, they had to make decisions just like us, but.. well, i don't really know what i'm getting at anymore, so i'm stopping. i think you get the point. and if you don't, oh well. it makes sense in my head.

 

but anyways.. what does writing it 40 years after Jesus' death have to do with anything? do you think God "died" along with Jesus? well.. he didn't. he still spoke to His people... which means He spoke to them telling them what to write in the Bible.

 

Honestly, i don't know why God doesn't speak to us now. but like i said before, wouldn't it be weird if you were walking down the street and you saw someone talking to God? MY guess is that the reason he doesn't do the things he did then is because things are different now. lifestyles have, obviously, changed... a lot.

 

i'm tired of arguing this with you people. no matter what we say, there's something wrong with it. who cares if everything "doesn't make sense." a lot of things in life don't.. but you do them anyway. what have you got to lose? friendships? alcohol and drugs? music? friends can be replaced. alcohol and drugs just screw you over in the end anyway. music... there's always more out there just as good. yeah, i don't know everything about Christianity. actually, i hardly know anything. but i'm just giving you guys what i do know. so what if i can't answer all your questions? does that make me a "fake?" ... not so much.

 

 

and Ref- i like some of your opinions and views on things, but i don't think you're really portraying the best christian attitude to these people. above, you said "holy hell." wow.. i haven't really met a true christian who likes to cuss. yeah, hell is a place, but it doesn't have to be a term. and i think i recall seeing you say other.. not so christian things before. if you want to lead these people in the right direction, at least be a real example to them.

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Did I blaspheme the name of Christ? No. Did I utter a stream of profanities that would make everyone wonder if I had Teret's? No.

 

It means I am human. It means I don't fear profanity. The profane words are just that: words. Look at my sig. Emotions go deeper than words. You know what else? It also means I'm a sinner just like everyone else. I'm not out to say 'I'm better than you because I'm Christian,' because I'm not. If you think you're better than everyone else, because you are, then... well, think that, I guess, but, nobody is going to enter Heaven under the guidance of an arrogant Christian.

 

He who is without sin, cast the first stone, no?

 

What reason does anyone have to even want to be Christian if all the Christians they know are so 'holier than thou' people?

 

I strive to be like Christ. I do. But I'm not Christ, am I?

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Did I blaspheme the name of Christ? No. Did I utter a stream of profanities that would make everyone wonder if I had Teret's? No.

 

It means I am human. It means I don't fear profanity. The profane words are just that: words. Look at my sig. Emotions go deeper than words. You know what else? It also means I'm a sinner just like everyone else. I'm not out to say 'I'm better than you because I'm Christian,' because I'm not. If you think you're better than everyone else, because you are, then... well, think that, I guess, but, nobody is going to enter Heaven under the guidance of an arrogant Christian.

 

He who is without sin, cast the first stone, no?

 

What reason does anyone have to even want to be Christian if all the Christians they know are so 'holier than thou' people?

 

I strive to be like Christ. I do. But I'm not Christ, am I?

 

yeah, even christians make mistakes. but it seems like the way you talk about christianity isn't the way you live it. you don't have to be "holier than thou" to be a good example.

 

if you're going to say "un christian like" things... at least say them outside of a thread where you're trying to lead people to believe your religion is the "right" one.

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^ no. which is worse. you could LIE and be all "goody" on the internet, but not even act like that in real life. if you don't act like that on the internet, i'm not sure i want to know how you live in reality.

 

but then again, who's to judge? not i.

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It means I am human. It means I don't fear profanity. The profane words are just that: words. Look at my sig. Emotions go deeper than words. You know what else?

 

...

 

I strive to be like Christ. I do. But I'm not Christ, am I?

 

Sorry but I kind of wanted to go off topic with this because I'm open minded and heavy on the philisophical side.

 

It seems to me that creation comes from imperfection, a kind of striving, and frustration. And this is where I believe language came from. It basically came from our desire to transcend our isolation and have some sort of connection with one another. It was probably easy like coming up with simple survival skills like water; we came up with a sound for that. Or a lion behind you, we came up with a sound for that too.

It becomes interesting when you realize that we use that same system of symbols to communicate all the abstract and intangible things that we experience. Like, what is frustration or anger? What is love? Faith? Religion? And not until recently, we have expressed words of offense, insult, discrimination, etc. Where did fuck derive from? Perhaps a strive from one to emphasize something in a great proportion of hatred. Sorry to go off on a tangent, anyway. It wasn't aimed at anyone but when I saw you guys discussing words and profanity, a spark went off in my head.

 

If Christianity is false, that's not my problem. There is no other religion that has any 'consequence' that I fear. If Christianity is true, then you, my friend, have very large problems. Take it, or leave it.

So one of the reasons you believe in Christianity is because you fear the unknown wraith that you may experience if you don't believe in it?

 

I guess history repeats itself. Adolf Hitler was able to eliminate more than two million Jews and establish a hate group known as the Third Reich. He used fear to manipulate and crush his political opponents and gained power through his powerful oratory skills, eventually getting the support of millions of Germans and the European peoples belonging to the Axis nations. Even the United States supported the rise of the Third Reich by doing absolutely nothing. They intervened not to stop genoicide and save innocent lives, but because Germany had a plan for new world order that America didn't agree with. And I haven't even mentioned Stalin, Hussein, Castro, Bush.

 

Fear is able to control the masses and keep them on a political or religous leash in this case. I thought people constantly told Christian children that Hell exists if you don't act accordingly just to get them to behave. But now, the majority of the world population believe in Christianity. But without a doubt, it has equal or less principles and values than other religions, but unlike the other religions, if you lack faith or you sin in this one, you're going to the firey pits of Hell. Hey, i bet that's a great choice to make. Would you like the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right? Oh, but if you don't choose the puppet on the left, you're going to suffer for eternity later. Some "free choice." 2039 million and dropping.

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Sorry but I kind of wanted to go off topic with this because I'm open minded and heavy on the philisophical side.

 

Translation - I don't have an arguement against this.

 

 

 

It seems to me that creation comes from imperfection, a kind of striving, and frustration. And this is where I believe language came from. It basically came from our desire to transcend our isolation and have some sort of connection with one another. It was probably easy like coming up with simple survival skills like water; we came up with a sound for that. Or a lion behind you, we came up with a sound for that too.

It becomes interesting when you realize that we use that same system of symbols to communicate all the abstract and intangible things that we experience. Like, what is frustration or anger? What is love? Faith? Religion? And not until recently, we have expressed words of offense, insult, discrimination, etc. Where did fuck derive from? Perhaps a strive from one to emphasize something in a great proportion of hatred. Sorry to go off on a tangent, anyway. It wasn't aimed at anyone but when I saw you guys discussing words and profanity, a spark went off in my head.

 

Uh... great? I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, and frankly, being philosophical isn't about trying to string a bunch of unrelated concepts together with big words to give people the impression that you know what you're talking about... So... don't do it again, it didn't really work. Just to get back ON topic, since, there wouldn't be a topic if you could just rant on whatever you wanted to.... this is about religion, not language.

 

And what you said about consequences just made me laugh out loud. Seriously, you people would do anything just to say something against Christianity, but... you haven't really said anything against it, except... well.... paraphrasing that you aren't Christians. Very good.

 

Other religions this.... other religions that... well, guess what?

 

Other religions are wrong.

 

Other religions offer ZERO hope for anyone. At least Christianity offers a Guaranteed option of going to Heaven.

 

This thread isn't even worth having if all we're going to do is bicker and argue. No matter what religion is right, fighting is not a good thing. So, just drop it. I'm a Christian, I know what I believe. You're....a conspiracy theorist and you just try to disprove what everyone believes, regardless of what proof, wether it be physical, spiritual, or emotional.

 

You won't change.

 

I won't change.

 

Screw the thread. Okay?

 

And don't even get me started on how much Hitler and Bush are alike, because I could write pages. Dachau / Gitmo, Enabling Act / Patriot Act. Reichstag Fire, Sept 11th, I could go on forever.

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