Abortion [Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life]

[Chris]

well if you don't want children untill your older........DON'T HAVE SEX!!!! but nooooooo women and men don't think of that because there is always abortion if your not carefull!!!!!

Or people have safe sex because they wanna have sex and make love and show their love instead of words and flowers. And if something..ehh.. slipped through then its the choice to the woman.

[Phranka]

basically I'm against cause that could have been a person with a normal life. period

[Epidemic]

You guys got to remember it's a very weird world we live in,

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14244657

 

Forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn't want to have is rape. Having an abortion is murder.

Rape vs Murder? Well, the lesser of 2 evils is Rape. Make her have the baby then hand the kid over to social services. Any woman willing to have an abortion wouldn't make a good mother anyway.

 

Of course there's a million different situations that could affect the decision. But I can't think of a single situation where it's 100% the womans decision. She should have to talk to at least 2 doctors. Just being able to pop a pill is too easy a way to end a life.

 

When you want to adopt a baby, you have to go through a screening process. They should have a similar process for the woman. If she can give birth to the baby without major harm to herself, her mind and her life in general, rape her. After that if she doesn't want the baby no one is going to force her to be a mother.

 

Surgical abortion with permission of 2 doctors, yes.

Quicky abortion with no reason given to the dco, no.

Abortion pill, no.

[Penguinscanfly_88]

I am Pro-Life...Cuz its like...That so called "fetus" has its own genetic code separate from its mothers that instant it is conceived...therefore abortion of any kind is murder...

[Penguinscanfly_88]

That was her choice, but some people like to have their children when they're older.

 

 

She's taking her own life aswell. Chance of good carees thrown away by a baby.

 

So everybody's talking about souls and all that, so if you 'murder' the baby the soul goes away and finds another body. hey, problem solved.

 

 

THAT is totally untrue...the soul doesnt find another body....it goes to Heaven and never has a chance at life....Its sad really...makes me wanna cry....

[Friðbjörn]

THAT is totally untrue...the soul doesnt find another body....it goes to Heaven and never has a chance at life....Its sad really...makes me wanna cry....

1. You can't prove that or disprove.

2. Because of that, he obviously has his right to opinion on the matter.

3. Don't double post. Next time I'll delete.

[azemkamikaze03]

If a foetus doesn't have a heartbeat and a brain until what, 8 weeks or something, then how can it have a soul, if humans actually do have one, or something like it?

This thing we call a soul, is really just neurological (word?) activity in our brain.

Isn't it via our "soul" that we get angry? When we get angry, it's because of certain chemistry happening in our brain.

 

When you where two months old chances are you wouldn't care if your mother was dieing or not. It's becuase the younger you are the less developed your brain/soul is. So just becuase a 2 week old embryo can't show emotion or thought does not mean it does not have it.

 

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Now I am not trying to be gross, I am just saying. If you seriously want to "showy your love" and feel sex is the only way you can do it. But you don't want to have a child. Then there are are ways/positions you can have sex (eg anal and oral) I mean. Yeah, if you are really that desperate to show your love then I am sure this is a worthy substitute. I really doubt somethings as to which hole it is inserted in will matter.

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

Abortion should only be allowed for cases of Rape or if the woman could die from giving birth.

 

The child would suffer the concequences later in life if he/she was unwanted. Morever, as it was not concentual, the woman may not be ready, financial problems could cause concern and the child may not have a proper upbringing. Adoption seems to be what most anti-abortion people say, but seriously, giving birth is fucking painful (mostly anyway), why would a woman have to go through that if she was raped? she wasn't ready for any of the responsibilities or the pain she'd suffer throughout the years.

 

If the womans life was at risk, she should be given the choice to save her own life. Most likely, the woman would anyway take the risk and give birth, but still, the woman having the baby is much more important imo. Plus the husband/partner may not be able to raise a child on his own. I know i'd be upset knowing that my mother died to give birth to me.

[azemkamikaze03]

True it is painfully. But C-Section works. There are new methods to ease the pain. If she goes ahead and aborts some might say she is just as bad as the rapist himself. Becuase she is willing allowing another child to die. It's been proven that the majority of mothers that procede with Abortions (at a younger age) obtain phsycological problems later on in life associated with Abortion. God knows the last thing we need is more crazy people out on the streets.

 

Another thought to ponder is that there is no exact definition/moment when a child is consider human. Therefore it is open for opinion. Some believe that the minute the sperm cell starts to fertilize it's a baby, while others believe they are not truthfully a human being until they actually are born and "outta the hole". Therefore if abortion was allowed we would have to allow women to abort anywhere from 1 week to 9 month old child. Is that okay? That we kill off a 8 and 1/2 year old child? Becuase the minute you say you stand up for abortion you stand up for this. You can't say oh I agree with women having the rights to choose (unless the baby is 6 weeks or more older). That's basically hypocracy. If we allow abortion some people's beliefs on when a child is human/living vary therefore we have to allow all women an equal right to abort. (At least under the American Constitutional Law we do.)

[Chris]

1. You can't prove that or disprove.

2. Because of that, he obviously has his right to opinion on the matter.

3. Don't double post. Next time I'll delete.

Thank you, I was about freak out.

[BlOnDe4Lp]

i'm pro choice.. its the girl's own choice, not anyone else's and sometimes people just don't have any other choice. like, what about a young girl and her parents were going to kick her out if she kept the baby? and she had no other place to stay? then what would happen? what's wrong is the fact that A LOT of people just throw abortion around like its nothing and have them over and over again and i completely disagree with that but it should be kept legal for those few cases where there is no other option.

[Friðbjörn]

When you where two months old chances are you wouldn't care if your mother was dieing or not. It's becuase the younger you are the less developed your brain/soul is. So just becuase a 2 week old embryo can't show emotion or thought does not mean it does not have it.

lol

less brain=less soul (sounds stupid but you know what I mean) was exactly what I was talking about...

 

but I meant more about whether the foetus has a soul, not whether and when you're able to have emotions.

I believe infants are pretty smart, they just don't have the physical abilities to use their intelligence.

[LPpinkfreak821]

Yes I do. I do in fact think I have seen some. I however don't believe a body can possess a soul' date=' without a brain. But that's just my opinion.[/quote']

 

so then how do ghost and spirits live on with out a brain? No physical matter to hold onto!? So in fact a soul could be given to an unborn child even if it is just cells. it does not have to have a physical matter to hold on to because ghost and spirits don't either... right!?

 

 

You asked her to prove that the soul goes to "heaven" and doesn't get a change to live. Prove that it doesn't.

 

I'll I have to say is that it takes one mentally disturbed person to have an abortion. That is a life your killing whether you like it or not. Think about the things that child could do with his/her life. Think about it. Any child that isn't wanted could be given up for adoption. Any woman [no matter the age] who has an abortion is not worthy of EVER becoming a parent.

 

Abortion should only be right if someone was raped. But I also think that that girl should have proof that she was indeed raped. You people amaze me. Abortion is wrong. I dont think I could EVER go through with it. Even if I was raped... I couldn't do it. Thats a soul, a life, a child.

It's not a toy. It's not something you can just throw away. Obviously, people seem to think that it is, but it's not. Your NOT a god. Therefore you dont have the right to choose whether something lives or dies even if it's before the birth. That child has no say in whether you kill it or not. Fuetus, cells, heartbeat... whatever.. IT'S STILL A CHILD.

That child... that baby doesn't get to say on whether he/she wants to die. I bet you would if you were in that situation. You'd want a say in whether you live or die. That child doesn't get the say becuase to you he's a mistake. And anyone to call a child a mistake is certianly not worthy at all.

[BlOnDe4Lp]

well the way everyone is talking about it.. does having a soul really mean that you're alive? i mean, if you look at christian beliefs your soul goes up to heaven when you die and well.. the person who once contained that sould is dead.. so really kinda its saying that you kill a soul instead of a person and that's not really murder.. i don't think. er.. maybe i'm just not making much sense. i can't really say what i'm trying to say in words.

[Sygy]

this may sound i bit weird after thinking alot i have come to a kinda strange thought.

what if we are not born with souls but we have to earn one, like build one during our life? Like we are born without anything like a blank convass and empty void for a soul. But what we have to do is create one along the way. i dont know how to explain myself with is frustraing me. erm...like with each good deed we do we like earn soul kudos.ermm...so your souls grows with ur sense or morality. so seeing as baby are born as blank canvasses with no objection to what is write and wrong then abortion in my point of view is moralily ok.....

 

please ignore me, i dont know what the fuck im talking about...

[LPpinkfreak821]

well the way everyone is talking about it.. does having a soul really mean that you're alive? i mean' date=' if you look at christian beliefs your soul goes up to heaven when you die and well.. the person who once contained that sould is dead.. so really kinda its saying that you kill a soul instead of a person and that's not really murder.. i don't think. er.. maybe i'm just not making much sense. i can't really say what i'm trying to say in words.[/quote']

 

Ok... if you do look at it that way... if you kill a soul then you killed the human body it belonged to. That's murder. Whether or not the soul lives on. It does not live on earth with other people. It does not get a chance to inneract with humans. A soul is inside and attached to a human body until it dies and then after that... I dont think anyone is sure what happens.

Therfore a body [that is made of cells & organisms] that is killed even before birth with lose its soul/spirit. So it is murder because if you kill a soul then you killed the human it was attached to. Therfore [under law] you have committed murder whether or not the human had actually been born or not.

 

 

 

this may sound i bit weird after thinking alot i have come to a kinda strange thought.

what if we are not born with souls but we have to earn one, like build one during our life? Like we are born without anything like a blank convass and empty void for a soul. But what we have to do is create one along the way. i dont know how to explain myself with is frustraing me. erm...like with each good deed we do we like earn soul kudos.ermm...so your souls grows with ur sense or morality. so seeing as baby are born as blank canvasses with no objection to what is write and wrong then abortion in my point of view is moralily ok.....

 

please ignore me, i dont know what the fuck im talking about...

 

 

So what you just said practically means that if a baby who passed away a few days after being born doesn't have a soul. Therfore he never lived. Which doesn't make any since, but okay.

[Sygy]

 

So what you just said practically means that if a baby who passed away a few days after being born doesn't have a soul. Therfore he never lived. Which doesn't make any since, but okay.

 

dont say that i didnt warn you that i make no sense what so ever

[LPpinkfreak821]

dont say that i didnt warn you that i make no sense what so ever

 

lol. well it was an interesting theory.

[Sygy]

lol. well it was an interesting theory.

 

haha dont try to make me feel better LOL i know im a dingbat

 

dingbat and proud

[LPpinkfreak821]

haha dont try to make me feel better LOL i know im a dingbat

 

dingbat and proud

 

I was only speaking the truth. It was very interesting and somewhat entertaining. Everyone is a dingbat at times [i know I can be like that... a lot]

[Sygy]

hahaha LOL thanx

[BlOnDe4Lp]

holy cow some of this stuff is just WAY over my head. i think we're getting into more spiritual death of a person than abortion in general, don't you think..?

[Friðbjörn]

so then how do ghost and spirits live on with out a brain? No physical matter to hold onto!? So in fact a soul could be given to an unborn child even if it is just cells. it does not have to have a physical matter to hold on to because ghost and spirits don't either... right!?

 

 

You asked her to prove that the soul goes to "heaven" and doesn't get a change to live. Prove that it doesn't.

haha

okay I admit, my opinion might seem a bit complex or whatever...but I believe in spirits yes, but for them to function within a body, the brain needs to work...I did absolutely not rule out spiritual activity outside bodies...just read the post

 

prove that it doesn't? I wasn't contesting the person's theory. I said:

1. You can't prove that or disprove.

Besides, I believe in god, don't lecture me on Heaven.

[acdcrules04]

Sometimes I think that I should just be a lesbian so I wouldn't have to deal with abortion.

[LPpinkfreak821]

holy cow some of this stuff is just WAY over my head. i think we're getting into more spiritual death of a person than abortion in general' date=' don't you think..?[/quote']

 

Yea & no. We're talking about death, but being that having an abortion is like killing which is dying which is death.

 

 

 

Besides' date=' I believe in god, don't lecture me on Heaven.[/quote']

 

I wasn't trying to lecture you on anything, sweetie.