Video Game Violence... True or B.S.?

[candygirl]

It definitely could be the parents.. I'm not saying it couldn't. i mean, Good Lord, you know how many kids DON'T have ADD, They just need their whiny ass spanked? Parents are to blame for a lot of BS their kids do! but I do think that there are a few cases, (not tons, not even frequent, but some) that are given the idea by a video game.

[DarknessLover]

I am a hardcore gamer, I play Doom 3, Halo 2, Grand Theft Auto, The Godfather, and none of them have even partially influenced behavior. I was a fighter since I was in 3rd grade. I get into fights alot, and I usually got my ass kicked. I can say that games, helped my fighting, like Godfather, since it has something in it called "Black Handing" or something, but that's all, never influenced my behavior, but more my technique, I guess that is all.

 

Oh by the way, now I win more fights ^.^

[Friðbjörn]

unbelievable how Manson gets blamed for everything...

and I mean the guys who did Columbine hated his music lol

 

soon there'll be one of these moms groups that's gonna pin this on GTA, Rammstein, Manson, and something else, to divert attention from parents not doing their jobs...

 

it's society's fault that someone gets so badly treated and/or isolated that they see nothing else in the situation than to shoot up a school.

and what is fucked up is that because of politics, everyone's sad now and this gets attention, but when this happens in Iraq and the 3rd world, we don't even get to know about it.

 

 

again, video games have nothing to do with this bullshit

[FireHawk]

I am gonna call bull shit. It parents faults if there 11 year old kids have a "Mature" game and can't handle it. Yes kids sneak stuff my parents should watch what kids play if the kid is under 13 or immature for his age.

 

BTW If you buy your 10 year old a GTA game you have more problems than buying that game for your kid.

 

BTW AGAIN: The ERSB who rate the games is made up of parents I have read.

[Stllmn8j]

That damn Rammstein strikes again! Lighting shit on fire and speaking german,corruputing the kids minds I tells ya!

 

end sarcasm.exe

 

I actually had to go to an assembly where we were told that violent music (R+was the example used) was part of the cause of school shootings including Columbine.

[candygirl]

Okay, I don't see how music can make people violent. I don't think listening to Eminem is going to prompt me to pick up a gun and shoot someone.

[Chelsea x Horror]

Its bullshit.

 

Its the parents who control whether the child will become violent. If the parent teaches the child well enough, and the child is responsible than that child should be able to play a game that has violence and realize that its just a game and should not reflect real life.

 

Same with music. Parents are affraid that if a child listens to maralyn manson or eminem or black/hate metal that they will hate everything and become homicidal/suicidal. But if they parents taught them/raised them right it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Another good anecdote: Pitbulls. Are NOT violent unless abused and forced to fight. Unlike what most of society believes about them.

[misery]

I don't think so. I play Mario games, and I don't go around stomping on mushrooms and bugs, so why would I go around shooting people if I play Counter-Strike?

 

Doesn't make sense.

[Greyfoxx]

I'm glad ya'll are gettin into this,

 

I'm also glad that ya'll agree (for the most part) with me

[azemkamikaze03]

ok.

so like it definitely does have an effect. youd have to be either blind, retarded, or not fully matured to deny that. (take you pick.)

 

all media has an effect. unconsciously or consciously. its practically common sense. take the streets. ghettos and ect. why do you think gang violence is such a big problem? it spread, the Crips never were so large but through rap music news of the gangs like them spread and pretty soon every where had their own blue/orange flag waving gang. when rappers rap about guns, drugs, ho's it subliminally influences a lot of it's listeners that taking part in that shit is ok. just like how a lot of LP fans say man i relate to your music so much. its the same way for people who listen to rap. they talk about how tough it is to not have a job and how the only way to get what u want is to do things the illegal way. becuase the illegal way is the crazy way but when u do crazy shit people respect u.

 

its the same aspect, with video games. I mean i find it quite amazing that a lot of these high school/college shooters play a lot of violent games, watch a lot of violent movies, listen to a lot of violent/disturbing music. you cannot tell me that doesn't effect them.

 

you can relate it kinda to the Chinese water drop torture thing how at first its fine, but then all u can focus on is the water dropping on u.

 

dont blame it on the parents. let me ask you the guy who shot up vTech, his parents raised him strict and they never woulda thought of him doing that. so what would drive him to that? "violence in school" well let me ask you where did the people who exposed him to violence get it from?

 

music, movies, games, and other entertainment dont make people kill people. but they do expose ur deepest emotions and in a sense show u ways to make them better.

 

lets say thoes kids never looked on the internet, movies, games, music, tell me where did they learn how to shoot guns in such a violent manner? did the violence at school do it?

 

 

games do contribute to violence its a fact. kids, teens, the naive wont accept it but its true. of course people will be like OH I PLAY VIDEO GAMES THAT ARE EXtReMeLy VIoLent bUt I'M puREcTly noRmal. yea ive heard that one before. i dont believe it. maybe ur not violent but ur (chances are) not totally "normal."

 

u cant tell me that u dont (the hardcore gamers in here) brag about being able to shoot an old lady in the head from however many miles away in a video game. or how u beat mortal kombat. if you brag about it that means u love violence. if u love violence than that means its in ur head and if u ever needed to kill someone becuase ur angry well u already learned some techniques right?

 

im not saying i dont have my own faulty traits i love violent things. im not justifying that video games is a justifyable reason to get out of doing time for killin someone im just saying it does have an effect

[shadowfax1007]

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[Greyfoxx]

Where'd u find that at?!

 

Edit: OH! Look at that, the site is on there

[UnhingedMouse0]

Im gonna chop up azems post here because I disagree.

 

all media has an effect. unconsciously or consciously. its practically common sense. take the streets. ghettos and ect. why do you think gang violence is such a big problem? it spread, the Crips never were so large but through rap music news of the gangs like them spread and pretty soon every where had their own blue/orange flag waving gang. when rappers rap about guns, drugs, ho's it subliminally influences a lot of it's listeners that taking part in that shit is ok. just like how a lot of LP fans say man i relate to your music so much. its the same way for people who listen to rap. they talk about how tough it is to not have a job and how the only way to get what u want is to do things the illegal way. becuase the illegal way is the crazy way but when u do crazy shit people respect u.

It only has an effect if people let it have an effect. If the person is not brought up right or is just insane to begin with then it will effect them. Its also not becuase of the music, but rather the environment they live in. Some rich guy living in a nice neighborhood isnt going to go sell crack on the corner just becuase he heard it in a song. Why? Because thats not the environment hes in. Im not saying that the music dosent contribute to things, but Im saying it sure as hell is not the leading cause.

 

its the same aspect, with video games. I mean i find it quite amazing that a lot of these high school/college shooters play a lot of violent games, watch a lot of violent movies, listen to a lot of violent/disturbing music. you cannot tell me that doesn't effect them.

Yeah, but do you know how many people also love these things but have enough sense not to re-enact them? If someone just sees somthing and goes "I NEED TO REPEAT THAT NOW! WHERES MY SHOTGUN!?" then theyve got problems to begin with. Theres a very large line between whats real and whats not, and whats acceptable and whats not. The majority of people know where the line is. Those who dont are the ones who do the horrible things previously mentioned.

dont blame it on the parents. let me ask you the guy who shot up vTech, his parents raised him strict and they never woulda thought of him doing that. so what would drive him to that? "violence in school" well let me ask you where did the people who exposed him to violence get it from?

 

music, movies, games, and other entertainment dont make people kill people. but they do expose ur deepest emotions and in a sense show u ways to make them better.

 

lets say thoes kids never looked on the internet, movies, games, music, tell me where did they learn how to shoot guns in such a violent manner? did the violence at school do it?

I fairly good point here, had he NEVER, ever ever ever, been exposed to any kind of violence, then yes, he would not have known that what he did was a option. But again I say, he was messed up to begin with. After the shooting occured there were so many things like "The Warning Signs: We Should Have Seen it Coming."

 

 

games do contribute to violence its a fact. kids, teens, the naive wont accept it but its true. of course people will be like OH I PLAY VIDEO GAMES THAT ARE EXtReMeLy VIoLent bUt I'M puREcTly noRmal. yea ive heard that one before. i dont believe it. maybe ur not violent but ur (chances are) not totally "normal."

Remind me... what is normal again? I know when I play violent games Im not sitting there going, "Hmm I really wish I could shoot someones fucking head off!" and then go play the game.

 

 

u cant tell me that u dont (the hardcore gamers in here) brag about being able to shoot an old lady in the head from however many miles away in a video game. or how u beat mortal kombat. if you brag about it that means u love violence. if u love violence than that means its in ur head and if u ever needed to kill someone becuase ur angry well u already learned some techniques right?

Thats a load of bullshit right there, just becase you are good at a violent game does not mean you love violence. People get proud about whatever they can do well. Its just like any other competition to see who can do the best. It has nothing to do with people enacting their innermost violent fantasies. And if that is the reason why someone is playing a game, well let me say it again... they were messed up from the beginning.

 

im not saying i dont have my own faulty traits i love violent things. im not justifying that video games is a justifyable reason to get out of doing time for killin someone im just saying it does have an effect

Yes, it does have an effect as with EVERYTHING in life, but the question is is the THE one thing that made the people snap and do the things they did? Nope. Thus, I call bullshit.

[Greyfoxx]

I like your post Unhindged! I agree. That is a really long post....must've taken you awhile to type that all up and stuff. I appericate(cant spell today) the post really i do. I think it's utter bullshit that people blame video games for the violence in the world.

[Breakdown Conspiracy]

I play violent games often, and It doesn't effect me. I'd say movies are more prone to make us more violent than games. I think it depends on your environment and how clean your mind is.

[Holy War]

Psychology is a major player in this, the ability to distinguish right from wrong is absent in many of the people that get involved in things like this. The media isn't a big player they just spread the word to people that didn't know it was going on to begin with, yes I will give you rappers such as Tupac and Biggie influenced a lot of INTEREST in gang activity but to go so far as to say the influenced people to join I don't think so. A gang is a "family" they have certain order and people that lead much like an army they are mostly joined by emotional similarities (I.E. divorced parents, broken home, poverty) but again people say because gangs are moving into their streets/states that it's because of the media, but moreso they are being pushed out of their home and setting up somewhere they know they can make more money.

 

Violence in video games or any other media type doesn't necassarily push violence but more opens voids to what one was thinking of doing in the first place, it doesn't put the thought in a person's mind it just reminds them of the thought.

[azemkamikaze03]

I'm not going to chop up your post UMO only because I'm going to change my opinion slightly without really changing it.

 

Ok, first off just incase later on you become confuse by what I am saying let me make this clear playing violent games doesn't make some kind of violent freak. It might mean you have a tendency to enjoy violence which is not a bad thing. We all need a little violence in our life to vent and release stress. Hell, I loved playing Duke Nukem 64, San Andreas, Manhunt and whatever other games that involved killing. But see, you have to think of it from a different stand point. I strongly doubt anyone, unless they have mental instability, will play a game; watch a movie; or listen to a song and then say hey yea maybe I should go kill people. I think watching violent things has more of a subliminal affect on the brain. Like it stores itself in a cabinet and just waits for an opening. When a person finds thierself in a desperate moment the violent nature presents itself. Granted it wont be in the image of you running around in cheesy cheap 3d graphics with a sawed off shotgun, but I think the imagery combines itself to mold into your own vision. If that makes any sense. I don't think violent forms of media cause people to kill, I do however think they are some what a foundation for a possible violent way of life if people are drawn in that direction.

 

People who directly blame their problems on a form of media are probably lieing. I agree with you guys on that topic because I mean it's an easy scapegoat. But there is no doubt in my mind that a lot killers draw their inspiration either directly or indirectly and unintentionally from media. Holy War said it better than me...it does open voids and kind of can help give a motherly nudge to an already disturbed kid.

 

This is not to say Video Games and Movies are the only forms. Obviously things like the Iraq War and humanity itself influence a person to act in such a way. Video game violence merely is just another stepping stone

 

hope that was a little bit better of an explanation.

[tsinoitcelfer]

I dunno, maybe...

 

I had some PETA people on my ass because I jumped on a turtle.

 

http://mediaprovider.kennisnet.nl/MediaProvider/img/146948.jpeg

 

And then, I decided I'd take a sword and slice a huge pig in half.

 

http://www.offtopic.forum/data/MetaMirrorCache/ae5ce0604545ee233115cebe6ba94ad2.gif

 

 

 

 

 

I don't suppose that I play really violent games.

[HaziLPTonz]

ahaha

 

well, i think its bollocks, but not completely, obviously MOST normal people play games for FUN and ENTERTAINMENT, while others....well use it in other means, because people take it too far, they get "bored" f games, or want to expierience something else and go for the real thing....or theyre pyscho depressed, cant vent themselves in the game and resort to real life stuff. games are only but ONE means of violence, music,media,bad parenting(ie abuse), alcohol,depression,drugs...etc are ALSO other means

 

a small minority ruining it for the rest!

[Clogz]

Crazy people play video games. The games did not make them crazy. They were already crazy.

 

Oh, and studies show that video games are great outlets for otherwise unacceptable behavior...like VIOLENCE. I personally am a much more peaceful person because for several years now I have safely been shooting fake guns in a meaningless game.

 

People need to shutup and play. I love pwning the loudmouth nubs the most.

 

"omfg u hax0r!"

"pfft."

[Usiel]

well, actually, I think games isnt only the reason for lots of teenagers (and not teenagers but with a childish mind) have a bad behaviour. I think it's depend on many factors: family, education, TV (dont forget the crazy box!!! ) and so on. Sincerely, I dont know what is worst: to let your little son with seven years to play a computer game like "Resident Evil" or "Armaggedon" or to let him to see a movie which the plot is only weapons, blood, bad words and porn images??? You see, what is worst: to play a war game or just to have the war in your own home between your own parents? Sincerely, and between both cases, I prefer to be hurt in a virtual reality than in my own life!! After all, in the first case, you just only need quick skills and a good mind for differentiate both worlds.

[allieking]

i'm a mother of three and i don't let my kids play violent games, not because i think it will make them violnt but because i don't think its suitable for a 12, 11 and 9 year old to be looking at stuff like that. i also think that playing violent games has nothing to do with kids being violent, its the parents. if you bring your child up to know the diffrence between right and wrong they become balanced human beings. kids know that what they see in these violent games isn't what you do in real life, they know that there are conciquences for their actions.

 

so yeah i think its a load of bull that playing violent games leads to violent children.

[Sygy]

I dunno, maybe...

 

I had some PETA people on my ass because I jumped on a turtle.

 

http://mediaprovider.kennisnet.nl/MediaProvider/img/146948.jpeg

 

And then, I decided I'd take a sword and slice a huge pig in half.

 

http://www.offtopic.forum/data/MetaMirrorCache/ae5ce0604545ee233115cebe6ba94ad2.gif

 

 

 

 

 

I don't suppose that I play really violent games.

thats really off, you shouldnt joke about harming animals, its disguishting.

[tsinoitcelfer]

thats really off, you shouldnt joke about harming animals, its disguishting.

 

Well, I guess that disproved the point about videogames and violence. It seems some people can't find the difference between reality and fantasy. Pity. Only someone who's really stupid would think that I was actually talking about hurting animals.

 

It's a damn video game. It's a Joke. Clearly you've never played Mario or Zelda. So get off my ass before I go super pwnage on you, and I really don't want to do that.

[Hahninator]

well I thought it was really funny lol