The bombing of Iran.

[Msixty]

Why did your intel not foresee Pearl Harbour's attack?

 

The truth is, they did.

 

Why does our intel not forsee Iran's nuke threat and capability?

 

The truth is, we do.

 

 

it goes both ways, learn from fucking history

 

 

 

 

Predicting your reply...

 

Blah, rabble rabble Iraqi war Blah Blah learn from fucking history rabble blah [/Quote]

 

now to save time i will reply in advance,

 

Better to have a disorganized bunch of ass hat insurgents fighting over a sand dune than an organized and determined military with bio-weapon capability.

[RoyalOrleans]

blahblablahblahblahblahblahblahblah;)

 

You're preaching to the choir, ya fucking afterthought.

[builder]

MOAB

 

Massive

Ordanence

Air

Blast

 

or Mother Of All Bombs

 

A munition so massive it must be dropped out of the back of a C130 cargo plane.

 

EMP attack, which is what you can expect in the US of A if you fuckers don't stop fiddling with ME foreign policy and regime change.

[builder]

You're preaching to the choir, ya fucking afterthought.

 

I'm glad you put so much effort into your response, RO.

 

It must be such a taxing day delivering all those boxes and envelopes.

 

No wonder you come home brain-dead and panting for a cold beer.

[builder]

Why does our intel not forsee Iran's nuke threat and capability?

 

The truth is, we do.

 

The propaganda is what you are lapping up. It will be ten years before any kind of nuclear weapon could emerge from centrifuges in Iran. If your money-grubbing admin would come to the bargaining table with the IAEA there would be weapons inspectors from the UN all over Iran's nuke facilities.

 

Their gov wants to trade their own oil in euros, rather than petrodollars, and that is why your purse-holders want regime change in Iran. Grow some brains and do some research, you knee-jerk apologist shill.

 

 

it goes both ways, learn from fucking history

 

Learn from whose history? The US and UK governments oustered the ruler of Iran in 1953. They implanted the Shah of Iran, who was more bloodthirsty and tyrannical than Saddam. Iran hates your guts because you fucked over their country. Just like your country fucked over Iraq.

 

Learn from your own history you simpleton apologist fuck.

 

 

Predicting your reply...

 

You're sixteen, dickwad. Get some life experience behind you. The only things you know are what you have been told. Try thinking for yourself for a change of pace.

 

now to save time i will reply in advance,

Better to have a disorganized bunch of ass hat insurgents fighting over a sand dune than an organized and determined military with bio-weapon capability.

 

Iran is mountain country. Harsher again than Afghanistan, where your troops have failed dismally, in allowing the Taliban back into control.

 

Grow up, hippy.

[Msixty]

The propaganda is what you are lapping up. It will be ten years before any kind of nuclear weapon could emerge from centrifuges in Iran. If your money-grubbing admin would come to the bargaining table with the IAEA there would be weapons inspectors from the UN all over Iran's nuke facilities.

 

nope, we have seen what little the U.N. will do when it is not in their agenda, the U.N. needs to be disbanded

 

Their gov wants to trade their own oil in euros, rather than petrodollars, and that is why your purse-holders want regime change in Iran. Grow some brains and do some research, you knee-jerk apologist shill.

 

i could not care less about the oil in iran, i know what we have and what we can get without the sand box, you're forgetting where i live and what my family does.

 

 

Learn from whose history? The US and UK governments oustered the ruler of Iran in 1953. They implanted the Shah of Iran, who was more bloodthirsty and tyrannical than Saddam. Iran hates your guts because you fucked over their country. Just like your country fucked over Iraq.

 

yep, we made a mighty fine mess of it over there, time to clean up.

 

i admit that we paved the way for this to happen, BUT, that just makes us all the better the ones to clean it up. we did have proof that iraq had WMD's we still have the recepts. and you have seen the return policy

 

Learn from your own history you simpleton apologist fuck.

 

ah such strong words should i feel offended by the person on the other side of the planet doing nothing but clicking away on a keyboard?

 

You're sixteen, dickwad. Get some life experience behind you. The only things you know are what you have been told. Try thinking for yourself for a change of pace.

 

17 and i have pleanty of experience for my age, i also have a fairly different perspective on life compaired to most people my age.

 

Iran is mountain country. Harsher again than Afghanistan, where your troops have failed dismally, in allowing the Taliban back into control.

 

Grow up, hippy.

 

I welcome the challenge, i'm not a chicken shit like the people you seem to associate with our country, and i sure as hell am not a fucking hippy, i HATE the steriotypical hippy.

[Msixty]

EMP attack, which is what you can expect in the US of A if you fuckers don't stop fiddling with ME foreign policy and regime change.

 

 

"They are ten years from being able to produce a nuke"

 

Buuuut, they can attack us with an advanced EMP device that requires incredible technical savvy to be effective?

 

you sir are a contradicting idiot.

[Moko]

Don't you just about NEED a nuke to generate a decent EMP?

 

Ya better off just dumping a whole lots of metal filings on a power station..or fucken something

[RoyalOrleans]

I'm glad you put so much effort into your response, RO.

 

It must be such a taxing day delivering all those boxes and envelopes.

 

No wonder you come home brain-dead and panting for a cold beer.

 

Yeah... I drive all over a city, delivering my little boxes, and drop deuces in gas station bathrooms, but I ain't no fucking hypocrite.

 

No matter how taxing my day is, it pales in comparison to the tile-laying or whatever the fuck you do.

[builder]

"They are ten years from being able to produce a nuke"

 

Buuuut, they can attack us with an advanced EMP device that requires incredible technical savvy to be effective?

 

you sir are a contradicting idiot.

 

It will be China that drops the EMP.

 

Iran is their ally, remember.

 

Apparently the DPRK are keen to get into the alliance.

[Phantom]

I didn't know EMP's were "dropped" but set up and set off?

 

Correct me if I am wrong. I only know about EMP's after watching 24. :o

[snafu]

I didn't know EMP's were "dropped" but set up and set off?

 

Correct me if I am wrong. I only know about EMP's after watching 24. :o

 

No that

[Moko]

Do you guys think the power cuts in 2003 were something like EMP's?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_North_America_blackout

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Italy_blackout

 

I appreciate the "official" stories, but it happens in the states, europe laughs at the states, then it happens in Europe....weeks apart and both huge.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

The United States is NOT going to attack North Korea. If they were, they would've done it post-9/11. They had more to gain and more of a statement to make doing that than attacking Iraq. The difference is that NK can actually defend itself. The US would win, of course, but it wouldn't have been nearly as effortless as the dismantling of Saddam's regime. That, and there's China. What's going to happen is that North Korea will be sanctioned until it falls apart, and then either China will jump on it, or the US will help integrate it into South Korea, establishing "democracy."

 

 

Also, neither China or North Korea are truly threats to the US. They can defend themselves if war comes to them, but they do NOT have the navy or mobility in general to really hurt the States. If a war broke out, it would be fought on their soil. US soldiers would die, but in the mean time it would be their countries that lose civilians. They aren't dumb enough to attack the US directly. The most China's going to do is be a Soviet Union lite to the US. They can compete economically, but not militarily and they know it. Iran is similar. They can defend themselves, but they sure as hell can't do more than marginally disrupt the US at the moment. I also agree with builder. Iran is pissed because of the US' foreign policy. If they were really a bunch of Osama-lites, they would not be so closely allied with Hugo Chavez -- a far left official whose reputation as a man of the people comes in part from making sexual jokes during campaign speeches.

 

 

 

 

i admit that we paved the way for this to happen, BUT, that just makes us all the better the ones to clean it up. we did have proof that iraq had WMD's we still have the recepts. and you have seen the return policy

 

 

What are you referring to, exactly? The US said well before 9/11 that Iraq did not have nukes or the capability to produce them. Since the Gulf War, I doubt they had the economy to even buy a WW2 grade nuke. If they were really this gigantic threat, Israel would've been all over that.

[Msixty]

What are you referring to, exactly? The US said well before 9/11 that Iraq did not have nukes or the capability to produce them. Since the Gulf War, I doubt they had the economy to even buy a WW2 grade nuke. If they were really this gigantic threat, Israel would've been all over that.

 

 

.....

 

WMD

 

Weapon of

Mass

Destruction

 

Including but not limited to,

 

Bio, Gas, and Nuke agents.

 

NOT JUST THE NUKE

 

Iraq used Bio and Nerve Gas agents as the primary tool of combat, they were getting pretty damn good with them by practicing on kurd villeges in northern iraq, they turned tens of villeges into ghost towns by killing everyone in them, mostly women and children.

 

Tactic was usually to drop small conventonal bombs or artillery, thus driving the people into underground bunkers, next Bio and Nerve agents were dropped or fierd by artillery, first at the exits from town to contain the population then working inward, the heavy gas clouds would settle in the underground bunkers, replacing the air and killing everyone, the ones who ran hit low hovering clouds too big to run through while holding your breath and were invected, finally infantry would enter with HAZMAT uniforms and exicute all survivors with small arms. often scientists would accompany the infantry to conduct evaluations and gather samples.

 

and as for the economy, saddam had bunkers built that even our bunker busters didn't hurt, they still have the unbroken dishes set out. as well as amazing homes and other things, they could well afford a nuke, but they would be supreamly fucked if they bought one, and the person who sold it would be to, so they didn't buy and nobody was selling. sometimes, peace through superior firepower really does work.

 

on the iran topic, we should concentrate on killing the agents who enter iraq, and help fuel the counter government forces in the country, after all, we do have the Army SF, that's what they do. but stay out of direct military action in the area, it would be and look like an overthrow by the people of iran, thus we gain iran as if not a friend, a non combatant.

 

korea, russia, and china will sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and stay the fuck out of the fight, for now.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

.....

 

WMD

 

Weapon of

Mass

Destruction

 

Including but not limited to,

 

Bio, Gas, and Nuke agents.

 

NOT JUST THE NUKE

 

 

 

Aaaaah, thanks for the clarification.

 

 

 

Iraq used Bio and Nerve Gas agents as the primary tool of combat, they were getting pretty damn good with them by practicing on kurd villeges in northern iraq, they turned tens of villeges into ghost towns by killing everyone in them, mostly women and children.

 

 

You say that as if the United States and its allies don't do similar things all the time.

 

 

 

Tactic was usually to drop small conventonal bombs or artillery, thus driving the people into underground bunkers, next Bio and Nerve agents were dropped or fierd by artillery, first at the exits from town to contain the population then working inward, the heavy gas clouds would settle in the underground bunkers, replacing the air and killing everyone, the ones who ran hit low hovering clouds too big to run through while holding your breath and were invected, finally infantry would enter with HAZMAT uniforms and exicute all survivors with small arms. often scientists would accompany the infantry to conduct evaluations and gather samples.

 

 

 

Alrighty. I would not argue that he didn't have several deadly weapons, most of which were given to him by the US, which was actively supporting him during these killings.

 

 

 

and as for the economy, saddam had bunkers built that even our bunker busters didn't hurt, they still have the unbroken dishes set out. as well as amazing homes and other things, they could well afford a nuke,

 

 

Um, really? Due to all the sanctions over the years, Iraq had virtually the lowest economic resources in the Middle East. They were poorer than Kuwait, despite having around 10 times the population.

 

They DID have some advanced military tech, yes ... Left over from back when Saddam was being sponsored by the States.

 

 

 

 

but they would be supreamly fucked if they bought one, and the person who sold it would be to, so they didn't buy and nobody was selling. sometimes, peace through superior firepower really does work.

 

 

Um, "peace?" The US was not being attacked by Iraq. In fact, they were pals until Saddam got too big for his britches and threatened US control of oil in the region. I've yet to see any evidence that Iraq was planning on attacking the United States, much less capable of doing so with any success.

 

What they WERE doing is ignoring certain parts of the Gulf War treaty, for instance spreading their oil around for greater profit instead of strictly selling it based on the treaties' guidelines, which were fucking them economically while allowing the US to have the oil trump card over its economic rivals.

 

 

on the iran topic, we should concentrate on killing the agents who enter iraq, and help fuel the counter government forces in the country, after all, we do have the Army SF, that's what they do. but stay out of direct military action in the area, it would be and look like an overthrow by the people of iran, thus we gain iran as if not a friend, a non combatant.

 

 

The funniest part about it is that Iran was helping the United States in Afghanistan until Bush included them in his make-believe "Axis of Evil."

 

 

korea, russia, and china will sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and stay the fuck out of the fight, for now.

 

 

The rest of the world could generally give two shits about Iraq. What they're concerned about is the new precedent set: that the US is not subject to the same rules of war as any other country on the planet. That they can, at will, invade any other country that is perceived to be a threat to them, regardless of whether there is evidence of an imminent attack or not. As Kennedy's officials put it, the US is attacking those who challenge not just our existence, but "power and prestige" as well.

 

 

The message is that if you refuse to be a tool of US imperialism, you will die. For fuck's sake, the media is trying to paint Hugo Chavez as some imminent threat. What US citizens need to do is actually hold the US government to the same scrutiny as it does other governments around the world. Demand proof and dig up the whole story, rather than just what makes it to Fox and CNN. If you don't put the pressure on the politicians, the world's going to continue to be ass-raped whether you vote Democrat or Republican.

[Msixty]

Aaaaah, thanks for the clarification.

 

my pleasure

 

You say that as if the United States and its allies don't do similar things all the time.

 

we don't it's illigal, all hell would break loose if america gased a nation, that's why we use other countries as our agents to do it for us.

 

Alrighty. I would not argue that he didn't have several deadly weapons, most of which were given to him by the US, which was actively supporting him during these killings.

 

no, we simply ignored them, we did not support the killing of the kurds, we supported the war on iran

 

Um, really? Due to all the sanctions over the years, Iraq had virtually the lowest economic resources in the Middle East. They were poorer than Kuwait, despite having around 10 times the population.

 

They DID have some advanced military tech, yes ... Left over from back when Saddam was being sponsored by the States.

 

first, bullshit, they were rich, but all the money was never accounted on the records, hence appearing poor. and they actually reverse engeneered what we gave them and were making it themselves.

 

Um, "peace?" The US was not being attacked by Iraq. In fact, they were pals until Saddam got too big for his britches and threatened US control of oil in the region. I've yet to see any evidence that Iraq was planning on attacking the United States, much less capable of doing so with any success.

 

they were supporting terrorists and we thought they may supply terror organizations with chemical, bio, or other weapons to use on america, so no, they didn't have plans to attack, but they could be an aid in a horrible attack, and saddam supported the 9/11 and other attacks.

 

What they WERE doing is ignoring certain parts of the Gulf War treaty, for instance spreading their oil around for greater profit instead of strictly selling it based on the treaties' guidelines, which were fucking them economically while allowing the US to have the oil trump card over its economic rivals.

 

they fucked up and got owned, we had a right to claim the oil in treaty guidelines, and they were fucking their people both ways in oil for food

 

The funniest part about it is that Iran was helping the United States in Afghanistan until Bush included them in his make-believe "Axis of Evil."

 

Fuck iran, they killed hundreds of Marines before any of this shit, that alone is justification for their total irradication, not to mention continued threats to america, 'death to america' being chanted all the time, horrible human rights violations, AND their government is controlled on the province and city level by terror organisations funded by the government of iran.

 

The rest of the world could generally give two shits about Iraq. What they're concerned about is the new precedent set: that the US is not subject to the same rules of war as any other country on the planet. That they can, at will, invade any other country that is perceived to be a threat to them, regardless of whether there is evidence of an imminent attack or not. As Kennedy's officials put it, the US is attacking those who challenge not just our existence, but "power and prestige" as well.

 

actually, we have several countries with leaders that realize the impact victory or defeat will have on the middle east and hence the world, and fuck yes we will destroy anyone who pisses us off, that's what we have been doing since before we were a nation. it's not new, you idiots just never saw us pissed first hand so it seems shocking

 

The message is that if you refuse to be a tool of US imperialism, you will die. For fuck's sake, the media is trying to paint Hugo Chavez as some imminent threat. What US citizens need to do is actually hold the US government to the same scrutiny as it does other governments around the world. Demand proof and dig up the whole story, rather than just what makes it to Fox and CNN. If you don't put the pressure on the politicians, the world's going to continue to be ass-raped whether you vote Democrat or Republican.

 

reality check, the media will never tell the whole story, fox, cnn, msnbc, bbc, they ALL have an agenda and will only tell that side of the story, that has been how it has worked for all time, and will continue to be how it works untill the end of time. and we hold our own government to higher standerds than any other country, we go insane on our government over little shit and absolutely loose it over the big stuff all the time, that's all we ever hear about, is how our government fucked up this, or is conspiring for this. if the U.S.A. government tried to take away guns like the U.K. did, it would be hell on earth, millions would die, war in the streets, soldiers would refuse orders to 'quiet' violent protests, but hell, the U.K. did it, and not a peep from anyone. get over yourself, the U.S.A. isn't THAT horrible, we do have problems, some big, but at the end of the day, we are still the super power and still THE symbol of freedom.

[Hamza123]

K, um yah, those WMD's Iraq had were a really dangerous period in world history!! I didn't know AK's and IEDs could cause 'mass destruction'.