Should The US start another military action in the Middle East

[dshogan1]

I just read that Bush deployed another aircraft carrier to the middle east in order to send a message that we arent leaving. This is in response to the beleif that Iran is enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. My beleif is that we should not enter into another war on another country, we cant afford it money or manpower wise. This is another one of Bushs Follies.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

No they shouldn't. The bush adminstration cannot finance another war (Afghanistan and Iraq alone are breaking the bank) the public and international support towards the United States will decay even more for obvious reasons, and Iran DOES have WMDs, and not to mention Iran's military is much superior to the ragtag militias the coalition is fighting against in Iraq and Afghanistan

[snafu]

We shoulda done something a lot sooner. We don't have enough money? So we let a nation wanting total destruction on you and me to complete their aspirations? This is the insane kind of talk that will bring our down fall.

We start with launching attacks on key targets. We don't have to fight them in an all out war. All we have to do is destroy there nuclear infrastructure.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

We shoulda done something a lot sooner. We don't have enough money? So we let a nation wanting total destruction on you and me to complete their aspirations? This is the insane kind of talk that will bring our down fall.

We start with launching attacks on key targets. We don't have to fight them in an all out war. All we have to do is destroy there nuclear infrastructure.

 

 

Thank you snaf! At least there is SOMEONE left on this fucking site that has a brain! Gebus...

[dshogan1]

Come on Snafu. Dont you think if they wanted to attack us they would have already. Like KVH said, they have an army that is more matched to us. We cant afford, an action may produce a war as opposed to prevent one. Maybe we have more nukes, but that doesnt matter, it only takes a few to bring a country down. I think provoking iran is like poking a sleeping bear. He maybe dangerous when awake, but let him sleep and deal with it later.

[dshogan1]

I beleive it is yet again about the oil. The US is about sick and tired of letting iran control oil prices. So in true american style, go in shooting to get our way.

[DaMan]

They will strike. No doubt about it. The only doubt is when it will happen. When it happens I believe Israel will be involved in it. Maybe not right away, but, soon afterward.

I feel the same a snafu. This should have happened a long time ago. Iran poses the only real threat to strike against us with nuclear weapons.

[snafu]

How soon people forget...

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/02/11/iran020211.html

[snafu]

How soon we forget....

 

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2005/12/death_to_americ.html

 

http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_International/ahmadinejad_words.htm

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=38378

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Come on Snafu. Dont you think if they wanted to attack us they would have already. Like KVH said, they have an army that is more matched to us. We cant afford, an action may produce a war as opposed to prevent one. Maybe we have more nukes, but that doesnt matter, it only takes a few to bring a country down. I think provoking iran is like poking a sleeping bear. He maybe dangerous when awake, but let him sleep and deal with it later.

 

 

 

The public hates the US as it is. If Bush starts throwing nukes around (before Iran attacks anyways), They can kiss any support and positive relationships from the rest of the world goodbye.

[Msixty]

BEFORE Iran attacks?!?!

 

THEY HELD AMERICANS HOSTAGE FROM OUR EMBASSY FOR MORE THAN A YEAR!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm all for military action, in fact, i think I'll personally take action, I'm thinking M249 M240G and M60E4 action. Belt-fed payback!

 

You can see me on CNN in two years, i'd love to see one of the 'combat' CNN reporters get in the way in a firefight.

 

 

 

as for the cash problem, I'm with SNAFU, money VS. security, I'll go broke fighting the nutty Islamic ruler every time. He'd be lucky to have his people bump him off before we get there (he has been pissing them all off lately) which just goes to show how bad he is.

 

 

 

also, did you know: in Iran, two teens of the opposite sex can be thrown in jail for having coffee together if they are not married.

[Msixty]

The public hates the US as it is. If Bush starts throwing nukes around (before Iran attacks anyways), They can kiss any support and positive relationships from the rest of the world goodbye.

 

 

World to KVH, the world hates us for being better and not giving a shit what the U.N. says anyway. this will be no different. they will thank us later, now, where did I put that MARPAT.....

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

BEFORE Iran attacks?!?!

 

Anything else will make the US look like the aggressor, resulting in unrest on the HOME FRONT and in the international community. Public and domestic support is an important asset. That is if the US is interested in maintaining trade relations and foreign military aid. As for as domestic support...want to keep the rioting down?

 

THEY HELD AMERICANS HOSTAGE FROM OUR EMBASSY FOR MORE THAN A YEAR!!!!!!!!!

Yea sure something should be done about this. Perhaps sending in covert ops to rescue the hostages would be a better option rather than sending in a few thousand marines and calling in air strikes to level the place, thus starting an all out war resulting in political/social turmoil, hundreds of unnecessary military casualties - or provoking them to use their WMD's Yea sure there's M.A.D but mutually assured destruction won't bring back the devastation inflicted on the nation that was hit first. dealing with war and WMD's is really quite a fragile business with a LOT of think-it-over required.

 

 

 

 

 

as for the cash problem, I'm with SNAFU, money VS. security, I'll go broke fighting the nutty Islamic ruler every time. He'd be lucky to have his people bump him off before we get there (he has been pissing them all off lately) which just goes to show how bad he is.

 

Going broke is not a good idea. Without money there is no way to pay soldiers (I'm sure they don't do a job for free), provide them with weapons, equipment ammo, maintain and fuel vehicles, etc

 

 

 

also, did you know: in Iran, two teens of the opposite sex can be thrown in jail for having coffee together if they are not married.

 

I'm sure there are some extremist bible thumpers on this side of the pond who want similar laws here.

 

another thing I don't get is how they enforce stupid laws like this.

[builder]

Anything else will make the US look like the aggressor, resulting in unrest on the HOME FRONT and in the international community.

 

Does your current admin really give a fuck about public opinion on the home front? Without that, international opinion is not even in the equation.

 

Public and domestic support is an important asset. That is if the US is interested in maintaining trade relations and foreign military aid.

 

Australia is pulling out. It's a farce. US generals were calling the war on terror a farce a couple of years back. I notice that those generals are now out of a job.

 

As for as domestic support...want to keep the rioting down?

 

Nope. PUblic outrage is justified. An illegal invasion for an unspecified reason.

 

Afghanistan is now back in the hands of the Taliban, and Iraq is now "democratically" in the control of extremists. Nice work, shrub.

 

Yea sure something should be done about this.

 

Is asassination no longer a drawcard?

 

Perhaps sending in covert ops to rescue the hostages would be a better option rather than sending in a few thousand marines and calling in air strikes to level the place, thus starting an all out war resulting in political/social turmoil, hundreds of unnecessary military casualties - or provoking them to use their WMD's

 

The hostage crisis in Iran was a direct result of US and UK political meddling that saw the democratically elected president, Dr. Mahommed Mossedegh, Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1953, oustered and held in house arrest. The Shah of Iran was a US implant, and he was worse than Saddam as a violently murderous despot. You reap what you sow, people.

 

Yea sure there's M.A.D but mutually assured destruction won't bring back the devastation inflicted on the nation that was hit first. dealing with war and WMD's is really quite a fragile business with a LOT of think-it-over required.

 

Nuclear strikes are never on the table. The only reason they are now being considered is, the Carlyle group's war on money has seen recruitment drop into oblivion, and desertion rates soar. People don't want to die for someone else's profits. This is not a war about saving America. It is a monetary chess move by the major financial players.

 

Going broke is not a good idea. Without money there is no way to pay soldiers (I'm sure they don't do a job for free), provide them with weapons, equipment ammo, maintain and fuel vehicles, etc

 

Some effective personal armour and humvees with real sheilding would be a start. The admin hopes that nobody comes home alive. Vets are costly critters to maintain.

 

I'm sure there are some extremist bible thumpers on this side of the pond who want similar laws here.

 

God told Bush to invade Iraq. Remember?

 

another thing I don't get is how they enforce stupid laws like this.

 

Because stupid fuckwits are running the show. At least we don't need to talk "up" to them.

 

Just grunt and nod, and mention Jesus in every second sentence.

[Msixty]

To all who don't think we should go to war with Iran:

 

Better hurry up, quit bitching, and do something, because as it's going I'll be 'PFC Hazel' on a 249 doing exactly what you're saying shouldn't happen.

 

 

Just a heads up since you seem to not look beyond CNN or your computer screen.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

To all who don't think we should go to war with Iran:

 

Better hurry up, quit bitching, and do something, because as it's going I'll be 'PFC Hazel' on a 249 doing exactly what you're saying shouldn't happen.

 

 

Just a heads up since you seem to not look beyond CNN or your computer screen.

 

Fucking a dude.... CNN is destroying the world. CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC are all propaganda machines. They are all pushing their liberal agenda. Hell, if you damn watch it hard enough, FOX is liberally biased, it's just so much closer to center that it looks to be extreme right.

 

Builder, what the hell is wrong with you? Could you look beyond the liberal agenda and the propagandist bullshit for 2 fucking seconds? You're crazy as shit dude... Open you eyes to the real world... Is this seriously how people in Australia think? Are you just starting shit here? Fuck I hope it's the 2nd option...

 

 

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[Anna Perenna]

Fucking a dude.... CNN is destroying the world. CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC are all propaganda machines. They are all pushing their liberal agenda. Hell, if you damn watch it hard enough, FOX is liberally biased, it's just so much closer to center that it looks to be extreme right.

 

Builder, what the hell is wrong with you? Could you look beyond the liberal agenda and the propagandist bullshit for 2 fucking seconds? You're crazy as shit dude... Open you eyes to the real world... Is this seriously how people in Australia think? Are you just starting shit here? Fuck I hope it's the 2nd option...

 

 

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You have serious problems if you think that Fox news isn't biased, and in an extreme right wing Republican way.

 

And I've noticed you experience severe emotional distress whenever someone dares to disagree with you. Is it so hard for you to fathom that the 'information' you have been force fed is incorrect? That maybe, just maybe, other people know more about certain situations than you do?

 

To be so narrow minded, as you obviously are, only serves to make you ignorant in the long run. Your moniker will surely suffer the consequences soon enough.

 

Down here in Australia we don't get fed the sensationalised propaganda that passes for "news" in your country - across all channels, not just the dreaded Fox (which is a laughing stock worldwide, just so you know)

 

We have certain biased channels, but on other channels and in certain newspapers we have access to REAL NEWS. With actual FACTS in it! You might want to try finding out about it sometime.

 

Because to us, you look retarded and uneducated.

[snafu]

The left have control of CNN ABC CBS and the news papers. The right has FOX and for the most part talk radio.

 

 

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Down here in Australia we don't get fed the sensationalised propaganda that passes for "news" in your country - across all channels, not just the dreaded Fox (which is a laughing stock worldwide, just so you know)

 

We have certain biased channels, but on other channels and in certain newspapers we have access to REAL NEWS. With actual FACTS in it! You might want to try finding out about it sometime.

 

Because to us, you look retarded and uneducated.

 

 

I call bullshit. So we get feed shit but you get feed the truth? Every news agency is looking for the “scoop”. They also pander to the public with a little persuasion thrown in. You sell what people want to read. Dont' give me that, my side of the steet is better shit. It ain't. You got the same propaganda shit as we do.

[Anna Perenna]

I call bullshit. So we get feed shit but you get feed the truth? Every news agency is looking for the

[builder]

 

Builder, what the hell is wrong with you?

 

It's called reality. It's been with me since I could read. Try and catch up, please.

 

Could you look beyond the liberal agenda and the propagandist bullshit for 2 fucking seconds?

 

Whose agenda? Propagandist bullshit is what I'm circumventing in my post above. Your current admin is the primo bullshit artist of our time. Try looking beyond their drivel for two seconds.

 

You're crazy as shit dude...

 

And proudly patriotic and world-wise. If you want to describe me, don't leave out the important descriptors, please.

 

Open you eyes to the real world...

 

I have. You should try it sometime.

 

Is this seriously how people in Australia think?

 

Not just Australia. Roughly 70 % of Americans and most of the developed world know that I'm right. Try and catch up sometime.

 

Are you just starting shit here? Fuck I hope it's the 2nd option...

 

 

 

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I didn't start any shit. Your admin started the shit, and I'm commenting on the outcome. Get it right, mister.

[hugo]

The Iranian army is on par with the Iraqi army we destroyed. Otherwise Iran would have disposed Saddam first.

[builder]

The Iranian army is on par with the Iraqi army we destroyed. Otherwisw Iran would have disposed Saddam first.

 

 

So the propaganda was true? Victory in Iraq occurred shortly after invasion.

 

What the fuck is with the peaceful occupation, Hugo a gogo?

 

Not to be forgetting that the Kurds captured Saddam, and did a political deal with the occupying force to hand him over.

[hugo]

So the propaganda was true? Victory in Iraq occurred shortly after invasion.

 

What the fuck is with the peaceful occupation, Hugo a gogo?

 

Not to be forgetting that the Kurds captured Saddam, and did a political deal with the occupying force to hand him over.

 

The army was defeated. The civil war that followed is the natural result of creating a power vacuum in a society where individual liberty is given no respect.

[builder]

The army was defeated.

 

Which army? The Shock and Awe campaign bombed the fuck out of the civilian quarters of Iraq to the tune of hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.

 

Saddams army was already rolling the dice to see who got his robes after he was crucified.

 

The civil war that followed is the natural result of creating a power vacuum in a society where individual liberty is given no respect.

 

What "power vacuum"?

 

Good ol' democracy creeping into the mix has provided the country with a democratically elected leadership, and everything is now hunky dory and apple pie. Isn't it?

 

[snafu]

Which army? The Shock and Awe campaign bombed the fuck out of the civilian quarters of Iraq to the tune of hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths...

 

Good ol' democracy creeping into the mix has provided the country with a democratically elected leadership, and everything is now hunky dory and apple pie. Isn't it?

 

 

Bombed civilian quarters to the tune of hundreds of thousand deaths? Bullshit.

 

Democracy will take a hold. But you're not going to get it over night. You won't even get it in a decade. But it has to start somewhere.

Shit everybody thinks you can change minds in the snap of your fingers.