Guest The Captain Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:14:08 -0800, 3103 Dead <zepp22113103@finestplanet.com> wrote: >On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:52:09 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> >wrote: > >>Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >>news:fg9js25dg5u2vvkphfodu84no8e7les4cb@4ax.com: >> >>> On 07 Feb 2007 03:33:00 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>>>>>over America. >>>>> >>>>> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most >>>>> polls have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. >>>> >>>>Yeah, but they can't seem to agree about the proper way to worship, >>>>the qualifications for salvation, even the construct of the godhead. >>>>When you die, do you go right to heaven or hell, or is there a >>>>Judgement day? Or are you buried in order to wait for Revelation's >>>>return of jeebus and the Rapture? Are there only 144,000 spaces in >>>>heaven, and how do you know one is reserved for you? Or does everyone >>>>who satisfies whatever their version of Christianity is get to go? >>>>Who goes to hell? Between the Catholics and the Protestants, everyone >>>>goes to each other's hell. Bring a book, it's going to be crowded. >>> >>> >>> So after reading your spew with some amusement, I note you still >>> havent answered the question implied. So what ARE you going to do with >>> the vast majority of the citizens of the US who are religious? >> >>Sadly, nothing. Perhaps they will kill each other off. > >I hear they're into ritual cannibalism. Maybe we can have some fake >priests convince them that actually eating their young will bring them >closer to god. I'm wondering if Zepp takes part in the Wiccan rituals with PJ, or perhaps the two of them run howling through the woods on all fours with their noses in the air. Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:42:48 -0800, Omega wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > MarkA wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote: >> >> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766358/posts >> > >> > >> > America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >> > >> > Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >> > >> > >> > Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >> > >> > >> > Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >> > "theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >> > what the Left is calling Christians now. >> > >> > According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >> > that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >> > take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >> > has become against faithful Christians. >> > >> > "Of course there are Christian fascists in America," writes Rick >> > Perlstein in the New York Times Sunday Book Review. How else, for >> > example, to explain the cadres who took former Chief Justice Roy >> > Moore's Ten Commandments monument on tour? >> > >> > Perlstein was reviewing the latest in the recent crop of hate books >> > about the Christian faith, this one titled, American Fascists: The >> > Christian Right and the War on America, written by Chris Hedges. He >> > details all the wacky killings, like the Aryan brotherhood over the >> > last twenty-five years, and then concludes by saying that Christians >> > are about to do the same thing. Talk about guilt by association. >> > >> > The really dangerous thing here is that, by writing this kind of >> > stuff, they are likely to embolden some nut to start shooting pastors >> > and Christian leaders. >> > >> > >> You mean like the way some pastors and Christian leaders embolden some >> of their congregations to shoot abortion clinic doctors? Since when do >> you dislike martyrdom? > > You have ONE (1) case of such happening (Randoff) vs. millions dead by the > hands of Radical Islam. > You must not have been reading the paper the day James Kopp shot Dr. Slepian in the kitchen of his own house, sniper style. Kopp is also a suspect in several other shootings of abortion providers. Not to mention numerous cases of bombings, arson, etc against abortion clinics. >> > Perlstein was honest enough to admit that there has been no violence >> > from Christians lately-but he reminds us that there used to be, and >> > may be again, driven by all those violent Left Behind books. >> > >> > Gee, what a backhanded compliment! We're not as bad as we used to be- >> > or will be in the future. >> > >> > American Fascists is just the latest book in a long line of anti- >> > Christian literature to hit the best-seller lists-all reviewed and >> > promoted by the New York Times. Richard Dawkins, who wrote The God >> > Delusion, suggests that the government may have to stop parents from >> > sharing their religious beliefs with their kids, calling it a form of >> > child abuse. >> > >> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >> > >> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >> > be working. >> > >> > >> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >> moral issues. > > As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political > Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, > restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate > what we can drive, eat or even say? If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: > On 6 Feb 2007 19:50:58 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive:yes >>On Feb 7, 6:59 am, Stephen Knight <wool...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> On 6 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >>> >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>> >has become against faithful Christians. >>> >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. >>> >>> Assholes. >>> >>> Warlord Steve >>> BAAWA >> >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of >>converting to become Muslims. > > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote
Guest Jerry Kraus Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 Hey, it's not just atheists who are calling many southern baptists fascists. Take a look at the liberal Christian weekly magazine "Christianity Today", sometime. There's a war going on in the United States WITHIN the Christian faith, between the liberals and the neocons. Neocons aren't fascists because they're Christians. They're fascists because they're fascists. They're just trying to bring Christianity along with them. They're having some success, too. Quote
Guest pyotr filipivich Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:15:22 GMT in misc.survivalism : >On 6 Feb 2007 19:38:57 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive:yes >> >>On Feb 7, 7:15 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:42:00 -0500, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >>> >>> >>Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >>> >>> >>Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >>> >>> >>Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >>> >>"theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >>> >>what the Left is calling Christians now. >>> >>> >>According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>> >>that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>> >>take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>> >>has become against faithful Christians. >>> >>> >Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>> >over America. >>> >>> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >>> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. >>> >>> So you like tilting at windmills Sancho? >>> >>> Gunner >>> >>The unfortante problem is that most Americans have a belief in G-D >>that is very, very shallow. No passion, unlike Radical Muslims. >>Without a strong belief system, they will be blown away in the war >>that is coming to US soil.... > > >Ive been in enough hospices and ERs to know that its a lot deeper than >one thinks. > >Im still curious though about the militant atheists..what are they going >to do with all those (80%) God Believers? >Atheism, just another faith based belief system. It is interesting, the only religion that the atheists and agnostics really fear is the one which threatens to kill them for their atheism. Makes me wonder about their commitment. I suspect they might even enjoy a theocracy, as it would free them from the awesome burden of having to make a decision about which religion they'll be. Oh, they'll whine and complain, how they'd rather have been something else, but when faced with a simple "Conform or die" they'll conform. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich "Given our monstrous, overgrown government structure, any three letters chosen at random would probably designate an agency or part of a department that could be profitably abolished." Milton Freidman Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 7, 7:41 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:42:48 -0800, Omega wrote: > > x-no-archive:yes > > MarkA wrote: > >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote: > > >> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766358/posts > > >> > America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive > > >> > Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson > > >> > Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback > > >> > Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a > >> > "theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to > >> > what the Left is calling Christians now. > > >> > According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- > >> > that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to > >> > take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective > >> > has become against faithful Christians. > > >> > "Of course there are Christian fascists in America," writes Rick > >> > Perlstein in the New York Times Sunday Book Review. How else, for > >> > example, to explain the cadres who took former Chief Justice Roy > >> > Moore's Ten Commandments monument on tour? > > >> > Perlstein was reviewing the latest in the recent crop of hate books > >> > about the Christian faith, this one titled, American Fascists: The > >> > Christian Right and the War on America, written by Chris Hedges. He > >> > details all the wacky killings, like the Aryan brotherhood over the > >> > last twenty-five years, and then concludes by saying that Christians > >> > are about to do the same thing. Talk about guilt by association. > > >> > The really dangerous thing here is that, by writing this kind of > >> > stuff, they are likely to embolden some nut to start shooting pastors > >> > and Christian leaders. > > >> You mean like the way some pastors and Christian leaders embolden some > >> of their congregations to shoot abortion clinic doctors? Since when do > >> you dislike martyrdom? > > > You have ONE (1) case of such happening (Randoff) vs. millions dead by the > > hands of Radical Islam. > > You must not have been reading the paper the day James Kopp shot Dr. > Slepian in the kitchen of his own house, sniper style. Kopp is also a > suspect in several other shootings of abortion providers. Not to mention > numerous cases of bombings, arson, etc against abortion clinics. > Want to compare that to the over 80,000 moderate Muslims killed in just Alegia alone by Radical Islam? Or the 500 million killed by secularism from the French Revolution through Hitler through Stalin and Mao? Want to really, fairly, compare Radical Islam to conservative christianity? Go try living in Saudi Arabia then tell us. > > >> > Perlstein was honest enough to admit that there has been no violence > >> > from Christians lately-but he reminds us that there used to be, and > >> > may be again, driven by all those violent Left Behind books. > > >> > Gee, what a backhanded compliment! We're not as bad as we used to be- > >> > or will be in the future. > > >> > American Fascists is just the latest book in a long line of anti- > >> > Christian literature to hit the best-seller lists-all reviewed and > >> > promoted by the New York Times. Richard Dawkins, who wrote The God > >> > Delusion, suggests that the government may have to stop parents from > >> > sharing their religious beliefs with their kids, calling it a form of > >> > child abuse. > > >> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. > > >> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like > >> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might > >> > be working. > > >> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous > >> moral issues. > > > As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political > > Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, > > restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate > > what we can drive, eat or even say? > > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? Can homosexuals vote? Hold jobs? Then they have civil rights. Same for women. If you are talking about abortion, try European laws which are far more strict. Even Japanese laws. Maybe you are just a fool who has no real world experience.... Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: 36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" > > >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: > >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- > >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to > >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective > >>> >has become against faithful Christians. > > >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. > > >>> Assholes. > > >>> Warlord Steve > >>> BAAWA > > >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of > >>converting to become Muslims. > > > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. > > You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the > same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose > their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to > deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. > Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government > is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is > perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." > > If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, > insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural > bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! > It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. I find people like you to be closed minded. You have NEVER been to an evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in America. It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one full of hatred and bitterness. Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist anyway.... Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 7, 4:45 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote: > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> bloodied us up > with this: > > > The unfortante problem is that most Americans have a belief in G-D > > Your "O" key is broken. > Out of respect for the Holy One (HaShem), we never spell out even a referrence to HaShem (the Name). Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 7, 10:16 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:33:25 -0500, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> > wrote: > > > >>>>Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a > >>>>"theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to > >>>>what the Left is calling Christians now. > > >>>>According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- > >>>>that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to > >>>>take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective > >>>>has become against faithful Christians. > > >>>Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take > >>>over America. > > >>Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls > >>have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. > > >>So you like tilting at windmills Sancho? > > >Your talent for missing the point is truly breathtaking. What part of > >"the Christian Right" did you conflate with "all theists"? > > Hummm...Christian Right..ok..could you provide some numbers? Try to be > as specfic as possible. Perhaps some further discussion of the topic > might be in order. > > Gunner, sharpening the knives At best, the evangelical movement is about 60 million strong. In other words about 1 out of 5. However, the vast majority of Americans have a rather weak faith system that ranges from going to religious services a couple of times a year to just being secular. The whole religious right thing is a scare tactic, much like Global Warming.... Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 7, 4:37 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote: > > > > >> Hmmm... let's mull this over. > > >> In this, the 21st Century, Christians believe when you die some part > >> of you lives on. They believe a man died and came back to life, then > >> rose bodily into the sky and disappeared. They believe this man, who > >> was born a man without the benefit of a "Y" chromosome, healed sick > >> people by touching them or praying for them, was able to make food > >> fall from the sky; he walked on water, and expelled demons from > >> diseased people, curing them. They believe they are guilty of the > >> wrongdoings of the first man, even though science has proven there > >> was no "first man" just as there was no "first word" of any language. > >> And they believe someone can die in order for them to be forgiven of > >> these wrongdoings. > > >> And they think rational people are the cause for their personal > >> embarrassment? > > > You mean like the way that educated people believe that there is no > > reality other than what you think it is? That is called Post > > Modernism, very popular on college campuses. > > Actually it's called rationality, and it's the in thing over in Europe, > especially Scandinavia. > It is a "faith" thing.... > > Or that much of Global Warming fears have to be taken on faith as > > there are only computer models rather than hard data so far? > > > Much of what the Left believes is really bullshit.... > > There are leftist religious, and their bullshit smells as bad as the > republitards' bullshit. However much of the fear over the religious right is a fear tactic used to keep the Leftists in power. It is a paper tiger with no grounding in reality.... Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in news:1170886408.476525.197130 @v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > However much of the fear over the religious right is a fear tactic > used to keep the Leftists in power. It is a paper tiger with no > grounding in reality.... The leftists are in power? Did I miss a memo? -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in news:1170884646.841560.301120@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 7, 4:45 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote: >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> bloodied >> us up with this: >> >> > The unfortante problem is that most Americans have a belief in G-D >> >> Your "O" key is broken. >> > Out of respect for the Holy One (HaShem), we never spell out even a > referrence to HaShem (the Name). > > If the Holy One is Omniscient, he knows what you are thinking... -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in news:960ks21crd42dkpvrpek4m4paov1ba4tlm@4ax.com: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:52:09 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> > wrote: > >>Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >>news:fg9js25dg5u2vvkphfodu84no8e7les4cb@4ax.com: >> >>> On 07 Feb 2007 03:33:00 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>>>>>over America. >>>>> >>>>> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most >>>>> polls have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. >>>> >>>>Yeah, but they can't seem to agree about the proper way to worship, >>>>the qualifications for salvation, even the construct of the godhead. >>>>When you die, do you go right to heaven or hell, or is there a >>>>Judgement day? Or are you buried in order to wait for Revelation's >>>>return of jeebus and the Rapture? Are there only 144,000 spaces in >>>>heaven, and how do you know one is reserved for you? Or does everyone >>>>who satisfies whatever their version of Christianity is get to go? >>>>Who goes to hell? Between the Catholics and the Protestants, everyone >>>>goes to each other's hell. Bring a book, it's going to be crowded. >>> >>> >>> So after reading your spew with some amusement, I note you still >>> havent answered the question implied. So what ARE you going to do with >>> the vast majority of the citizens of the US who are religious? >> >>Sadly, nothing. Perhaps they will kill each other off. > > Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have a > much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least twenty million dead. Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to his activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by Hitler, so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. Klazmon. Quote
Guest raven1 Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 7 Feb 2007 13:41:40 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >x-no-archive:yes >On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: >36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >> >> >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: >> >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >> >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >> >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >> >>> >has become against faithful Christians. >> >> >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. >> >> >>> Assholes. >> >> >>> Warlord Steve >> >>> BAAWA >> >> >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of >> >>converting to become Muslims. >> >> > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. >> >> You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the >> same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose >> their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to >> deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. >> Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government >> is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is >> perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." >> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, >> insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural >> bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! >> It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. > >I find people like you to be closed minded. You have NEVER been to an >evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of >G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in >America. > >It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given >the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our >children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one >full of hatred and bitterness. > >Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >anyway.... I'm tempted to say "you're a bloody loon" and plonk you, but I'm curious to hear you provide examples of the above. Feel free. -- "O Sybilli, si ergo Fortibus es in ero O Nobili! Themis trux Sivat sinem? Causen Dux" Quote
Guest raven1 Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 7 Feb 2007 13:37:08 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >Want to compare that to the over 80,000 moderate Muslims killed in >just Alegia alone by Radical Islam? Or the 500 million killed by >secularism from the French Revolution through Hitler through Stalin >and Mao? Bullshit. Citation on the numbers, please. Also, Hitler was not a secularist. -- "O Sybilli, si ergo Fortibus es in ero O Nobili! Themis trux Sivat sinem? Causen Dux" Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 8, 12:26 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote: > On 7 Feb 2007 13:37:08 -0800, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Want to compare that to the over 80,000 moderate Muslims killed in > >just Alegia alone by Radical Islam? Or the 500 million killed by > >secularism from the French Revolution through Hitler through Stalin > >and Mao? > > Bullshit. Citation on the numbers, please. Also, Hitler was not a > secularist. > -- Hitler was not a religious person. He did use religious imagery but he was not a worshipper of any god other than himself. That makes him a secularist. As for communism, the USSR killed over 100 million, many for just being Jewish or Christian. The French Revolution killed over 250,000 Jews and Christians. Mao killed over 150 million, Pol Pot killed 2 million. Secularism has a long and bloody path in its goal to erase history, tradition and beliefs. Quote
Guest Kurt Nicklas Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Feb 7, 4:41 pm, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: > > 36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" > > > > > > > > > >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: > > >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- > > >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to > > >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective > > >>> >has become against faithful Christians. > > > >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. > > > >>> Assholes. > > > >>> Warlord Steve > > >>> BAAWA > > > >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of > > >>converting to become Muslims. > > > > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. > > > You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the > > same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose > > their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to > > deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. > > Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government > > is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is > > perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." > > > If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, > > insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural > > bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! > > It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. > > I find people like you to be closed minded. You have NEVER been to an > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of > G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in > America. > > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our > children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one > full of hatred and bitterness. Of course they believe that they can live our lives SO MUCH better than we can! You'll find that alt.atheism has the greatest concentration of self- righteous, condescending, bitter individuals per capita anywhere on Usenet. Quote
Guest John Baker Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:52:09 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >news:fg9js25dg5u2vvkphfodu84no8e7les4cb@4ax.com: > >> On 07 Feb 2007 03:33:00 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>>Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>>>>over America. <PIGGYBACKING> >>>> >>>> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most >>>> polls have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. That may well be true, but not all of that 80% are rabid militant fundies bent on turning the US into a theocracy. Those loons, whether they admit it or not, are still a minority. And I'd dare say that if you were to ask them what they think about a fundamentalist theocracy, a big chunk of that 80% might surprise you by siding with the secular faction. They may believe in God, but that doesn't mean they want to be force fed someone else's flavor of Christianity. >>> >>>Yeah, but they can't seem to agree about the proper way to worship, >>>the qualifications for salvation, even the construct of the godhead. >>>When you die, do you go right to heaven or hell, or is there a >>>Judgement day? Or are you buried in order to wait for Revelation's >>>return of jeebus and the Rapture? Are there only 144,000 spaces in >>>heaven, and how do you know one is reserved for you? Or does everyone >>>who satisfies whatever their version of Christianity is get to go? >>>Who goes to hell? Between the Catholics and the Protestants, everyone >>>goes to each other's hell. Bring a book, it's going to be crowded. >> >> >> So after reading your spew with some amusement, I note you still >> havent answered the question implied. So what ARE you going to do with >> the vast majority of the citizens of the US who are religious? > >Sadly, nothing. Perhaps they will kill each other off. Quote
Guest Stewart Gray Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: > > Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls > have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God > Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater than man. Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for they are not true believers who are practicing their faith. Quote
Guest Gandalf Grey Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 "Stewart Gray" <stewartgray@church.net> wrote in message news:MPG.203445c8be0441f998a2ae@news.motzarella.org... > Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God >> > Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater > than > man. Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for > they > are not true believers who are practicing their faith. > Welcome to Dominionism. Quote
Guest panamfloyd@hotmail.com Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Feb 7, 4:41 pm, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: > > 36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" > > > > > > > > > >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: > > >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- > > >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to > > >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective > > >>> >has become against faithful Christians. > > > >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. > > > >>> Assholes. > > > >>> Warlord Steve > > >>> BAAWA > > > >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of > > >>converting to become Muslims. > > > > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. > > > You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the > > same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose > > their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to > > deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. > > Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government > > is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is > > perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." > > > If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, > > insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural > > bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! > > It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. > > I find people like you to be closed minded. You have NEVER been to an > evangelical church. Wrong, boy-o! Southern Baptist, born & raised. > I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of > G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in > America. Who cares? All that proves is belief in Christian mythology is an equal opportunity delusion. > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our > children, what we drive. Bullshit. I'm not demanding that your moronic little tax-free torture temples be demolished. I'm not demanding that you go out dancing on Friday night. And if you can afford $3 a gallon gasoline, drive on! You and your ilk, on the other hand, want to keep the women in my life slaves to their wombs. You don't like abortion or contraception? Fine. Don't have or use them. Don't like alcohol on Sundays? Don't drink it. But if you think you bastards can inforce your sick little 15th century nonsense on my family down at the pharmacist or grocery store, you've got a rude awakening coming. Read my hips, you ignorant putz: I don't care what you dumbasses do on your own time, on your own dime. But you try to shove your stupid shit down my throat, and you'll end up missing a few teeth. > YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one > full of hatred and bitterness. A bitterness born from a lifetime of you sorry bastards being completely unable to MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUISINESS. As you reap, so shall you sew, moron. > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist > anyway Go fuck yourself. You're just jealous because Islam still has the power to enslave peoples that your own idiotic little myth has lost. The battle is not between Christianity and Islam..you're both on the same side. The battle is between the modern age, and the Medival age. PS: It is impossible for Islamic nations to be "fascist", because they have no heavy industry to back up the army's desires. -Panama Floyd, Atlanta aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA! EAC Martian Commander Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06 "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next." -Mark Twain Religious societies are less moral than secular ones: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:24:17 -0500, in alt.atheism Stewart Gray <stewartgray@church.net> wrote in <MPG.203445c8be0441f998a2ae@news.motzarella.org>: >Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God >> >Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater than >man. Really. Please explain this God and provide evidence to show that this God exists. >Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for they >are not true believers who are practicing their faith. Which worship is the correct one? Which god? Quote
Guest Douglas Berry Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 6 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800 there was an Ancient "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism >Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson Colson was known as President Nixon's hatchet man. Slate magazine writer David Plotz described Colson as "Richard Nixon's hard man, the 'evil genius' of an evil administration." Colson has written that he was "valuable to the President ... because I was willing ... to be ruthless in getting things done" Colson authored the 1971 memo listing Nixon's major political opponents, later known as Nixon's Enemies List. A quip that "Colson would walk over his own grandmother if necessary" mutated into claims in news stories that Colson had boasted that he would run over his own grandmother to re-elect Nixon. Plotz reports that Colson sought to hire Teamsters thugs to beat up anti-war demonstrators. John Dean maintains that Colson proposed firebombing the Brookings Institution and stealing politically damaging documents while firefighters put the fire out. At a CRP meeting on March 21, 1971, it was agreed to spend $250,000 on "intelligence gathering" on the Democratic Party. Colson and John Ehrlichman appointed E. Howard Hunt to the White House Special Operations Unit (the so-called "Plumbers") which had been organized to stop leaks in the Nixon administration. Hunt headed up the Plumbers' burglary of Pentagon Papers-leaker Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office in September 1971. The Pentagon Papers were military documents about the Vietnam War which helped increase opposition to the war. Colson hoped that revelations about Ellsberg could be used to discredit the anti-Vietnam War left. Colson admits to leaking information from Ellsberg's confidential FBI file to the press, but denies organizing Hunt's burglary of Ellsberg's office. He expressed regret for attempting to cover up this incident in his 2005 book, The Good Life. As Colson was facing arrest, his close friend Tom Phillips gave him a copy of Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, which led Colson to become an evangelical Christian. Several U. S. newspapers, as well as Newsweek and Time, ridiculed the conversion, claiming that it was a ploy to reduce his sentence. In 1974 Colson pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in the Ellsberg case. He was given a one-to-three year sentence and disbarred. He served seven months in Maxwell Correctional Facility in Alabama; he was released early by the sentencing judge because of family problems. Like I'm going to listen to this asshole about anything. -- Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5 Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011 "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein Quote
Guest Douglas Berry Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:15:00 GMT there was an Ancient Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism >Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. And the majority of those people rarely attend a church, see religion as being one of the less important things in their lives and support a strong seperation between church and state. -- Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5 Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011 "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein Quote
Guest 3103 Dead Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:24:17 -0500, Stewart Gray <stewartgray@church.net> wrote: >Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God >> >Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater than >man. Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for they >are not true believers who are practicing their faith. Hey, Stewie! My God can beat up your God! And my God doesn't even fucking EXIST! -- "Keeping us up here eats away at families. The Democrats could care less about families -- that's what this says." -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), quoted by the Washington Post, in response to incoming-Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's (D-MD) plan to increase the House's work schedule from three days a week to five. Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001 Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to. For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary, http://www.zeppscommentaries.com For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day) http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_news For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week) http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_essays a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson Quote
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