Guest MarkA Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:41:40 -0800, Omega wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: > 36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >> >> >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: >> >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >> >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >> >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the >> >>> >invective has become against faithful Christians. >> >> >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. >> >> >>> Assholes. >> >> >>> Warlord Steve >> >>> BAAWA >> >> >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process >> >>of converting to become Muslims. >> >> > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. >> >> You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the >> same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose >> their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying >> to deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious >> freedom. Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the >> government is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of >> course, it is perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims >> are "wrong." >> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of >> cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking >> so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see >> it that way. > > I find people like you to be closed minded. Now THERE'S a surprise! > You have NEVER been to an > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of G-D > was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in America. > There are a lot of things I don't know. So? > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given the > power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our children, what > we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one full of hatred and > bitterness. > No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict should be resolved in the least intrusive way. > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist > anyway.... I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They are even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:37:08 -0800, Omega wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 7, 7:41 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:42:48 -0800, Omega wrote: >> > x-no-archive:yes >> > MarkA wrote: >> >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote: >> >> >> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766358/posts >> >> >> > America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >> >> >> > Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >> >> >> > Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >> >> >> > Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >> >> > "theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared >> >> > to what the Left is calling Christians now. >> >> >> > According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >> >> > that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >> >> > take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the >> >> > invective has become against faithful Christians. >> >> >> > "Of course there are Christian fascists in America," writes Rick >> >> > Perlstein in the New York Times Sunday Book Review. How else, for >> >> > example, to explain the cadres who took former Chief Justice Roy >> >> > Moore's Ten Commandments monument on tour? >> >> >> > Perlstein was reviewing the latest in the recent crop of hate books >> >> > about the Christian faith, this one titled, American Fascists: The >> >> > Christian Right and the War on America, written by Chris Hedges. He >> >> > details all the wacky killings, like the Aryan brotherhood over the >> >> > last twenty-five years, and then concludes by saying that >> >> > Christians are about to do the same thing. Talk about guilt by >> >> > association. >> >> >> > The really dangerous thing here is that, by writing this kind of >> >> > stuff, they are likely to embolden some nut to start shooting >> >> > pastors and Christian leaders. >> >> >> You mean like the way some pastors and Christian leaders embolden >> >> some of their congregations to shoot abortion clinic doctors? Since >> >> when do you dislike martyrdom? >> >> > You have ONE (1) case of such happening (Randoff) vs. millions dead by >> > the hands of Radical Islam. >> >> You must not have been reading the paper the day James Kopp shot Dr. >> Slepian in the kitchen of his own house, sniper style. Kopp is also a >> suspect in several other shootings of abortion providers. Not to >> mention numerous cases of bombings, arson, etc against abortion clinics. >> >> > Want to compare that to the over 80,000 moderate Muslims killed in just > Alegia alone by Radical Islam? Or the 500 million killed by secularism > from the French Revolution through Hitler through Stalin and Mao? > > Want to really, fairly, compare Radical Islam to conservative > christianity? Go try living in Saudi Arabia then tell us. > Oh, we're having a contest? What is the prize? The issue under consideration is the fear that books promoting atheism will "embolden some nut to start shooting pastors and Christian leaders." When has an atheist EVER committed ANY act of violence against ANY religious leader, over conflicting beliefs in God? Only theists are that maniacal. I'm not arguing that Muslims are any better than Christians in that regard. Remember what Sam Harris had to say: "Religion allows people, en masse, to believe what only a lunatic or idiot could believe on their own." >> >> > Perlstein was honest enough to admit that there has been no >> >> > violence from Christians lately-but he reminds us that there used >> >> > to be, and may be again, driven by all those violent Left Behind >> >> > books. >> >> >> > Gee, what a backhanded compliment! We're not as bad as we used to >> >> > be- or will be in the future. >> >> >> > American Fascists is just the latest book in a long line of anti- >> >> > Christian literature to hit the best-seller lists-all reviewed and >> >> > promoted by the New York Times. Richard Dawkins, who wrote The God >> >> > Delusion, suggests that the government may have to stop parents >> >> > from sharing their religious beliefs with their kids, calling it a >> >> > form of child abuse. >> >> >> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >> >> >> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, >> >> > like abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs >> >> > it might be working. >> >> >> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are >> >> ponderous moral issues. >> >> > As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's >> > Political Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to >> > ban smoking, restrict the rights of the working class (like gun >> > rights) or dictate what we can drive, eat or even say? >> >> If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >> obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? > > Can homosexuals vote? Hold jobs? Then they have civil rights. Same > for women. > Can they inherit their partners property? File joint tax returns? Have family visitation priveliges in a hospital? Make end-of-life decisions? Yes, they have some civil rights. Just like the blacks did, before the early 60's. > If you are talking about abortion, try European laws which are far more > strict. Even Japanese laws. Maybe you are just a fool who has no real > world experience.... When did I argue that Europe and Japan had superior abortion laws? Certainly, countries that treat human sexuality as something natural have much lower rates of teen pregnancy, STDs, etc. Nothing would make me happier than if there were never a need for an abortion, but that is not likely to happen, especially in a country where some people's idea of sex education is to stand in front of the class and tell the students that if they engage in pre-marital sex they will burn in Hell forever. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >> >> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have >> a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. >> > >The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not committed >in the name of atheism, were they? They were political issues. OTOH, how >many murders were committed in the name of religion? No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. So perhaps its something in your mindsets. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:09:45 -0500, "Rob Brown" <bbrown@csmflorida.com> wrote: >>> >>> So after reading your spew with some amusement, I note you still >>> havent answered the question implied. So what ARE you going to do with >>> the vast majority of the citizens of the US who are religious? > > No need to do anything with many of the yes men. Answering yes to the >question, "Do you believe in god?", and being religious or acting in >accordence with a religion's tenets are not at all the same. It's my >experience that many who answer yes want nothing to do with religion or a >lifestyle that most religions would condone. > I consider this to be a moderating factor in how much religion can impose >their beliefs by law. If you attempt to force many of the yes men to act >anything like a christian or muslim they will de facto side with >secularists. > Many of your 80% live and act no different than secularists and always >will. >Rob Brown Yes and? Anyone that believes in God is anithema to Athiests. Just a matter of degree. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:36:17 -0500, "I KILLED YOUR GOD....IT WAS EASY!" <nunia@damnbizznizz.com> wrote: >hey gunner-you and your kind are done. >and your too stupid to figure that out. >i raised my four children to be smart=ATHEIST'S! >and now they teach thier children-my grand children-the seem proper idea. >i killed your god-it was easy. > Just out of curiosity..what is my "kind" You do know that Im Buddhist, right? Ill be waiting for your response. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:41:05 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:42:48 -0800, Omega wrote: > >> x-no-archive:yes >> MarkA wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote: >>> >>> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766358/posts >>> > >>> > >>> > America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >>> > >>> > Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >>> > >>> > >>> > Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >>> > >>> > >>> > Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >>> > "theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >>> > what the Left is calling Christians now. >>> > >>> > According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>> > that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>> > take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>> > has become against faithful Christians. >>> > >>> > "Of course there are Christian fascists in America," writes Rick >>> > Perlstein in the New York Times Sunday Book Review. How else, for >>> > example, to explain the cadres who took former Chief Justice Roy >>> > Moore's Ten Commandments monument on tour? >>> > >>> > Perlstein was reviewing the latest in the recent crop of hate books >>> > about the Christian faith, this one titled, American Fascists: The >>> > Christian Right and the War on America, written by Chris Hedges. He >>> > details all the wacky killings, like the Aryan brotherhood over the >>> > last twenty-five years, and then concludes by saying that Christians >>> > are about to do the same thing. Talk about guilt by association. >>> > >>> > The really dangerous thing here is that, by writing this kind of >>> > stuff, they are likely to embolden some nut to start shooting pastors >>> > and Christian leaders. >>> > >>> > >>> You mean like the way some pastors and Christian leaders embolden some >>> of their congregations to shoot abortion clinic doctors? Since when do >>> you dislike martyrdom? >> >> You have ONE (1) case of such happening (Randoff) vs. millions dead by the >> hands of Radical Islam. >> > >You must not have been reading the paper the day James Kopp shot Dr. >Slepian in the kitchen of his own house, sniper style. Kopp is also a >suspect in several other shootings of abortion providers. Not to mention >numerous cases of bombings, arson, etc against abortion clinics. > Yes and? Now that makes (2). Quite the trend eh? Gunner > >>> > Perlstein was honest enough to admit that there has been no violence >>> > from Christians lately-but he reminds us that there used to be, and >>> > may be again, driven by all those violent Left Behind books. >>> > >>> > Gee, what a backhanded compliment! We're not as bad as we used to be- >>> > or will be in the future. >>> > >>> > American Fascists is just the latest book in a long line of anti- >>> > Christian literature to hit the best-seller lists-all reviewed and >>> > promoted by the New York Times. Richard Dawkins, who wrote The God >>> > Delusion, suggests that the government may have to stop parents from >>> > sharing their religious beliefs with their kids, calling it a form of >>> > child abuse. >>> > >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >>> > >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >>> > be working. >>> > >>> > >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >>> moral issues. >> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate >> what we can drive, eat or even say? > >If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:25:01 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote: >> >>Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>anyway.... > >I'm tempted to say "you're a bloody loon" and plonk you, but I'm >curious to hear you provide examples of the above. Feel free. >-- > >"O Sybilli, si ergo Atheism...just another faith based belief system Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 7 Feb 2007 13:52:08 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hummm...Christian Right..ok..could you provide some numbers? Try to be >> as specfic as possible. Perhaps some further discussion of the topic >> might be in order. >> >> Gunner, sharpening the knives > >At best, the evangelical movement is about 60 million strong. In >other words about 1 out of 5. However, the vast majority of Americans >have a rather weak faith system that ranges from going to religious >services a couple of times a year to just being secular. > >The whole religious right thing is a scare tactic, much like Global >Warming.... Absolutely correct;. Its a paper tiger the leftards trot out when its time to ask for donations. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 8 Feb 2007 12:05:48 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> >> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have a >> much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. > >No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics wiped >out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are the >episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by Cortez and >his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least twenty million >dead. > >Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but note >that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to his >activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided economic >doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's regime played >a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by Hitler, so I don't put >him in the same league as Pol Pot. > >Klazmon. Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over 175 million people in the last 70 yrs. Doesn't speak well for your mind sets or your value systems now doesn't it? Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:12:43 -0500, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most >>>>> polls have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. > >That may well be true, but not all of that 80% are rabid militant >fundies bent on turning the US into a theocracy. Those loons, whether >they admit it or not, are still a minority. > >And I'd dare say that if you were to ask them what they think about a >fundamentalist theocracy, a big chunk of that 80% might surprise you >by siding with the secular faction. They may believe in God, but that >doesn't mean they want to be force fed someone else's flavor of >Christianity. Excellent observation. Now about the claims of the Radical Christers are going to take over and set up a theocracy... Pretty much puts the lie to it now doesnt it? Obviously simply a scare tactic from Leftards and their spawn the Athiests Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Lisbeth Andersson Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Stewart Gray <stewartgray@church.net> wrote in news:MPG.203445c8be0441f998a2ae@news.motzarella.org: > Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems >> most polls have for years indicated that 80% of Americans >> believe in God >> > Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is > greater than man. Those who fail to attend services of worship > should be arrested for they are not true believers who are > practicing their faith. > In your theocracy, should infant baptism be mandatory or prohibited? Lisbeth. ---- The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die. What we know is not nearly as interesting as how we know it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 02:17:04 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote: > As Colson was facing arrest, his close friend Tom Phillips gave him a > copy of Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, which led Colson to become an > evangelical Christian. Several U. S. newspapers, as well as Newsweek > and Time, ridiculed the conversion, claiming that it was a ploy to > reduce his sentence. Ayup. John Dean has had some interesting things to say about Colson... -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths." - Bertrand Russell Quote
Guest firelock_ny@hotmail.com Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Feb 6, 6:16 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote: > On Feb 6, 1:15 pm, "PerfectlyAble" <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote: > > LOL. Hitler, Hiroheto, were theocrats. > > You are delerious. Tell us what religion Hilter headed up.. your own? Adolf Hitler was a Catholic. He had the German phrase for "God is With Us" printed on each of his soldiers' uniforms. He repeatedly called on the German people to join him in promoting Christianity, presenting his nation as a Christian bulwark against the Communists who were seen by him as dangerous atheists. Hirohito's position as Emperor of Japan made him a living religious symbol in the state religion of Japan at the time. -- Walt Smith Firelock on DALNet Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 "Stewart Gray" <stewartgray@church.net> wrote in message snip > Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater > than > man. What god? Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for they > are not true believers who are practicing their faith. Try it, knucklehead. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:41:05 -0500, MarkA wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:42:48 -0800, Omega wrote: > >> x-no-archive:yes >> MarkA wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote: >>> >>> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766358/posts >>> > >>> > >>> > America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >>> > >>> > Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >>> > >>> > >>> > Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >>> > >>> > >>> > Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >>> > "theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >>> > what the Left is calling Christians now. >>> > >>> > According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>> > that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>> > take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>> > has become against faithful Christians. >>> > >>> > "Of course there are Christian fascists in America," writes Rick >>> > Perlstein in the New York Times Sunday Book Review. How else, for >>> > example, to explain the cadres who took former Chief Justice Roy >>> > Moore's Ten Commandments monument on tour? >>> > >>> > Perlstein was reviewing the latest in the recent crop of hate books >>> > about the Christian faith, this one titled, American Fascists: The >>> > Christian Right and the War on America, written by Chris Hedges. He >>> > details all the wacky killings, like the Aryan brotherhood over the >>> > last twenty-five years, and then concludes by saying that Christians >>> > are about to do the same thing. Talk about guilt by association. >>> > >>> > The really dangerous thing here is that, by writing this kind of >>> > stuff, they are likely to embolden some nut to start shooting pastors >>> > and Christian leaders. >>> > >>> > >>> You mean like the way some pastors and Christian leaders embolden some >>> of their congregations to shoot abortion clinic doctors? Since when do >>> you dislike martyrdom? >> >> You have ONE (1) case of such happening (Randoff) vs. millions dead by the >> hands of Radical Islam. >> > > You must not have been reading the paper the day James Kopp shot Dr. > Slepian in the kitchen of his own house, sniper style. Kopp is also a > suspect in several other shootings of abortion providers. Not to mention > numerous cases of bombings, arson, etc against abortion clinics. > > >>> > Perlstein was honest enough to admit that there has been no violence >>> > from Christians lately-but he reminds us that there used to be, and >>> > may be again, driven by all those violent Left Behind books. >>> > >>> > Gee, what a backhanded compliment! We're not as bad as we used to be- >>> > or will be in the future. >>> > >>> > American Fascists is just the latest book in a long line of anti- >>> > Christian literature to hit the best-seller lists-all reviewed and >>> > promoted by the New York Times. Richard Dawkins, who wrote The God >>> > Delusion, suggests that the government may have to stop parents from >>> > sharing their religious beliefs with their kids, calling it a form of >>> > child abuse. >>> > >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >>> > >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >>> > be working. >>> > >>> > >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >>> moral issues. >> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate >> what we can drive, eat or even say? > > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? > Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is a merger of State and corporate power." - Mussolini Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:37:15 -0800, Gandalf Grey wrote: > "Kurt Dickless" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:1170815009.270983.255220@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 6, 3:42 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote: >>> On 6 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: >>> >>> >America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >>> >>> >Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >>> >>> >Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >>> >>> >Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >>> >"theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >>> >what the Left is calling Christians now. >>> >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>> >has become against faithful Christians. >>> >>> Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>> over America. >> >> What's gonna strike first - "Global Warming" or "Christian Right >> Takeover"?? > > Right Wingers becoming a super-minority in 2008. > > And you helped, Dickless If they keep going the way they have been, the GOP won't be able to elect a dog catcher in '08... -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Christianity is to religions as Windows is to operating systems." - Scott (#1045) Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:33:00 +0000, Uncle Vic wrote: > One fine day in alt.atheism, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> bloodied us > up with this: > >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:42:00 -0500, raven1 > <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On 6 Feb 2007 12:10:36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >>><sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>America's Secular Jihadists: Atheists on the Offensive >>>> >>>>Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/12/2007 | Chuck Colson >>>> >>>> >>>>Posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback >>>> >>>> >>>>Just a few months ago, I thought it was insulting to be called a >>>>"theocrat." I was wrong. "Theocrat" is almost a compliment compared to >>>>what the Left is calling Christians now. >>>> >>>>According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >>>>that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >>>>take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >>>>has become against faithful Christians. >>> >>>Colson is a fascist. And the Christian Right is trying to take >>>over America. >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God. > > Yeah, but they can't seem to agree about the proper way to worship, the > qualifications for salvation, even the construct of the godhead. When > you die, do you go right to heaven or hell, or is there a Judgement day? > Or are you buried in order to wait for Revelation's return of jeebus and > the Rapture? Are there only 144,000 spaces in heaven, and how do you > know one is reserved for you? Or does everyone who satisfies whatever > their version of Christianity is get to go? Who goes to hell? Between > the Catholics and the Protestants, everyone goes to each other's hell. > Bring a book, it's going to be crowded. > > Be sure not to mention that the percentage of believers goes down every year... -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >> > >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. > > >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like > >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might > >>> > be working. > > >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous > >>> moral issues. > > >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political > >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, > >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate > >> what we can drive, eat or even say? > > > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an > > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? > > Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned > smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. > > Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, they are ruled by Leftists. Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other > >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of > >> cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking > >> so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see > >> it that way. > > > I find people like you to be closed minded. > > Now THERE'S a surprise! > > > You have NEVER been to an > > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of G-D > > was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in America. > > There are a lot of things I don't know. So? Then you are closed minded and uneducated. > > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given the > > power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our children, what > > we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one full of hatred and > > bitterness. > > No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When > those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict should > be resolved in the least intrusive way. Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. We do not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free of you and your beliefs. > > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist > > anyway.... > > I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They are > even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put to your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And those kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The police now feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for attacks by radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school buses. Weak idiots like you will surrender under such attacks, just as the French did to the Nazis. Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> > wrote: > >>> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >>> religious. >>> >> >>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not >>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political >>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of >>religion? > > > No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded > and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. > > So perhaps its something in your mindsets. > > Gunner > > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as > it commits suicide" - James Burnham > Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Dion Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns98D180DFE8C10vicman@216.196.97.142... > Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in > news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: > > > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> > > wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists > >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the > >>> religious. > >>> > >> > >>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not > >>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political > >>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of > >>religion? > > > > > > No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded > > and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. > > > > So perhaps its something in your mindsets. > > > > Gunner > > > > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as > > it commits suicide" - James Burnham > > > > Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. I'd like to know how many people Gunner the Christian has killed during his life. Dion Quote
Guest PerfectlyAble Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote: > On Feb 6, 6:16 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote: > > On Feb 6, 1:15 pm, "PerfectlyAble" <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote: > > > LOL. Hitler, Hiroheto, were theocrats. > > > > You are delerious. Tell us what religion Hilter headed up.. your own? > > Adolf Hitler was a Catholic. He had the German phrase for > "God is With Us" printed on each of his soldiers' uniforms. > He repeatedly called on the German people to join him in > promoting Christianity, presenting his nation as a Christian > bulwark against the Communists who were seen by him > as dangerous atheists. > > Hirohito's position as Emperor of Japan made him a > living religious symbol in the state religion of Japan > at the time. Western Society is about individuals taking responsibility for themselves for themselves not to God, or someones version of God that doesn't suit. Obviously some really rich theist scum have too much time and money on their hands in the USA and Saudi Arabia. > > -- > Walt Smith > Firelock on DALNet Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0800, Omega wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> >> >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >> >> >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, >> >>> > like abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs >> >>> > it might be working. >> >> >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are >> >>> ponderous moral issues. >> >> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's >> >> Political Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to >> >> ban smoking, restrict the rights of the working class (like gun >> >> rights) or dictate what we can drive, eat or even say? >> >> > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >> > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? >> >> Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned >> smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. >> >> Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? > > Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, they > are ruled by Leftists. IOW, they are not true conservatives! -- MarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different) Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:40:24 -0800, Omega wrote: > x-no-archive:yes > > On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >> >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of >> >> cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop >> >> thinking so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train >> >> yourself to see it that way. >> >> > I find people like you to be closed minded. >> >> Now THERE'S a surprise! >> >> > You have NEVER been to an >> > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of >> > G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in >> > America. >> >> There are a lot of things I don't know. So? > > Then you are closed minded and uneducated. And you are not? Wow. I never met someone who knew everything before. How do you keep up with all the new discoveries every day in every area of human endeavor? > >> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given >> > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our >> > children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one >> > full of hatred and bitterness. >> >> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When >> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict >> should be resolved in the least intrusive way. > > Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. We do > not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free of you and > your beliefs. > Really? Where does that 'right' come from? Oh, wait, I forgot. You are one of those theocrats who think they have to right to do everything exactly the way they want to, regardless of its impact on others. >> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >> > anyway.... >> >> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They >> are even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. > > Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put to > your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, > starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And those > kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The police now > feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for attacks by > radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school buses. Weak idiots > like you will surrender under such attacks, just as the French did to the > Nazis. Then maybe the USA should stop acting like a drunken cowboy, shooting up the place, and expecting everyone else to be in awe of our magnificence. That may be tough, considering that our President IS a drunken cowboy. At least now we have a congress that won't rubber stamp all of his insane ideas. -- MarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different) Quote
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in news:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: > On 8 Feb 2007 12:05:48 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > >>> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have >>> a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. >> >>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are >>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by >>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least >>twenty million dead. >> >>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but >>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to his >>activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided >>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's >>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by Hitler, >>so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. >> >>Klazmon. > > > Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over 175 > million people in the last 70 yrs. Nope. You are counting wars initiated by the Christian Hitler and far Eastern countries attempts to throw off their colonial masters. The later are no different to the war of independence in North America. As I said none of these conflicts over the last century got even close percentage wise to the war between the Lutherans and the Catholics of the Holy Roman empire. Klazmon. > > Doesn't speak well for your mind sets or your value systems now doesn't > it? > > Gunner > > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as > it commits suicide" - James Burnham > Quote
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