Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in news:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: > On 8 Feb 2007 12:05:48 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > >>> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >>> religious. >> >>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are >>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by >>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least >>twenty million dead. >> >>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but >>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to >>his activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided >>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's >>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by >>Hitler, so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. >> >>Klazmon. > > > Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over > 175 million people in the last 70 yrs. > You are a liar and an idiot. <plonk> -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest John Baker Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 On 8 Feb 2007 11:40:24 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >x-no-archive:yes > >On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >> >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of >> >> cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking >> >> so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see >> >> it that way. >> >> > I find people like you to be closed minded. >> >> Now THERE'S a surprise! >> >> > You have NEVER been to an >> > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of G-D >> > was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in America. >> >> There are a lot of things I don't know. So? > >Then you are closed minded and uneducated. > >> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given the >> > power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our children, what >> > we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one full of hatred and >> > bitterness. >> >> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When >> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict should >> be resolved in the least intrusive way. > >Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. >We do not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free >of you and your beliefs. > >> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >> > anyway.... >> >> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They are >> even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. > >Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put >to your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, >starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And >those kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The >police now feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for >attacks by radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school >buses. Weak idiots like you will surrender under such attacks, just >as the French did to the Nazis. Typical Christian rightie. Stupid, arrogant and clueless. Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 8, 10:36 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote innews:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: > > > >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have > >>> a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. > > >>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics > >>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are > >>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by > >>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least > >>twenty million dead. > > >>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but > >>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to his > >>activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided > >>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's > >>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by Hitler, > >>so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. > > >>Klazmon. > > > Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over 175 > > million people in the last 70 yrs. > > Nope. You are counting wars initiated by the Christian Hitler and far > Eastern countries attempts to throw off their colonial masters. The later > are no different to the war of independence in North America. As I said > none of these conflicts over the last century got even close percentage > wise to the war between the Lutherans and the Catholics of the Holy Roman > empire. > > Klazmon. At best Hitler was a neo-pagan who practiced the system of king worship like the ancient Romans did. There is no evidence that he was Christian. The problem is that secularism has much in common with neo-paganism. Quote
Guest Omega Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 x-no-archive:yes On Feb 8, 10:36 pm, MarkA <manth...@stopspam.net> wrote: > >> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given > >> > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our > >> > children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one > >> > full of hatred and bitterness. > > >> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When > >> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict > >> should be resolved in the least intrusive way. > > > Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. We do > > not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free of you and > > your beliefs. > > Really? Where does that 'right' come from? Oh, wait, I forgot. You are > one of those theocrats who think they have to right to do everything > exactly the way they want to, regardless of its impact on others. So the government has the power to force people live together? Maybe forced marriage as well? Why not take the kids from the parents and put them into military boarding schools? > >> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist > >> > anyway.... > > >> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They > >> are even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. > > > Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put to > > your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, > > starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And those > > kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The police now > > feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for attacks by > > radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school buses. Weak idiots > > like you will surrender under such attacks, just as the French did to the > > Nazis. > > Then maybe the USA should stop acting like a drunken cowboy, shooting up > the place, and expecting everyone else to be in awe of our magnificence. > That may be tough, considering that our President IS a drunken cowboy. At > least now we have a congress that won't rubber stamp all of his insane > ideas. This is a fight that we did not start. You can hide but it will be fought on US soil. Radical Islam is here, in the US now. They are actively converting young intercity kids to their ranks, preparing them to conquer you. You do not have the will to fight, you will be conquered. Fools like you are weak. You are the one who believes in foolish lies such as "if we ignore them, they will go away" or "the US is on a crusade". Radical Islam already has made in roads to your thinking process. It is just a matter of time before you knee to them in total submission.... Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in news:1170977526.913803.266110@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 8, 10:36 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote >> innews:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: >> >> >> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >> >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >> >>> religious. >> >> >>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >> >>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there >> >>are the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of >> >>Mexico by Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led >> >>to at least twenty million dead. >> >> >>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist >> >>but note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a >> >>stop to his activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a >> >>misguided economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note >> >>that Stalin's regime played a big part in shortening the horrors >> >>unleashed by Hitler, so I don't put him in the same league as Pol >> >>Pot. >> >> >>Klazmon. >> >> > Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well >> > over 175 million people in the last 70 yrs. >> >> Nope. You are counting wars initiated by the Christian Hitler and far >> Eastern countries attempts to throw off their colonial masters. The >> later are no different to the war of independence in North America. >> As I said none of these conflicts over the last century got even >> close percentage wise to the war between the Lutherans and the >> Catholics of the Holy Roman empire. >> >> Klazmon. > > At best Hitler was a neo-pagan who practiced the system of king > worship like the ancient Romans did. There is no evidence that he was > Christian. > > The problem is that secularism has much in common with neo-paganism. > > > "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Hitler, Adolph; Speech, Reichstag, 1936] "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people." [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933] "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46] "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941] -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in news:1170977526.913803.266110@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > x-no-archive:yes > On Feb 8, 10:36 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote >> innews:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: >> >> >> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >> >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >> >>> religious. >> >> >>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >> >>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are >> >>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by >> >>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least >> >>twenty million dead. >> >> >>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but >> >>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to >> >>his activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided >> >>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's >> >>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by >> >>Hitler, so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. >> >> >>Klazmon. >> >> > Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over >> > 175 million people in the last 70 yrs. >> >> Nope. You are counting wars initiated by the Christian Hitler and far >> Eastern countries attempts to throw off their colonial masters. The >> later are no different to the war of independence in North America. As >> I said none of these conflicts over the last century got even close >> percentage wise to the war between the Lutherans and the Catholics of >> the Holy Roman empire. >> >> Klazmon. > > At best Hitler was a neo-pagan who practiced the system of king > worship like the ancient Romans did. There is no evidence that he was > Christian. > > The problem is that secularism has much in common with neo-paganism. > > Hitler was a Roman Catholic. His armies had 'Gott mit uns' (god is with us) stamped on their belt buckles. His antisemitism is very much in line with Christian tradition both Catholic and Protestant for hundreds of years. You may not like what he did and I suppose next we will be hearing bagpipes from your no true scotsman fallacy. Klazmon. Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:25:48 -0500, MarkA wrote: > On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0800, Omega wrote: > >> x-no-archive:yes >> On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >>> >>> >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, >>> >>> > like abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs >>> >>> > it might be working. >>> >>> >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are >>> >>> ponderous moral issues. >>> >>> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's >>> >> Political Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to >>> >> ban smoking, restrict the rights of the working class (like gun >>> >> rights) or dictate what we can drive, eat or even say? >>> >>> > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >>> > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? >>> >>> Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned >>> smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. >>> >>> Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? >> >> Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, they >> are ruled by Leftists. > > IOW, they are not true conservatives! > Neither are the Republican majority legislators of Texas. They just hiked cigarette taxes through the roof. A carton went up about $15 all at once. Tax and spend liberals! -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering Quote
Guest raven1 Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:13:15 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: >On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:25:01 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> >wrote: > >>> >>>Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>>anyway.... >> >>I'm tempted to say "you're a bloody loon" and plonk you, but I'm >>curious to hear you provide examples of the above. Feel free. >>-- >> >>"O Sybilli, si ergo > > >Atheism...just another faith based belief system Non-responsive reply duly noted. -- "O Sybilli, si ergo Fortibus es in ero O Nobili! Themis trux Sivat sinem? Causen Dux" Quote
Guest raven1 Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On 7 Feb 2007 16:56:52 -0800, "Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote: >On Feb 7, 4:41 pm, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote: >> x-no-archive:yes >> On Feb 7, 7:58 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:10 -0500, raven1 wrote: >> >> 36 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote: >> > >>> >According to a New York Times review, we Christians are fascists- >> > >>> >that's what the Nazis were. And if we're not stopped, we'll try to >> > >>> >take over America. It's an illustration of how vicious the invective >> > >>> >has become against faithful Christians. >> >> > >>> Never mind you 'are' trying to take over America. >> >> > >>> Assholes. >> >> > >>> Warlord Steve >> > >>> BAAWA >> >> > >>The Left is so in love with Radical Islam that they are in the process of >> > >>converting to become Muslims. >> >> > > A lie is a very poor way to introduce yourself. >> >> > You have to keep in mind that Christian fundies don't use language the >> > same way normal people do. For example, they have the "right" to impose >> > their theology on unwilling people, especially school children. Trying to >> > deprive them of that right is an "assault" on their religious freedom. >> > Lack of religion, or religious neutrality on the part of the government >> > is, itself, a form of "state-sponsored" religion. And of course, it is >> > perfectly obvious that Christians are "right", and Muslims are "wrong." >> >> > If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other fellow, >> > insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of cultural >> > bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking so much!! >> > It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see it that way. >> >> I find people like you to be closed minded. You have NEVER been to an >> evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of >> G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in >> America. >> >> It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given >> the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our >> children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one >> full of hatred and bitterness. > >Of course they believe that they can live our lives SO MUCH better >than >we can! > >You'll find that alt.atheism has the greatest concentration of self- >righteous, >condescending, bitter individuals per capita anywhere on Usenet. Virtually all of them being right-wing theist assholes like you. -- "O Sybilli, si ergo Fortibus es in ero O Nobili! Themis trux Sivat sinem? Causen Dux" Quote
Guest raven1 Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On 7 Feb 2007 16:34:48 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >x-no-archive:yes >On Feb 8, 12:26 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote: >> On 7 Feb 2007 13:37:08 -0800, "Omega" <Omega....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Want to compare that to the over 80,000 moderate Muslims killed in >> >just Alegia alone by Radical Islam? Or the 500 million killed by >> >secularism from the French Revolution through Hitler through Stalin >> >and Mao? >> >> Bullshit. Citation on the numbers, please. Also, Hitler was not a >> secularist. >> -- > >Hitler was not a religious person. He did use religious imagery but >he was not a worshipper of any god other than himself. That makes him >a secularist. Rationalization noted. > As for communism, Communism and atheism are not synonymous, nor are Communism and secularism. Ever heard of "Liberation Theology"? >the USSR killed over 100 million, >many for just being Jewish or Christian. The French Revolution killed >over 250,000 Jews and Christians. Mao killed over 150 million, Pol >Pot killed 2 million. I said citations, not assertions. Sources, please. -- "O Sybilli, si ergo Fortibus es in ero O Nobili! Themis trux Sivat sinem? Causen Dux" Quote
Guest strabo Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 Stewart Gray wrote: > Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net said: >> >> Seems to be too late for your ilk to do much about it. Seems most polls >> have for years indicated that 80% of Americans believe in God >> > Which is why we should be a theocracy, not a democracy. God is greater than > man. Those who fail to attend services of worship should be arrested for they > are not true believers who are practicing their faith. > If God wanted that them arrested he would do so. That some believe that they must act in the place of God demonstrates the fallacy of a theocracy. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On 8 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >x-no-archive:yes >On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> >> >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >> >> >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >> >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >> >>> > be working. >> >> >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >> >>> moral issues. >> >> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political >> >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, >> >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate >> >> what we can drive, eat or even say? >> >> > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >> > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? >> >> Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned >> smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. >> >> Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? > >Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, >they are ruled by Leftists. True indeed. Like California. A Red State with Blue control Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:27:53 -0500, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >On 8 Feb 2007 11:40:24 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive:yes >> >>On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >>> >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect of >>> >> cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop thinking >>> >> so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train yourself to see >>> >> it that way. >>> >>> > I find people like you to be closed minded. >>> >>> Now THERE'S a surprise! >>> >>> > You have NEVER been to an >>> > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies of G-D >>> > was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church in America. >>> >>> There are a lot of things I don't know. So? >> >>Then you are closed minded and uneducated. >> >>> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given the >>> > power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our children, what >>> > we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one full of hatred and >>> > bitterness. >>> >>> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When >>> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict should >>> be resolved in the least intrusive way. >> >>Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. >>We do not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free >>of you and your beliefs. >> >>> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>> > anyway.... >>> >>> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They are >>> even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. >> >>Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put >>to your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, >>starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And >>those kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The >>police now feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for >>attacks by radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school >>buses. Weak idiots like you will surrender under such attacks, just >>as the French did to the Nazis. > >Typical Christian rightie. Stupid, arrogant and clueless. > > Actually..he was pretty accurate. and no..Im not Christian or Jew Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:40:11 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: > >> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >>>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >>>> religious. >>>> >>> >>>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not >>>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political >>>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of >>>religion? >> >> >> No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded >> and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. >> >> So perhaps its something in your mindsets. >> >> Gunner >> >> "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as >> it commits suicide" - James Burnham >> > >Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. When you have something of worth to teach..get back to us. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:50:30 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote: > >"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message >news:Xns98D180DFE8C10vicman@216.196.97.142... >> Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >> news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: >> >> > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>> >> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >> >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >> >>> religious. >> >>> >> >> >> >>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not >> >>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political >> >>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of >> >>religion? >> > >> > >> > No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded >> > and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. >> > >> > So perhaps its something in your mindsets. >> > >> > Gunner >> > >> > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as >> > it commits suicide" - James Burnham >> > >> >> Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. > >I'd like to know how many people Gunner the Christian has killed during his >life. >Dion > Far as I can figure..Ive killed several hundred directly and mostly intentionally and been responsible for at least a thousand more..could be several thousand. Some times one isnt able to match up all the feet and so forth. Btw..Dion? Im not a Christian. But thanks for playing the fool where all can see. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On 9 Feb 2007 11:36:14 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >news:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: > >> On 8 Feb 2007 12:05:48 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th >> <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists have >>>> a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the religious. >>> >>>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >>>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are >>>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by >>>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least >>>twenty million dead. >>> >>>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but >>>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to his >>>activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided >>>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's >>>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by Hitler, >>>so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. >>> >>>Klazmon. >> >> >> Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over 175 >> million people in the last 70 yrs. > >Nope. You are counting wars initiated by the Christian Hitler and far >Eastern countries attempts to throw off their colonial masters. The later >are no different to the war of independence in North America. As I said >none of these conflicts over the last century got even close percentage >wise to the war between the Lutherans and the Catholics of the Holy Roman >empire. > >Klazmon. Actually..no. Im not. Im discussing Democide of their own peoples. By Aethiest states. But thanks for demonstrating your ignorance for all to see. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM here..help yourself. Gunner > > > >> >> Doesn't speak well for your mind sets or your value systems now doesn't >> it? >> >> Gunner >> >> "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as >> it commits suicide" - James Burnham >> "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:58:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote: >Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >news:n0gls2pe3ufa56jkd8alitkp8l2thv7nrf@4ax.com: > >> On 8 Feb 2007 12:05:48 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th >> <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >>>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >>>> religious. >>> >>>No where near. The thirty years war between Lutherans and Catholics >>>wiped out twenty percent of the population of Germany. Then there are >>>the episodes surrounding the crusades plus the invasion of Mexico by >>>Cortez and his cohorts. Hitler's little extravaganza led to at least >>>twenty million dead. >>> >>>Pol Pot was probably the worst leader who was supposedly atheist but >>>note that it was the equally atheistic Vietnamese who put a stop to >>>his activities not the west. Stalin was bad too following a misguided >>>economic doctrine that caused untold suffering but note that Stalin's >>>regime played a big part in shortening the horrors unleashed by >>>Hitler, so I don't put him in the same league as Pol Pot. >>> >>>Klazmon. >> >> >> Atheists have been DIRECTLY responsible for the murders of well over >> 175 million people in the last 70 yrs. >> > >You are a liar and an idiot. > ><plonk> You are in denial fuckwit. But then...when it comes to the hard issues..folks like you tend to fold so easily. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:45:39 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote: >On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:13:15 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:25:01 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> >>wrote: >> >>>> >>>>Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>>>anyway.... >>> >>>I'm tempted to say "you're a bloody loon" and plonk you, but I'm >>>curious to hear you provide examples of the above. Feel free. >>>-- >>> >>>"O Sybilli, si ergo >> >> >>Atheism...just another faith based belief system > >Non-responsive reply duly noted. Reply to what? It was a statement of fact. I made no claim you were acting like a recent convert to Islam. That was another poster. But your snippage is noted and laughed at. Gunner Asch "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:50:57 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote: > >I said citations, not assertions. Sources, please. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest 3112 Dead Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:22:39 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: >On 8 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive:yes >>On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >>> >>> >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >>> >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >>> >>> > be working. >>> >>> >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >>> >>> moral issues. >>> >>> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political >>> >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, >>> >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate >>> >> what we can drive, eat or even say? >>> >>> > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >>> > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? >>> >>> Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned >>> smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. >>> >>> Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? >> >>Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, >>they are ruled by Leftists. > >True indeed. > >Like California. A Red State with Blue control I think there's maybe two "red states" left in the whole country at this point, since you right wingers have fucked everything up so utterly and completely. > >Gunner > >"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" >- James Burnham -- "Keeping us up here eats away at families. The Democrats could care less about families -- that's what this says." -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), quoted by the Washington Post, in response to incoming-Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's (D-MD) plan to increase the House's work schedule from three days a week to five. Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001 Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to. For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary, http://www.zeppscommentaries.com For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day) http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_news For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week) http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/zepps_essays a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson Quote
Guest MarkA Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:24:05 +0000, Gunner wrote: > On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:27:53 -0500, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >>On 8 Feb 2007 11:40:24 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>x-no-archive:yes >>> >>>On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >>>> >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect >>>> >> of cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop >>>> >> thinking so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train >>>> >> yourself to see it that way. >>>> >>>> > I find people like you to be closed minded. >>>> >>>> Now THERE'S a surprise! >>>> >>>> > You have NEVER been to an >>>> > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies >>>> > of G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church >>>> > in America. >>>> >>>> There are a lot of things I don't know. So? >>> >>>Then you are closed minded and uneducated. >>> >>>> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given >>>> > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our >>>> > children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one >>>> > full of hatred and bitterness. >>>> >>>> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When >>>> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict >>>> should be resolved in the least intrusive way. >>> >>>Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. We >>>do not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free of you >>>and your beliefs. >>> >>>> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>>> > anyway.... >>>> >>>> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They >>>> are even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. >>> >>>Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put to >>>your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, >>>starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And those >>>kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The police now >>>feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for attacks by >>>radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school buses. Weak idiots >>>like you will surrender under such attacks, just as the French did to >>>the Nazis. >> >>Typical Christian rightie. Stupid, arrogant and clueless. >> >> >> > Actually..he was pretty accurate. > > and no..Im not Christian or Jew > > Gunner I wonder if realizes that we are providing the militant Muslims with the perfect laboratory for developing guerilla tactics and IEDs in Iraq? -- MarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different) Quote
Guest Dion Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:md8os2pklcq3msdovt7e5pujn6vrtg3o9o@4ax.com... > On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:50:30 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote: > > > > >"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message > >news:Xns98D180DFE8C10vicman@216.196.97.142... > >> Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in > >> news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: > >> > >> > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >>> > >> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists > >> >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the > >> >>> religious. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not > >> >>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political > >> >>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of > >> >>religion? > >> > > >> > > >> > No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody minded > >> > and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. > >> > > >> > So perhaps its something in your mindsets. > >> > > >> > Gunner > >> > > >> > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as > >> > it commits suicide" - James Burnham > >> > > >> > >> Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. > > > >I'd like to know how many people Gunner the Christian has killed during his > >life. > >Dion > > > > Far as I can figure..Ive killed several hundred directly and mostly > intentionally and been responsible for at least a thousand more..could > be several thousand. Some times one isnt able to match up all the feet > and so forth. > > Btw..Dion? Im not a Christian. Would you call yourself a mercenary for Christain America then? > But thanks for playing the fool where all can see. All of who to see??? We're all fools in one way or another. Those that worry about it are usualy the biggest fools. Not to mention the ones that kill... Dion Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:33:11 -0800, 3112 Dead <zepp22113112@finestplanet.com> wrote: >On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:22:39 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> >wrote: > >>On 8 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>x-no-archive:yes >>>On Feb 8, 2:54 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> > What's behind this witch hunt? Two things. >>>> >>>> >>> > First, it's an effort to drive Christians out of public debates, like >>>> >>> > abortion and same-sex "marriage," and sadly, there are signs it might >>>> >>> > be working. >>>> >>>> >>> Christian fundies are the only ones who think that these are ponderous >>>> >>> moral issues. >>>> >>>> >> As opposed to the moral heavy handed tactics of the Leftwing's Political >>>> >> Correctness movement? The way that the Left uses laws to ban smoking, >>>> >> restrict the rights of the working class (like gun rights) or dictate >>>> >> what we can drive, eat or even say? >>>> >>>> > If you are such a civil libertarian, why do you think you have an >>>> > obligation to deprive women and homosexuals of their civil rights? >>>> >>>> Funny thing about "the left" and smoking bans. Louisiana just banned >>>> smoking in restaurants, the law went into effect the first of this year. >>>> >>>> Louisiana. Bastion of "the left" eh? >>> >>>Heavily democrat party control. Even if the people are conservative, >>>they are ruled by Leftists. >> >>True indeed. >> >>Like California. A Red State with Blue control > >I think there's maybe two "red states" left in the whole country at >this point, since you right wingers have fucked everything up so >utterly and completely. Snicker...your ignorance is noted, as is your spew. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm But is good to see you are still desperately hopeful and havent been completly consumed by dispair, though that pharmacutical issue you have been working on still appears not totally resolved. Gunner >> >>Gunner >> >>"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" >>- James Burnham "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:16 -0500, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote: >On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:24:05 +0000, Gunner wrote: > >> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:27:53 -0500, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >>>On 8 Feb 2007 11:40:24 -0800, "Omega" <Omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>x-no-archive:yes >>>> >>>>On Feb 8, 5:16 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >> If you keep an open mind, consider the point-of-view of the other >>>>> >> fellow, insist on objective evidence, and try to avoid the effect >>>>> >> of cultural bias, you just can't help but get confused!!!! Stop >>>>> >> thinking so much!! It is really black-and-white if you just train >>>>> >> yourself to see it that way. >>>>> >>>>> > I find people like you to be closed minded. >>>>> >>>>> Now THERE'S a surprise! >>>>> >>>>> > You have NEVER been to an >>>>> > evangelical church. I bet that you do not know that the Assemblies >>>>> > of G-D was founded by a black man and is the most intergrated church >>>>> > in America. >>>>> >>>>> There are a lot of things I don't know. So? >>>> >>>>Then you are closed minded and uneducated. >>>> >>>>> > It is YOU who demands that we submit to your will, that YOU be given >>>>> > the power to dictate how we live, what we eat, how we raise our >>>>> > children, what we drive. YOU are the fascist, the dictator, the one >>>>> > full of hatred and bitterness. >>>>> >>>>> No, I demand that people be allowed to make their own decisions. When >>>>> those decisions impact the personal freedom of others, the conflict >>>>> should be resolved in the least intrusive way. >>>> >>>>Then allow us to do the same, to include the freedom of association. We >>>>do not want you around us, go away. We have the right to be free of you >>>>and your beliefs. >>>> >>>>> > Go convert to Islam, you are already acting like a Islamic Fascist >>>>> > anyway.... >>>>> >>>>> I'm an atheist, asswipe. Why the fuck would I convert to Islam? They >>>>> are even less rational than Christians, which is quite an achievement. >>>> >>>>Because idiots like you are the first to convert once a knife is put to >>>>your throat. Radical Islam is recruiting kids in the US right now, >>>>starting in the prisons. They are using the drug gang model. And those >>>>kids at Columbine would have been great suicide bombers. The police now >>>>feel that over 1000 public schools have been targeted for attacks by >>>>radical Muslims. And the use of IEDs against school buses. Weak idiots >>>>like you will surrender under such attacks, just as the French did to >>>>the Nazis. >>> >>>Typical Christian rightie. Stupid, arrogant and clueless. >>> >>> >>> >> Actually..he was pretty accurate. >> >> and no..Im not Christian or Jew >> >> Gunner > >I wonder if realizes that we are providing the militant Muslims with the >perfect laboratory for developing guerilla tactics and IEDs in Iraq? Son..both guerilla tactics and IEDs have been long developed. Which is why Iran and Syria have been sending in teachers. Afghanistan had perfected such against the Soviets long ago. Gunner "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
Guest Gunner Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:43:55 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote: > >"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message >news:md8os2pklcq3msdovt7e5pujn6vrtg3o9o@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:50:30 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message >> >news:Xns98D180DFE8C10vicman@216.196.97.142... >> >> Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in >> >> news:hgfls2donut3mf86pco5m2kgo7462rt1n5@4ax.com: >> >> >> >> > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:03 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Probably not. However it does appear that historically, atheists >> >> >>> have a much worse record of mass murder and democide than do the >> >> >>> religious. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>The murders committed by atheists which you refer to were not >> >> >>committed in the name of atheism, were they? They were political >> >> >>issues. OTOH, how many murders were committed in the name of >> >> >>religion? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No idea. But its obvious that the atheists are far more bloody >minded >> >> > and far more likely to kill, historically speaking. >> >> > >> >> > So perhaps its something in your mindsets. >> >> > >> >> > Gunner >> >> > >> >> > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization >as >> >> > it commits suicide" - James Burnham >> >> > >> >> >> >> Teaching anyone anything on Usenet is futile. Thanks for the example. >> > >> >I'd like to know how many people Gunner the Christian has killed during >his >> >life. >> >Dion >> > >> >> Far as I can figure..Ive killed several hundred directly and mostly >> intentionally and been responsible for at least a thousand more..could >> be several thousand. Some times one isnt able to match up all the feet >> and so forth. >> >> Btw..Dion? Im not a Christian. > >Would you call yourself a mercenary for Christain America then? Fuck no. Where did you get that stupid idea? > >> But thanks for playing the fool where all can see. > > All of who to see??? We're all fools in one way or another. Those that >worry about it are usualy the biggest fools. Not to mention the ones that >kill... > >Dion The readers of the 5 or so newsgroups is the "all". So people who kill in self defense are fools too? A mother protecting her family from home invaders is a fool? Fascinating. Id hoped you had a few brain cells that werent twisted..but unfortunately I was wrong. Gunner > > "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham Quote
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