Guest thomas p. Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On 15 Feb., 13:44, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > snip > > > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes > > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? Bob > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. Does > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > Bible tangible? > Maybe the question is too difficult for you. > More likely, you have received enough atheistic education to see the > difficulty that the Bible presents for atheism, so you continue to say > that the Bible does not exist. > You say you have six Bibles. What is that supposed to mean? Do you > have six books that can be read, or do you have six imaginary books? That's better boobie, more like your babbling self. I knew you could do it. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On 15 Feb., 13:46, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 2:55?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 15 Feb., 03:59, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. ?Lincoln said on > > > > > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > Source with complete context please. > > > > > You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > his book. ?A forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at > > > > this very moment. ?It recommends hunting down and hanging anyone > > > > critical of the war effort. ?A pundit has already confessed that he is > > > > the author of the quote. > > > > > The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie > > > > Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ > > > > Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection > > > and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? > > > I see no reason to worry about it myself. > > > The twit confirms Jjls' judgment. > > I gave you an option that would resolve your questions about Abraham > Lincoln. You say you do not want to do it. That means that you would > rather tell lies about Abraham Lincoln. > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On 15 Feb., 13:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 4:35?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > Free Lunch wrote: > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > >> > > would make itself known. > > > > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God. > > > > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > > > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > > > > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil > > > spirits. ?Why don't you make a list for us of the things that do not > > > show that there is a God? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > with pleasure > > > [Preface] > > > "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one > > fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible > > gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." > > [stephen Roberts] > > Well, there is really no such thing as an atheist. All atheists will > eventually confess that there is a God. > Robert B. Winn How can atheists do anything if there really is no such thing as atheists. Have you been drinking again? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On 15 Feb., 13:48, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 2:59?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 04:14, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 14, 4:47?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 22:45:13 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in > > > > <1171435509.605186.82...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: > > > snip > > > > > >I have never said that the Bible does not exist. ?Why do you tell such > > > > >incredibly silly lies? > > > > > Because he's under the delusion that the Bible counts as evidence if we > > > > admit that it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > I do not think anything counts with you. ?So just continue to claim > > > that the Bible does not exist. > > > And Twit Bobby's 2'nd rate clown routine continues in the service of > > atheism ?He is not much, but he works for nothing; so we should be > > grateful > > So, Thomas, are your six Bibles tangible, or are they imaginary? Did > you just make them up? > Robert B. Winn- Thank you boobie. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 3:17 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of > these lists of things you do not believe? > Do you have any lists of things you believe? > Robert B. Winn > ------------------ > > Atheists ONLY have lists of disbeliefs. No, they believe in reality, in the scientific method, in the fossil record, in the beauties of the world and universe, and are skeptical of people who make claims based on a book whose provenance is at best a pretence without corroboration. They hope that by the time they > have listed all their disbeliefs, what's left over must be believable. It's > a vain hope, for atheists don't look for anything believable, and so would > miss it, were something believable to show up. You are confusing faith with belief. "Faith is believing what you know ain't so," as Tom Sawyer said. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and Hawking furnish belief based on observation and analysis. You provide hokum. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 15, 7:22 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > Free Lunch wrote: > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > snip > > > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie. > > > > > He is lying for god - so it's Okay. > > > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it exists. > > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff. > > > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not > > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You called > > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist. If I ask you > about Isaiah's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea, you reply > with an inane question about fictional characters. So, the > conversation is over. You are claiming that the Bible does not exist. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are pathetic, Bobby. You've done violence to the English language with your mendacity, and your only alternative now to propagate your superstition is violence against the person. Philosophers and freethinkers don't do violence, but it's second nature with you Christians. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45D44651.252FD221@netvigator.com... > > > Pastor Frank wrote: > >> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message >> news:53e02eF1rng9cU1@mid.individual.net... >> > "Piedmont" <no@spam.net> wrote in message >> > news:45d0908c$0$16284$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> Text copied from: http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of >> >> software titled: "Ocean" >> >> >> >> PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD >> >> One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the >> >> fact >> >> that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is >> >> another >> > >> > Please don't post your bullshit in alt.atheism. >> > Robyn >> > Resident Witchypoo >> > BAAWA Knight! >> > #1557 >> Please Poo, stop proselytizing atheism in our pristine and hallowed >> Christian NGs. >> Thanks. > > 'Hallowed' what in tarnation does that mean? Frank doesn't know - He's too drunk the majority of the time. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest jls Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 15, 12:24 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > "bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message > > news:45D44651.252FD221@netvigator.com... > > > > > > > > > Pastor Frank wrote: > > >> "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in message > >>news:53e02eF1rng9cU1@mid.individual.net... > >> > "Piedmont" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message > >> >news:45d0908c$0$16284$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >> >> Text copied from:http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of > >> >> software titled: "Ocean" > > >> >> PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD > >> >> One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the > >> >> fact > >> >> that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is > >> >> another > > >> > Please don't post your bullshit in alt.atheism. > >> > Robyn > >> > Resident Witchypoo > >> > BAAWA Knight! > >> > #1557 > >> Please Poo, stop proselytizing atheism in our pristine and hallowed > >> Christian NGs. > >> Thanks. > > > 'Hallowed' what in tarnation does that mean? > > Frank doesn't know - He's too drunk the majority of the time. Similar to Halloween --- having to do with spooks, ghosts, goblins, witc.., um, monsters. > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 14, 4:37?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> > wrote: > >>Why all this meaningless argument about "GOD"??? >> >>When will you guys DEFINE what you mean by that word, >>BEFORE posting an argument pro or con? -- L. > > > Well, the discussion was about Jesus Christ. ===>Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. In fact "the discussion" was about "EVIDENCE OF GODS". What is it that you say > you do not understand about Jesus Christ? ===>I understand EVERYTHING about that imaginary deity. -- L. Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in news:45d2fd44$0$16308$88260bb3 @free.teranews.com: > Christianity is a wholesome and successful philosophy of life and it > hardly matters who wrote it all down. Whereas atheism is a philosophy of > death, having the finality of oblivion as its final stated aim. Actually, it's the other way around. You guys are the ones trying to fix the death problem. We know what happens. -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1171414864.143358.80330@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > I am a Christian, and I believe there are contradictions in the > Bible. > Robert B. Winn > Most Christians consider the contradictions in the Bible as being merely apparent, for in principle the Bible is inerrant and only interpretations of the Bible can be errant and contradictory. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45D28287.87FF4FC@netvigator.com... > > Muslims [or a good many of them] have a similar concept, > killing an infidel is OK because allah says so. > Reference to chapter and verse in the Quran is missing, hence it's just another of your hateful, stinky little turds you keep dropping into our religious NGs. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45D28350.47403640@netvigator.com... > Free Lunch wrote: >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171413590.219240.10340@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >> >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > ?Not even just one? >> >> >> >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one >> >> > > god >> >> > > would make itself known. >> >> >> >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >> > >> >All things that exist show that there is a God. > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > Another of your "I am stupid" remarks, Bob? What he is saying correctly is, that without God nothing exists, in fact not even nothing could exist. That clearly indicates the correct definition of the word "God" and your stupid invisible old man in the sky kind of god is just that, a stupid definition you have been lambasting all your long and wasted life. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45D29A01.84192FF3@netvigator.com... > > Immaterial. The verse from the bible is rubbish. Possibly based on > something that > happened but there were no gods involved > Not any "gods" of YOUR definition, that's for sure. But then you are intent on wasting the rest of your life lambasting "gods" of your own personal and private definition, which are patently ludicrous strawmen. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1171562091.004905.259530@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 15, 12:24 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> "bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message >> >> news:45D44651.252FD221@netvigator.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> >> "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in message >> >>news:53e02eF1rng9cU1@mid.individual.net... >> >> > "Piedmont" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message >> >> >news:45d0908c$0$16284$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> >> Text copied from:http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of >> >> >> software titled: "Ocean" >> >> >> >> PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD >> >> >> One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the >> >> >> fact >> >> >> that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is >> >> >> another >> >> >> > Please don't post your bullshit in alt.atheism. >> >> > Robyn >> >> > Resident Witchypoo >> >> > BAAWA Knight! >> >> > #1557 >> >> Please Poo, stop proselytizing atheism in our pristine and >> >> hallowed >> >> Christian NGs. >> >> Thanks. >> >> > 'Hallowed' what in tarnation does that mean? >> >> Frank doesn't know - He's too drunk the majority of the time. > > Similar to Halloween --- having to do with spooks, ghosts, goblins, > witc.., um, monsters. Hey! -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... Arguing that evolution has been disproved is every bit as silly as arguing that the Earth is flat. There is no scientific controversy. Evolution is a fact. We see it in action every day. ----------------- So true. The argument against evolution concerns fantasy extrapolations, i.e. abiogenesis and speciation, for which there is are no experimental data. See below Pastor Frank http://evolution-facts.org/introductory_scientists_speak_about_evolution_1.htm "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of imagination." -- Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist]. "It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption." -- Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236. "The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still an article of faith." -- J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95. "Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life." -- W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: The Secret of Life," New York Times. "The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the organic world." -- Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve]. "I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it." -- H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. "I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity." -- W.R. Thompson, Introduction to Charles Darwin's, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist]. "One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination which could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might truly be said that it was `knowledge falsely so called." -- David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976). "The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists." --Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist]. "The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for any group being the descendant of almost any other." -- J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240. "It was because Darwinian theory broke man's link with God and set him adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the universe." -- Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 67 [Australian molecular biologist]. "I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning, consequently assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption . . The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do . . For myself, as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom." -- Aldous Huxley, "Confessions of a Professed Atheist," Report: Perspective on the News, Vol. 3, June 1966, p. 19 [grandson of evolutionist Thomas Huxley, Darwin's closest friend and promoter, and brother of evolutionist Julian Huxley. Aldous Huxley was one of the most influential liberal writers of the 20th century]. "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." -- Bounoure, Le Monde Et La Vie (October 1963) [Director of Research at the National center of Scientific Research in France]. "As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?" -- Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 139. "`Creation,' in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I find no difficulty in conceiving that, at some former period, this universe was not in existence; and that it made its appearance in six days . . in consequence of the volition of some pre-existing Being." -- Thomas Huxley, quoted in Leonard Huxley, Life and Letters of Thomas Henry Huxley, Vol. II (1903), p. 429. "The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge." -- Albert Fleishmann, Zoologist. "I argue that the `theory of evolution' does not take predictions, so far as ecology is concerned, but is instead a logical formula which can be used only to classify empiricisms [theories] and to show the relationships which such a classification implies . . these theories are actually tautologies and, as such, cannot make empirically testable predictions. They are not scientific theories at all." -- R.H. Peters, "Tautology in Evolution and Ecology," American Naturalist (1976), Vol. 110, No. 1, p. 1 [emphasis his]. "No fossils have been found that can be considered transitional between the major groups or phyla. From the beginning, these organisms were just clearly and distinctly set apart from each other as they are today. Instead of finding a record of fine graduations preserved in the fossil record, we invariably find large gaps. This fact is absolutely FATAL to the general theory of evolution." -- Scott M. Huges. PH.D "Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say THERE ARE NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS." -- Dr. Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist, British Museum of Natural History. Dr. Colin Patterson was the senior paleontologist and editor of the prestigious journal of the British Museum of Natural History. He wrote in a letter, that he didn't know of any real evidence of evolutionary transitions either among living or fossilized organisms. -- "Darwin's Enigma" by Luther Sunderland ch.1 "One of the reasons I started taking this anti-evolutionary view, was.. it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long, so for the last few weeks I have tried putting a simple question to various people and groups of people. Question is: Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said: "I do know one thing -- it ought not to be taught in high school." -- Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, Keynote address at the American Museum of Natural History, NYC. "Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever." -- Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission, USA "Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." -- Sir Arthur Keith, author of the forward to the 100th anniversary edition of "Origin of Species" in 1959 "In conclusion, evolution is not observable, repeatable, or refutable, and thus does not qualify as either a scientific fact or theory." -- Dr. David N.Menton, PhD in Biology from Brown University Random chance cannot account for the complex design of DNA. It is statistically and mathematically impossible. In the last 30 years, a number of prominent scientists have attempted to calculate the odds that a free-living, single-celled organism, such as a bacterium, might result by the chance combining of preexistent building blocks. Harold Morowitz calculated the odds as one chance in 10100,000,000,000 (ten to the one hundred billionth power). Sir Fred Hoyle calculated the odds that just the proteins of an amoebae arising by chance as one chance in 1040,000 (ten to the forty thousandth power). The odds calculated by Morowitz and Hoyle are staggering. Think of it this way, the chances of winning the state lottery every week of your life from the age of 18 to 99 are better than the odds of a single-celled organism being formed by random chance. The probability of spontaneous generation is about the same as the probability that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard could assemble a 747 from the contents therein. It is impossible. The evidence all points to the unavoidable conclusion that we not the product of chance or evolution, but the result of intelligent design. -- Francis Collins, who Cracked the Genome said: I've found God. - The Sunday Times - Wikipedia Evolution and Creation Studies - Koinonia House. In The Beginning There Was...Information - Audio CD - eNews Special Offer (Re: Biogenesis) "There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose. Spontaneous generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God. ..There is no other possibility. Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, but that just leaves us with only one other possibility ..that life came as a supernatural act of creation by God, but I can't accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution." -- George Wald, "Origin, Life and Evolution," Scientific American (1978). Quoted in Joe White and Nicholas Comninellis, Darwin's Demise: Why Evolution Can't Take the Heat (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 2001), p.46 http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/12-20-06.asp#_ftn5 http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171435408.363121.177970@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > On 14 Feb., 01:39, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one >> > > > god >> > > > would make itself known. >> >> > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > >> All things that exist show that there is a God. > > Name one of them and explain why it is evidence of a god. > The fact that without God there would be nothing, if fact even 'nothing' could not be. That should narrow the choice of definitions for the word "God" a little. As a rule, the gods of atheist definition don't exist, and atheists are very, very intent on making sure of that. So you are unlikely to pick a definition for the word 'god' that would entail existence as a whole. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of > these lists of things you do not believe? > Do you have any lists of things you believe? > Robert B. Winn > Atheists believe that by listing all they don't believe, what's left over MUST be the truth. Unfortunately for them, there are an infinite number of things which are not true, and very few thing which are true. So they will never reach that desired end. Not only that, but because atheists look only for what is untrue and lies, were they to come across the truth they would miss it altogether. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Semper Lib Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171435152.882605.285700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... On 13 Feb., 23:16, "Semper Liber" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> wrote: > "bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message > > news:45CFF318.7E58F674@netvigator.com... > > > > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:30:36 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 14, 8:22?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:14:19 -0800, "rbwinn" >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 6:05?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> >> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> >> >> > > > > > > would make itself known. >> >> >> >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> >> >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >> >> >> >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have >> >> >> > > > anything to support your strange belief? >> >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> > > Of course it exists, >> >> >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading >> >> >> > it. (y don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read >> >> >> > it? >> >> >> >> I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different >> >> >> languages. (ere is still no evidence that it is true. >> >> >> >How did you like the book of Isaiah? >> >> >> What about it? And please don't say "VIRGIN >> >> BIRTH!!!111oneoneoneeleven" It's just not in there. Properly >> >> translated, Is 7:14 reads "look, a young woman has conceived and shall >> >> give birth", which she does in Is 8:3. The child is then praised as >> >> the prince of peace and wonderful counselor (Is 9:6). >> >> >> But, you go right on believing that it's about jesus--believe >> >> it in the face of the textual evidence to the contrary. >> >> >Well, actually I was going to discuss the Assyrian invasion of Judea. >> >> Which is what Is 7-9 is about, and NOT jesus. >> >Wrong. Chapter 7 is about the invasion of Judea by Israel and Syria, >which was completely unsuccessful. Sorry about that. Had my Syrians and Assyrians mixed-up. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 16, 2007 Posted February 16, 2007 In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:24:28 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn" >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: >> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" >> >> >> ...] >> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah >> >> predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to >> >> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the >> >> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god. >> >> >Isaiah 9:6 >> >> See Is 8:3. That is the child spoken of in Is 9:6. >> >No, sorry. Sorry, but it's true. Only if one takes Is 9:6 completely out of context can it be applied to jesus. Will you admit to taking Is 9:6 completely out of context? Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 16, 2007 Posted February 16, 2007 In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:26:21 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:12:11 -0800, "rbwinn" >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 14, 4:45?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1171495525.124931.40...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" >> >> >> >> ...] >> >> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah >> >> >> predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to >> >> >> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the >> >> >> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god. >> >> >> >Isaiah 9:6 /r unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and >> >> >the government shall be upon hos shoulder: !nd his name shall be >> >> >called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, >> >> >The Prince of Peace. >> >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Where is the evidence that this has anything to do with Jesus?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, why don't you discuss it with Jesus when he returns to judge the >> >earth? >> >> IOW: none. > >Well, you are certainly weldome to your own opinion, Don. Yes, and it's nice that my opinion and reality coincide. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 16, 2007 Posted February 16, 2007 In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:21:50 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:11:07 -0800, "rbwinn" >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: >> >> >On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. )ncoln said on >> >> >several occasions that he believed the Bible. >> >> >> Source with complete context please. >> >> >I can give you the original source. �alk to Abraham Lincoln after the >> >resurrection. �e can tell you in person. >> >> Mhhmm. This despite the fact that Lincoln didn't really >> believe in jesus and all that. Read _The Real Lincoln_ by Thomas >> DiLorenzo. >> >No need. How was this author supposed to know the real Lincoln? Lincoln's writings. The writings of others. DiLorenzo simply exposes the Myth of the Christ Lincoln for what it is. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted February 16, 2007 Posted February 16, 2007 On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:29:52 GMT, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 16, 2007 Posted February 16, 2007 On 14 Feb 2007 22:32:29 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> > ... >> >> >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. )ncoln said on >> >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. >> >> >> > Source with complete context please. >> >> >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. >> >> >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in >> >> his book. >> >> &orged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very moment. 4 recommends hunting down and hanging anyone >> >> critical of the war effort. >> >> 0undit has already confessed that he is >> >> >> the author of the quote. >> >> >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie >> >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ >> >> >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection >> >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? >> >I see no reason to worry about it myself. >> >> Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there >> is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions >> with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text - >> >Jesus Christ was resurrected. That is all the evidence we need. There is no evidence that Jesus was resurrected. None at all. Quote
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