Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On 17 Feb 2007 04:22:10 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171714930.800542.97930@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: >> > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> snip >> >> > > > > Well, let's get right to it. n what way do you acknowedge that the >> > > > > Bible exists? ob has a list that he keeps posting. �oes the Bible >> > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? >> >> > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. >> > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ob >> > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. �oes >> > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the >> > > Bible tangible? >> >> > You must be some kind of fool. >> >> Apparently he is insane. �e are not going to get a rational response >> out of him; it is just not in him. >> >> snip > >Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about >their beliefs. That is because they do not have any beliefs, only >criticisms of the beliefs of others. You seem incapable of understanding that atheism is a lack of belief in any gods. What beliefs do you expect? I don't criticize people for having beliefs, but I do criticize people for lying to me, both about science and religion. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On 17 Feb., 15:18, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> snip > > >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > >> > > away backward. > >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > LOL! > > obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > >> It is strange isn't it? e really seems to believe that reading > >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. t is hard to accept that > >> somebody can be so incredibly silly. > > >Well, it is a win-win situation. If an atheist runs away like james > >g. keegan did, then you do not have to talk to him again. If an > >atheist sticks around, then he cannot pretend that he has never had > >anything intelligent said to him. He has read a few verses from the > >book of Isaiah. > > If there was anything intelligent said, it did not come from you and > your bizarrely chosen Isaiah quotes. It causes no problems for our boobie. He has an inpenetrable wall of insanity to hide behind. Whatever anybody says in response to his idiocy, in his mind, demonstrates that he is right and brilliant. Quote
Guest jl Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Feb 16, 8:45 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 16, 5:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 16 Feb., 03:04, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 7:07?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > snip > > > > > > So, Thomas, are your six Bibles tangible, or are they imaginary? ?Did > > > > > you just make them up? > > > > > Robert B. Winn- > > > > > Thank you boobie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > You are welcome, atheist. ?My Bible is real. ?I will quote to you from > > > the book of Isaiah. > > > Isaiah 1:6 ?From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no > > > soundness in it; ?but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: ?they > > > have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with > > > ointment. > > > Do you like studying Isaiah, atheist? > > > I didn't know your lunacy was so extreme. ?Why do you think the Book > > of Isaiah would bother me at all? ? I have now read the Catholic Douay > > translation, the King James version and the Danish translation of > > Luther's German Bible. ?Nothing special happened. > > Well, here is another opportunity to read some verses from Isaiah. > I could just tell you were going to get interested in the Bible. > Isaiah 1:18 Come now, let us reason together, saith the Lord: though > your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they > be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Crazy as hell, the doctrine of original sin. Also insane is the doctrine of vicarious atonement, i. e., that someone else like your Jeezus should step in and undergo excruciation for your sins. He died for YOUR sins, not mine. I wasn't born with original sin, you moron. Plus, your Jove sure does mix up his metaphors. Usually sins are colored dark, and this time they're crimson like blood. Looks like your Jove would make up his mind. Quote
Guest jl Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Feb 16, 8:53 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > snip > > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you > > > might have seen it a little differently. ?It did not seem like a > > > miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home in Ninevah safe and > > > sound, but when it happened, he was not so sure. > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?stegn - > > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what people > > thought back then are not evidence. > > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas? > Isaiah 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the > sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Do you have another testament of Jesus Christ? Why don't you mix it up and quote some from that one. We have already heard all of the book of Isaiah. It is quite poetic and interesting and probably teaches a good lesson or two, but is otherwise irrational and probably the result of hallucinations. Quote
Guest jl Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > I just quote Isaiah. Why do you find Isaiah to be so hostile? It is not the innocuous book. YOU are hostile and obnoxious, making deceitful statements and utterly oozing with condescension and hatred for the people debating with you. The newbies and the neutral readers will naturally be turned away from your repugnance. By your vitriolic threats of judgment, your total lack of kindness or reasonableness, you make a good argument for atheism. He was > just telling the truth. > Isaiah 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: > every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not > the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > This sounds like the latest swarms of TV preachers with their internal squabbling, $20 million bizjets, million-dollar salaries, Rolls- Royces, $10,000 suits, and palatial estates. Whose flock are you in, Benny HInn's, Creflo Dollar's, T. D. Jakes's, John Hagee's, Rod Parsley's? Pat Robertson's? Oh, ye hypocrites! King James Version: Matthew Chapter 16 1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? Quote
Guest jl Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Feb 17, 12:35 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Pastor Frank wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:1171414864.143358.80330@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > > > I am a Christian, and I believe there are contradictions in the > > > Bible. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Most Christians consider the contradictions in the Bible as being merely > > apparent, for in principle the Bible is inerrant and only interpretations of > > the Bible can be errant and contradictory. > > Most Christians are a 'bundle of laughs' Yes, they are funny but in a sort of a pitiful way because they have swallowed so many silly fictions as truth. They believe the creation story, that the earth was created in six days and that God rested on the seventh. God is omnipotent by all definitions so why should he need to rest? Three days go by in which he creates the earth and the water and divides the night from the day and sets the water apart from the earth and vegetates and seeds the earth. Then what does he do? He creates the sun to rule over the day and the moon to rule over the night, and as an afterthought he makes the stars for no particular purpose except as pretties in the sky. But wait! No first grader aware of the vast universe of galaxies and constellations would buy this story. It is patently absurd. Even Jim and Huck saw through it as they rode down the river in Twain's novel. Furthermore, you have no day without a sun rising and setting and then rising again, making 24 hours --- obviously the day spoken about in the creation story--- and yet three days go by before the very essence of the day, the sun, is created. I feel sorry for poor Galileo, a brilliant man, a freethinker. He's looking through a telescope and sees all these amazing things out there and begins to question Genesis in light of his wonderful discoveries. He sees that the creation story is malarkey, he cannot fathom anything so absurd as a virgin birth, or a flat earth as the center of the universe, or the sun revolving about the earth; and then he can't say anything about it, cannot publish his marvelous results and receive the public adulation of his scientific peers, for fear of being burnt at the stake as a blasphemer. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:25:26 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3bf$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:rg0at29vl6slsjqqutd9rhg59kp74a19fu@4ax.com... >> >> You really are a smug amoral ass, aren't you. Clearly, you have never >> read any of Jesus's teachings, or you would know that your behavior was >> condemned by Him. >> > Any evidence for that? Yes. Read his posts. Then read the teachings of Jesus. See if you can find any places where they intersect. >> I'm sure you enjoy worshipping yourself, >> > Would you mind telling us the evidence that makes you so "sure"? I really don't care. The man is acting like a jerk and hiding behind his religious doctrines. >> but while you >> do that, I have a life that is unencumbered by lies and false doctrines. >> > Which are those? Or do you want us to guess? Lies about the origin of life on earth and the history of it. >> Mock God if you like. It is your choice, I cannot stop you. >> > Which "God" are you talking about? Since you are a self-professed >atheists, you don't know any god, nor believe in any, ...apart from yourself >of course. I know Christian doctrine and I know LDS doctrine. Since you are clueless, the God that he is mocking by being a follower of Him is the God of Abraham, accepted by Christians, Jews, Moslems, Bahai, and various heterodox branches of such groups. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:57:25 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3b5$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:1171557849.413643.272690@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 15, 7:22 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >>> > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>> > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >>> > > > Free Lunch wrote: >>> > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism >>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >>> > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >>> > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >>> > snip >>> >>> > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have >>> > > > > >consistently >>> > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist. >>> >>> > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie. >>> >>> > > > He is lying for god - so it's Okay. >>> >>> > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it exists. >>> > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff. >>> >>> > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not >>> > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You called >>> > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist. If I ask you >>> about Isaiah's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea, you reply >>> with an inane question about fictional characters. So, the >>> conversation is over. You are claiming that the Bible does not exist. >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> You are pathetic, Bobby. You've done violence to the English language >> with your mendacity, and your only alternative now to propagate your >> superstition is violence against the person. >> Philosophers and freethinkers don't do violence, but it's second >> nature with you Christians. >> > Religion IS Philosophy, and free thinkers allowed Hitler to sell His >values to his nation and which caused the misery and death of untold >millions. Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says he >is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite from >the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic" >indeed!!!! See below You know that Hitler appealed to Christians and got them to support him. You know that the slaveholders appealed to Christians and caused a terrible war in the US. >Pastor Frank > > The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would >make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally >unthinkable: > THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST > Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy >strength: this is the first commandment. > 31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour >as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. > Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two >commandments." > THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST, or Ethic of Reciprocity > Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men >should do to you, do ye even so to them...." Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:35:48 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3c4$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:021at2dduc81elh421vfel0tr3he94oqc0@4ax.com... >> On 15 Feb 2007 04:31:43 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171542703.680913.131700@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >>> >>>Well, Thomas, here we see the last refuge of the atheist, the personal >>>attack. We were discussing the Bible here in alt.bible. Now everyone >>>can see your purpose in intruding in our conversation. If you do not >>>want to talk about the Bible, why don't you go live the happy life of >>>an atheist? >> >> I'm in alt.atheism watching you tell your lies. Why are you posting your >> lies in alt.atheism. >> > Because a.a. is ABOUT atheism, not a refuge FOR atheists. Also, atheist >doctrine demands, that what we consider the truth, atheists MUST call lies >or face excommunication and confiscation of their number. As people have pointed out again and again, yet you, in your hubris refuse to acknowledge, there is no such thing as atheist doctrine. It appears that you hate people. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:37:59 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3c9$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:j31at2l12hkhm60fc8cs025gduu2uo2a2d@4ax.com... >> On 15 Feb 2007 04:52:39 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171543959.023629.8540@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >>>On Feb 15, 4:35?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> > On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >>>> > > Free Lunch wrote: >>>> > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >>>> > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >>>> > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >>>> > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > >> > > ?Not even just one? >>>> >>>> > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at >>>> > > > >> > > least one god >>>> > > > >> > > would make itself known. >>>> >>>> > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>> > > > >> > Robert B. Winn >>>> >>>> > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >>>> >>>> > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God. >>>> >>>> > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of >>>> > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] >>>> >>>> > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil >>>> > spirits. �hy don't you make a list for us of the things that do not >>>> > show that there is a God? >>>> > Robert B. Winn >>>> >>>> with pleasure >>>> >>>> [Preface] >>>> >>>> "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one >>>> fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other >>>> possible >>>> gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." >>>> [stephen Roberts] >>> >>>Well, there is really no such thing as an atheist. All atheists will >>>eventually confess that there is a God. >> >> Another smug little self-righteous lie from the man who rejects Jesus's >> teachings about hypocricy. >> > Quote Jesus on that, or admit you are lying for atheism. Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. You _know_ that I do not lie. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:47:19 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3a7$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:aqobt25i1qsgpb1no46e791mk6s5evuf7c@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:04:25 +0800, in alt.atheism >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in >> <45d522db$0$30102$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>>"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message >>>news:1171435408.363121.177970@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >>>> On 14 Feb., 01:39, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >>>>> > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>> > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > > > ?Not even just one? >>>>> >>>>> > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one >>>>> > > > god >>>>> > > > would make itself known. >>>>> >>>>> > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>>> > > Robert B. Winn >>>>> >>>>> > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >>>> >>>>> All things that exist show that there is a God. >>>> >>>> Name one of them and explain why it is evidence of a god. >>>> >>> The fact that without God there would be nothing, if fact even 'nothing' >>>could not be. That should narrow the choice of definitions for the word >>>"God" a little. As a rule, the gods of atheist definition don't exist, and >>>atheists are very, very intent on making sure of that. So you are unlikely >>>to pick a definition for the word 'god' that would entail existence as a >>>whole. >> >> I think you just reinvented pantheism. >> > Pantheism = existence is God, but Christianity believes that existence >is the consequence of God, i.e God speaking the universe into existence. >That is why "in the beginning was the word" expressing an idea. And that >word / idea became reality. Your particular Christianity is clearly heterodox, but the reason I noted that you were reinventing pantheism was your claim that implied that God and existence were coterminous. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:41:50 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45d6f3b1$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:1171556592.592585.319940@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 14, 3:17 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>> news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of >>> these lists of things you do not believe? >>> Do you have any lists of things you believe? >>> Robert B. Winn >>> ------------------ >>> Atheists ONLY have lists of disbeliefs. >> >> No, they believe in reality, in the scientific method, in the fossil >> record, in the beauties of the world and universe, and are skeptical >> of people who make claims based on a book whose provenance is at best >> a pretence without corroboration. >> > So you say, but atheists only talk about their disbeliefs and never say >anything they believe. False witness from Frank. Who would have expected that after so many of his lie filled comments in the past. >If atheists have beliefs as you insist, then they >must be keeping them a secret, so as not to expose them to ridicule, the >kind they love to dish out. You refuse to listen. >> They hope that by the time they >>> have listed all their disbeliefs, what's left over must be believable. >>> It's >>> a vain hope, for atheists don't look for anything believable, and so >>> would >>> miss it, were something believable to show up. >> >> You are confusing faith with belief. "Faith is believing what you >> know ain't so," as Tom Sawyer said. >> Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and Hawking furnish belief based on >> observation and analysis. You provide hokum. >> > You either forget, or can't see, that religion is about value systems >that deal with the divide between competition vs. cooperation. It's part of >moral and social philosophy. Nothing atheists say deals with values, other >than the demand that everyone should think them up for himself. Once again, you bear false witness. Your biases against those who do not share your religious doctrines cause you to lie, repeatedly. You know that. You need to repent of this. >That's how >smart talkers, like Hitler got his values accepted and implemented. Another lie from you. Nowhere can you find anything to show that Hitler was anything but a Catholic who also liked to use pagan (which are religious, as you know) sources and symbols. > Christ got His values accepted by standing fast to the death, >...something few atheists would be willing to do. What are His values? You >need to read up on Him and see. "hokum" indeed!!!!! Nothing you say about Jesus can be confirmed. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On 17 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > snip > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?Bob > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > > > > Bible tangible? > > > > You must be some kind of fool. > > > Apparently he is insane. ?We are not going to get a rational response > > out of him; it is just not in him. > > > snip > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about > their beliefs. That is because they do not have any beliefs, only > criticisms of the beliefs of others. Poor boobie, he just can't help lying. Quote
Guest Bill M Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > ... > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > >> his book. > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > moment. t recommends hunting down and hanging anyone > >> critical of the war effort. > > pundit has already confessed that he is > > >> the author of the quote. > > >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie > >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ > > >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection > >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? > >I see no reason to worry about it myself. > > Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there > is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions > with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text - > Jesus Christ was resurrected. That is all the evidence we need. Robert B. Winn You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a fable and objective verifiable evidence! Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:59:48 -0500, in alt.atheism "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in <I8JBh.13013$m7.8474@bignews5.bellsouth.net>: > >"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> > ... >> >> >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on >> >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. >> >> >> > Source with complete context please. >> >> >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. >> >> >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in >> >> his book. >> >> forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very >> moment. t recommends hunting down and hanging anyone >> >> critical of the war effort. >> >> pundit has already confessed that he is >> >> >> the author of the quote. >> >> >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie >> >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ >> >> >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection >> >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? >> >I see no reason to worry about it myself. >> >> Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there >> is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions >> with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text - >> >Jesus Christ was resurrected. That is an article of faith. >That is all the evidence we need. There is absolutely no evidence that this article of faith is true. >Robert B. Winn > >You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a fable and >objective verifiable evidence! Yes, I do. That is why you are having problems getting me to accept your unsubstantiated claims. Quote
Guest Paul Ransom Erickson Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:14:54 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >> news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> >> What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of >> these lists of things you do not believe? >> Do you have any lists of things you believe? >> Robert B. Winn >> > Atheists believe that by listing all they don't believe, what's left >over MUST be the truth. Unfortunately for them, there are an infinite number >of things which are not true, and very few thing which are true. So they >will never reach that desired end. Not only that, but because atheists look >only for what is untrue and lies, were they to come across the truth they >would miss it altogether. As usual, you think you know all about "athsists" based on your own past. I bet you haven't really changed much. As I and others have told you many times before, atheism really doesn't imply a whole lot about the rest of a person's beliefs. But you don't really care about the truth of the matter, it seems. It's just so much easier to talk about "atheists" as a borg-like entity than to respond to individuals as individuals. Love is not bigoted, and does not force people into ill-considered stereotypes, Frank. Your god "love" is generous and eager to see the good... Why aren't you? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 1:51�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 17 Feb., 02:45, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 5:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 16 Feb., 03:04, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 7:07?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > > So, Thomas, are your six Bibles tangible, or are they imaginary? ?Did > > > > > > you just make them up? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- > > > > > > Thank you boobie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > You are welcome, atheist. ?My Bible is real. ?I will quote to you from > > > > the book of Isaiah. > > > > Isaiah 1:6 ?From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no > > > > soundness in it; ?but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: ?they > > > > have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with > > > > ointment. > > > > Do you like studying Isaiah, atheist? > > > > I didn't know your lunacy was so extreme. ?Why do you think the Book > > > of Isaiah would bother me at all? ? I have now read the Catholic Douay > > > translation, the King James version and the Danish translation of > > > Luther's German Bible. ?Nothing special happened. > > > Well, here is another opportunity to read some verses from Isaiah. > > I could just tell you were going to get interested in the Bible. > > Oh good, I am glad that you now admit that you were lying. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 1:57�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 17 Feb., 02:58, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 5:59?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >snip > > > > > Well, here is a Scripture from Isaiah for you to explain. > > > > Isaiah 1:12 ?When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this > > > > aty your hand, to tread my courts? > > > > Why do you think it needs to be explained?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, if you do not want to explain your presence here in alt.bible, > > certainly no one is going to require you to explain. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 7:16�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2007 04:34:41 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171715681.915043.15...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 16, 10:10?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> Free Lunch wrote: > >> > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > >> > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > ... > > >> > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently > >> > >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > >> > >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > >You atheists all play the same game. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 7:17�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > ... > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > You atheists all play the same game. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 7:18�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> snip > > >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > >> > > away backward. > >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > LOL! > > obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > >> It is strange isn't it? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 7:50�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 17 Feb., 15:18, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> snip > > > >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > >> > > away backward. > > >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> > LOL! > > > obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > >> It is strange isn't it? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:21�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 16, 8:53 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you > > > > might have seen it a little differently. ?It did not seem like a > > > > miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home in Ninevah safe and > > > > sound, but when it happened, he was not so sure. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?stegn - > > > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what people > > > thought back then are not evidence. > > > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas? > > Isaiah 1:20 Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:41�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > I just quote Isaiah. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 On Feb 17, 12:23�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 17 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?Bob > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > > > > > Bible tangible? > > > > > You must be some kind of fool. > > > > Apparently he is insane. ?We are not going to get a rational response > > > out of him; it is just not in him. > > > > snip > > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about > > their beliefs. Quote
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