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On Feb 18, 4:07�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> On 18 Feb., 03:15, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 17, 12:23?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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> > > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about

> > > > their beliefs. ?That is because they do not have any beliefs, only

> > > > criticisms of the beliefs of others.

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> > > Poor boobie, he just can't help lying.- Hide quoted text -

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> > > - Show quoted text -

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> > Isaiah 2:6

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On Feb 18, 4:26�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> rbwinn wrote:

> > On Feb 16, 5:52�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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> > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

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> > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text -

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> > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you

> > > > might have seen it a little differently.

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On 18 Feb 2007 08:09:43 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 17, 11:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> jl wrote:

>> > On Feb 16, 8:45 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> > > On Feb 16, 5:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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>> > > > On 16 Feb., 03:04, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 7:07?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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>> > > > snip

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>> > > > > > > So, Thomas, are your six Bibles tangible, or are they imaginary? ?Did

>> > > > > > > you just make them up?

>> > > > > > > Robert B. Winn-

>>

>> > > > > > Thank you boobie.- Hide quoted text -

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>> > > > > You are welcome, atheist. ?My Bible is real. ?I will quote to you from

>> > > > > the book of Isaiah.

>> > > > > Isaiah 1:6 ?From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no

>> > > > > soundness in it; ?but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: ?they

>> > > > > have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with

>> > > > > ointment.

>> > > > > Do you like studying Isaiah, atheist?

>>

>> > > > I didn't know your lunacy was so extreme. ?Why do you think the Book

>> > > > of Isaiah would bother me at all? ? I have now read the Catholic Douay

>> > > > translation, the King James version and the Danish translation of

>> > > > Luther's German Bible. ?Nothing special happened.

>>

>> > > Well, here is another opportunity to read some verses from Isaiah.

>> > > I could just tell you were going to get interested in the Bible.

>> > > Isaiah 1:18

ome now, let us reason together, saith the Lord: though

>> > > your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they

>> > > be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

>> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

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>> > > - Show quoted text -

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>> > Crazy as hell, the doctrine of original sin.

lso insane is the

>> > doctrine of vicarious atonement, i. e., that someone else like your

>> > Jeezus should step in and undergo excruciation for your sins. �e died

>> > for YOUR sins, not mine. wasn't born with original sin, you moron.

>>

>> > Plus, your Jove sure does mix up his metaphors. �sually sins are

>> > colored dark, and thistimethey're crimson like blood. �ooks like

>> > your Jove would make up his mind.

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>> I have <REPLONKED> him, he really is a waste oftimeand beyond help- Hide quoted text -

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>What I do not understand is why an atheist would complain about

>wasting time. What else does an atheist do?

 

Some lies, like yours, need to be pointed out to the world.

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On 18 Feb 2007 08:12:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 18, 4:02?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> rbwinn wrote:

>> > On Feb 13, 4:27?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> > > On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> > > �...]

>>

>> > > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That

>> > > > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable.

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>> > > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text -

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>> > > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter

>> > > > books. �ow you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. �id

>> > > > they just materialize, or were they written also?

>> > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

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>> > > Nobody has challenged the authorship of the Harry Potter books, the

>> > > first having been written by a divorcee in Scotland while she was on

>> > > public assistance, and the books don't claim to be anything other than

>> > > fiction. But the bible claims to be true, claims to be the inspired

>> > > word of a god, despite that it does not stand up to scrutiny as

>> > > history and appears at best to be the fiction of unknown writers who

>> > > believed the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun

>> > > revolved around the earth.

>>

>> > Appears to be fiction of unknown writers? �ell, the Apostle Paul

>> > wrote most of the books of the New Testament.

>>

>> That is simply something 'claimed' from thouands of years back, no-one 'knows'

>> anything about these times, we can only speculate

>>

>Well, we had one atheist who was speculating that there were clocks

>and observers back in the time of dinosaurs.

 

Another lie from you.

 

Since when did LDS demand that you lie?

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On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> Bill M wrote:

> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

> >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

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> >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

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> >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

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> >> > > >> > ...

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> >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on

> >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>

> >> > > >> > Source with complete context please.

>

> >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

>

> >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> >> > > >> his book.

>

> >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very

> >> > > moment.

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On Feb 18, 8:58�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On Feb 17, 9:34?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

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> >> >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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> >> >> >> snip

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> >> >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> >> >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4

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> >> >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> >> >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> >> >> >> > > away backward.

> >> >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

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> >> >> >> > LOL!

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> >> >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

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> >> >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

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> >> >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading

> >> >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists.

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On 18 Feb 2007 08:20:47 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 18, 8:57?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

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>> >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> Bill M wrote:

>> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

>> >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

>> >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

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>> >> > > >> > ...

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>> >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on

>> >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>>

>> >> > > >> > Source with complete context please.

>>

>> >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

>>

>> >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

>> >> > > >> his book.

>>

>> >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very

>> >> > > moment. 4 recommends hunting down and hanging anyone

>> >> > > >> critical of the war effort.

>>

>> >> > > pundit has already confessed that he is

>>

>> >> > > >> the author of the quote.

>>

>> >> > > >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie

>> >> > > >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._

>>

>> >> > > >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection

>> >> > > >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible?

>> >> > > >I see no reason to worry about it myself.

>>

>> >> > > Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there

>> >> > > is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions

>> >> > > with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text -

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>> >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. (at is all the evidence we need.

>> >> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a fable and

>> >> > objective verifiable evidence!

>>

>> >> He only accepts what his mummy told him, forgetting that her mummy told her

>> >> and then her mummy told her and 'ad infinitum' - well not exactly, as sooner

>> >> or later we reach back to a small group of primitives that made the myth up in

>> >> the first place.

>>

>> >> It's s hard to accept the fact that one's parents and grandparents were

>> >> telling unsubstantiated yarns - maybe for the best possible reasons, but

>> >> 'yarns' nevertheless- Hide quoted text -

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>> >> - Show quoted text -

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>> >So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

>> >you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

>>

>> Since Jesus never said that, you are the one telling a tall tale. Still,

>> when it comes to science, it doesn't really matter what someone claims

>> Jesus said. The people who were writing these stories about Jesus had no

>> idea about common descent or evolution. I would be impressed with the

>> Bible if it had actually talked about it, but it doesn't.- Hide quoted text -

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>Well, yes it does. Jesus Christ said that he was the son of God.

>That does not leave any room for monkeys in his geneology. My

>genealogy is the same way Jesus Christ's is.

>Robert B. Winn

 

Matthew 5:1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and

sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn,

for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek,

for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful,

for they will be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart,

for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they will be called sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 

Note verse 8.

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Posted

On 18 Feb 2007 08:24:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 18, 8:58?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>>

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>> >Isaiah 2:7 �heir land also is full of silver and gold, neither is

>> >there any end of their treasures; their land is full of horses,

>> >neither is there any end of their chariots.

>>

>> >What I find amazing about Isaiah is that you can take any verse of

>> >Isaiah in any order and you have an intelligent reply to anything said

>> >by an atheist.

>>

>> Your delusions are entertaining.

>

>I am glad you think so, Lunch. Most other atheists do not like

>reading verses from Isaiah.

>Isaiah 2:10 Enter into the rock , and hide thee in the dust, for fear

>of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.

>Robert B. Winn

 

I don't mind reading them, but they are so hopelessly out of context

that I could point out that they are all condemning you and your

behavior and you would have no way to argue back.

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Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:59

am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> I feel better already.

Guest Darrell Stec
Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:53

am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

> you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

> Robert B. Winn

 

I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. Perhaps you might tells us what the

phantom bible you got that from says?

 

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Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:20

am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> Well, yes it does.

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Posted

On 18 Feb., 18:38, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:24:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171815879.739245.166...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On Feb 18, 8:58?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

> ...

>

> >> >Isaiah 2:7 heir land also is full of silver and gold, neither is

> >> >there any end of their treasures; their land is full of horses,

> >> >neither is there any end of their chariots.

>

> >> >What I find amazing about Isaiah is that you can take any verse of

> >> >Isaiah in any order and you have an intelligent reply to anything said

> >> >by an atheist.

>

> >> Your delusions are entertaining.

>

> >I am glad you think so, Lunch. Most other atheists do not like

> >reading verses from Isaiah.

> >Isaiah 2:10 Enter into the rock , and hide thee in the dust, for fear

> >of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.

> >Robert B. Winn

>

> I don't mind reading them, but they are so hopelessly out of context

> that I could point out that they are all condemning you and your

> behavior and you would have no way to argue back.-

 

He never has, and, unless he receives successful therapy, he never

will. In his own mind, however, he has defeated all opponents.

Nothing anyone says and no fact ever presented will have the slightest

effect on him; he lives in his own world.

Guest Darrell Stec
Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:18

am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> rbwinn wrote:

>> > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>> > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13,

>> > > 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>>

>> > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

>> > > > > > wrote:

>>

>> > > snip

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>> > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide

>> > > > > quoted text -

>>

>> > > > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at

>> > > > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently. ??It did

>> > > > not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home

>> > > > in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it happened, he was not so

>> > > > sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf??rselstegn -

>>

>> > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what

>> > > people thought back then are not evidence.

>>

>> > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas?

>> > Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with

>> > the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

>> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt

>> with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred years ago?

>>

>> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something

>> concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable.

>>

>> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it

>> is understandable. ??It is also a reason why there are atheists

>> around in growing numbers these days.- Hide quoted text -

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>

> Well, you forgot about the Dead Sea scrolls, Bob. The Dead Sea Isaiah

> scrolls show that there has been no significant change in the book of

> Isaiah since the Dead Sea Scrolls were buried.

 

You lie. There are over 40,000 difference between the Masoretic Texts

and the Great Isaiah Scroll. In addition there are numerous

differences in the several Isaiah manuscripts and fragments.

 

Look for yourself: (a small sampling)

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/31_selections.html

 

(complete scroll with comparision)

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

 

 

> Robert B. Winn

 

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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

news:1171675756.125600.185230@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 15, 10:10�pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th

> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote

>> innews:1171595862.995986.181460@l53g200

> 0cwa.googlegroups.com:

>>

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>> > On Feb 13, 5:39?am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote:

>> >> On Feb 13, 4:50 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > On Feb 12, 4:31?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th

>>

>> >> > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:

>> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote

>> >> > > innews:1171292648.170953.150200@j27

>> > g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:

>>

>> >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

>> >> > > > wrote:

>> >> > > >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > > >> > On Feb 11, 3:20?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> >> > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of

>> >> > > >> > > diffe

>> > rent

>> >> > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of

>> >> > > >> > > these

>> > Gods

>> >> > > >> > > actually exist.

>>

>> >> > > >> > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive

>> >> > > >> > > objective verifiable evidence that no Gods actually

>> >> > > >> > > exist.

>>

>> >> > > >> > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than

>> >> > > >> > > 20 BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider

>> >> > > >> > > that light travels at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND the

>> >> > > >> > > Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison,

>> >> > > >> > > our World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.

>>

>> >> > > >> > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4

>> >> > > >> > > BILLION YE

>> > ARS

>> >> > > >> > > old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on

>> >> > > >> > > earth

>> > for

>> >> > > >> > > approximately 100,000 years. When the various books of

>> >> > > >> > > the Bib

>> > le

>> >> > > >> > > were written, most of mankind believed the world was flat

>> >> > > >> > > and

>> > the

>> >> > > >> > > Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around the Earth. Many

>> >> > > >> > > believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the edge

>> >> > > >> > > of the earth,

>> >

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On Feb 18, 2:48 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:18

> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

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>

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>

> > On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13,

> >> > > 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

> >> > > > > > wrote:

>

> >> > > snip

>

> >> > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide

> >> > > > > quoted text -

>

> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at

> >> > > > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently. ??It did

> >> > > > not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home

> >> > > > in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it happened, he was not so

> >> > > > sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf??rselstegn -

>

> >> > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what

> >> > > people thought back then are not evidence.

>

> >> > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas?

> >> > Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with

> >> > the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt

> >> with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred years ago?

>

> >> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something

> >> concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable.

>

> >> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it

> >> is understandable. ??It is also a reason why there are atheists

> >> around in growing numbers these days.- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > Well, you forgot about the Dead Sea scrolls, Bob. The Dead Sea Isaiah

> > scrolls show that there has been no significant change in the book of

> > Isaiah since the Dead Sea Scrolls were buried.

>

> You lie. There are over 40,000 difference between the Masoretic Texts

> and the Great Isaiah Scroll. In addition there are numerous

> differences in the several Isaiah manuscripts and fragments.

>

> Look for yourself: (a small sampling)http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/31_selections.html

>

> (complete scroll with comparision)http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

>

> > Robert B. Winn

>

> --

> Later,

> Darrell Stec dars...@neo.rr.com

>

> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com

> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text -

 

This Winn cat is a flake and tells fibs, if I may candy-coat him a

little. Somebody in the thread said he was LDS, and I suppose he is

since he quotes Isaiah from the book of Nephi.

 

My dad was a Baptist minister (seminary trained, degree from Wake

Forest), and some cousins from Arizona sent him a Book of Mormon. It

claims to be another testament of Jesus Christ. So I opened it up

one day and began reading it to him. He was in his 90's at the time.

 

He became agitated, declared the book to be a blasphemy and demanded

that I throw it into the stove. I took it into the kitchen and

pretended to throw it into the kitchen's woodstove, but didn't. I

have kept it for all these years for entertainment. It is here on my

desk at the moment and I will take a look at Nephi, hoping I don't

doze off. I read it occasionally especially late at night when I'm a

little sleepless. Damn thing is great at inducing sleep. It's better

than a sleeping pill.

 

The only thing about zealots like Winn is that when he starts losing

an argument, is shown to be deceitful, then he becomes sullen and

abusive. Gotta watch those people. If they can't convert you with

fear o' gawd, they'll want to convert you with the blade of an axe.

 

There are all kinds of "holy" writings not included in the KJV. One I

haven't read in yet but is probably just as "holy" as Nephi or Isaiah,

is the book of _Judas._ It is said to have portrayed Judas as a

sympathetic character rather than a diabolical one, since he played a

loyal role in the predetermined arrangement for Jesus to be nailed

up, crucified and gut-stabbed --- and therefore accommodated God in

the execution of Jesus.

 

What a bloodthirsty creep that god is who would commit such a sadistic

murder upon his own offspring!

 

Drakon would have been proud.

Guest Dan@V.A.
Posted

It seems to me that atheist who invade Religious Newsgroups

with their challenges, insults and attacks on Christians and the

Christian Religion are in reality expressing their great hope.

IE _there is not God.

Could it be that they are searching for some reassurance of

their own positions in respect to God and religion.

If there is "No Evidence of Gods", so what: why does it matter

to them? Why is it their concern if Christians believe that God

exist? How is this any business of theirs? If they believe there

is no God, fine it's their right. But Christians have the same right.

 

Is it possible that these people are unhappy themselves, so it

galls them to recognize the satisfaction that religious people feel

and express because of their faith.

 

Dan

 

>

>

>

>

> > > "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message

>

> >news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

> > > On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > "Semper Lib

Guest Scott Richter
Posted

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> Is "reality" the god you worship? Reality worshippers are stoic

> fatalists, ready to accept whatever reality dishes out. Only God's people

> are willing to make an effort to live up to ideals, in the hope of improving

> upon reality.

 

Is "UNreality" the god you worship? Unreality worshippers are willful

delusionists, ready to accept whatever their clery dishes out. Only

realists are willing to make an effort to understand the world in which

we live, in the hope of improving upon that reality.

Guest Scott Richter
Posted

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says he

> is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite from

> the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic"

> indeed!!!!

 

You mean guys like Pat Robertson? Those kind of people who call

themselves Christians, and then advocate murdering leaders of countries

or Supreme Court justices?

 

Or how about Ted Haggard? Those kind of people who call themselves

Christians, condemn homosexuality as a sin, and then spend their

church's money on male hookers and crystal meth?

 

And ask your self this: how many atheists have given those douchebags

their money to pay for their million dollar homes and private jets?

 

 

"Pathetic indeed!!!!" doesn't begin to describe you and your ilk...

Posted

On Feb 17, 11:30�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> Free Lunch wrote:

> > On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> > >On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > >> snip

>

> > >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> > >> > > Isaiah 1:4

> > h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of

> > >> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> > >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> > >> > > away backward.

> > >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> > >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

>

> > >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > >> > LOL!

> > obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

> > >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

>

> > >> It is strange isn't it?

Posted

On Feb 17, 11:43�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> Free Lunch wrote:

> > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > >> >> snip

>

> > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4

>

> > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> > >> >> > > away backward.

> > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

>

> > >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > >> >> > LOL!

>

> > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

>

> > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

>

> > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading

> > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists.

Posted

On Feb 18, 9:20�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:12:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171815159.742425.197...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Feb 18, 4:02?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 13, 4:27?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> > > On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> > >

Guest Michael Gray
Posted

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec

<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:

- Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b6U2@mid.individual.net>

>After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:53

>am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

>

>> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

>> you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

>> Robert B. Winn

>

>I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. Perhaps you might tells us what the

>phantom bible you got that from says?

 

The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children.

 

--

Posted

On Feb 18, 9:05?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:01:50 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171814510.369490.138...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Feb 17, 11:03?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 16, 10:43?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > On Feb 13, 5:48?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> > > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > >> > > ?Not even just one?

>

> >> > > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> >> > > > > >> > > would make itself known.

>

> >> > > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> >> > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> >> > > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God.

>

> >> > > > > So you assert without any kind of support at all.

>

> >> > > > > >So why is it that you

> >> > > > > >do not want to read the Bible?

>

> >> > > > > I've read it.- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > > > What did you think of the book of Isaiah?

> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > I think the book of Isaiah has turned Robert Winn into a 'kook'

>

> >> > > That's what i think- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > Are you trying to say that you do not like the book of Isaiah, Bob.

> >> > What is the matter, don't you enjoy reading something intelligent?

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> I mean what I say, ) do not 'read anything between the lines'

>

> >> <REPLONKED>- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> >If all Christians would quote from the book of Isaiah, atheism would

> >cease to exist.

>

> Nothing in Isaiah supports Christianity.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

So you are saying that I should just give up and become an atheist?

Well, let's just try one more verse.

Isaiah 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of

the Lord.

Robert B. Winn

Posted

On Feb 18, 9:05�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:00:59 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171814459.115538.174...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Feb 17, 11:02?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 17, 12:23?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> > > On 17 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > snip

>

> >> > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the

> >> > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible

> >> > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?

>

> >> > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.

> >> > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?Bob

> >> > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does

> >> > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the

> >> > > > > > > Bible tangible?

>

> >> > > > > > You must be some kind of fool.

>

> >> > > > > Apparently he is insane. ?We are not going to get a rational response

> >> > > > > out of him; it is just not in him.

>

> >> > > > > snip

>

> >> > > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about

> >> > > > their beliefs.

Posted

On Feb 18, 10:38�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:24:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171815879.739245.166...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Feb 18, 8:58?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

> ...

>

> >> >Isaiah 2:7

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