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On Feb 18, 12:29�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:59

> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

> > I feel better already.

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Guest Darrell Stec
Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 6:43 pm

Michael Gray perhaps from mikegray@newsguy.com wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec

> <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:

> - Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b6U2@mid.individual.net>

>>After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:53

>>am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

>>

>>> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

>>> you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

>>> Robert B. Winn

>>

>>I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. Perhaps you might tells us what

>>the phantom bible you got that from says?

>

> The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children.

>

 

Thanks. I'm going to have to look that up. I'm sure that is exactly

the book my brother's mother-in-law is using to indoctrinate my

nephews. Their comments usually range to something like -- dad look

what nana showed us, dinosaurs on Noah's Ark. Yeah right (accompanied

with the rolling of the eyes). They are 12 and 13 now but have put

those stories in the same category as Grimm's Fairy Tales since they

were 5 and 6. Their mother takes every pretty close to literal and my

brother straddles the fence saying some of it is made up and some could

be true. I guess I am sort of the pariah in the family.

> --

 

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On Feb 18, 6:55 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 18, 9:05?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On 18 Feb 2007 08:00:59 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171814459.115538.174...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

> > >On Feb 17, 11:02?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > >> rbwinn wrote:

> > >> > On Feb 17, 12:23?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> > > On 17 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > >> > > > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > >> > > > > On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > >> > > > > snip

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the

> > >> > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible

> > >> > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?

>

> > >> > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.

> > >> > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?Bob

> > >> > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does

> > >> > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the

> > >> > > > > > > Bible tangible?

>

> > >> > > > > > You must be some kind of fool.

>

> > >> > > > > Apparently he is insane. ?We are not going to get a rational response

> > >> > > > > out of him; it is just not in him.

>

> > >> > > > > snip

>

> > >> > > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about

> > >> > > > their beliefs. ?hat is because they do not have any beliefs, only

> > >> > > > criticisms of the beliefs of others.

>

> > >> > > Poor boobie, he just can't help lying.- Hide quoted text -

>

> > >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > >> > Isaiah 2:6 ?herefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of

> > >> > Jacob, "ecause they be replentished from the east, and are

> > >> > soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the

> > >> > children of strangers.

> > >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> > >> I <PLONKED> this fool Robert a couple of weeks ago

> > >> and here I am reading his rubbish for a secondtime

>

> > >> <REPLONKED>- Hide quoted text -

>

> > >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > >And atheists say that the book of Isaiah has no effect on them.

 

What effect do you mean? Anything specific?

>

> > They don't. You are a fool. You have no idea what you are talking about.

> > --

>

> > "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel

> > to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy

> > Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should

> > take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in

> > which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh

> > it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis- Hide quoted text -

>

>

> Ha, ha. Look at the atheists run.

> Isaiah 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the

> haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be

> exalted in that day.

 

Who's running? Ah, I see you've pulled out another one. Sounds like

another threat.

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"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:14:54 +0800, "Pastor Frank"

> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message

>>> news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>> What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of

>>> these lists of things you do not believe?

>>> Do you have any lists of things you believe?

>>> Robert B. Winn

>>

>> Atheists believe that by listing all they don't believe, what's left

>>over MUST be the truth. Unfortunately for them, there are an infinite

>>number

>>of things which are not true, and very few thing which are true. So they

>>will never reach that desired end. Not only that, but because atheists

>>look

>>only for what is untrue and lies, were they to come across the truth they

>>would miss it altogether.

>

> As usual, you think you know all about "athsists" based on your own

> past. I bet you haven't really changed much.

>

I changed from a self-justified sinner, to a repentant one. What about

YOU? How and why did YOU change "much"?

> As I and others have told you many times before, atheism really

> doesn't imply a whole lot about the rest of a person's beliefs.

>

As usual atheists always know and never tire listing what is not, does

not, cannot etc. etc. ad infinitum and ad nauseam. When will you tell us

what atheism DOES "imply" and how that makes you a better person?

> But you don't really care about the truth of the matter, it seems.

>

Again, why list something that "don't"? List the thing that DO.

> It's just so much easier to talk about "atheists" as a borg-like

> entity than to respond to individuals as individuals.

>

An atheist is an indiviual who specialises in listing negatives,

....exclusively. That's "borg-like" alright.

> Love is not bigoted, and does not force people into ill-considered

> stereotypes, Frank.

>

Are you quoting Christ here or Paul?

> Your god "love" is generous and eager to see the good...

>

No "my" love, but the love of Christ that dwells in me.

> Why aren't you?

>

But I am, or rather Christ in me is!!! It's only that you don't look for

that. As an atheists you are forced to consider ONLY errors and faults.

Hence, every time you come across something "good" you cannot but miss it

altogether.

It's the curse of the Borg which makes you fate-driven, whereas we

Christians are faith based and purpose-driven. Join us and see for

yourself!! All you need to do is in a spirit of repentance and supplication,

ask Jesus to take over you life and do His works through you. When the

Kingdom of Heaven dawns on you, you will know Christ has assumed power. For

wherever Jesus is, there His Kingdom of Heaven is also.

 

 

 

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Guest Free Lunch
Posted

On 18 Feb 2007 15:36:00 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 18, 9:20?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 18 Feb 2007 08:12:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171815159.742425.197...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >On Feb 18, 4:02?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > On Feb 13, 4:27?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> >> > > On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> >> > > ...]

>>

>> >> > > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That

>> >> > > > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable.

>>

>> >> > > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter

>> >> > > > books. /w you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. )d

>> >> > > > they just materialize, or were they written also?

>> >> > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > Nobody has challenged the authorship of the Harry Potter books, the

>> >> > > first having been written by a divorcee in Scotland while she was on

>> >> > > public assistance, and the books don't claim to be anything other than

>> >> > > fiction.

ut the bible claims to be true, claims to be the inspired

>> >> > > word of a god, despite that it does not stand up to scrutiny as

>> >> > > history and appears at best to be the fiction of unknown writers who

>> >> > > believed the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun

>> >> > > revolved around the earth.

>>

>> >> > Appears to be fiction of unknown writers? %ll, the Apostle Paul

>> >> > wrote most of the books of the New Testament.

>>

>> >> That is simply something 'claimed' from thouands of years back, no-one 'knows'

>> >> anything about these times, we can only speculate

>>

>> >Well, we had one atheist who was speculating that there were clocks

>> >and observers back in the time of dinosaurs.

>>

>> Another lie from you.

>>

>> Since when did LDS demand that you lie?- Hide quoted text -

>>

>There is no way to have "proper time" without a clock and an

>observer. Sorry that is how proper time is defined.

 

Nonsense.

Guest Darrell Stec
Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 7:12 pm

rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007

>> 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>>

>> > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to brighten

>> > your day.

>>

>> Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four people or

>> schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout several

>> centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a composition by many not the work

>> of one man.

>>

>> In addition there is nothing outside the bible to evidence that an

>> Isaiah really existed. ??He was made up much later by the proxy

>> priests appointed by Darius, who just happens to have been called the

>> messiah in the Old Testament (along with David, a donkey, two

>> pillars, a stone and a loaf of bread).

>>

>> --

>> Later,

>> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>>

> Sorry, Darrell, it was all written by the same person. The same

> pattern exists in the language from the first verse to the last.

>

> Robert B. Winn

 

 

Ah, one who portends to understand the ancient languages of the bible.

Great. Perhaps you can answer a few questions for me:

 

How does one determine which might deceive the reader:

 

vayosef af-adonai lakharot beyisrael vayaset et-david bahem lemor lekh

mene et-yisrael veet-yehuda

 

 

OR THIS

 

vayaamod satan al-yisrael vayaset et-david limnot et-yisrael

 

 

Can you explain what we should do:

 

lo-taasu avel bamishpat lo-tisa fenei-dal velo tehdarpenei gadol

betsedek tishpot amitekha

 

OR THIS

 

me krinete ina me krithete

 

 

Which of these is the basis of Christian belief and which do you

believe:

 

hos de an blasphemese eis to pneuma to hagion ouk echei aphesin eis ton

aiona all enochos estin aioniou kriseos

 

OR THIS

 

in hoc omnis qui credit iustificatur

 

OR THIS

 

horate toinun oti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon

 

OR THIS

 

te gar chariti este sesosmenoi dia tes pisteos kai touto ouk ex humon

theou

to doron ouk ex ergon hina me tis kauchesetai

 

 

By the way, you are totally daft. No biblical scholar of the last 150

years believed Isaiah to be the work of a single author during a single

time period. Anyone even casually aquainted with Hebrew can point out

various gramatical structures and wording that derive from different

centuries.

 

 

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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message

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> Free Lunch wrote:

>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:57:25 +0800, in alt.atheism

>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>> <45d6f3b5$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>> >"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> >news:1171557849.413643.272690@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

>> >> On Feb 15, 7:22 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> >>> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>> >>> > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> >>> > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >>> > > > Free Lunch wrote:

>> >>> > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >>> > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>> >>> > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk>

>> >>> > > > > >wrote:

>> >>> > snip

>> >>>

>> >>> > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have

>> >>> > > > > >consistently

>> >>> > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>> >>>

>> >>> > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.

>> >>>

>> >>> > > > He is lying for god - so it's Okay.

>> >>>

>> >>> > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it

>> >>> > > exists.

>> >>> > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff.

>> >>>

>> >>> > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did

>> >>> > not

>> >>> > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You

>> >>> > called

>> >>> > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text -

>> >>>

>> >>> > - Show quoted text -

>> >>>

>> >>> You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist. If I ask you

>> >>> about Isaiah's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea, you reply

>> >>> with an inane question about fictional characters. So, the

>> >>> conversation is over. You are claiming that the Bible does not

>> >>> exist.

>> >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

>> >>> - Show quoted text -

>> >>

>> >> You are pathetic, Bobby. You've done violence to the English language

>> >> with your mendacity, and your only alternative now to propagate your

>> >> superstition is violence against the person.

>> >> Philosophers and freethinkers don't do violence, but it's second

>> >> nature with you Christians.

>> >>

>> > Religion IS Philosophy, and free thinkers allowed Hitler to sell His

>> >values to his nation and which caused the misery and death of untold

>> >millions. Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says

>> >he

>> >is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite

>> >from

>> >the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic"

>> >indeed!!!! See below

>>

>> You know that Hitler appealed to Christians and got them to support him.

>> You know that the slaveholders appealed to Christians and caused a

>> terrible war in the US.

>

> In The Deep South slave owners forced their slaves to go to church

> [separately]

> now they have their own chapels with mega dollar bank accounts.

>

> Not only did they enslave them physically, they enslaved them mentally

> too.

>

You forgot to finish your sentence again Bob!!!! What you wanted to say

is: ....enslave them mentally too, and I wouldn't have it any other way. For

once everybody has no beliefs anymore and is like me, I would have no place

to hide and be safe any longer!!

 

 

 

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Guest Pastor Frank
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"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:51:58 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

> wrote:

>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:35:48 +0800, in alt.atheism

>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>><45d6f3c4$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>>>news:021at2dduc81elh421vfel0tr3he94oqc0@4ax.com...

>>>> On 15 Feb 2007 04:31:43 -0800, in alt.atheism

>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

>>>> <1171542703.680913.131700@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>>>>>

>>>>>Well, Thomas, here we see the last refuge of the atheist, the personal

>>>>>attack. We were discussing the Bible here in alt.bible. Now everyone

>>>>>can see your purpose in intruding in our conversation. If you do not

>>>>>want to talk about the Bible, why don't you go live the happy life of

>>>>>an atheist?

>>>>

>>>> I'm in alt.atheism watching you tell your lies. Why are you posting

>>>> your

>>>> lies in alt.atheism.

>>>>

>>> Because a.a. is ABOUT atheism, not a refuge FOR atheists. Also,

>>> atheist

>>>doctrine demands, that what we consider the truth, atheists MUST call

>>>lies

>>>or face excommunication and confiscation of their number.

>>

>>As people have pointed out again and again, yet you, in your hubris

>>refuse to acknowledge, there is no such thing as atheist doctrine.

>>

>>It appears that you hate people.

>

> Indeed. He spends a lot of time on alt.atheism telling us how awful

> he thinks we are.

>

Non sequitur to what I wrote. My comments concerned atheism as a

philosophy of life, not atheists as persons. But then atheism requires

atheists to ALWAYS emphasis faults, errors, shortcomings, insufficiencies

etc. to the exclusion of affirming what is good, right, desirable, and

salutary.

That is what hell is all about, all negative and despairing and nothing

positive and hopeful. And that is also why Christ came to bring us the Good

News.

 

 

 

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Guest Pastor Frank
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message

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> Pastor Frank wrote:

>> "Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message

>> news:u0t9t29t9133fjdkqcvtbp9dpnc036ov1m@4ax.com...

>> >

>> > Yes, and it's nice that my opinion and reality coincide.

>>

>> Is "reality" the god you worship? Reality worshippers are stoic

>> fatalists, ready to accept whatever reality dishes out. Only God's people

>> are willing to make an effort to live up to ideals, in the hope of

>> improving

>> upon reality.

>

> YEP - Frank and his ilk worship 'a concept'

>

Christ is the living incarnation and example of that concept, or spirit

which is the God of Christ. But then atheists MUST follow their own "ilk",

come what may, don't they?

 

 

 

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Guest Free Lunch
Posted

On 18 Feb 2007 16:01:32 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

<1171843292.820425.270260@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>On Feb 18, 10:38?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 18 Feb 2007 08:24:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171815879.739245.166...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >On Feb 18, 8:58?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> ...

>>

>> >> >Isaiah 2:7 (eir land also is full of silver and gold, neither is

>> >> >there any end of their treasures; their land is full of horses,

>> >> >neither is there any end of their chariots.

>>

>> >> >What I find amazing about Isaiah is that you can take any verse of

>> >> >Isaiah in any order and you have an intelligent reply to anything said

>> >> >by an atheist.

>>

>> >> Your delusions are entertaining.

>>

>> >I am glad you think so, Lunch. Most other atheists do not like

>> >reading verses from Isaiah.

>> >Isaiah 2:10 �nter into the rock , and hide thee in the dust, for fear

>> >of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.

>> >Robert B. Winn

>>

>> I don't mind reading them, but they are so hopelessly out of context

>> that I could point out that they are all condemning you and your

>> behavior and you would have no way to argue back.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

>Out of context? I am just taking them in order.

>Robert B. Winn

 

Once verse that is totally nonresponsive to the comment above shows your

total disrespect for Isaiah.

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rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:36�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > rbwinn wrote:

> > > On Feb 17, 12:59�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

> >

> > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >

> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >

> > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > > > > >> > ...

> >

> > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on

> > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

> >

> > > > > >> > Source with complete context please.

> >

> > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

> >

> > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> > > > > >> his book.

> >

> > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very

> > > > > moment.

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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message

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> Free Lunch wrote:

>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:35:48 +0800, in alt.atheism

>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>> <45d6f3c4$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>> >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>> >news:021at2dduc81elh421vfel0tr3he94oqc0@4ax.com...

>> >> On 15 Feb 2007 04:31:43 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> <1171542703.680913.131700@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>> >>>

>> >>>Well, Thomas, here we see the last refuge of the atheist, the personal

>> >>>attack. We were discussing the Bible here in alt.bible. Now everyone

>> >>>can see your purpose in intruding in our conversation. If you do not

>> >>>want to talk about the Bible, why don't you go live the happy life of

>> >>>an atheist?

>> >>

>> >> I'm in alt.atheism watching you tell your lies. Why are you posting

>> >> your

>> >> lies in alt.atheism.

>> >>

>> > Because a.a. is ABOUT atheism, not a refuge FOR atheists. Also,

>> > atheist

>> >doctrine demands, that what we consider the truth, atheists MUST call

>> >lies

>> >or face excommunication and confiscation of their number.

>>

>> As people have pointed out again and again, yet you, in your hubris

>> refuse to acknowledge, there is no such thing as atheist doctrine.

>>

>> It appears that you hate people.

>

> he hates anyone that challenges his myth

> and then thinks nothing of lying through his teeth

>

"Lying"? Quote the evidence or admit you are a false accuser, and a liar

for atheism.

It's always amazing to watch brazen atheists demand evidence and proofs

for God etc. but NEVER supply any evidence for their own assertions.

 

 

 

--

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Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > Bill M wrote:

> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

> > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >

> > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > > > >> > ...

> >

> > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on

> > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

> >

> > > > >> > Source with complete context please.

> >

> > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

> >

> > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> > > > >> his book.

> >

> > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very

> > > > moment.

Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > >> Bill M wrote:

> > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

> > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >

> > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > >> > > >> > ...

> >

> > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on

> > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

> >

> > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please.

> >

> > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

> >

> > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> > >> > > >> his book.

> >

> > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very

> > >> > > moment.

Guest bob young
Posted

Darrell Stec wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:20

> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

>

> > Well, yes it does.

Guest bob young
Posted

Michael Gray wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec

> <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:

> - Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b6U2@mid.individual.net>

> >After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:53

> >am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> >

> >> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

> >> you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

> >> Robert B. Winn

> >

> >I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. Perhaps you might tells us what the

> >phantom bible you got that from says?

>

> The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children.

 

Or the other one

 

"How to brainwash your children into following The Father"

 

We jest, but the truth is these things happen

and it should be declared a criminal offence

>

>

> --

Guest Pastor Frank
Posted

"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1htqi7g.r2pcm313onadyN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...

> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>>

>> Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says he

>> is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite

>> from

>> the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic"

>> indeed!!!!

>

> You mean guys like Pat Robertson? Those kind of people who call

> themselves Christians, and then advocate murdering leaders of countries

> or Supreme Court justices?

> Or how about Ted Haggard? Those kind of people who call themselves

> Christians, condemn homosexuality as a sin, and then spend their

> church's money on male hookers and crystal meth?

> And ask your self this: how many atheists have given those douchebags

> their money to pay for their million dollar homes and private jets?

> "Pathetic indeed!!!!" doesn't begin to describe you and your ilk...

>

Do any of those follow Christ and His commandments, or even the doctrine

of their own church? Those who profess Christ, yet justify doing the

opposite from what Christ preached are Satan's minions, not follower of

Christ.

Perhaps you would like us to paint you with the same brush befitting the

likes of famous / infamous atheists, who created a blood bath in so many

countries. See below

 

Pastor Frank

> LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people

> in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a

> most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder

> at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.

> The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems

> throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated

> by atheists in a single century.

 

 

 

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Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 9:34�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >

> > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >

> > >> >> snip

> >

> > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4

> >

> > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> > >> >> > > away backward.

> > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > >> >> > LOL!

> >

> > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

> >

> > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

> >

> > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading

> > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists.

Guest bob young
Posted

Free Lunch wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171813927.654176.99950@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> >On Feb 17, 9:34?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >>

> >> >> >> snip

> >>

> >> >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> >> >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4

> >>

> >> >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> >> >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> >> >> >> > > away backward.

> >> >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

> >>

> >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

> >>

> >> >> >> > LOL!

> >>

> >> >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

> >>

> >> >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

> >>

> >> >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading

> >> >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. 4 is hard to accept that

> >> >> >> somebody can be so incredibly silly.

> >>

> >> >> >Well, it is a win-win situation. f an atheist runs away like james

> >> >> >g. keegan did, then you do not have to talk to him again. & an

> >> >> >atheist sticks around, then he cannot pretend that he has never had

> >> >> >anything intelligent said to him. % has read a few verses from the

> >> >> >book of Isaiah.

> >>

> >> >> If there was anything intelligent said, it did not come from you and

> >> >> your bizarrely chosen Isaiah quotes.

> >>

> >> >Well, whatever Isaiah wrote was intelligent. saiah was a prophet of

> >> >God.

> >>

> >> So you assert, though no evidence to support the claim exists.

> >>

> >> >Isaiah 2:3

> nd many people shall go and sayu, Come ye, and let us go

> >> >up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob: !nd

> >> >he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out

> >> >of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from

> >> >Jerusalem.

> >>

> >> Nice words. Meaningless, but nice.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

> >>

> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> >>

> >> - Show quoted text -

> >

> >Isaiah 2:7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is

> >there any end of their treasures; their land is full of horses,

> >neither is there any end of their chariots.

> >

> >What I find amazing about Isaiah is that you can take any verse of

> >Isaiah in any order and you have an intelligent reply to anything said

> >by an atheist.

>

> Your delusions are entertaining.

 

I know - I had him <plonked> twice but i keep cming back for another laugh - it's like a drug !

Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 18, 8:58�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> >

> >

> > >On Feb 17, 9:34?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > >> On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > >> >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > >> >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > >> >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >

> > >> >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >

> > >> >> >> snip

> >

> > >> >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> > >> >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4

> >

> > >> >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord,

> > >> >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone

> > >> >> >> > > away backward.

> > >> >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist.

> > >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > >> >> >> > LOL!

> >

> > >> >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross

> >

> > >> >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.-

> >

> > >> >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading

> > >> >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists.

Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 18, 3:57�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > rbwinn wrote:

> > > On Feb 16, 2:19�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > > > On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >

> > > > snip

> >

> > > > > > You forgot about Isaiah.

> > > > > > Isaiah 1:4

Guest bob young
Posted

Free Lunch wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2007 04:46:29 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171543589.336115.264610@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> >On Feb 15, 2:55?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> On 15 Feb., 03:59, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >>

> >> > > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >>

> >> > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> >>

> >> > > > ...

> >>

> >> > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. ?Lincoln said on

> >> > > > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

> >>

> >> > > > Source with complete context please.

> >>

> >> > > You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

> >>

> >> > > Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> >> > > his book. ?A forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at

> >> > > this very moment. ?It recommends hunting down and hanging anyone

> >> > > critical of the war effort. ?A pundit has already confessed that he is

> >> > > the author of the quote.

> >>

> >> > > The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie

> >> > > Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._

> >>

> >> > Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection

> >> > and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible?

> >> > I see no reason to worry about it myself.

> >>

> >> The twit confirms Jjls' judgment.

> >I gave you an option that would resolve your questions about Abraham

> >Lincoln. You say you do not want to do it. That means that you would

> >rather tell lies about Abraham Lincoln.

>

> No, you are lying about the resurrection. You know there is absolutely

> no evidence to support your claim that there will be one.

 

This is much closer to the real facts, but we will never know for sure:

 

CURTAIN RISES

 

[Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple.

Guest bob young
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> >

> > ...

> >

> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

Guest bob young
Posted

Scott Richter wrote:

> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>

> > Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says he

> > is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite from

> > the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic"

> > indeed!!!!

>

> You mean guys like Pat Robertson? Those kind of people who call

> themselves Christians, and then advocate murdering leaders of countries

> or Supreme Court justices?

>

> Or how about Ted Haggard? Those kind of people who call themselves

> Christians, condemn homosexuality as a sin, and then spend their

> church's money on male hookers and crystal meth?

>

> And ask your self this: how many atheists have given those douchebags

> their money to pay for their million dollar homes and private jets?

 

Then of course there's Benny H with his rigged miracles

 

If it were anything other than religion it would be a crime

>

>

> "Pathetic indeed!!!!" doesn't begin to describe you and your ilk...

>

Guest bob young
Posted

Free Lunch wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2007 08:12:39 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171815159.742425.197490@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> >On Feb 18, 4:02?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 13, 4:27?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> > > On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> > > �...]

> >>

> >> > > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That

> >> > > > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable.

> >>

> >> > > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text -

> >>

> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -

> >>

> >> > > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter

> >> > > > books. �ow you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. �id

> >> > > > they just materialize, or were they written also?

> >> > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -

> >>

> >> > > > - Show quoted text -

> >>

> >> > > Nobody has challenged the authorship of the Harry Potter books, the

> >> > > first having been written by a divorcee in Scotland while she was on

> >> > > public assistance, and the books don't claim to be anything other than

> >> > > fiction. But the bible claims to be true, claims to be the inspired

> >> > > word of a god, despite that it does not stand up to scrutiny as

> >> > > history and appears at best to be the fiction of unknown writers who

> >> > > believed the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun

> >> > > revolved around the earth.

> >>

> >> > Appears to be fiction of unknown writers? �ell, the Apostle Paul

> >> > wrote most of the books of the New Testament.

> >>

> >> That is simply something 'claimed' from thouands of years back, no-one 'knows'

> >> anything about these times, we can only speculate

> >>

> >Well, we had one atheist who was speculating that there were clocks

> >and observers back in the time of dinosaurs.

>

> Another lie from you.

>

> Since when did LDS demand that you lie?

 

They have to 'Lie for God' it's all they have left

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