Guest Free Lunch Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On 18 Feb 2007 23:42:01 -0600, in alt.atheism bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in <45D93854.C68C3E@netvigator.com>: > > >Free Lunch wrote: > >> On 18 Feb 2007 08:12:39 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171815159.742425.197490@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >On Feb 18, 4:02?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Feb 13, 4:27?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > �...] >> >> >> >> > > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That >> >> > > > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. >> >> >> >> > > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter >> >> > > > books. �ow you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. �id >> >> > > > they just materialize, or were they written also? >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > > Nobody has challenged the authorship of the Harry Potter books, the >> >> > > first having been written by a divorcee in Scotland while she was on >> >> > > public assistance, and the books don't claim to be anything other than >> >> > > fiction. But the bible claims to be true, claims to be the inspired >> >> > > word of a god, despite that it does not stand up to scrutiny as >> >> > > history and appears at best to be the fiction of unknown writers who >> >> > > believed the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun >> >> > > revolved around the earth. >> >> >> >> > Appears to be fiction of unknown writers? �ell, the Apostle Paul >> >> > wrote most of the books of the New Testament. >> >> >> >> That is simply something 'claimed' from thouands of years back, no-one 'knows' >> >> anything about these times, we can only speculate >> >> >> >Well, we had one atheist who was speculating that there were clocks >> >and observers back in the time of dinosaurs. >> >> Another lie from you. >> >> Since when did LDS demand that you lie? > >They have to 'Lie for God' it's all they have left > But LDS doesn't tell these lies. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 jl wrote: > On Feb 18, 2:48 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: > > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:18 > > am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, > > >> > > 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > snip > > > > >> > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide > > >> > > > > quoted text - > > > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > >> > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at > > >> > > > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently. ??It did > > >> > > > not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home > > >> > > > in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it happened, he was not so > > >> > > > sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf??rselstegn - > > > > >> > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what > > >> > > people thought back then are not evidence. > > > > >> > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas? > > >> > Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with > > >> > the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > >> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt > > >> with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred years ago? > > > > >> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something > > >> concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable. > > > > >> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it > > >> is understandable. ??It is also a reason why there are atheists > > >> around in growing numbers these days.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, you forgot about the Dead Sea scrolls, Bob. The Dead Sea Isaiah > > > scrolls show that there has been no significant change in the book of > > > Isaiah since the Dead Sea Scrolls were buried. > > > > You lie. There are over 40,000 difference between the Masoretic Texts > > and the Great Isaiah Scroll. In addition there are numerous > > differences in the several Isaiah manuscripts and fragments. > > > > Look for yourself: (a small sampling)http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/31_selections.html > > > > (complete scroll with comparision)http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > -- > > Later, > > Darrell Stec dars...@neo.rr.com > > > > Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com > > We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - > > This Winn cat is a flake and tells fibs, if I may candy-coat him a > little. Somebody in the thread said he was LDS, and I suppose he is > since he quotes Isaiah from the book of Nephi. > > My dad was a Baptist minister (seminary trained, degree from Wake > Forest), and some cousins from Arizona sent him a Book of Mormon. It > claims to be another testament of Jesus Christ. So I opened it up > one day and began reading it to him. He was in his 90's at the time. > > He became agitated, declared the book to be a blasphemy and demanded > that I throw it into the stove. I took it into the kitchen and > pretended to throw it into the kitchen's woodstove, but didn't. I > have kept it for all these years for entertainment. It is here on my > desk at the moment and I will take a look at Nephi, hoping I don't > doze off. I read it occasionally especially late at night when I'm a > little sleepless. Damn thing is great at inducing sleep. It's better > than a sleeping pill. > > The only thing about zealots like Winn is that when he starts losing > an argument, is shown to be deceitful, then he becomes sullen and > abusive. Gotta watch those people. If they can't convert you with > fear o' gawd, they'll want to convert you with the blade of an axe. You think like Twain, he put it this way: "Man is kind enough when he's not excited by religion," "but once the holy holies have got a grip on him he's capable of almost anything. When a disciple from the wildcat religious asylum comes marching forth, get under the bed. It doesn't matter whether he's a Christian, Hindu, Jew or Muslim. If he's made up his mind that you need reforming, he will do it with anything handy - an ax, 800 years of witch burning or, if necessary, he'll blow you up." [Mark Twain] Twain's last part is rather prophetic, just look at The Middle East today > > There are all kinds of "holy" writings not included in the KJV. One I > haven't read in yet but is probably just as "holy" as Nephi or Isaiah, > is the book of _Judas._ It is said to have portrayed Judas as a > sympathetic character rather than a diabolical one, since he played a > loyal role in the predetermined arrangement for Jesus to be nailed > up, crucified and gut-stabbed --- and therefore accommodated God in > the execution of Jesus. > > What a bloodthirsty creep that god is who would commit such a sadistic > murder upon his own offspring! > > Drakon would have been proud. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 17, 11:30�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > Free Lunch wrote: > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > >On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > >> snip > > > > > >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of > > > >> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > >> > > away backward. > > > >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > >> > LOL! > > > obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > > >> It is strange isn't it? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 7:39�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2007 16:01:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171843292.820425.270...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 18, 10:38?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 18 Feb 2007 08:24:39 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1171815879.739245.166...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Feb 18, 8:58?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> >> <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > >> ... > > >> >> >Isaiah 2:7 (eir land also is full of silver and gold, neither is > >> >> >there any end of their treasures; their land is full of horses, > >> >> >neither is there any end of their chariots. > > >> >> >What I find amazing about Isaiah is that you can take any verse of > >> >> >Isaiah in any order and you have an intelligent reply to anything said > >> >> >by an atheist. > > >> >> Your delusions are entertaining. > > >> >I am glad you think so, Lunch. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:07�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 17, 10:36�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 12:59�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:09�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > Bill M wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:15�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> Bill M wrote: > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >> > ... > > > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > >> > > >> his book. > > > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > >> > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:15�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> Bill M wrote: > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >> > ... > > > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > >> > > >> his book. > > > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > >> > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:17�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Darrell Stec wrote: > > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:20 > > am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > Well, yes it does. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Michael Gray wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec > > <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 17, 9:34�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > >> >> snip > > > > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > >> >> > > away backward. > > > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >> > LOL! > > > > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:27�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Free Lunch wrote: > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 17, 9:34?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > >> <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > >> >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > >> >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> >> >> snip > > > >> >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > >> >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > >> >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > >> >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > >> >> >> > > away backward. > > >> >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> >> > LOL! > > > >> >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > >> >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > >> >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > >> >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:28�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 8:58�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:52:07 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171813927.654176.99...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 17, 9:34?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> snip > > > > >> >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > >> >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > > >> >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > >> >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > >> >> >> > > away backward. > > > >> >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >> >> > LOL! > > > > >> >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > > >> >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > >> >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > > >> >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:35�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 3:57�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 16, 2:19�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > > > > Isaiah 1:4 Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > ... > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:50�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > jl wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2:48 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > > > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 11:18 > > > am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, > > > >> > > 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > snip > > > > >> > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide > > > >> > > > > quoted text - > > > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > >> > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at > > > >> > > > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently. ??It did > > > >> > > > not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived home > > > >> > > > in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it happened, he was not so > > > >> > > > sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf??rselstegn - > > > > >> > > Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what > > > >> > > people thought back then are not evidence. > > > > >> > Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas? > > > >> > Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with > > > >> > the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > >> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt > > > >> with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred years ago? > > > > >> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something > > > >> concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable. > > > > >> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it > > > >> is understandable. ??It is also a reason why there are atheists > > > >> around in growing numbers these days.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, you forgot about the Dead Sea scrolls, Bob. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 In alt.atheism On 18 Feb 2007 08:18:38 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred >> years ago? >> >> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable. >> >> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it is understandable. t is also a reason why there >> are atheists around in growing numbers these days.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, you forgot about the Dead Sea scrolls, Bob. The Dead Sea Isaiah >scrolls show that there has been no significant change in the book of >Isaiah since the Dead Sea Scrolls were buried. Liar. It shows significant changes from the Masoretic text. The Qumran family is different from the Masoreh, not just in name but in content in many places. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 In alt.atheism On 18 Feb 2007 16:12:24 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> >wrote: >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:59 >> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> > I feel better already. �ere is a verse from Isaiah to brighten your >> > day. >> >> Which Isaiah? �ou realize that there were at least four people or >> schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout several >> centuries don't you? saiah is a composition by many not the work of >> one man. >> >> In addition there is nothing outside the bible to evidence that an >> Isaiah really existed. �e was made up much later by the proxy priests >> appointed by Darius, who just happens to have been called the messiah >> in the Old Testament (along with David, a donkey, two pillars, a stone >> and a loaf of bread). >> >Sorry, Darrell, it was all written by the same person. Sorry, it was written by at least 3 or 4 people. All modern biblical scholars agree. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest jl Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 On Feb 19, 8:26 am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On 18 Feb 2007 16:12:24 -0800, "rbwinn" > <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > > > > > >On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > >wrote: > >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:59 > >> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> > I feel better already. ere is a verse from Isaiah to brighten your > >> > day. > > >> Which Isaiah? ou realize that there were at least four people or > >> schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout several > >> centuries don't you? saiah is a composition by many not the work of > >> one man. > > >> In addition there is nothing outside the bible to evidence that an > >> Isaiah really existed. e was made up much later by the proxy priests > >> appointed by Darius, who just happens to have been called the messiah > >> in the Old Testament (along with David, a donkey, two pillars, a stone > >> and a loaf of bread). > > >Sorry, Darrell, it was all written by the same person. > > Sorry, it was written by at least 3 or 4 people. All modern > biblical scholars agree. True. You can google Isaiah and authorship and see much controversy, but consensus is that Isaiah had multiple authors. Trouble with Bobby Winn is his holy book, whether BoM or Bible, doesn't mean what it says. It means what HE says. Twain was well aware of the notorious feuds among religious sects. His later writings are rich in the controversies. Twain watched in fascination as protestants fought among themselves here in this continent. Isn't Bobby somewhere in the melee which develops here? : I experimented with a cat and a dog, taught them to be friends and then I put them in a cage. I introduced a rabbit and in an hour, they were friends. Then I added a fox, a goose, a squirrel, some doves, a kangaroo and finally a monkey. They lived together in perfect peace. Well, next I caught an Irish Catholic and put him in a cage. And as soon as he seemed tame, I added a Presbyterian and then a Turk from Constantinople, a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansas, a Buddhist from China and finally a Salvation Army colonel. Why when I come back there wasn't a specimen left alive. These reasoning animals had disagreed on theological details and carried the matter to a higher court because, because you see man is also the religious animal. He is the only one that's got the true religion, several of them. He loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. Why he has made a graveyard of the globe and trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven. The other animals have no religion you know, gonna' be left out in the... [END VIDEO CLIP] from http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript312_full.html Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1htqhxh.18bgdpfzkc43tN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> >> Is "reality" the god you worship? Reality worshippers are stoic >> fatalists, ready to accept whatever reality dishes out. Only God's people >> are willing to make an effort to live up to ideals, in the hope of >> improving >> upon reality. > > Is "UNreality" the god you worship? Unreality worshippers are willful > delusionists, ready to accept whatever their clery dishes out. Only > realists are willing to make an effort to understand the world in which > we live, in the hope of improving upon that reality. > What is "UNreality"? You seem clueless as to the values Christ represents. "clerics" indeed!!! See below Pastor Frank Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Dan@V.A. Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 It seems to me that atheist who invade Religious Newsgroups with their challenges, insults and attacks on Christians and the Christian Religion are in reality expressing their great hope. IE _the hope that there is no God. Could it be that they are searching for some reassurance of their own positions in respect to God and religion. If there is "No Evidence of Gods", so what: why does it matter to them? Why is it their concern if Christians believe that God exist? How is this any business of theirs? If they believe there is no God, fine it's their right. But Christians have the same right. I know they like to pretend that Christians try to shove their religion down their throats, this somehow in their minds justifies their attacks on Christians, but this is impossible to force conversion and futile even if it were for the simple reason it would not be an honest sincere conversion. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot force him to drink. > Is it possible that these people are unhappy themselves, so it galls them to recognize the satisfaction that religious people feel and express because of their religious faith. Dan > > > > > > > > "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message > > > > >news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 11:45 am Dan@V.A. perhaps from danW@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > It seems to me that atheist who invade Religious Newsgroups > with their challenges, insults and attacks on Christians and the > Christian Religion are in reality expressing their great hope. > IE _the hope that there is no God. > Could it be that they are searching for some reassurance of > their own positions in respect to God and religion. > If there is "No Evidence of Gods", so what: why does it matter > to them? Why is it their concern if Christians believe that God > exist? How is this any business of theirs? If they believe there > is no God, fine it's their right. But Christians have the same right. > > I know they like to pretend that Christians try to shove their > religion down their throats, this somehow in their minds justifies > their attacks on Christians, but this is impossible to force > conversion and futile even if it were for the simple reason it would > not be an honest sincere conversion. You can lead a horse to water but > you cannot force him to drink. >> > Is it possible that these people are unhappy themselves, so it > galls them to recognize the satisfaction that religious people feel > and express because of their religious faith. > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message >> > >> > >news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > > > On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:02 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> Michael Gray wrote: >> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec >> > <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >> > ?? - Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b...@mid.individual.net> >> > >After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 >> > >10:53 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> > >> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of >> > >> monkeys, you claim that he was telling a "yarn"? >> > >> Robert B. Winn >> >> > >I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. ??Perhaps you might tells us >> > >what the phantom bible you got that from says? >> >> > The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children. >> >> Or the other one >> >> "How to brainwash your children into following The Father" >> >> We jest, but the truth is these things happen >> and it should be declared a criminal offence >> > So if the government could be persuaded into burning all Bibles, there > could be world peace? > Robert B. Winn That would be an exercise in futility. First (and there is historical precedence for it) not all bibles would be burned. Some would be squirreled away (that's why we know about early Christians like the Marcionites, Ebonites, Arianims, and others like the Gnostics. Secondly some nuts would come along and invent some new stories for a bible (for instance the one that was later translated as the KJV). And in case you haven't noticed, it has been Christianity that burned books throughout history. Thinking people are not afraid of ideas. If those ideas are wrong then that will be exposed. Christians burn the books in order to keep the ideas from being expressed and examined. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:01 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:17?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> Darrell Stec wrote: >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 >> > 11:20 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> > > Well, yes it does. ??Jesus Christ said that he was the son of >> > > God. >> >> > Where? >> >> They make it up as they go along, they have nothing else >> > So why do they have nothing else? Don't they have the trees and sky > and the mountains, etc.? Or did all of these things belong to > environmentalists back then like they do today? > Robert B. Winn Yours is a totally irrational reply. It has nothing to do with the topic. Now try answering the question. Where does Joshua the oiled one say he is the son of god? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 In ancient times many people found it difficult to represent nothing. How to represent nothing? If a symbol is used then that symbol would be something and therefore it will not be nothing. However intelligent people invented the symbol ZERO to represent the concept of nothing! Yes, SOMETHING could be used to represent NOTHING! However till now I do not know what the word 'GOD' represents. Is it representing something or nothing? I personally had not seen or read or heard any proof to deny or confirm that that is allegedly represented by the word 'GOD'. So persecutions should be stopped in view of the uncertainty that is facing humanity! Hello! I died some two thousand years ago and my views only represent the dead! Thank you! "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8vkCh.12996$O8.6455@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > > > > It seems to me that atheist who invade Religious Newsgroups > with their challenges, insults and attacks on Christians and the > Christian Religion are in reality expressing their great hope. > IE _the hope that there is no God. > Could it be that they are searching for some reassurance of > their own positions in respect to God and religion. > If there is "No Evidence of Gods", so what: why does it matter > to them? Why is it their concern if Christians believe that God > exist? How is this any business of theirs? If they believe there > is no God, fine it's their right. But Christians have the same right. > > I know they like to pretend that Christians try to shove their religion > down their throats, this somehow in their minds justifies their attacks > on Christians, but this is impossible to force conversion and futile > even if it were for the simple reason it would not be an honest > sincere conversion. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot > force him to drink. > > > Is it possible that these people are unhappy themselves, so it > galls them to recognize the satisfaction that religious people feel > and express because of their religious faith. > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Semper Lib Quote
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