Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Bill M wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1171882240.560918.302160@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 10:07?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 10:36?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 17, 12:59?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln > > > > > > > >> > >said on > > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton > > > > > > > >> did in > > > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > moment. t recommends hunting down and hanging anyone > > > > > > > >> critical of the war effort. > > > > > > > > > pundit has already confessed that he is > > > > > > > > > >> the author of the quote. > > > > > > > > > >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either > > > > > > > >> the Moonie > > > > > > > >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ > > > > > > > > > >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the > > > > > > > >resurrection > > > > > > > >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? > > > > > > > >I see no reason to worry about it myself. > > > > > > > > > Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all > > > > > > > that there > > > > > > > is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. That is all the evidence we need. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a > > > > > > fable and > > > > > > objective verifiable evidence!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > I can tell, Bill. Fables are stories that give animals human > > > > > characteristics, sort of like the theory of evolution. The Apostle > > > > > Paul said that......... > > > > > > .....irresponsible childish nonsense - there is no way in this world > > > > that we > > > > have any idea what a so called 'apostle' was supposed to have said > > > > over two > > > > thousand years ago....... grow up > > > > > > By the way, apostles and prophets were all charlatans as they got up > > > > and claimed > > > > [or wrote claiming] that they had a direct link with a god - they were > > > > all lying > > > > through their teeth. > > > > > > So much for apostles ! > > > > > No, apostles and prophets were called of God to testify of Christ. I > > > know this seems incredible to a person like you who has only > > > associated with atheists and other dishonest people. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Idiot - i was confirmed at 21 > > > > .................but then had the intelligence to see through the lunacy > > > > Called to testify !? Your invisible god does no calling today does it, > > only claimed > > to have happened so far back to times when nothing can be verified > > > > - how convenient- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > No man taketh this honor unto himself, but he who is called of God as > was Aaron. > The priesthood, which is the authority to speak for God, cannot be > obtained except by ordination under the hands of someone who has that > authority. Aaron was ordained by Moses, Moses was ordained by his > father in law, Jethro. Yes we humans are very good at 'scratching each others backs' it is part of grooming process and making sure we are, collectively, safe. No gods needed or indeed exist, simply man's primitive needs - they exist all right ! > > Robert B. Winn > > More biblical 'nonsense'! Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:09�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > Bill M wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:35 Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 9:34�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> snip > > > > > > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > > > > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > > >> >> > > away backward. > > > > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> > LOL! > > > > > > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > > > > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > > > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > > > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > news:45D7E7A8.270EB212@netvigator.com... > > Free Lunch wrote: > >> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:57:25 +0800, in alt.atheism > >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in > >> <45d6f3b5$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: > >> >"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >> >news:1171557849.413643.272690@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> >> On Feb 15, 7:22 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> >>> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> >>> > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> >>> > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> >>> > > > Free Lunch wrote: > >> >>> > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> >>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> >>> > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > >> >>> > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> > >> >>> > > > > >wrote: > >> >>> > snip > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have > >> >>> > > > > >consistently > >> >>> > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > He is lying for god - so it's Okay. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it > >> >>> > > exists. > >> >>> > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff. > >> >>> > >> >>> > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did > >> >>> > not > >> >>> > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You > >> >>> > called > >> >>> > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>> > >> >>> > - Show quoted text - > >> >>> > >> >>> You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist. If I ask you > >> >>> about Isaiah's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea, you reply > >> >>> with an inane question about fictional characters. So, the > >> >>> conversation is over. You are claiming that the Bible does not > >> >>> exist. > >> >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > >> >>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> > >> >> You are pathetic, Bobby. You've done violence to the English language > >> >> with your mendacity, and your only alternative now to propagate your > >> >> superstition is violence against the person. > >> >> Philosophers and freethinkers don't do violence, but it's second > >> >> nature with you Christians. > >> >> > >> > Religion IS Philosophy, and free thinkers allowed Hitler to sell His > >> >values to his nation and which caused the misery and death of untold > >> >millions. Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says > >> >he > >> >is a Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite > >> >from > >> >the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. "Pathetic" > >> >indeed!!!! See below > >> > >> You know that Hitler appealed to Christians and got them to support him. > >> You know that the slaveholders appealed to Christians and caused a > >> terrible war in the US. > > > > In The Deep South slave owners forced their slaves to go to church > > [separately] > > now they have their own chapels with mega dollar bank accounts. > > > > Not only did they enslave them physically, they enslaved them mentally > > too. > > > You forgot to finish your sentence again Bob!!!! What you wanted to say > is: ....enslave them mentally too, and I wouldn't have it any other way. For > once everybody has no beliefs anymore and is like me, I would have no place > to hide and be safe any longer!! Another oblique weak response laced with sarcasm and nastiness I win again it seems > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 18, 6:33�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 7:12 pm > rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 > >> 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to brighten > >> > your day. > > >> Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four people or > >> schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout several > >> centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a composition by many not the work > >> of one man. > > >> In addition there is nothing outside the bible to evidence that an > >> Isaiah really existed. ??He was made up much later by the proxy > >> priests appointed by Darius, who just happens to have been called the > >> messiah in the Old Testament (along with David, a donkey, two > >> pillars, a stone and a loaf of bread). > > >> -- > >> Later, > >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com > > > Sorry, Darrell, it was all written by the same person. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 2:35�pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2:15 pm, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "John Popelish" <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote in message > > >news:Za6dnScGA9ood0TYnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > > D...@V.A. wrote: > > > > "John Popelish" <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote in message > > > >news:2KednRE7E4QGR0TYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > >> D...@V.A. wrote: > > > >>> It seems to me that atheist who invade Religious Newsgroups > > > >>> with their challenges, insults and attacks on Christians and the > > > >>> Christian Religion are in reality expressing their great hope. > > > >>> IE _the hope that there is no God. > > > >> Dan, please apply that train of thought to religious > > > >> missionaries that go out into areas where their beliefs are > > > >> strange and mistrusted, essentially an attack of the > > > >> indigenous belief structure of the people that minister to. > > > >> Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 7:46�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 10:35 Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:15�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > >> Bill M wrote: > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >> > > >> > ... > > > > > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > >> > > >> his book. > > > > > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > >> > > moment. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 7:48�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 10:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 9:34�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> snip > > > > > > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > > > > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > > > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > > > >> >> > > away backward. > > > > > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> > LOL! > > > > > > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > > > > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > > > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > > > > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 19, 7:48�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 10:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 17, 9:34�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 17:49:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171763369.009719.61...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 7:18?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> On 17 Feb 2007 04:25:58 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > >> <1171715158.037133.217...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:>On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> snip > > > > > > > > >> >> > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > > > >> >> > > Isaiah 1:4 > > > > > > > > >> h sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of>> > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; 4hey have forsaken the Lord, > > > > > > >> >> > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone > > > > > > >> >> > > away backward. > > > > > > >> >> > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > > > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> >> > LOL! > > > > > > > > >> obby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a cross > > > > > > > > >> >> > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > > > > > >> >> It is strange isn't it? % really seems to believe that reading > > > > > > >> >> verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On 19 Feb 2007 18:58:41 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171940321.813908.299300@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 18, 6:33?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> >wrote: >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 7:12 pm >> rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 >> >> 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to brighten >> >> > your day. >> >> >> Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four people or >> >> schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout several >> >> centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a composition by many not the work >> >> of one man. >> >> >> In addition there is nothing outside the bible to evidence that an >> >> Isaiah really existed. ??He was made up much later by the proxy >> >> priests appointed by Darius, who just happens to have been called the >> >> messiah in the Old Testament (along with David, a donkey, two >> >> pillars, a stone and a loaf of bread). >> >> >> -- >> >> Later, >> >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com >> >> > Sorry, Darrell, it was all written by the same person. �he same >> > pattern exists in the language from the first verse to the last. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Ah, one who portends to understand the ancient languages of the bible. >> Great. �erhaps you can answer a few questions for me: >> >> How does one determine which might deceive the reader: >> >> vayosef af-adonai lakharot beyisrael vayaset et-david bahem lemor lekh >> mene et-yisrael veet-yehuda >> >> OR THIS >> >> vayaamod satan al-yisrael vayaset et-david limnot et-yisrael >> >> >> Can you explain what we should do: >> >> lo-taasu avel bamishpat lo-tisa fenei-dal velo tehdarpenei gadol >> betsedek tishpot amitekha >> >> OR THIS >> >> me krinete ina me krithete >> >> >> Which of these is the basis of Christian belief and which do you >> believe: >> >> hos de an blasphemese eis to pneuma to hagion ouk echei aphesin eis ton >> aiona all enochos estin aioniou kriseos >> >> OR THIS >> >> in hoc omnis qui credit iustificatur >> >> OR THIS >> >> horate toinun oti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon >> >> OR THIS >> >> te gar chariti este sesosmenoi dia tes pisteos kai touto ouk ex humon >> theou >> to doron ouk ex ergon hina me tis kauchesetai >> >> >> By the way, you are totally daft. �o biblical scholar of the last 150 >> years believed Isaiah to be the work of a single author during a singletimeperiod. nyone even casually aquainted with Hebrew can point out >> various gramatical structures and wording that derive from different >> centuries. >> >Well, I can point out the one that shows Isaiah wrote the entire >thing. No one else wrote the way Isaiah did. Pinhead college boys of >today have no clue. >Robert B. Winn > Thank you for pointing out how arrogant you are about your ignorance of Bible scholarship. How many years have you been reading Biblical Hebrew? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 6:25�am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On 18 Feb 2007 08:18:38 -0800, "rbwinn" > <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > >On Feb 18, 4:26?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> How can you be sure those are not the words of a translator who dealt with old parchments in aramaic about six hundred > >> years ago? > > >> You cling to those biblical writings like they were something concrete, whilst in fact they are highly questionable. > > >> Of course, it is all you have to confirm your beliefs so I suppose it is understandable. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 8:16�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 19, 8:26 am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In alt.atheism On 18 Feb 2007 16:12:24 -0800, "rbwinn" > > <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > > >On Feb 18, 12:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > > >wrote: > > >> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 10:59 > > >> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > >> > I feel better already. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 10:14�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:02 am > rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 10:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> Michael Gray wrote: > >> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec > >> > <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >> > ?? - Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b...@mid.individual.net> > >> > >After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 > >> > >10:53 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> > >> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of > >> > >> monkeys, you claim that he was telling a "yarn"? > >> > >> Robert B. Winn > > >> > >I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. ??Perhaps you might tells us > >> > >what the phantom bible you got that from says? > > >> > The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children. > > >> Or the other one > > >> "How to brainwash your children into following The Father" > > >> We jest, but the truth is these things happen > >> and it should be declared a criminal offence > > > So if the government could be persuaded into burning all Bibles, there > > could be world peace? > > Robert B. Winn > > That would be an exercise in futility. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 10:16�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:01 am > rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 10:17?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> Darrell Stec wrote: > >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 > >> > 11:20 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> > > Well, yes it does. ??Jesus Christ said that he was the son of > >> > > God. > > >> > Where? > > >> They make it up as they go along, they have nothing else > > > So why do they have nothing else? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 2:47�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1171883584.171136.280960@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 10:35?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 3:57?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 16, 2:19?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb > > > > > > 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > > > > > Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a > > > > > > > > seed of > > > > > > > > evildoers, children that are corrupters; they have forsaken > > > > > > > > the Lord, > > > > > > > > they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > away backward. > > > > > > > > Let's see how long you can last, atheist. > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > LOL! Bobby thinks he's causing great discomfort like holding a > > > > > > > cross > > > > > > > up to the face of a vampire.- > > > > > > > It is strange isn't it? He really seems to believe that reading > > > > > > verses from Isaiah will scare atheists. It is hard to accept that > > > > > > somebody can be so incredibly silly. > > > > > > Well, it is a win-win situation. If an atheist runs away like james > > > > > g. keegan did, then you do not have to talk to him again. If an > > > > > atheist sticks around, then he cannot pretend that he has never had > > > > > anything intelligent said to him. He has read a few verses from the > > > > > book of Isaiah. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Have told u before. U can have every atheist disappear in a puff of > > > > smoke, just make your god appear, or even prove > > > > it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > I like doing it one at atimeby quoting a few scriptures from Isaiah. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > You worship failure as well then ? > > > Ever asked yourself this question "Why would an all powerful god that > > created everything including this planet need to > > rely on simple humans to write his book, and one only book, with nothing > > else and god then departs for more than two > > thousand years and never returns["? > > > I suppose that is too logical for you and in any case you were warned > > about such questions from nasty doubters with > > horns and pointed tails when you were six and a half right? > > > There's a real world out there; go enjoy it while you can > > > [ What a Nerd]- Hide quoted text - > > Well, Bob, you do not seem to know much about religion. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 2:49�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1171882240.560918.302160@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 10:07?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 10:36?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 17, 12:59?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln > > > > > > > >> > >said on > > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton > > > > > > > >> did in > > > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >> Apparently, your simplistic mind would believe anyone who says he is a > >> Christian, even if he did, as well as advocate doing the opposite > >> from the principles Christ stands for to His death on the cross. > >> "Pathetic" indeed!!!! > > > > You mean guys like Pat Robertson? Those kind of people who call > > themselves Christians, and then advocate murdering leaders of countries > > or Supreme Court justices? > > Or how about Ted Haggard? Those kind of people who call themselves > > Christians, condemn homosexuality as a sin, and then spend their > > church's money on male hookers and crystal meth? > > And ask your self this: how many atheists have given those douchebags > > their money to pay for their million dollar homes and private jets? > > "Pathetic indeed!!!!" doesn't begin to describe you and your ilk... > > > Do any of those follow Christ and His commandments, or even the doctrine > of their own church? Sure they do. It's THEIR FUCKING CHURCHES, you moron. The "doctrine" is whatever they say it is, just as it is in every church on the planet. Just ask Jim Jones, David Koresh, or Marshall Applewhite... > Those who profess Christ, yet justify doing the opposite from what Christ > preached are Satan's minions, not follower of Christ. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are all sick of your constant bagpipe music, Frank. > Perhaps you would like us to paint you with the same brush befitting the > likes of famous / infamous atheists, who created a blood bath in so many > countries. See below You mean like that staunch Catholic, Adolph Hitler? And before you fire up your bagpipes yet again, let's review a few of Hitler's own words, shall we? "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator; by defending myself against the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord." -- Adolph Hitler "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." -- Adolph Hitler Hitler, Robertson, Haggard, Jones, Koresh, Applewhite. THESE are the faces of Christianity, Frank. This is what Christians do, and the unbearable screeches coming from your chanters and drones cannot drown that out... Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1htqhxh.18bgdpfzkc43tN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... > > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >> > >> Is "reality" the god you worship? Reality worshippers are stoic > >> fatalists, ready to accept whatever reality dishes out. Only God's people > >> are willing to make an effort to live up to ideals, in the hope of > >> improving > >> upon reality. > > > > Is "UNreality" the god you worship? Unreality worshippers are willful > > delusionists, ready to accept whatever their clery dishes out. Only > > realists are willing to make an effort to understand the world in which > > we live, in the hope of improving upon that reality. > > > What is "UNreality"? You seem clueless as to the values Christ > represents. "clerics" indeed!!! See below Below is "UNreality"--you of all people ought to know that, because you choose to worship a fictional character. > > Pastor Frank > > Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one > another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. > Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, > if ye have love one to another. > Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another, > as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down > his life for his friends. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 2:54�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1171883827.962661.184260@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 On Feb 19, 4:33�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 19 Feb 2007 02:50:40 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171882240.560918.302...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 18, 10:07?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 17, 10:36?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > On Feb 17, 12:59?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > > > > >> > ... > > >> > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > >> > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > >> > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > >> > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > >> > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > >> > > > > > >> his book. > > >> > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > >> > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007 12:44 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote: > On Feb 19, 10:14?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:02 >> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 18, 10:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> Michael Gray wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:33:04 -0500, Darrell Stec >> >> > <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >> >> > ?? - Refer: <53rnsvF1u88b...@mid.individual.net> >> >> > >After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February >> >> > >2007 10:53 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> > >> So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of >> >> > >> monkeys, you claim that he was telling a "yarn"? >> >> > >> Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > >I'm unfamiliar with that scripture. ??Perhaps you might tells >> >> > >us what the phantom bible you got that from says? >> >> >> > The Ladybird Illustrated Book of Bible stories for Children. >> >> >> Or the other one >> >> >> "How to brainwash your children into following The Father" >> >> >> We jest, but the truth is these things happen >> >> and it should be declared a criminal offence >> >> > So if the government could be persuaded into burning all Bibles, >> > there could be world peace? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> That would be an exercise in futility. ??First (and there is >> historical precedence for it) not all bibles would be burned. ??Some >> would be squirreled away (that's why we know about early Christians >> like the Marcionites, Ebonites, Arianims, and others like the >> Gnostics. >> >> Secondly some nuts would come along and invent some new stories for a >> bible (for instance the one that was later translated as the KJV). >> ??And in case you haven't noticed, it has been Christianity that >> burned books throughout history. ??Thinking people are not afraid of >> ideas. ??If those ideas are wrong then that will be exposed. >> ??Christians burn the books in order to keep the ideas from being >> expressed and examined. >> >> -- >> Later, >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com > So the best you can do is pretend that you cannot understand what the > Bible says. > Robert B. Winn Not only can I understand it, I can and have read the Hebrew versions, the Greek versions and even Jerome's Latin Vulgate. I had a formal education in the classic languages and theology. How about you? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007 12:45 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote: > On Feb 19, 10:16?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 19 February 2007 6:01 >> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 18, 10:17?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> Darrell Stec wrote: >> >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 >> >> > 11:20 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: >> >> >> > > Well, yes it does. ??Jesus Christ said that he was the son of >> >> > > God. >> >> >> > Where? >> >> >> They make it up as they go along, they have nothing else >> >> > So why do they have nothing else? ??Don't they have the trees and >> > sky and the mountains, etc.? ??Or did all of these things belong to >> > environmentalists back then like they do today? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Yours is a totally irrational reply. ??It has nothing to do with the >> topic. ??Now try answering the question. ??Where does Joshua the >> oiled one say he is the son of god? >> >> -- >> Later, >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo > If you want to advertise that you have never read the Bible, Darrell, > go right ahead. > Robert B. Winn Quite the opposite Bobbie. Not only have I read the Bible many, many times and own quite a few English versions, I've read the originals. It is obvious that you have not. You avoided my few questions like the plague. But I understand =-- you can only parrot a few memorized passages from the worst English translation every created. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote
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