Guest rbwinn Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Feb 16, 2:19�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > snip > > > > > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > Isaiah 1:4 Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Feb 16, 6:53�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > ... > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Feb 16, 6:56?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 16 Feb 2007 16:51:38 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171673498.005537.154...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 5:48?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> >> > > ?Not even just one? > > >> >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> >> > > would make itself known. > > >> >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > >> >All things that exist show that there is a God. > > >> So you assert without any kind of support at all. > > >> >So why is it that you > >> >do not want to read the Bible? > > >> I've read it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >What did you think of the book of Isaiah? > > Not much. I do know that many Christians insist that there are many > claims about Jesus in Isaiah, even though the clear text tells us no > such thing. Isaiah was not a prophecy of Jesus and there is no evidence > that it was. > > The saddest part is that these people who are obsessed with the supposed > prophecies of Isaiah refuse to admit that the most important piece, the > name of the supposed Messiah, was wrong. Why should I argue with people > who lie to themselves?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You should not argue with anyone. The reason why you do is because you have a spirit of contention. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Feb 16, 7:10�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 16 Feb 2007 17:53:22 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171677202.265303.67...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> snip > > >> > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you > >> > might have seen it a little differently. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:35:13 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> wrote: >Yes, nevertheless, the practice of polygamy places these Mormon >offshoots outside the Christian fold. Marriage itself does. Paul allows for it, but says that good Christians should be celibate. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:42:49 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> wrote: >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message >news:dpspt2psl16pe3u967lm8clsfauv951lvf@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:25:22 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> > Even where there is no belief >> >system or nothing nothing in common with the majority of >> >Christians. >> They follow Jesus - that, and the fact that they claim to be Christian >> makes them Christian. You certainly aren't the one appointed to >> decide who's Christian and who isn't. >You are right, all I can say is that pologamy places them outside >the Triditional Christian fold. If by "traditional" you mean "what Jesus, Paul and the Bible authors said" (as opposed to what American Christians actually practice), so does lying, cheating on your taxes, marriage, eating meat and milk together, wearing clothing of mixed fabric, crop rotation and a few hundred other things that are considered normal. >Again this is about LDS offshoots. Which, by judging others, prove to be less Christian than those they judge. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:49:45 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message >news:8mtpt2po57hlr9udcaoh7sdugsdsu3885r@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:42:10 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >> >You don't know what you are talking about. An analogy is water. >> >It can be liquid, gas or solid. But it still one. Same with the Christian >> >concept of their God. >> >> The same water can't exist in all 3 states at the same time - the >> Christian god is supposed to. >> >A melting glacier is ice with water running off and water vapors >escaping into the atmosphere. This I've seen. But you haven't seen THE SAME water being in all 3 phases at the same time. Some of it is ice, some liquid water and some vapor. The analogy is, at best, very flawed. >> And the independent objective evidence that the Christian Bible is >> correct is??? >Whether it is or not, is another issue. But the two scripture differ >on the birthplace of the two Christs. Meaning nothing. They can both be wrong. Either one can be correct. They can both be correct. (Are you limiting an omnipotent god?) >> >> Fortunately for you, if all you cults and sects and denominations >> >> weren't arguing with us beloved atheists, you'd be burning each other >> >> at the stake. >> >This is BS. How can you be so asinine? >> He can read history. Christians have been killing Christians for >> 2,000 years. >You live in the past, I live in the present. In the present Christianity is arguing with outsiders. If, in the present, there were no outsiders to argue with, history shows us that Christians would be arguing with each other. > I look around, I do not >see Methodist, Baptist Lutherans, Presbyterians or Catholics killing >each other. You don't look around at a world in which they have no outsiders to kill. Or have you forgotten the history of the past 100 years? Quote
Guest Darrell Stec Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 7:30 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote: > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> >> rbwinn wrote: >> > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb >> > > > 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> snip >> >> > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ??In what way do you acknowedge >> > > > > that the Bible exists? ??Bob has a list that he keeps >> > > > > posting. ??Does the Bible exist the same way something on >> > > > > Bob's list exists? >> >> > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. >> > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? >> > > ??Bob has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the >> > > world. ??Does the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's >> > > list or is the Bible tangible? >> >> > You must be some kind of fool. >> >> Apparently he is insane. ??We are not going to get a rational >> response out of him; it is just not in him. >> > Well, like all atheists, these are not willing to commit to anything. > If they admit the Bible exists, they have to account for its > existence, which they cannot do. Like all fundies Robert B. Winn is not willing to commet to anything. If they admit The Lord of the Rings exists, he has to account for its existence, which he cannot do. > Robert B. Winn -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 22 Feb 2007 04:37:23 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172147843.183966.191440@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 16, 6:53?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> ... >> >> >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently >> >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist. >> >> >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >You atheists all play the same game. f you want to claim the Bible >> >does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> Once again you lie. >> >> You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does not >> exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot be honest and >> admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of anything. It is just >> one of many religious texts that is held in high regard by one religion >> or another. There is no evidence that the Bible is any more true than >> the Q'ran or any other religious text. >> >> We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false claim that >> there is something special about it. >> > >There is something special about it. Please, be clear and accurate about what is special and then provide evidence to support your contention. >You cannot prove it does not exist. I know the Bible exists, you fool. The question is what value it has. >Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 22 Feb 2007 04:30:43 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172147442.913652.304350@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: >> > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> snip >> >> > > > > Well, let's get right to it. n what way do you acknowedge that the >> > > > > Bible exists? ob has a list that he keeps posting. �oes the Bible >> > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? >> >> > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. >> > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ob >> > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. �oes >> > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the >> > > Bible tangible? >> >> > You must be some kind of fool. >> >> Apparently he is insane. �e are not going to get a rational response >> out of him; it is just not in him. >> >Well, like all atheists, these are not willing to commit to anything. >If they admit the Bible exists, they have to account for its >existence, which they cannot do. What a lie. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:08:23 GMT, in alt.atheism "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in <rYdDh.5149$tD2.1571@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>: >"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:8vnpt2dbg15v1o4t4gi1od6t5c2d1r8el6@4ax.com... > >> There is no evidence for God or Satan or any other gods of Christianity >> or any other religions. > >I respect this as a tenet of your belief that you religiously adhere to and >evangelistically proclaim. The following claim is false: >"Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God." > http://patriot.net/~bmcgin/atheismisareligion.txt > Atheism is not a religion. It is a lack of belief in gods, nothing else. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 21 Feb 2007 21:18:45 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172121525.748486.246230@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 21, 9:39?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 21 Feb 2007 19:46:34 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1172115994.713772.83...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 21, 5:40?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 21 Feb 2007 16:10:30 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1172103030.774994.92...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Feb 21, 6:06 am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 20, 11:21 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On 20 Feb 2007 20:04:21 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> >> > <1172030661.281379.130...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> > >On Feb 20, 10:13?am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> > >> On Feb 19, 10:10 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> > Well, I am probably less impressed by lawyers than Brigham Young was. >> >> >> >> > >> Judging by his many lawsuits and his comments about the lawyers >> >> >> > >> afterwards, he hated them. /u can read the particulars in an article >> >> >> > >> by Orma Linford, "The Mormons, the Law, and the Territory of Utah," >> >> >> > >> and in many of Young's writings. >> >> >> >> > >> If it is any consolation to you I'm sure the Mormons had reason to >> >> >> > >> distrust law and lawyers from their many bad experiences in Missouri >> >> >> > >> and Illinois. >> >> >> >> > >> > Since you know so much about law, perhaps you could tell us your >> >> >> > >> > interpretation of the sixth amendment to the Constitution of the >> >> >> > >> > United States. >> >> >> >> > >> A conscientious writer could spend a year writing about the 6th >> >> >> > >> Amendment, it is so rich with caselaw and judicial gloss. >> >> >> > >oreover, >> >> >> > >> because of the 19th century's 14th Amendment, the 6th Amendment is now >> >> >> > >> applied to the states and their subdivisions, including Utah and SLC. >> >> >> >> > >> Legal issues: >> >> >> > >> pretrial rights >> >> >> > >> venue >> >> >> > >> in gremio legis >> >> >> > >> speedy trial >> >> >> > >> open proceedings, no closed courtrooms, no secret trials >> >> >> > >> impartial jury of peers >> >> >> > >> jurisdiction >> >> >> > >> no ex post facto >> >> >> > >> notice of charges in full particulars of facts and law so that accused >> >> >> > >> may prepare his defense >> >> >> > >> opportunity to be heard >> >> >> > >> confrontation with witnesses, no trial in absentia >> >> >> > >> subpoena power to compel attendance of witness and to bring documents >> >> >> > >> and things >> >> >> > >> (subpoena ad testificandum, subpoena duces tecum) >> >> >> > >> right to attorney >> >> >> >> > >> What part of it piques your curiosity? 2 is it the whole damn thing? >> >> >> >> > >> AMENDMENT VI. >> >> >> > >> Right to speedy trial, witnesses, etc. >> >> >> > >> In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a >> >> >> > >> speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and >> >> >> > >> district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district >> >> >> > >> shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of >> >> >> > >> the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the >> >> >> > >> witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining >> >> >> > >> witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his >> >> >> > >> defence. >> >> >> >> > >> Now, Robbie, don't be sending me off another one of those wild goose >> >> >> > >> chases. >> >> >> > >> We're talking about whether there is a god, and btw the brains who >> >> >> > >> drafted the 6th did not believe in a god, at least not in an >> >> >> > >> intervenor who paid any attention to the affairs of humanity. >> >> >> >> > >The part that says in all criminal prosecutions, the accused has a >> >> >> > >right to trial by jury. !wyers claim this means that in most >> >> >> > >criminal prosecutions, the accused has no such right. >> >> >> > >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> > Could you show me where the Supreme Court said that you don't have the >> >> >> > right to a trial by jury in criminal prosecutions?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> I don't know that the Supreme Court has addressed the issue lately. >> >> >> In my state of North Carolina the right is preserved by de novo appeal >> >> >> to a jury from an adverse decision by a judge. . which case if you >> >> >> are convicted the judge will punish you by a sentence much harsher >> >> >> than that of the court below. .ote that in Tennessee if you appeal >> >> >> from a guilty verdict by a judge, in a court where the officer can >> >> >> testify to hearsay and summarize the testimony of all the other >> >> >> witnesses while you object until you are red in the face, you are >> >> >> required to pay a filing fee up front. (at, imho, is >> >> >> unconstitutional, a violation of the 6th Amendment. (ave read that >> >> >> in other states, like Nevada, the accused is subverted by various >> >> >> devices from asserting his 6th Amendment right to jury trial. >> >> >> >> I do know that in many appellate court decisions nowadays, where the >> >> >> courts have been packed with rightwing ideologs, doubleplusthink, >> >> >> doublespeak, and Ingsoc have crept into the decisions. >> >> >> >This all dates back to a minority opinion written by Thurgood Marshall >> >> >that the sixth amendment did not really guarantee right to trial by >> >> >jury. >> >> >After that, state courts began denying right to trial by jury until we >> >> >have reached the present condition where very few people are actually >> >> >given an opportunity to have a trial by jury. >> >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Excuse me if I don't accept your claim without any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Do whatever you want to do. United States citizen cannot go into >> >court and ask for a trial by jury and get it the way the Constitution >> >guarantees. �he reason for that is that lawyers have set themselves >> >up as an elite class who decide what rights the rest of us have. >> >There are some of us non-lawyers who say that lawyers cannot take away >> >our rights even if they deny them. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> So you assert. I have no reason to accept your claim. None. >> >> I would guess that your lawyer told you that you would be an idiot to >> ask for a jury trial, but that's a separate question.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >I have never appeared in court with a lawyer. I always speak for >myself. I always request trial by jury and then appeal the case on >the grounds that I was denied trial by jury. None of this makes sense here, so I would recommend that you actually hire an attorney next time you are going to court instead of relying on yourself. There is a very appropriate aphorism for this (said in various ways): "He who represents himself has a fool for a client." Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:49:45 -0500, in alt.atheism "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> wrote in <Bh9Dh.38628$19.29310@bignews3.bellsouth.net>: > >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message >news:8mtpt2po57hlr9udcaoh7sdugsdsu3885r@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:42:10 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >> >You don't know what you are talking about. An analogy is water. >> >It can be liquid, gas or solid. But it still one. Same with the Christian >> >concept of their God. >> >> The same water can't exist in all 3 states at the same time - the >> Christian god is supposed to. >> >A melting glacier is ice with water running off and water vapors >escaping into the atmosphere. This I've seen. >> >> >The Mormon Christ was born in Jerusalem, the Christian God was >> >born in Bethlehem. >> >> Which didn't exist until LONG after Jesus died. It was a cemetery >> when he was supposedly born, and no Jews would live in, or next to, a >> cemetery. >> >> >> > Two diffeent cities, according the two Bibles >> >ie the Christian Bible and the Mormon Bible (the Book of Mormon) >> >> And the independent objective evidence that the Christian Bible is >> correct is??? >> >Whether it is or not, is another issue. But the two scripture differ >on the birthplace of the two Christs. >> >> >> Fortunately for you, if all you cults and sects and denominations >> >> weren't arguing with us beloved atheists, you'd be burning each other >> >> at the stake. >> >> >This is BS. How can you be so asinine? >> >> He can read history. Christians have been killing Christians for >> 2,000 years. >> >You live in the past, I live in the present. I look around, I do not >see Methodist, Baptist Lutherans, Presbyterians or Catholics killing >each other. > >Dr. Wood, DDS > Not today, not publicly. Why, I'm sure it's been weeks since the good Christians in the KKK have murdered anyone. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:49:13 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >Not today, not publicly. Why, I'm sure it's been weeks since the good >Christians in the KKK have murdered anyone. Or at least a few days since any of our good Christian soldiers, led by our good Protestant president, killed any murderous Moslem women or children. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:49�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 16, 10:10�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > Free Lunch wrote: > > > > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > ... > > > > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:52�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > >> > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > >> > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > > >> > > thousands..... > > > > > > >> > > Bob > > > > > >> > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you > > > > > >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?rselstegn - > > > > > > >> Well, of course, you are welcome to present evidence that your > > > > > >> religious beliefs are true. ?Until then, there is no reason to believe > > > > > >> you. > > > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > You atheists all play the same game. ?If you want to claim the Bible > > > > does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Well Christian 'Nut cases' sure do- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah to cheer you up, Bob. > > Isaiah 1:25 Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:56�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 17, 7:17�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > ... > > > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> > You atheists all play the same game. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 17, 10:59�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 16, 10:23?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 16, 4:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 16 Feb., 02:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 6:59?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:44, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes > > > > > > > > > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > > > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > > > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > > > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > > > > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ? > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does > > > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > > > > > > > > Bible tangible? > > > > > > > > Maybe the question is too difficult for you. > > > > > > > > More likely, you have received enough atheistic education to see the > > > > > > > > difficulty that the Bible presents for atheism, so you continue to say > > > > > > > > that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > > > You say you have six Bibles. ?What is that supposed to mean? ?Do you > > > > > > > > have six books that can be read, or do you have six imaginary books? > > > > > > > > That's better boobie, more like your babbling self. ?I knew you could > > > > > > > do it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Well, let's study Isaiah some more, then. > > > > > > Isaiah 1:3 ?The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; > > > > > > but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. > > > > > > The last atheist I did this with was james e. keegan. ?He only lasted > > > > > > a couple of chapters. > > > > > > Got bored did he? ?I find it hilarious.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Here is one you will really find funny. > > > > Isaiah 1:17 ?Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your > > > > doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > They had good cause to say such things back then > > > > Imagine waking up tommorow with - - - ?no legal deeds on your home, no law enforcement - no LAWS. > > > > No protection angainst 'anyone' with bad intentions; especially if they were in a group larger than yours. > > > > Oh yes; the fear of imaginary gods was - well - ?'all they had back then'. > > > > It really became 'instinctive' as a result. ?Nature [evolution] has a habit of doing that - just look around you...... > > > > [No.......... on second thoughts..........that would be too much to ask]- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, that would not be as bad as having people like you claiming they > > were enforcing laws. > > Robert B. Winn > > I am not an enforcer - we humans leave that to the proper authorities. > > you missed my point of course, or you dodged it. > > I would hate to be a religionist trying to prop up my myth. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 22 Feb 2007 18:59:24 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172199564.308129.115100@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 17, 10:49?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Feb 16, 10:10?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> > > Free Lunch wrote: >> > > > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> > > > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> > > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism >> > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> > > > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > > > ... >> >> > > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently >> > > > >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist. >> >> > > > >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > >You atheists all play the same game. f you want to claim the Bible >> > > > >does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist. >> > > > >Robert B. Winn >> >> > > > Once again you lie. >> >> > > > You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does not >> > > > exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot be honest and >> > > > admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of anything. It is just >> > > > one of many religious texts that is held in high regard by one religion >> > > > or another. There is no evidence that the Bible is any more true than >> > > > the Q'ran or any other religious text. >> >> > > > We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false claim that >> > > > there is something special about it. >> >> > > > Stop your lies. >> >> > > It's a 'backs to the wall' reaction - pure and simple- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > I want to be watching when you try to run your game on Jesus Christ. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Lunacy laced with arrogance and vindictiveness. >> >> ...........and YOU wonder why there are atheists- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, I don't wonder why there are atheists. Satan has never had >trouble on this earth finding people to speak for him. Satan is a god of Christianity. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 18, 4:26�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 16, 5:52�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you > > > > might have seen it a little differently. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> Bill M wrote: > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > >> > ... > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > >> > > >> his book. > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > >> > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 18, 9:05�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2007 08:00:59 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171814459.115538.174...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 11:02?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 17, 12:23?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> > > On 17 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 16, 2:05?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> > > > > On 16 Feb., 04:57, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> > > > > snip > > >> > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > >> > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > >> > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > >> > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > >> > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?Bob > >> > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does > >> > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > >> > > > > > > Bible tangible? > > >> > > > > > You must be some kind of fool. > > >> > > > > Apparently he is insane. ?We are not going to get a rational response > >> > > > > out of him; it is just not in him. > > >> > > > > snip > > >> > > > Well, the poor little atheists do not want to answer questions about > >> > > > their beliefs. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 18, 10:09�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > Bill M wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 19, 8:18�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 20, 8:03�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > jl wrote: > > On Feb 20, 12:41 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > Well, here is a scripture from Isaiah. Quote
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