Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 11, 9:57�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 8:58�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Bill M wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > actually > > > > > exist. > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > more than that? > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > Robert B. Winn > > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > just that - myths and fables! > > Yup - He rose again and ascended to heaven to sit by god the Father....... > whatever........ > > [Heaven back then was just above the clouds where we now fly commercial > aircraft !] > > Yet humans in the year 2007 still swallow this silly nonsense. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb 2007 20:11:40 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171339900.469048.35050@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 8:55?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >> > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> >> > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God >> > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods >> > > > > > actually >> > > > > > exist. >> >> > > > > What do you call resurrection? >> >> > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is >> > > > more than that? >> >> > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... >> >> > > > > The Anthropic Principle >> >> > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! >> >> > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are >> > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. You cannot change history by >> > saying it did not happen. >> > Robert B. Winn.... >> >> ...and you cannot, or refuse, to face facts. >> >> Who has the brains and inteligence ? �ou or Bill M ?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >I have enough intelligence to discern between truth and fiction. >Jesus Christ is truth, your stories are fiction. You make that claim without a shred of evidence. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:30�pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:30�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Donna wrote: > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > exist. > > Proof of God and Her Son will occur in the year 2009, in the > month of March. > > You have been warned so be prepared. > > DEM [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's'] Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:53�am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:13�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Donna wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1171308436.546205.137980@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 12, 9:53?am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > > > > exist. > > > > Proof of God and Her Son will occur in the year 2009, in the > > month of March. > > > > You have been warned so be prepared. > > > > DEM > > The day and the hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven, but > my Father only. > Robert B. Winn > > True, Mr. Winn, and my Father told me. Make a note of the month > and year on a post-it and put it on a place where it won't get lost. > March 17, 2009. > > DEM See Robert - how lunatic thinking effects some religionists. You cannot blame a god - you can only blame humans. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb 2007 20:29:29 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171340969.769167.274450@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> > > > > would make itself known. >> >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >> >> > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. �o you have >> > anything to support your strange belief? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Of course it exists, >> so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading >it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read >it? You still retain your totally dishonest approach, I see. You have dishonestly chosen to ignore that the Bible is not evidence even though everyone acknowledges that it exists. Now an honest Christian would merely state that this is what they _believe_ but would never stoop to bearing false witness about what the Bible is or how it should be used. Why have you chosen to bear this false witness? Don't bother to offer to send me a Bible. I own half a dozen translations and some commentaries. I know what the Bible says. I don't see any evidence from your postings that you do. It appears that you worship your claims about the Bible and don't care what it really says. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb 2007 20:18:06 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171340286.558817.256840@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 8:58?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> Bill M wrote: >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >> > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> >> > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God >> > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods >> > > > > actually >> > > > > exist. >> >> > > > What do you call resurrection? >> >> > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is >> > > more than that? >> >> > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... >> >> > > > The Anthropic Principle >> >> > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! >> >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are >> > just that - myths and fables! >> >> Yup - He rose again and ascended to heaven to sit by god the Father....... >> whatever........ >> >> [Heaven back then was just above the clouds where we now fly commercial >> aircraft !] >> >> Yet humans in the year 2007 still swallow this silly nonsense. �hy? >> Because another human [very often their mother] told them to. >> >> Who wants to call their parents liars and deceivers?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, the problem with your version is that it is just not >believable. According to you all a person has to do to succeed is to >find fault with Jesus Christ. Satan can do just as well, and he is >nothing but an evil spirit. So, you need to make your understanding of the Bible square with reality. If you start making claims that are demonstrably false, you not only make a fool of yourself, but you bring Christianity into disrepute. -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:13�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > > > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:14�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:05:06 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171339506.590917.210...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 12, 6:08?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:1171293511.193526.126780@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > >> On Feb 11, 9:57?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> > "Semper Libr" wrote: > >> > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >> > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > >> > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > >> > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > >> > > > actually > >> > > > exist. > >> >Well, suppose there had been some priests like the ones in your > >> >fictional account? Quote
Guest Olrik Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 11:40 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > ?ot even just one? > > > >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > >> > > > > would make itself known. > > > >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > >> > We were discussing the Bible. ?hy did you want to change the > > >> > subject? ?ow the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > >> > his only Begotten Son. > > >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > >> an extra drop of wine as well. > > > >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly > > >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > >> thousands..... > > > >> Bob > > >> Humanist Brit. > > > >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you > > >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged > > ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees > > with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your > > personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you > > do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no > > one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, the offer I made seems fair to me. What is your objection? If > you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you would be able to talk > your way through anything. The thing is, though, Jesus Christ is the > one you would have to convince. According to the scripture, <piggybacking> You made a mistake right there at "According to the scripture". Like the vast majority of the people on earth, we don't believe in your "scripture". What's in it only apply to the faithful (and then, even they pick & chose what they want...) > The > Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. > That is what puzzles me about atheists. They claim to have the truth, > a better way, superior knowledge, etc., and then all they do is > criticize Jesus Christ. If atheists had anything worth having, why > wouldn't they just go live happy lives and never talk about religion > again? We have to, because of people like you. Olrik > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb 2007 20:40:23 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171341623.826834.79510@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > > > /t even just one? >> >> >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> >> > > > > would make itself known. >> >> >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. >> >> >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers >> >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? >> >> >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: >> >> >> > We were discussing the Bible. (y did you want to change the >> >> > subject? /w the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent >> >> > his only Begotten Son. >> >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. >> >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were >> >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were >> >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. >> >> >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, >> >> an extra drop of wine as well. >> >> >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly >> >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of >> >> thousands..... >> >> >> Bob >> >> Humanist Brit. >> >> >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified >> >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, >> >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." >> >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] >> >> >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the >> >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. >> >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. �hy don't you >> >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >> >> Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged >> ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees >> with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your >> personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you >> do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no >> one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, the offer I made seems fair to me. What is your objection? It's your completely dishonest way to duck the question. You make claims, most of which cannot be supported by any evidence, others that are known to be false, and you refuse to admit that you have no evidence. Instead, you try to talk about a religious belief that you have, but others do not since you are posting to alt.atheism. >If >you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you would be able to talk >your way through anything. The thing is, though, Jesus Christ is the >one you would have to convince. There is no evidence at all that Jesus Christ exists or will ever judge anything. You know that. >According to the scripture, The >Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. >That is what puzzles me about atheists. They claim to have the truth, >a better way, superior knowledge, etc., and then all they do is >criticize Jesus Christ. If atheists had anything worth having, why >wouldn't they just go live happy lives and never talk about religion >again? Because we have to put up with smug, self-righteous liars like you who post to alt.atheism and tell your lies here. If you kept your lies in Christian newsgroups, I wouldn't be responding to you. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 6:08�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1171293511.193526.126780@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 11, 9:57?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > "Semper Libr" wrote: > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > actually > > > > > exist. > > >Well, suppose there had been some priests like the ones in your > > >fictional account? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb 2007 20:44:44 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171341884.120146.189010@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:14?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:05:06 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171339506.590917.210...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >On Feb 12, 6:08?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: .... >> >> The Christ tale is obviously not factual but pure myth and legend. >> >> >> The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the >> >> contrary; that man created Gods! >> >> >Well, what I think you should do is explain your idea to Jesus Christ >> >when he returns to judge the earth. >> >> You missed the punchline of the story while you spent so much time >> congratulating yourself that you were not like others. > >Well, why don't you just go ahead and tell me what the punchline of >the story was? Let me tell you again, even though we all know you are lying when you claim not to have seen it: "The Christ tale is obviously not factual but pure myth and legend." That is what Bill wrote, that is what you dishonestly ignored. Why do you think that any god would want you telling lies on his behalf? Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 8:55�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > > > more than that? > > > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:13�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Piedmont wrote: > Text copied from: http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of software > titled: "Ocean" > > PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD > > One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the fact > that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is another > than himself. Not proof > > > It is certain and indisputable that the creator of man is not like man > because a powerless creature cannot create another being. The maker, the > creator, has to possess all perfections in order that he may create. > > Can the creation be perfect and the creator imperfect? Can a picture be a > masterpiece and the painter imperfect in his art? For it is his art and his > creation. Moreover, the picture cannot be like the painter; otherwise, the > painting would have created itself. However perfect the picture may be, in > comparison with the painter it is in the utmost degree of imperfection. > > The contingent world is the source of imperfections: God is the origin of > perfections. The imperfections of the contingent world are in themselves a > proof of the perfections of God. > > For example, when you look at man, you see that he is weak. This very > weakness of the creature is a proof of the power of the Eternal Almighty > One, because, if there were no power, weakness could not be imagined. Then > the weakness of the creature is a proof of the power of God; for if there > were no power, there could be no weakness; so from this weakness it becomes > evident that there is power in the world. Again, in the contingent world > there is poverty; then necessarily wealth exists, since poverty is 6 > apparent in the world. In the contingent world there is ignorance; > necessarily knowledge exists, because ignorance is found; for if there were > no knowledge, neither would there be ignorance. Ignorance is the > nonexistence of knowledge, and if there were no existence, nonexistence > could not be realized. > > It is certain that the whole contingent world is subjected to a law and rule > which it can never disobey; even man is forced to submit to death, to sleep > and to other conditions -- that is to say, man in certain particulars is > governed, and necessarily this state of being governed implies the existence > of a governor. Because a characteristic of contingent beings is dependency, > and this dependency is an essential necessity, therefore, there must be an > independent being whose independence is essential. > > In the same way it is understood from the man who is sick that there must be > one who is in health; for if there were no health, his sickness could not be > proved. > > Therefore, it becomes evident that there is an Eternal Almighty One, Who is > the possessor of all perfections, because unless He possessed all > perfections He would be like His creation. > > Throughout the world of existence it is the same; the smallest created thing > proves that there is a creator. For instance, this piece of bread proves > that it has a maker. > > Praise be to God! the least change produced in the form of the smallest > thing proves the existence of a creator: then can this great universe, which > is endless, be self-created and come into existence from the action of > matter and the elements? How self-evidently wrong is such a supposition! > > These obvious arguments are adduced for weak souls; but if the inner > perception be open, a hundred thousand clear proofs become visible. Thus, > when man feels the indwelling spirit, he is in no need of arguments for its > existence; but for those who are deprived of the bounty of the spirit, it is > necessary to establish external arguments. > > (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 4) > > See Also, http://www.bahai.org > > Warmest Regards, > > Michael (Piedmont) > > "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > exist. > > > > > > > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective verifiable > > evidence that no Gods actually exist. > > > > > > > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 BILLION LIGHT > > YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at 186,000 MILES > PER > > SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our > > World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe. > > > > > > > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old. > > Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for approximately > > 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of > > mankind believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets > revolved > > around the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to > the > > edge of the earth, and might fall off, during his trip that discovered the > > new continent. > > > > > > > > By the 16 Th. century, scientists like Galileo, determined that the Earth, > > Stars and Planets of our solar system revolved around the Sun. This spread > > through the scientific community and the majority accepted this reality by > > the 1800's. We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an > > inconsequential speck of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is > > scientific opinion that thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar > > to Earth, exist in this huge Universe. > > > > > > > > Man is but grains of sand on this large Earth and less than dust in this > > vast Universe. The 6 1/2 BILLION persons currently on this planet do not > > appear to be of any significant consequence in this vast Universe. > > > > > > > > In your Gods, world Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, > Wars, > > Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions > and > > starvation exist that torture both man and animals. There are 12,000 > known > > ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture > > and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive > diseases > > affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these > > diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect > > people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and > > ANIMALS! > > > > > > > > Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West > > Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total > > blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and > > loving creator or any competent creator for that matter??? > > > > > > > > Why would any all powerful competent god permit totally innocent children > to > > die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain, > > deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others > with > > super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor? > > Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die > of > > starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate > > into a miserable and devastating old age? > > > > > > > > Why would god create a gene for vitamin C synthesis in most mammals, but > > stop it working in humans and chimps? > > > > Why would god create a lizard that reproduces by parthenogenesis, and > > still give it the need to attempt copulation? > > > > Why would god create birds without the power of flight, yet give them > > wings they cannot use? > > > > Why would god create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete > > darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work? > > > > > > > > If an all powerful god created this, why did he make so many horrible > > mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and > > suffering??? > > > > Why would any all powerful god create things like sharks, jelly fish, > > octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and > poisonous > > insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would he create animals (including > man) > > that need to kill and eat other animals to survive? > > > > > > > > IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all > > caring and all loving god not permit those in his heaven to communicate > the > > wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives and friends? Why > > all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged > and > > persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence - they > > are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS. > > > > > > > > Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods; > > > > > > > > Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? > > Then he is not omnipotent. > > Is he able, but not willing? > > Then he is malevolent. > > Is he both able and willing? > > Then where does evil come from? > > Is he neither able nor willing? > > Then why call him a god? > > > > > > > > These god tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter > > stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus. > > > > > > > > The objective evidence is that gods did not create man but quite the > > opposite; man created gods! > > > > > > > > Where is ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY Gods actually exist? > > > > > > > > Following is a list of the many gods worshipped and feared by man over the > > decades. > > > > Which, if any, of these gods is the real god? If there is a real god, why > > does he not tell us directly and clearly he is the real god and all the > > others are fakes??? Why does he not smite all the fakes? > > > > > > > > Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus, > > Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, > > Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim > > Eshu, > > Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, > > Helios, Hel, > > Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, > > Ishtar, > > Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jesus, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, > > Korravai, > > Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, > > Morrigan, > > Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun, > > Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto, > > Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, > Saturn, > > Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, > > Vesta, > > > > Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus. > > > > > > > > > > African gods: > > > > Abassi [sky] > > Abonsam [Evil] > > Abora [supreme] > > Abzu [Water] > > Acoran [supreme] > > Adaheli [sun] > > Adro [sky] > > Adroa [sky] > > Agassou [Panther] > > Agbe-Naete [Water] > > Age [Animals] > > Aigamuxa [Monster] > > Ajalamo[unborn Children] > > Aje [Wealth] > > Ajok [supreme] > > Akonadi [Oracle] > > Akongo [supreme] > > Akuj [supreme] > > Ala [Earth/Fertility] > > Alatangana [Creator] > > Amma [Creator] > > Anansi [Trickster] > > Anyiewo [snake] > > Aondo [Creator] > > Apa [Creator] > > Apedemak [War] > > Arawa [Moon] > > Arebati [sky] > > Arom [Contracts] > > Arsan Duolai [underworld] > > Asase Ya [Earth] > > Ashiakle [Wealth] > > Asis [sun] > > Astar [sky] > > Ataa Naa > > Nyongmo > > [Creator] > > Ataokoloinona [supreme] > > Atete [Fertility] > > Avrikiti [Fishermen] > > Ayabba > > [Ayaba] [Hearth] > > > > > > Bacax [Cave] > > Bagba [Wind] > > Balubaal [Earth+] > > Bandara [superior Gods] > > Banga [Clear water] > > Behanzin [Fish] > > Beher [sea] > > Bera Pennu [Vegetation] > > Bo [Warriors] > > Bomazi[Ancestors] > > Buadza [WInd] > > Buck[River] > > Buku [sky] > > Bumba [Creator] > > > > > > Cagn [Creator] > > (!Kaggen) > > Cghene [Creator] > > Chiuke > > (Chuku) [Creator] > > Chiata [supreme] > > Chwezi [Hero] > > Col [Rain] > > Chikara [sky] > > > > > > Danh > > (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [snake] > > Deng [sky] > > Deohako [beans+] > > Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods] > > Dongo [Outer Space] > > Dugbo [Earth] > > Dxui [Creator] > > > > > > > > Emeli-hi [supreme] > > Eranoranhan [Protector] > > Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster] > > > > > > > > Fa [Destiny] > > Famien [Fertility] > > Faro [sky/Water] > > Fidi Mukullu [Creator] > > > > > > > > Garang and Abuk [First Humans] > > Gbeni [Chief] > > Gei (Gou) [Moon] > > Gu [War/Smiths] > > Gua [sky] > > Gulu [supreme] > > Gunab [Evil] > > Guruhi [Evil] > > Gurzil [bull] > > Gwalu [Rain] > > Hammon [setting Sun] > > Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits] > > Heitsi-Eibib [sorcerer] > > Hevioss [Thunder] > > Huntin [Tree] > > Huvean [Creator] > > > > > > > > Ifa [Oracul] > > Ikenga [supreme] > > Imana [Creator] > > Iruwa [sun] > > > > Jesus [savior] > > Juok [Creator] > > Kalumba [Creator] > > Kalunga Supreme] > > Katavi [Demonic] > > Ka Tyeleo [supreme] > > Khebieso [Lightening] > > Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon] > > Kholomodumo [Monster] > > Khuzwane [Creator] > > Kibuka [War] > > Kokola [Guardian] > > Kwammang-a [supreme] > > Kwoth [spirit] > > Kyala [Creator] > > > > > > > > Legba [Trickster] > > Leza [Chief] > > Libanza [supreme] > > Lisa [Chameleon] > > Lyangombe[Chief] > > Macardit [Demon] > > Mantis [Creator] > > Massim-Biambe [Creator] > > Mawu [sky] > > Mawu-Lisa [supreme Couple] > > Mbotumbo [supreme] > > Medr [Earth] > > Moomb [Creator] > > Mon [?] > > Mugasa > > Mugu [sky] > > Mujaji [Rain] > > Mukasa [supreme] > > Mula Djadi [Creator] > > Muluku [supreme] > > Mulungu > > Mungu [Creator] > > Mungo (Mungu) [?] > > Musa (Teaching] > > Musisi [supreme] > > Mwari [supreme] > > > > > > Nampa [Personal] > > Nana-Bouclou [First Gods] > > Nana Buluk [Creator] > > Ndjambi [sky] > > Ndriananahary [supreme] > > Nduru [Jungle] > > Nenaunir [storm] > > Nesshoue [River] > > Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator] > > Ngewo-wa [Creator] > > Ngworekara [Demon] > > Niamye [supreme] > > Nkosi Yama'kosi [supreme] > > Nommo [Elemental] > > Nommo [spirit] > > Nyama [Animal] > > Nyambe [supreme] > > Nyambi (Nyambe) [supreme] > > Nyame > > Nyami-Nyami [Guardian] > > Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [supreme] > > Nyamia Ama [supreme] > > Nyasaye [supeme] > > Nzambi (Nzambi) > > Mpunguo) [supreme] > > Nzame [supreme] > > > > > > Obassi Osaw [supreme] > > Obatala [sky] > > Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth] > > Ogun (Ogoun) War] > > Olokula [sea] > > Olorun [supreme] > > Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life] > > Orahan [supreme] > > Orisa Nla [Creator] > > Orishako [Agriculture] > > Orunjan [Midday Sun] > > Orunmila [Compassion] > > Oshalla [?] > > Osun [beauty and Love] > > Oya [Passion and Power] > > > > > > Pemba (Bemba) Mother] > > Qandisa [Demon] > > Qamata[Quamta] Supreme] > > > > Rock-Sene [supreme] > > Ruwa [supreme] > > Sagbata [smallpox] > > Sakarabru [Medicine] > > Sakpata [smallpox] > > Sango [Thunder] > > Shango [Thunder] > > So [Lightening] > > > > > > Tano [River] > > Tore [Forest] > > Trowu[spirits] > > Tsui'goab [Rain] > > Twe [Lake] > > > > Umvelinqangi [Creator] > > Unkulunkulu [supreme] > > Unumbotte [Creator] > > > > Waka [Rain] > > Wele [supreme] > > Wulbari [supreme] > > Wuni [supreme] > > > > > > Xewioso [Thunder] > > Yemaja [Creation] > > Yo [impersonal] > > > > Zin [Water] > > > > Asian Gods: > > > > BUDDHIST > > > > Abhijnaraja [Physician] > > Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis] > > Acala [?] > > Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis] > > Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis] > > Adibuddha [First] > > Adidharma [Primeval] > > Aizen Myo-o [Protective] > > Ajaya [?] > > Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai > > Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature] > > Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani] > > Amida [savior] > > Amitabha [A Dhyani] > > Amitayus [Longevity] > > Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara] > > Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani] > > Anantamukhi [Literature] > > Arapacana [book and Sword] > > Arcismati [bhumis] > > Arhat [A Saint] > > Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis] > > Arya-Tara [sakti] > > Asokakanta [avatar Marici] > > Asokottamasri [Physician] > > Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla] > > Asura [Group of Demons] > > Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age] > > Ayurvasita[One vasitas] > > > > Balaparamita [Philosophy] > > Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician] > > Bhima[Attendant] > > Bhrkuti[Female] > > Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother] > > Bhumi [spiritual Spheres] > > Bhutadarma [Demon Controller] > > Bi-har [Protector] > > Bodhidharma [Monk] > > Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [born to be Englightened] > > Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas] > > Buddhalocana [Female Buddha] > > Budha [Mercury] > > Butcho [?] > > > > Chandarosana [Mahayana] > > Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana] > > Chakravartin [World Ruler] > > Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa] > > Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings] > > Chittavista [Vashitas] > > Citipati [Graveyard Demons] > > Cunda [Literature] > > Da-shi-zhi [bodhisattva] > > Dadimunda [Temples] > > Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom] > > Dakini [Demons] > > Dala Kadavara [Demon] > > Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank] > > Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi] > > Dharani [Mystical Texts] > > Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma] > > Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician] > > Dharmamegha [bhumis] > > Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties] > > Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis] > > Dharmavasita [Vasitas] > > Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians] > > Dhupa [Mother] > > Dhupatara [Mahayana] > > Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya] > > Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy] > > Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas] > > Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators] > > Di-zang [bodhisattvas of Hell] > > Dvarapala [?] > > > > Ekajata [Terrible] > > Emma-o [Judges the Dead] > > > > Fudo [WIsdom] > > > > Guan Yin [bodhisattva] > > > > Hariti [Ate Children] > > Hayagriva [Protection] > > Heruka [Protection] > > Hevajra [Protection] > > > > Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries] > > > > Jambhala [avatar Vausravana] > > Janguli [snakebite cure] > > Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence] > > Jizo [Compassion] > > Juichimen [Mercy] > > > > Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo] > > > > Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva] > > Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [indian bodhisattva] > > Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o] > > Krodhadevatas [inspire Terror] > > Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva] > > Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy] > > Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric] > > Kurukulla [?] > > > > Locana [?] > > > > Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva] > > Maitreya [Future] > > Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva] > > Manjusri [bodhisattva] > > Mara [Evil] > > Marici [sun] > > Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva > > Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva > > Mo-Li [Protects Temples] > > > > Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara] > > Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses] > > Pandara [?] > > Paramasva [?] > > Parnasavari [?] > > Prajna [Femaleness] > > Prajnaparamita [buddhist Text] > > Ran-deng [beggar and Future Buddha] > > Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > > Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha] > > Remanta [King of the Horse gods] > > > > Sakyamuni [Japanese] > > Samantabhadra [bodhisattvas] > > Saptaksara [avatar Heruka] > > Shakra [King of the Gods] > > Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven] > > Sumbharaja [buddhist Krodhadevata] > > > > Tennin (Tennyo) [angels] > > > > Usnisavijaya [?] > > > > Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas] > > Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World] > > Vajrabhairava [?] > > Vajrapani [bodhisattvas] > > Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha] > > Vajravarahi [?] > > Vajrayogini [initiation] > > Vajrayogini [Riches] > > Vidyadharas [?] > > Vidyujjvalakarali [?] > > Vighnantaka [?] > > Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World] > > Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven] > > Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > > > > We-to [Divine General] > > > > Yakushi Nyorai [Healing] > > Yama [?] > > Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas] > > > > Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods] > > > > CHINESE GODS > > > > Ao [sea] > > Awun [Destruction] > > > > Ba [Drought] > > Ba Gua [basis of Divination] > > Bo Hsian [Taoist] > > > > Cai-Shen [Riches] > > Can Cong [silkworms] > > Cao Guo-jiu [Actors] > > Chang Fei [War] > > Chang Hs'ien [Children] > > Chang Kuo-lao [?] > > Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon] > > Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife] > > Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians] > > Chen Jen [spiritual Beings] > > Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen] > > Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [buskers] > > Chih Nu [Weavers] > > Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain] > > Chih-Yu [inventor] > > Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian] > > Chou Wang [sodomy] > > Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties] > > Chu Jung [Fire] > > Chu Lung [Day/Night] > > Chung K'uei [Afterlife] > > Chung-li Ch'uan [immortal] > > Confucius [Philosopher] > > > > Di Zhang Xia [?] > > Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God] > > > > Erh-Lang [Guardian] > > > > Fan-K'uei [butchers] > > Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind] > > Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings] > > Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind] > > Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind] > > Fo [buddha] > > Fu His [Taught Humanity] > > Fu Hsing [Happiness] > > Fu Shen [Happiness] > > Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods] > > Fu-xi [Hero] > > > > Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement] > > Gong Gong [Common Workers] > > Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers] > > Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling] > > Gui Xian [Demon] > > > > Han Hsiang [immortal] > > Han Xiang-zi [immortal] > > He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers] > > Heng E (Change-e) [Moon] > > He Xian-gu [immortal] > > Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples] > > Heng-o [Moon] > > Ho Hsien-ku [immortal] > > Ho Po [River] > > Hou Chi [Harvest] > > Hou I [Archer] > > Hou T'u [Earth] > > Hsien [Taoists] > > Hsi Ho [sun's Creator] > > Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian] > > Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven] > > Hua Hsien [Flower] > > Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero] > > Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain] > > Hu-Shen [Hail] > > > > I [bowmen] > > Infoniwoo [Generation] > > I-Ti [Wine] > > > > K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil] > > Kuan Yu [War] > > K'uei Hsing [Examinations] > > > > Lan Cai-he [immortal] > > Lao T'ien Yeh [supreme] > > Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher] > > Lei Kung [storm] > > Lei-zi [Thunder] > > Li [Fire] > > Li Tie-guai [immortal] > > Liu [Crops] > > Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [immortal] > > Lu-Hsing [salaries/Employees] > > Lung Wang [Dragon King] > > Lupan [Carpenters] > > > > Ma-Mien [bureaucrat] > > Meng (Meng P'o) [underworld] > > Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush] > > Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng] > > Mu Gong [immortals] > > > > Niu-Y'oun [Police] > > Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage] > > > > O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha] > > > > Pa [Drought] > > Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts] > > Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals] > > P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues] > > 'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos] > > Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth] > > Puhsien [sun] > > > > Ran-deng [Future Buddha] > > > > San Ch'inga [Three Taos] > > Shang Di (Shang Ti) [supreme] > > She Chi (Thu) [Earth] > > Shen [spirit] > > Sheng Jen [Holy] > > Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero] > > Shen-T'u [Guardian] > > Shen Yi [sun] > > Shiang Ku [Magician] > > Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten] > > Shou-Hsing [Longevity] > > Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life] > > Shou-Ts'ang [servant] > > Shui-Fu [Water] > > Shui-Kuan [Defender] > > Ssu Ming [Life and Death] > > Sung-Chiang [Theives] > > Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey] > > Sun Hou-zi [Apes] > > Sun-Pin [Cobblers] > > > > T'ai I [High] > > Tai-sui-xing [Time] > > Tai-yi [sky] > > T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak] > > Thu [Earth] > > Tian [sky] > > Tian-zhu [Catholic] > > Tien (T'ien) [sky] > > Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven] > > T'ien-Kuan [Happiness] > > T'ien Lung [Dragon] > > Tien Mu [Lightening] > > Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings] > > Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness] > > Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth] > > Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy] > > Ti Yu [Afterlife] > > Tou Nu [North Star] > > Ts'ai-Lun [stationers] > > Ts'ai Shen [Wealth] > > Tsan [Demons] > > Ts'ang Chien [Hearth] > > Tsao Shen [?] > > Tsao-Wang [Hearth] > > Tu [Earth] > > Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals] > > T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality] > > > > Wang [Palace Door] > > Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian] > > Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature] > > Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri] > > Wen Pu [Epidemics] > > Wu Ti [Myth] > > > > > > Xian [spirits] > > Xi-Wang-mu [immortality] > > > > Yama [seventh hell] > > Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [underworld Prince] > > Yao [Wind Conqueror] > > Yao-shi-fo [Physician] > > Yao Wang [Medicine] > > Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death] > > Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [underworld Judge] > > Yin and Yang [Male and Female] > > Yo Fei [War] > > Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds] > > Yu-di (Yu Huang) [supreme] > > Yueh Fei [War] > > Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High] > > Yun T'ung [Clouds] > > Yu-qiang [sea] > > Yu Shih [Rain] > > Yu-tzu [Rain] > > > > Zao Jun [Kitchen] > > Zhang Guo-lao [immortal] > > Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations] > > Zhong-li Quan [immortal] > > > > [sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology] > > > > > > Finnish Gods: > > > > > > Ahto [Water] > > Akka [Harvest] > > > > Egres [Vegetation/Fertility] > > > > Hiisi [Forest/Evil] > > > > Ilma [Air] > > Ilmarinen [sky] > > Inmar [sky] > > > > Juma [sky] > > Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+] > > > > Kalevanpojat [Demons] > > Kalma [Death] > > Kekri [Fertility Feast] > > Kipu-Tytto [illness] > > Kondos [sowing Crops] > > Kuu [Moon] > > > > Lemminkainen [Hero] > > Louhi [sorcery/Evil] > > Loviatar [Disease] > > Luonnotar [Creator] > > > > Madderakka [Dwarves] > > Maahiset [Dwarves] > > > > Naaki [Water] > > Nyrckes [?] > > > > Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties] > > > > Pajainen [?] > > Pajonn [Thunder] > > Para [Goblin Like] > > Pellonpekko [barley] > > > > Raudna [?] > > Rutu [Devil] > > > > Sampsa [Vegetation] > > Seides [stones] > > > > Rauni [?] > > > > Tapio [Forest] > > Tiermes [Thunder] > > Tuoni [underworld > > Tursas [Monster] > > > > Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder] > > > > Vainamoinen [Hero] > > Veralden-radien [World Pillars] > > > > Waralden Olmai [World] > > > > JAPANESE GODS > > > > > > Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder] > > Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star] > > Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal] > > Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility] > > Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods] > > Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil] > > Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared] > > Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth] > > > > Bimbo-Gami [Poverty] > > Bishamon [War] > > > > Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea] > > > > Daikoku [Wealth] > > > > Ebisu [Labor] > > > > Fuchi [Fire] > > Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom] > > Futsunushi [Lightening] > > > > Gozu-Tenno [Plague] > > > > Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind] > > Hikohohodemi [Hero] > > Hinokagutsuchi [Fire] > > Hiruko [Morning Sun] > > Hoderi [?] > > Hisa-Me [Devils] > > Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire] > > Hosuseri [?] > > Hotei [Laughter] > > > > Inari [Prosperity] > > Izanagi [Creator] > > Izanami [Mother] > > > > Jikoku [Guardians] > > Jimmu Tenno [Founder] > > Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity] > > > > Kagu-tsuchi [Fire] > > Kamado-gami [Hearth] > > Kami [Divinities] > > Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?] > > Kami-Nari [Thunder] > > Kamui [sky] > > Kappa [Water] > > Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers] > > Kishijoten [Luck] > > Kishimojin [Demon] > > Komoku [south] > > Kompira [Wealth] > > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?] > > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First] > > Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth] > > Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow] > > > > Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes] > > Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes] > > Ningyo [Mermaid] > > Ninigi [Ruler Earth] > > > > O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery] > > Onamuji [Earth] > > Omiwa [Protective] > > Oni [Demons] > > O-Wata-Tsumi [sea] > > O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain] > > > > Raiden [Thunder] > > Ryo-Wo [sea] > > Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain] > > > > Sae-No-Kami [Roads] > > > > Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain] > > Sennin [immortals] > > Shichi-Fukujin [Luck] > > Shiko-Me [Devils] > > Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind] > > Shitatera-Hime [?] > > Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians] > > Shojo [satyrs] > > Soko-No-Kuni [underworld] > > Suitengu [sea] > > Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs] > > Shoki [Enemy of Devils] > > Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [storms] > > Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family] > > Takemikadzuchi [Thunder] > > Take-Mi-Musubi [sun] > > Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain] > > Tatsuta-hime [Autumn] > > Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest] > > Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy] > > Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon] > > > > Uji-gami [Ancestors] > > Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and > > Food] > > Uzume [Mirth] > > > > Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\ > > Wata-tsu-mi [sea] > > > > Yabune [House] > > > > Zocho [south] > > > > Shinto Amaterasu [sun] > > > > Ama-Tsu-Mara [smiths] > > > > Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral] > > Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water] > > Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [supreme] > > Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers] > > Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental] > > Ame-no-uzume [Dancers] > > > > Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+] > > > > Fujin [Wind] > > > > Hachiman [War] > > Ho-musubi [Fire] > > > > Kami [idols] > > > > SOUTH ASIAN GODS > > > > Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [supreme] > > > > Debata [?] > > > > Empung Luminuut [?] > > > > Hainuwele [?] > > > > Hananim [sky] > > > > Hmin [Ague] > > > > Karei [supreme] > > Kinharingan [Creator] > > Kud [Evil] > > > > Laseo [sun] > > Lature Dano [supreme] > > Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above] > > > > Mahatala (Mahataral) [supreme?] > > Ma-zu [?] > > > > Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval] > > Narbrooi [Woodlands] > > Nemu [Primodial] > > > > Palk [sun] > > Puang Matowa [sky] > > Pulug [Thunder] > > > > Reahu [Dark Demon] > > Rigenmucha [supreme] > > > > Silewe Nazarata [?] > > Sirao [First] > > > > Ta Pedn [?] > > Tnong [sun] > > Tumbrenjak [Original Man] > > > > Upulevo [sun] > > > > Wunekau [sun] > > > > CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS > > > > Abyrga [snake] > > Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms] > > Aitvaras [Evil] > > Alardi [spirit] > > Aralo [Agriculutre] > > Armaz [supreme] > > Auseklis (Ausrine) [stellar] > > > > Baba [spirit] > > Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress] > > Bagvarti [?] > > Bangputys [sea] > > Bannik [baths] > > Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity] > > Barastir (Barastaer) [underworld] > > Bardha [Elves] > > Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War] > > Beng [satan] > > Biegg-Olmai [Wind] > > Bogatyri [Heroes] > > Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children] > > Bolla (Bullar) [Demon] > > Buga [supreme] > > Bukura e dheut > > [Good Spirit] > > Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah] > > Byelobog (Bielbog) [?] > > Byelun [?] > > > > Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?] > > Chors [sun] > > > > Dabog [sun] > > Deive [stone Spirits] > > Dieva deli [?] > > Dievini [Less Known Gods] > > Dievs [sky] > > Djall [Devil] > > Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household] > > Donbittir [Water/Fish] > > Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods] > > Dud [Heavenly Spirit] > > Dvorovoi [Courtyard] > > Dyavo [Demons] > > > > En [?] > > Erlik [King of the Dead] > > Es [sky] > > > > Fatit [Destiny] > > Fene [Demon] > > > > Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire] > > Gabjauja [Corn] > > Giltine [Death] > > Guta [Demon] > > > > Hadur [War] > > Himavat [Himalayas] > > Horagalles [War] > > > > Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate] > > Isten [supreme] > > > > Jagaubis [Fire] > > Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War] > > Jessis [avatar Jupiter] > > Jumis [Fertility] > > Juras Mate [Water] > > > > Kaka-Guia [Funerary] > > Kalvis [smith] > > Karta [Fate] > > Kaukas [?] > > Khors [Health/Hunting] > > Khyung-gai mGo-can [?] > > Kikimora [Household] > > K'op'ala [Protective] > > Kukuth (Kukudhi) [sickness] > > Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon] > > Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon] > > Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs] > > Kurdalaegon [blacksmiths] > > > > Laima [Fate] > > Lamaria [Hearth] > > Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest] > > Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility] > > Laume [Fairy] > > Leshy [Forest] > > Lha [bon Gods] > > Lhamo [?] > > Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs] > > Ljubi [Demon] > > > > Manzasiri [Primeval] > > Mate [Mother] > > Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth] > > Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods] > > Meness [Moon] > > Menulis [Moon] > > Meza Mate [Nature] > > Mirsa [Light] > > Mokos [Fertility] > > Mu (rMu) [Heavenly] > > Muma Padura [Wood] > > Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon] > > > > Nang Lha [Household] > > Nari [Demon] > > Nari [sky] > > Num [sky] > > > > Odqan [Fire] > > Ora [Protective] > > Ordog [Dark] > > > > Pekar (Pehar) [Demon] > > Peko [barley] > > Perendi [Jehovah] > > Perit [Mountain Spirits] > > Perkons [Thunder] > > Perkunas [Thunder] > > Perun (Peroun) [Thunder] > > Polevik [Field] > > Poludnitsa [Field] > > Pon [sky] > > Porenutius (Porevit) [?] > > Preas Eyn [?] > > Preas Eyssaur [Destructive] > > Preas Prohm [Primeval] > > > > Prende (Prenne) [Love] > > Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday] > > Pugu [sun] > > > > Qormusta (Chormusta) [High] > > > > Rugievit [War] > > Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands] > > > > Safa [Weapens] > > Sanda [?] > > Sarkany [Weather] > > Saule [sun] > > Saules meitas [?] > > Selardi [Moon] > > Shen-Lha-od-dkar [bon] > > Shen-rab [Founder Bon] > > Sipe Gyalmo [bon] > > Shiwini [sun] > > Shosshu [smiths] > > Siwini [sun] > > Srat [Demon] > > Sri [Demon] > > Sridevi [?] > > Stribog [Winds] > > Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture] > > Svarog [sky] > > Syen [Guardian] > > Stihi [Demon] > > > > Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith] > > Telyaveli [smiths] > > Tengri [Heavenly Beings] > > Tesheba [Weather] > > Thab-lha [Hearth] > > Triglav (Trigelawus) [War] > > > > Uacilla [Thunder/Rain] > > Ulgen [Creator] > > Urme [Fate] > > Usins [?] > > > > Vadatajs [Evil] > > Vampire [soul of Dead] > > Veela [Kindess] > > Veja mate [Winds] > > Veles (Volos) [underworld] > > Velnias [Devil] > > Velu mate [Dead] > > Verbti [Fire/North Wind] > > Vila [Water] > > Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf] > > Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf] > > Vodnik [Demon] > > Vodyanoi [Water] > > Volos (Volusu) [Cattle] > > > > We [supreme] > > > > Xhindi [spirits] > > > > Yarilo [Love] > > > > Zaltys [Grass Snake] > > Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [supreme] > > Zemes mate [Mother] > > Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth] > > Zorya [Guardian] > > Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star] > > > > > > > > SIBERIAN GODS > > > > Ai Tojon [Light] > > Ajysyt [Mother] > > Anky-Kele [sea] > > Ayi [Creator] > > > > Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters] > > Hinkon [Death Demon] > > > > K'daai [Fire Demon] > > Kaltes [The Goddess] > > Ke'lets [Death Demon] > > Kurkil [Creator] > > Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit] > > > > Mayin [supreme] > > > > Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals] > > > > Shurdi [Thunderstorms] > > > > Tomam [bird] > > Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator] > > > > Xucau [supreme] > > > > Ye'loje (Pugu) [sun] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > I have enough intelligence to discern between truth and fiction. Okay... > Jesus Christ is truth, your stories are fiction. Bzzzztt! Too bad! But thanks for playing! Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Well, the problem with your version is that it is just not believable. You mean the version that says fairy tales about Jesus rising from the dead are just that--fairy tales? That people who try to claim this fairy tale really happened have never been able to provide even a sliver of evidence that such a breathtakingly extraordinary event could have occurred? That version? > According to you all a person has to do to succeed is to > find fault with Jesus Christ. No, all a person has to do is find fault with idiots who don't understand this simple fact: that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. > Satan can do just as well, and he is nothing but an evil spirit. Boo! Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Jesus Christ accomplished the atonement all by himself. I guess you > never read the scripture, I have trodden the winepress alone. And apparently, consumed a lot of the product, too... Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Well, what I think you should do is explain your idea to Jesus Christ > when he returns to judge the earth. Hey! I've got an idea! Maybe you can invite him to your Sunday School! You kids would really love that! Quote
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