Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 20, 9:17�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in news:1172030782.372449.111750 > @s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > > On Feb 20, 2:22?pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:51:17 -0500, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> > >> wrote: > > >> >Mormonism and Jehovah witnesses are extremes, far out in their > beliefs > >> >and practices. Several Mormon groups in Utah, Arizona Montana and > >> >other states still practice polygamy. This is abuse of women and > their > >> >offspring. A practice condemned by all Christians. > > >> Not by two Christian sects - Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. > > > Atheists are the ones who are the greatest abusers of women. > > Robert B. Winn > > Pulled that out of you ass, didn't you? > > -- > Enkidu AA#2165 Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 15, 9:18�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 9:21�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 20, 9:18?pm, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1172030782.372449.111750@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 20, 2:22?pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:51:17 -0500, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> > > > wrote: > > > > >Mormonism and Jehovah witnesses are extremes, far out in their beliefs > > > >and practices. Several Mormon groups in Utah, Arizona Montana and > > > >other states still practice polygamy. This is abuse of women and their > > > >offspring. A practice condemned by all Christians. > > > > Not by two Christian sects - Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. > > > Atheists are the ones who are the greatest abusers of women. > > Robert B. Winn > > We were informed by the two Mormon missionaries that if we reject > this Joseph Smith we could not be saved into the presence of > God. Only Mormons can enter into the presence of God. > (who btw is just an exalted man who once lived on a planet > and died was resurrected and progressed into godhood) I wouldn't really think so. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > news:45DA5B7E.D6BEBE26@netvigator.com... > > > > No gods needed or indeed exist, > > simply man's primitive needs - they exist all right ! > > > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested Matthew 10:35. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW" that is how silly ot all gets Frank > > in > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him. > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 20, 11:22�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007 10:03 > pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 6:36?am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> In alt.atheism On 15 Feb 2007 18:35:15 -0800, "rbwinn" > >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > >> >On Feb 15, 5:00?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:24:28 -0800, "rbwinn" > >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > >> >> >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn" > >> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, > >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" > > >> >> >> >> ...] > > >> >> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the > >> >> >> >> messiah predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to > >> >> >> >> bring peace, to bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the > >> >> >> >> earth; but nowhere in the Old Testament does it say he will > >> >> >> >> be worshiped as a god. > > >> >> >> >Isaiah 9:6 > > >> >> >> ?? See Is 8:3. That is the child spoken of in Is 9:6. > > >> >> >No, sorry. > > >> >> ?? ?? Sorry, but it's true. Only if one takes Is 9:6 completely > >> >> out of context can it be applied to jesus. Will you admit to > >> >> taking Is 9:6 completely out of context? > > >> >> Don > > >> >Well, let's work over to it, Don. ?? > > >> ?? ?? ?? ?? No, there's no working over to it. The fact is that the > >> child born in Is 8:3 fills the prophecy from Is 7:14 and is being > >> lauded from Is 8:5 on, continuing through Is 9. > > >> ?? ?? ?? ?? Interesting note: if you read Is 9:1-2 and then find Matt > >> 4:12-16, you'll see how the former verses were concatenated to invent > >> a prophecy that doesn't actually exist. > > > Well, as an apostle, Matthew certainly had the authority to say what > > Isaiah meant by his prophecy. > > So what is your authority to say that Matthew was concatenating > > something? > > Robert B. Winn > > One does not need an authority to see what can be easily demonstrated by > reading the two passages oneself. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 20, 11:29�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007 10:58 > pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:28?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007 > >> 7:40 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> > On Feb 20, 4:41?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> >> Darrell Stec wrote: > >> >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February 2007 > >> >> > 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote: > > >> >> > > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to > >> >> > > brighten your day. > > >> >> > Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four people > >> >> > or schools writing under the name of Isaiah and throughout > >> >> > several centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a composition by many > >> >> > not the work of one man. > > >> >> "... the Bible was a collection of books written at different > >> >> times by different men, a strange mixture of diverse human > >> >> documents, and a tissue of irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The > >> >> Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, > >> >> but is full of absurdities and contradictions." > >> >> [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism"] > > >> > Sorry, Darrell, no one can fake writing like Isaiah. ??He was the > >> > only one who wrote the way he wrote. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> How can you make statements like that? ??You can't read the Hebrew it > >> was written in. ??Even several of my bibles explicity state that > >> Isaiah was written by a minimum of three different schools or > >> persons. ??The grammar and syntax varies in style (and content) among > >> those writers. You can't read the originals, nor understand the fine > >> nuances of the Hebrew language. ??Can you name any real biblical > >> scholar of today who shares your viewpoint? > > >> Your own LDS scholars do not agree with you. ??Note: "John Tvedtnes, > >> senior project manager for FARMS, has written technical studies on > >> Hebraisms and Isaiah variants in the Book of Mormon." which can be > >> found athttp://www.apologeticsindex.org/cpoint10-2.html. > > >> -- > >> Later, > >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com > > > I do not really care what some college boys think. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Feb 21, 5:49�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 20, 11:06 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> Bill M wrote: > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> > > >> > ... > > > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > >> > > >> his book. > > > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > >> > > moment. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:09�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > Bill M wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >> > ... > > > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please. > > > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. > > > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in > > > > > > >> his book. > > > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very > > > > > > moment. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 22 Feb 2007 19:19:49 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172200789.128447.246440@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 18, 8:57?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> Bill M wrote: >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> > > >> > ... >> >> >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on >> >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. >> >> >> > > >> > Source with complete context please. >> >> >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine. >> >> >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in >> >> > > >> his book. >> >> >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very >> >> > > moment. 4 recommends hunting down and hanging anyone >> >> > > >> critical of the war effort. >> >> >> > > pundit has already confessed that he is >> >> >> > > >> the author of the quote. >> >> >> > > >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie >> >> > > >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ >> >> >> > > >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection >> >> > > >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible? >> >> > > >I see no reason to worry about it myself. >> >> >> > > Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there >> >> > > is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions >> >> > > with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. (at is all the evidence we need. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a fable and >> >> > objective verifiable evidence! >> >> >> He only accepts what his mummy told him, forgetting that her mummy told her >> >> and then her mummy told her and 'ad infinitum' - well not exactly, as sooner >> >> or later we reach back to a small group of primitives that made the myth up in >> >> the first place. >> >> >> It's s hard to accept the fact that one's parents and grandparents were >> >> telling unsubstantiated yarns - maybe for the best possible reasons, but >> >> 'yarns' nevertheless- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys, >> >you claim that he was telling a "yarn"? >> >> Since Jesus never said that, you are the one telling a tall tale. Still, >> when it comes to science, it doesn't really matter what someone claims >> Jesus said. The people who were writing these stories about Jesus had no >> idea about common descent or evolution. I would be impressed with the >> Bible if it had actually talked about it, but it doesn't.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, actually, it does. Paul stated that in the last days men would >be turned to fables, being unable to abide sound doctrine. Since you teach things that have no evidence to back them, why would I think your teachings are sound doctrine? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1172202832.147991.191490@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > > > > ... >> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. �incoln said on >> > > > > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. >> >> > > > > Source with complete context please. >> >> > > > I can give you the original source. �alk to Abraham Lincoln after the >> > > > resurrection. �e can tell you in person. >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time - what a >> > > wally- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. �o need to get irrational. >> > Isaiah 2:17 nd the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the >> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be >> > exalted in that day. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum, >> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle of >> primitives >> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were >monkeys telling me to grow up. We do share our ancestry with the great apes, all other mammals and the rest of the organisms in the world. Only liars claim otherwise. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:04:41 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45de4c6b$0$16288$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:s4dkt21p4jn6vu6o6k3821agnkthmhg5ou@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:18:14 +0800, in alt.atheism >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in >> <45d8c8bc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>> >>>And which has as it's central theme: "There ain't no god(s)"? >> >> I don't say that. I state that there is absolutely no evidence for any >> gods. You choose to falsely claim that I have said something else. >> > That's an outright lie!!! Our Christian "God is love" and there is >plenty of evidence for the existence of love. YOUR god or devil doesn't >exist, for it is likely to be an invisible old man in the sky. You know your argument relies on falsely conflating two different meanings of the word _love_. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > news:45DA5C6A.E7847B7B@netvigator.com... > > > > Lunacy exists, as anyone reading your posts quickly discovers > > > What about you claiming there ain't no god(s), when it's obvious that > there are existing gods aplenty? You are obviously into "lunacy" yourself. Carvings do not gods make. OED - 'GOD' A superhuman being that is worshipped as having power over nature Kindly grow up and stop posting painfully stupid waffle about 'gods a plenty' we know man made 'em all, which more than we can say about your 'point'! Better sill; accept that you are staggering up a one way alley - a 'blind alley'. [Just imagine how nice it would be to wake up tomorrow morning and find that you no longer need to scrape away at that bottomless barrel of yours for more excuses.] > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 16, 2:19�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > On 16 Feb., 15:20, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Feb 15, 8:57 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 15, 7:01?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > You forgot about Isaiah. > > > > Isaiah 1:4 Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:28:00 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45de4c70$0$16288$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:bedkt25jc2k340fjstt9r0ftctvkun83ns@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:36:48 +0800, in alt.atheism >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in >> <45d8c8cc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>> >>> Thanks for proving my point. So you disbelieve what I just said, as >>>usual, and are now claiming that atheism is a belief system, instead of a >>>disbelief system. Let's see you prove that. Either prove it, or admit >>>your >>>just lying for atheism again. >> >> You are the one who calls atheism a belief system. I call you on your >> lie. Atheism is not a form of belief. Lack of belief is not a system. >> You know that. You appear to like lying. Why is that? >> > Why is what? You proved no "lie". I agreed with you above, that atheism >is not a belief system. It's however a DISbelief system, for you are forever >listing all the things you don't believe and never get around to telling us >anything about what you DO believe. More nonsense. The point, which you dishonestly refuse to acknowledge, even though people have provided it to you again and again, is that atheism is not any sort of system. One can be atheist and a follower of the Buddha or Confucius or even Jesus. Atheism says nothing about the moral principles one follows (of course we also know that many people claim to be Christian, but that says nothing about their moral principles, either). Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > news:45DA6803.3113FCE4@netvigator.com... > > rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > >> Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. No need to get irrational. > >> Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the > >> haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be > >> exalted in that day. > >> Robert B. Winn > > > > Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum, > > verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle of > > primitives > > Grow up > > > You just evidence again your being severely perceptually and > philosophically challenged. "Primitives" indeed!!! With you it's not just a > matter of "growing up", it's the need for treatment, ...and Jesus is the > answer. Sorry but - no thanks. "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:26. [if I had to pander to an early 'fad' I would chose Buddha, at least he existed and he never propagated cruelty and arrogance] Lord Buddha preached: "We will have to find out the cause of sorrow and the way to escape from it. The desire for sensual enjoyment and clinging to earthly life is the cause of sorrow. If we can eradicate desire, all sorrows and pains will come to an end. We will enjoy Nirvana or eternal peace. Those who follow the Noble Eightfold Path strictly, viz., right opinion, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right employment, right exertion, right thought and right self-concentration will be free from sorrow. This indeed, O mendicants, is that middle course which the Tathagata has thoroughly comprehended, which produces insight, which produces knowledge, which leads to calmness or serenity, to supernatural knowledge, to perfect Buddhahood, to Nirvana. > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 19, 8:18�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 15, 9:08�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 6:46�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it exists. > > > > > > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff. > > > > > > > > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not > > > > > > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You called > > > > > > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Free Lunch wrote: > On 22 Feb 2007 04:37:23 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in > <1172147843.183966.191440@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: > >On Feb 16, 6:53?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > >> > >> >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > >> > >> ... > >> > >> >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently > >> >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > >> > >> >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> >You atheists all play the same game. f you want to claim the Bible > >> >does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist. > >> >Robert B. Winn > >> > >> Once again you lie. > >> > >> You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does not > >> exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot be honest and > >> admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of anything. It is just > >> one of many religious texts that is held in high regard by one religion > >> or another. There is no evidence that the Bible is any more true than > >> the Q'ran or any other religious text. > >> > >> We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false claim that > >> there is something special about it. > >> > > > >There is something special about it. > > Please, be clear and accurate about what is special and then provide > evidence to support your contention. > > >You cannot prove it does not exist. > > I know the Bible exists, you fool. The question is what value it has. Well it has the power to turn normal rational people into raving idiots, for starters ! Bob > > > >Robert B. Winn > > Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 17, 10:56�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 7:17�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> > You atheists all play the same game. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 17, 10:52�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > >> > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > > > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > > >> > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > > > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > > > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > > > > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > > > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > > > > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > > > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > > > >> > > thousands..... > > > > > > > > >> > > Bob > > > > > > >> > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > > > > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > > > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > > > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > > > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > > > > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > > > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > > > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you > > > > > > >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?rselstegn - > > > > > > > > >> Well, of course, you are welcome to present evidence that your > > > > > > >> religious beliefs are true. ?Until then, there is no reason to believe > > > > > > >> you. > > > > > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > You atheists all play the same game. ?If you want to claim the Bible > > > > > does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Well Christian 'Nut cases' sure do- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah to cheer you up, Bob. > > > Isaiah 1:25 Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 "thomas p." wrote: > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > snip > > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, let's get right to it. In what way do you acknowedge that the > > Bible exists? Bob has a list that he keeps posting. Does the Bible > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. The fact that he exists confirms it Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 17, 10:59�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 16, 10:23?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 16, 4:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 16 Feb., 02:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 6:59?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:44, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes > > > > > > > > > > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the > > > > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible > > > > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists? > > > > > > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself. > > > > > > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ? > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does > > > > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the > > > > > > > > > Bible tangible? > > > > > > > > > Maybe the question is too difficult for you. > > > > > > > > > More likely, you have received enough atheistic education to see the > > > > > > > > > difficulty that the Bible presents for atheism, so you continue to say > > > > > > > > > that the Bible does not exist. > > > > > > > > > You say you have six Bibles. ?What is that supposed to mean? ?Do you > > > > > > > > > have six books that can be read, or do you have six imaginary books? > > > > > > > > > > That's better boobie, more like your babbling self. ?I knew you could > > > > > > > > do it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Well, let's study Isaiah some more, then. > > > > > > > Isaiah 1:3 ?The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; > > > > > > > but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. > > > > > > > The last atheist I did this with was james e. keegan. ?He only lasted > > > > > > > a couple of chapters. > > > > > > > > Got bored did he? ?I find it hilarious.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Here is one you will really find funny. > > > > > Isaiah 1:17 ?Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your > > > > > doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > They had good cause to say such things back then > > > > > > Imagine waking up tommorow with - - - ?no legal deeds on your home, no law enforcement - no LAWS. > > > > > > No protection angainst 'anyone' with bad intentions; especially if they were in a group larger than yours. > > > > > > Oh yes; the fear of imaginary gods was - well - ?'all they had back then'. > > > > > > It really became 'instinctive' as a result. ?Nature [evolution] has a habit of doing that - just look around you...... > > > > > > [No.......... on second thoughts..........that would be too much to ask]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, that would not be as bad as having people like you claiming they > > > were enforcing laws. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > I am not an enforcer - we humans leave that to the proper authorities. > > > > you missed my point of course, or you dodged it. > > > > I would hate to be a religionist trying to prop up my myth. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > news:e2dkt2tov0701orpfmvmtnl208e7ocdi9u@4ax.com... > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:53:25 +0800, in alt.atheism > > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in > > <45d9c68a$0$16269$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: > >>"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > >>news:u4qft2ppbprus69bal5qdcjtjptkp7inf6@4ax.com... > >>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:51:58 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> > >>> wrote: > >>>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:35:48 +0800, in alt.atheism > >>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in > >>>><45d6f3c4$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: > >>>>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > >>>>>news:021at2dduc81elh421vfel0tr3he94oqc0@4ax.com... > >>>>>> On 15 Feb 2007 04:31:43 -0800, in alt.atheism > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in > >>>>>> <1171542703.680913.131700@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Well, Thomas, here we see the last refuge of the atheist, the > >>>>>>>personal > >>>>>>>attack. We were discussing the Bible here in alt.bible. Now > >>>>>>>everyone > >>>>>>>can see your purpose in intruding in our conversation. If you do not > >>>>>>>want to talk about the Bible, why don't you go live the happy life of > >>>>>>>an atheist? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm in alt.atheism watching you tell your lies. Why are you posting > >>>>>> your > >>>>>> lies in alt.atheism. > >>>>>> > >>>>> Because a.a. is ABOUT atheism, not a refuge FOR atheists. Also, > >>>>> atheist > >>>>>doctrine demands, that what we consider the truth, atheists MUST call > >>>>>lies > >>>>>or face excommunication and confiscation of their number. > >>>> > >>>>As people have pointed out again and again, yet you, in your hubris > >>>>refuse to acknowledge, there is no such thing as atheist doctrine. > >>>> > >>>>It appears that you hate people. > >>> > >>> Indeed. He spends a lot of time on alt.atheism telling us how awful > >>> he thinks we are. > >>> > >> Non sequitur to what I wrote. My comments concerned atheism as a > >>philosophy of life, not atheists as persons. But then atheism requires > >>atheists to ALWAYS emphasis faults, errors, shortcomings, insufficiencies > >>etc. to the exclusion of affirming what is good, right, desirable, and > >>salutary. > >> That is what hell is all about, all negative and despairing and > >> nothing > >>positive and hopeful. And that is also why Christ came to bring us the > >>Good > >>News. > > > > As you know, atheism is not a philosophy of life. > > You choose to lie about it. Why is that? > > Is your god so pitifully weak that he needs your help? Does he fail if > > no one lies for him? > > > Our Christian "God is love" and there is nothing "pitiful" about love. > Nor does love "lie". If atheism is not a philosophy of life, then why are > you wasting your life arguing against our philosophy of life, unless you > think your philosophy of life is better? > You just got yourself all muddled again. You are the muddled one, 'He' was supposed to have sent his only begotten son down to earth and then had him ascend up to a heaven somewhere [just above the clouds back then] 'Love' alone can do that? GROAN [stand by for more deviation] > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 15, 8:43�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 7:06�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 4:35?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Free Lunch wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > > > > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > > >> > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > > > > > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God. > > > > > > > > > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > > > > > > > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > > > > > > > > > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil > > > > > > > spirits. ?Why don't you make a list for us of the things that do not > > > > > > > show that there is a God? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > with pleasure > > > > > > > > [Preface] > > > > > > > > "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one > > > > > > fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible > > > > > > gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." > > > > > > [stephen Roberts] > > > > > > > Well, there is really no such thing as an atheist. Quote
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