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On Feb 23, 6:44�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Feb 21, 10:46 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > On Feb 21, 5:40?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

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On Feb 23, 7:07�am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:19:49 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >Well, actually, it does.

Posted

On Feb 23, 7:09�am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

>

>

>

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> >On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > > > ...

>

> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

Posted

On Feb 23, 7:10�am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:31:53 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

>

>

>

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> >On Feb 18, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > Bill M wrote:

> >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message

> >> > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> >> > So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,

> >> > you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> IDIOT there is nothing to show your Jesus said anything other than what other

> >> foolish humans like you have claimed

>

> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

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> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> >Well, here we have another statement from an atheist denying the

> >existence of the Bible.

>

>

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On Feb 23, 11:05�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 12:18 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com>, i. e., Winnie thePooh, wrote:

>

>

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On Feb 23, 11:18�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 11:16

> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

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> > On Feb 20, 11:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> > wrote:

> >> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007

> >> 10:58 pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

> >> > On Feb 20, 9:28?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >> >> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007

> >> >> 7:40 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

> >> >> > On Feb 20, 4:41?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

> >> >> > wrote:

> >> >> >> Darrell Stec wrote:

> >> >> >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February

> >> >> >> > 2007 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

> >> >> >> > > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to

> >> >> >> > > brighten your day.

>

> >> >> >> > Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four

> >> >> >> > people or schools writing under the name of Isaiah and

> >> >> >> > throughout several centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a

> >> >> >> > composition by many not the work of one man.

>

> >> >> >> "... the Bible was a collection of books written at different

> >> >> >> times by different men, a strange mixture of diverse human

> >> >> >> documents, and a tissue of irreconcilable notions. Inspired?

> >> >> >> The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good

> >> >> >> craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions."

> >> >> >> [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism"]

>

> >> >> > Sorry, Darrell, no one can fake writing like Isaiah. ??He was

> >> >> > the only one who wrote the way he wrote.

> >> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> >> How can you make statements like that? ??You can't read the Hebrew

> >> >> it was written in. ??Even several of my bibles explicity state

> >> >> that Isaiah was written by a minimum of three different schools or

> >> >> persons. ??The grammar and syntax varies in style (and content)

> >> >> among those writers. You can't read the originals, nor understand

> >> >> the fine nuances of the Hebrew language. ??Can you name any real

> >> >> biblical scholar of today who shares your viewpoint?

>

> >> >> Your own LDS scholars do not agree with you. ??Note: "John

> >> >> Tvedtnes, senior project manager for FARMS, has written technical

> >> >> studies on Hebraisms and Isaiah variants in the Book of Mormon."

> >> >> which can be found

> >> >> athttp://www.apologeticsindex.org/cpoint10-2.html.

>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Later,

> >> >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>

> >> > I do not really care what some college boys think. ??The key to

> >> > Isaiah is in the pattern of the words. ??Same pattern as Matthew

> >> > 6:9-13. Robert B. Winn

>

> >> What arrogance!!!! You who admittedly have little to no education

> >> dismisses with the stroke of a keyboard what biblical scholars of his

> >> own faith have researched. ??What biblical scholars do you think have

> >> no education? ??Do you live in the Deep South Bible Belt. ??You would

> >> be at home by all those ignoramuses that oft repeat, "Book larnin'

> >> ain't nuthin'"

>

> >> Besides you are utterly daft. ??Why lie like that when anyone with

> >> half a brain and fairly decent eyesight can read the passages in

> >> question and know for a fact they are not identical. ??That is why

> >> Matthew has been said to have concatenated the passages in question.

>

> >> --

> >> Later,

> >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>

> > What arrogance?

Posted

On Feb 23, 11:40�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 11:14

> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

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>

>

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> > On Feb 20, 11:22?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> > wrote:

> >> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007

> >> 10:03 pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

> >> > On Feb 16, 6:36?am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> >> >> In alt.atheism On 15 Feb 2007 18:35:15 -0800, "rbwinn"

> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >> >> >On Feb 15, 5:00?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com>

> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:24:28 -0800, "rbwinn"

> >> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >> >> >> >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com>

> >> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn"

> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch

> >> >> >> >> >> <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On

> >> >> >> >> >> 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>

> >> >> >> >> >> ...]

>

> >> >> >> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the

> >> >> >> >> >> messiah predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to

> >> >> >> >> >> bring peace, to bring comfort to the wretched, to heal

> >> >> >> >> >> the earth; but nowhere in the Old Testament does it say

> >> >> >> >> >> he will be worshiped as a god.

>

> >> >> >> >> >Isaiah 9:6

>

> >> >> >> >> ?? See Is 8:3. That is the child spoken of in Is 9:6.

>

> >> >> >> >No, sorry.

>

> >> >> >> ?? ?? Sorry, but it's true. Only if one takes Is 9:6 completely

> >> >> >> out of context can it be applied to jesus. Will you admit to

> >> >> >> taking Is 9:6 completely out of context?

>

> >> >> >> Don

>

> >> >> >Well, let's work over to it, Don. ??

>

> >> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? No, there's no working over to it. The fact is that

> >> >> the child born in Is 8:3 fills the prophecy from Is 7:14 and is

> >> >> being lauded from Is 8:5 on, continuing through Is 9.

>

> >> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? Interesting note: if you read Is 9:1-2 and then find

> >> >> Matt 4:12-16, you'll see how the former verses were concatenated

> >> >> to invent a prophecy that doesn't actually exist.

>

> >> > Well, as an apostle, Matthew certainly had the authority to say

> >> > what Isaiah meant by his prophecy.

> >> > So what is your authority to say that Matthew was concatenating

> >> > something?

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> One does not need an authority to see what can be easily demonstrated

> >> by reading the two passages oneself. ??Try it. ??The only way you

> >> could come to any other conclusion but that Matthew concatenated two

> >> verses is if you are subject to doublespeak. ??See Orwell's 1984 if

> >> you are unfamiliar with the term.

>

> >> --

> >> Later,

> >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>

> > Well, it does not really mean anything in this context.

Posted

On Feb 23, 11:46�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 9:59

> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

>

>

>

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> > On Feb 17, 10:49?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 16, 10:10?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > Free Lunch wrote:

> >> > > > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> >> > > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > > ...

>

> >> > > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ??ou have

> >> > > > >> >consistently maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>

> >> > > > >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted

> >> > > > >> text -

>

> >> > > > >You atheists all play the same game. ??If you want to claim

> >> > > > >the Bible does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.

> >> > > > >Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > > Once again you lie.

>

> >> > > > You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does

> >> > > > not exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot

> >> > > > be honest and admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of

> >> > > > anything. It is just one of many religious texts that is held

> >> > > > in high regard by one religion or another. There is no evidence

> >> > > > that the Bible is any more true than the Q'ran or any other

> >> > > > religious text.

>

> >> > > > We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false

> >> > > > claim that there is something special about it.

>

> >> > > > Stop your lies.

>

> >> > > It's a 'backs to the wall' reaction - pure and simple- Hide

> >> > > quoted text -

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> >> > > - Show quoted text -

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> >> > I want to be watching when you try to run your game on Jesus

> >> > Christ. Robert B. Winn

>

> >> Lunacy laced with arrogance and vindictiveness.

>

> >> ...........and YOU wonder why there are atheists- Hide quoted text -

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> >> - Show quoted text -

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> > No, I don't wonder why there are atheists.

Posted

On Feb 23, 11:52�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 10:07

> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

>

>

>

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> > On Feb 17, 10:56?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 17, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

> >> > > >wrote:

> >> > > >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > ...

> >> > > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted

> >> > > >> > > text -

>

> >> > > >> > You atheists all play the same game. ?? ?? ??f you want to

> >> > > >> > claim the Bible does not exist go ahead and say it does not

> >> > > >> > exist. Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > >> Well Christian 'Nut cases' sure do- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > >Well, here is a verse from Isaiah to cheer you up, Bob.

> >> > > >Isaiah 1:25 ??And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely

> >> > > >purge thy dross, and take away all thy tin.

>

> >> > > Clearly Isaiah was talking to you.

>

> >> > I still have tin, Lunch.

> >> > Isaiah 2:2 ??And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the

> >> > mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the

> >> > mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations

> >> > shall flow unto it.

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> Yes that is where the primitives thought their god was, just above

> >> the clouds atop of the nearest mountain.

>

> >> One reason, of course, why the Moses myth was written, [with no

> >> witnesses] about his so called ??meeting with his god. ??Moses, like

> >> all prophets, was a charlatan; IOW 'a liar' [assuming of course that

> >> Moses actually existed.]- Hide quoted text -

>

> > Well, why don't you just wait until after the resurrection and tell

> > Moses your complaints in person?

>

> I am sure Bob has great comfort in knowing that you believe he will be

> in the same place as Moses and that Moses will devote a part of

> eternity to carry on a conversation with him, just as I am comforted by

> your believe I will end up in the same place as Matthew and that

> Matthew will devote part of his eternity to carry on a conversation

> with me.

>

> Sorry that I forgot to mention all the other readers here who can take

> great comfort in knowing that Robert believes they are going to heaven

> to talk with the saints.

Posted

On Feb 23, 11:56�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 10:53

> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

>

>

>

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> > On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > > > ...

>

> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. ??Lincoln

> >> > > > > >said on several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>

> >> > > > > Source with complete context please.

>

> >> > > > I can give you the original source. ??Talk to Abraham Lincoln

> >> > > > after the resurrection. ??He can tell you in person.

> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time -

> >> > > what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??No need to get irrational.

> >> > Isaiah 2:17 ??And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the

> >> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be

> >> > exalted in that day.

> >> > ?? Robert B. Winn

>

> >> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

> >> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle of

> >> primitives

>

> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

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> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were

> > monkeys telling me to grow up.

>

> Why do you think you can tell us what Bob thinks?

Posted

On Feb 23, 12:01�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 11:29

> pm Free Lunch perhaps from l...@nofreelunch.us wrote:

>

>

>

>

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> > On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > <1172202832.147991.191...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>:

> >>On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >>> rbwinn wrote:

> >>> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >>> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >>> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >>> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >>> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >>> > > > > ...

>

> >>> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

Posted

On Feb 23, 12:05�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 7:09 am

> rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Feb 22, 9:29?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1172202832.147991.191...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> >On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

> >> >> > wrote:

> >> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> >> > > > > ...

>

> >> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. ??incoln

> >> >> > > > > >said on several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>

> >> >> > > > > Source with complete context please.

>

> >> >> > > > I can give you the original source. ??alk to Abraham Lincoln

> >> >> > > > after the resurrection. ??e can tell you in person.

> >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> >> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time -

> >> >> > > what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> >> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??o need to get irrational.

> >> >> > Isaiah 2:17

>

> >> nd the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the

>

> >> >> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall

> >> >> > be exalted in that day.

> >> >> > ??Robert B. Winn

>

> >> >> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

> >> >> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle

> >> >> of primitives

>

> >> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> >> >How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were

> >> >monkeys telling me to grow up.

>

> >> We do share our ancestry with the great apes, all other mammals and

> >> the rest of the organisms in the world. Only liars claim otherwise.-

> >> Hide quoted text -

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> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > Well, since you say that Jesus Christ is a liar, why don't you discuss

> > your accusation with him when he returns to judge the earth?

>

> Wow!!! You must have some unique and special bible.

Posted

On Feb 23, 12:11�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 7:16 am

> rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>

>

>

>

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> > On Feb 22, 9:44?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

> >> > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> > > > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > > > > > ...

>

> >> > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

> >> > > > > > > >??Lincoln said on several occasions that he believed the

> >> > > > > > > >Bible.

>

> >> > > > > > > Source with complete context please.

>

> >> > > > > > I can give you the original source. ??Talk to Abraham

> >> > > > > > Lincoln after the resurrection. ??He can tell you in

> >> > > > > > person. Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time

> >> > > > > - what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??No need to get irrational.

> >> > > > Isaiah 2:17 ??And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and

> >> > > > the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone

> >> > > > shall be exalted in that day.

> >> > > > ?? Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

> >> > > verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle

> >> > > of primitives

>

> >> > > Grow up- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were

> >> > monkeys telling me to grow up.

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> Chimps have 98% of the same genes as homo sapiens

>

> >> whether you like it or not, that is where you came from- Hide quoted

> >> text -

>

> > That is not where I come from.

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On Feb 23, 12:49�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

wrote:

> After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 7:38 am

> rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

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>

>

> > On Feb 22, 10:22?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> >> rbwinn wrote:

> >> > On Feb 16, 7:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> > > On 16 Feb 2007 17:53:22 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > > <1171677202.265303.67...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > > >On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> > > >> On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb

> >> > > >> 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > > >> > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young

> >> > > >> > > > <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > >> snip

>

> >> > > >> > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide

> >> > > >> > > quoted text -

>

> >> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> > > >> > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at

> >> > > >> > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently. ??t

> >> > > >> > did not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he arrived

> >> > > >> > home in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it happened, he was

> >> > > >> > not so sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?stegn -

>

> >> > > >> Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what

> >> > > >> people thought back then are not evidence.

>

> >> > > >Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas?

> >> > > >Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured

> >> > > >with the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

>

> >> > > And you arrogantly think that you are the one to interpret it and

> >> > > apply it here.- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> > I did not interpret anything. ??I just quoted the scripture the way

> >> > it was written.

> >> > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> you mean

> >> 'how the last translator conceptualized the previous translator's

> >> work, don't you?- Hide quoted text -

>

> > You do not know a lot about the Jews, do you?

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Posted

After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 9:43 pm

rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 23, 12:05?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 7:09

>> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 22, 9:29?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> <1172202832.147991.191...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> >On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

>> >> >> > wrote:

>> >> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

>> >> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us>

>> >> >> > > > wrote:

>> >> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> >> > > > >

<1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> >> > > > > ...

>>

>> >> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

>> >> >> > > > > >??incoln said on several occasions that he believed

>> >> >> > > > > >the Bible.

>>

>> >> >> > > > > Source with complete context please.

>>

>> >> >> > > > I can give you the original source. ??alk to Abraham

>> >> >> > > > Lincoln after the resurrection. ??e can tell you in

>> >> >> > > > person. Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> >> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third

>> >> >> > > time - what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> >> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??o need to get

>> >> >> > irrational. Isaiah 2:17

>>

>> >> nd the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the

>>

>> >> >> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone

>> >> >> > shall be exalted in that day.

>> >> >> > ??Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> >> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

>> >> >> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a

>> >> >> gaggle of primitives

>>

>> >> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> >> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> >How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors

>> >> >were monkeys telling me to grow up.

>>

>> >> We do share our ancestry with the great apes, all other mammals

>> >> and the rest of the organisms in the world. Only liars claim

>> >> otherwise.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> > Well, since you say that Jesus Christ is a liar, why don't you

>> > discuss your accusation with him when he returns to judge the

>> > earth?

>>

>> Wow!!! You must have some unique and special bible. ??Where in it

>> does Joshua discuss the evolutionary tree of life. ??Please quote

>> chapter and verse. ??If he never did (and according to the many

>> bibles I have here, he never did, then he could not be called a liar

>> because he never discusses the topic.

>>

>> I await your exact quotes of scripture where Joshua discusses the

>> tree of life, with bated breath.

>>

>> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> --

>> Later,

>> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>

> Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.

 

You brought up Joshua the oiled one and said he denied evolution. I

asked for the scripture where he said that. Whether he was the son of

god or not has no bearing on your assertion. Incidentally he never

said he was the son of god and at the same time said all humans are

sons of god. You're still shooting with a handicap.

> Robert B. Winn

 

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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 9:41 pm

rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 23, 12:01?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007

>> 11:29 pm Free Lunch perhaps from l...@nofreelunch.us wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> > <1172202832.147991.191...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>:

>> >>On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >>> rbwinn wrote:

>> >>> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

>> >>> > wrote:

>> >>> > > rbwinn wrote:

>> >>> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >>> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >>> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >>> > > > > ...

>>

>> >>> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

>> >>> > > > > >??incoln said on several occasions that he believed the

>> >>> > > > > >Bible.

>>

>> >>> > > > > Source with complete context please.

>>

>> >>> > > > I can give you the original source. ??alk to Abraham

>> >>> > > > Lincoln after the resurrection. ??e can tell you in person.

>> >>> > > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >>> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time

>> >>> > > - what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >>> > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >>> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??o need to get irrational.

>> >>> > Isaiah 2:17

>> > nd the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the

>> >>> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall

>> >>> > be exalted in that day.

>> >>> > ??Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >>> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

>> >>> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle

>> >>> of primitives

>>

>> >>> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >>> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >>How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were

>> >>monkeys telling me to grow up.

>>

>> > We do share our ancestry with the great apes, all other mammals and

>> > the rest of the organisms in the world. Only liars claim otherwise.

>>

>> Yes, but Robert is wrong when he claims people who accept evolution

>> believe homo sapiens came from monkeys. ??He understands nothing

>> about the topic yet he is willing to arrogantly pontificate against

>> it. Anyone who accepts the theory of evolution as explaining the

>> facts but at the same time thinks humans came from monkeys draws from

>> the same well of ignorance and idiocy as Robert. ??Luckily, those of

>> us who do understand the ToE do not think that.

>>

>> --

> Well, I would agree that they do not think. They just repeat

> whatever they think people might accept.

 

Bobbie boy, you've missed the point completely. The point is that the

Theory of Evolution does not say homo sapiens comes from monkeys. Only

you and others like you that have never studied science would say that.

That is the point. I'm sorry you are suffering with the handicap of

abject ignorance. You might consider an education.

> Robert B. Winn

 

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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 9:39 pm

rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 23, 11:56?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007

>> 10:53 pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>

>> >> > wrote:

>> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> > > > > ...

>>

>> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

>> >> > > > > >??Lincoln said on several occasions that he believed the

>> >> > > > > >Bible.

>>

>> >> > > > > Source with complete context please.

>>

>> >> > > > I can give you the original source. ??Talk to Abraham

>> >> > > > Lincoln after the resurrection. ??He can tell you in person.

>> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time -

>> >> > > what a wally- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. ??No need to get irrational.

>> >> > Isaiah 2:17 ??And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and

>> >> > the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone

>> >> > shall be exalted in that day.

>> >> > ?? Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,

>> >> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle

>> >> of primitives

>>

>> >> Grow up- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> > How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were

>> > monkeys telling me to grow up.

>>

>> Why do you think you can tell us what Bob thinks? ??Is there some

>> post which Bob made in which he says he thinks his ancestors were

>> monkeys?

>>

>> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> --

>> Later,

>> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com

>>

>> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com

>> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Bob not only said his ancestors were monkeys, he tried to convince me

> that mine were.

> Robert B. Winn

 

You are outright lying. If you weren't you would have provided a link

to the post in which he said that. The fact is Bob never said it. You

are lying. Doesn't lying get you a direct ticket to hell?

 

Prove me wrong by providing a link to the post where Bob said his

ancestors were monkeys and further show us where he tried to convince

you of the same. I found no such post by Bob in a Google search.

 

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:53:59 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

wrote:

- Refer: <22sut2l9d53qsmalj04ihlvlsp0hu1101h@4ax.com>

>On 23 Feb 2007 04:08:42 -0800, in alt.atheism

>"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

><1172232522.728606.101860@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>>On Feb 22, 9:28?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>>> On 22 Feb 2007 19:19:49 -0800, in alt.atheism

>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>>> <1172200789.128447.246...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:

>

>...

>

>>> >Well, actually, it does. Paul stated that in the last days men would

>>> >be turned to fables, being unable to abide sound doctrine.

>>>

>>> Since you teach things that have no evidence to back them, why would I

>>> think your teachings are sound doctrine?- Hide quoted text -

>>>

>>It does not matter much what an atheist thinks. Since you have alread

>>declared your opposition to God, there is really not much reason to

>>even talk to you. I just do it to be polite.

>

>If you would look back, you would see that I have never stated that I am

>opposed to God. That is a claim that you invented. Why would you make

>things up like this?

 

Because he is so used to getting unquestioned dispensation for lies in

support of his fraudulent fantasies, that it is second nature to him.

That is why.

 

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:02:10 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

wrote:

- Refer: <eisut2l8unlhed9ti8mepil1dcdkoojumh@4ax.com>

>On 23 Feb 2007 04:21:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

>"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

><1172233293.851121.149140@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>:

>>On Feb 22, 9:52?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>>> "thomas p." wrote:

>>> > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>> > > On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>>> > snip

>>>

>>> > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently

>>> > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>>>

>>> > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes

>>> > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text -

>>>

>>> > > > - Show quoted text -

>>>

>>> > > Well, let's get right to it. n what way do you acknowedge that the

>>> > > Bible exists?

>ob has a list that he keeps posting. �oes the Bible

>>> > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?

>>>

>>> > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.

>>>

>>> The fact that he exists confirms it- Hide quoted text -

>>>

>>Ask a question an atheist does not want to answer, and he will call

>>you a fool.

>

>You are a fool. You are the one who foolishly claims that there are

>atheists who deny that the Bible exists. You are a tremendous fool.

 

This atheist connot deny that the Bible exists.

I must own more than 30 or so, in various languages.

 

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:03:45 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

wrote:

- Refer: <iksut292bes3l6vbipk2211132p6hjvmm4@4ax.com>

>On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:48:24 +1030, in alt.atheism

>Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in

><p85tt21v7s8ma863a82duja9b2vgas289s@4ax.com>:

>>On 22 Feb 2007 23:18:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>>wrote:

>> - Refer: <45DE7890.EB33D1FB@netvigator.com>

>>>

>>>

>>>Pastor Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>>>> news:bedkt25jc2k340fjstt9r0ftctvkun83ns@4ax.com...

>>>> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:36:48 +0800, in alt.atheism

>>>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>>>> > <45d8c8cc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Thanks for proving my point. So you disbelieve what I just said, as

>>>> >>usual, and are now claiming that atheism is a belief system, instead of a

>>>> >>disbelief system. Let's see you prove that. Either prove it, or admit

>>>> >>your

>>>> >>just lying for atheism again.

>>>> >

>>>> > You are the one who calls atheism a belief system. I call you on your

>>>> > lie. Atheism is not a form of belief. Lack of belief is not a system.

>>>> > You know that. You appear to like lying. Why is that?

>>>> >

>>>> Why is what? You proved no "lie". I agreed with you above, that atheism

>>>> is not a belief system. It's however a DISbelief system, for you are forever

>>>> listing all the things you don't believe and never get around to telling us

>>>> anything about what you DO believe.

>>>

>>>I believe that a fair proportion of religionists demonstrate constantly that

>>>they are liars and

>>>charlatans. That's what I believe

>>

>>I do NOT believe that.

>>Unless by "fair proprtion", you mean exactly 100%

>

>I think you are being far too hard on religionists. Some of them, Albert

>Schweitzer for example, were wonderful people who have done great things

>for the world (whether or not they were religious).

 

I hear what you say, but even Albert Schweitzer had to lie outright

about reality and science to be a Christian.

Whatever great works he may have performed, that in no way takes away

from the fact that he had to lie to himself, and others, to remain a

Christian.

In his case, it is a far worse crime, as he didn't have the excuse of

ignorance.

 

You seem to be saying that I should not call certain people liars, not

because they don't lie, but because they are otherwise good, or

because it is politically correct?

 

Sorry.

That ain't my way.

A liar is a liar.

 

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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 9:59 pm

rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 23, 12:49?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

> wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 February 2007 7:38

>> am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 22, 10:22?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > On Feb 16, 7:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> > > On 16 Feb 2007 17:53:22 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > <1171677202.265303.67...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> > > >On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>> >> > > >> On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On

>> >> > > >> Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > >> > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young

>> >> > > >> > > > <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > >> snip

>>

>> >> > > >> > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.-

>> >> > > >> > > Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > >> > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at

>> >> > > >> > thattime, you might have seen it a little differently.

>> >> > > >> > ??t did not seem like a miracle to Sennacherrib after he

>> >> > > >> > arrived home in Ninevah safe and sound, but when it

>> >> > > >> > happened, he was not so sure. Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst

>> >> > > >> > i anf?stegn -

>>

>> >> > > >> Sorry boobie but your fantasies about what happened or what

>> >> > > >> people thought back then are not evidence.

>>

>> >> > > >Well, why don't we go right to what Isaiah wrote, Thomas?

>> >> > > >Isaiah 1:20 ??But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be

>> >> > > >devoured with the sword, for the mouth of the Lord hath

>> >> > > >spoken it.

>>

>> >> > > And you arrogantly think that you are the one to interpret it

>> >> > > and apply it here.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> > I did not interpret anything. ??I just quoted the scripture the

>> >> > way it was written.

>> >> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> you mean

>> >> 'how the last translator conceptualized the previous translator's

>> >> work, don't you?- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> > You do not know a lot about the Jews, do you? ??They prided

>> > themselves on not changing scripture. ??

>>

>> There goes that arrogance again. ??Why do you pontificate upon that

>> which you know little to nothing? ??Do you know how may different

>> versions of the Hebrew bible there were? ??In each of those, some

>> verses were deleted, some verses were added and words were outright

>> changed and that doesn't even begin to address all the various

>> misspellings and scribal errors. ??Even the link I provided show that

>> in the book of Isaiah alone there were 40,000 differences between the

>> Hebrew Great Isaiah Scroll of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic

>> Text. ??And ther were even more among the other Hebrew texts of

>> Isaiah found in the DDS. And we haven't even begun to examine the

>> Samaritan Hebrew bible. ??To complicate matters further scholars know

>> that there were at least three different versions of the Greek Old

>> Testament (only one of which survives today).

>>

>> But because you are ignorant of the Hebrew and Greek you cannot see

>> that for yourself and cannot follow the conversations of the Jewish

>> scholar who showed the differences letter by letter in the link which

>> I provided.

>>

>> > They were not always successful, but they

>> > had no overriding motive to change meanings the way atheists of

>> > today have.

>>

>> Of course they did. ??There was no one, single, unifying Jewish

>> movement throughout the whole of history. ??There were many Jewish

>> philosophies throughout history and Christianity developed from one

>> of them. ??Each had a motive for changing scripture.

>>

>> But even more to the point, you are not discussing the Hebrew bible

>> because by your own admission you are not equipted to do that.

>> ??Rather you are discussing an interpretation and translation of the

>> Hebrew and Greek scriptures. ??And to make matters worse, the

>> translation you use and worship was developed from very, very late

>> Hebrew and Greek manuscripts including two which were only completed

>> a decade before that translation was made and the Hebrew version

>> which was only 400 years old.

>>

>> You have no ammunition for this discussion. ??Even more to your

>> discredit, you do not even have a gun to fire it from. ??And upon

>> further consideration -- not even the arms to use the gun. ??You are

>> handicapped in any discussion of biblical scholarship, and that comes

>> from your own admissions.

>>

>> > Robert B. Winn

>>

> Well, what you say only proves me correct. If the book of Isaiah has

> gone through all you say it has and still has the pattern of language

> in English that proves it was all written by Isaiah, then what are you

> talking about? There is a pattern in the structure of what Isaiah

> wrote that identifies all of his writings.

> When college professors claim that at least four people wrote the

> book, or when atheists claim that there were schools of people

> manufacturing the book, they are only showing their ignorance. No one

> else writes the way Isaiah writes.

> Robert B. Winn

 

How would you know? You can't read Hebrew. A translation from Hebrew

to English will not bring out the finer points of syntax, grammer

usage, anachronisms, nor word usage.

 

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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:35:13 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net>

> wrote:

>

> >Yes, nevertheless, the practice of polygamy places these Mormon

> >offshoots outside the Christian fold.

>

> Marriage itself does. Paul allows for it, but says that good

> Christians should be celibate.

>

I do not believe this! It this were true, Christianity would have

disappeared.

 

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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:42:49 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net>

> wrote:

>

> >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

> >news:dpspt2psl16pe3u967lm8clsfauv951lvf@4ax.com...

> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:25:22 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net>

> >> wrote:

>

> >> > Even where there is no belief

> >> >system or nothing nothing in common with the majority of

> >> >Christians.

>

> >> They follow Jesus - that, and the fact that they claim to be Christian

> >> makes them Christian. You certainly aren't the one appointed to

> >> decide who's Christian and who isn't.

>

> >You are right, all I can say is that pologamy places them outside

> >the Triditional Christian fold.

>

> If by "traditional" you mean "what Jesus, Paul and the Bible authors

> said" (as opposed to what American Christians actually practice), so

> does lying, cheating on your taxes, marriage, eating meat and milk

> together, wearing clothing of mixed fabric, crop rotation and a few

> hundred other things that are considered normal.

>

> >Again this is about LDS offshoots.

>

> Which, by judging others, prove to be less Christian than those they

> judge.

>

No judgment, just an opinion.

 

Dan

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On 23 Feb 2007 18:27:40 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

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>On Feb 23, 11:46?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>

>wrote:

>> After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 9:59

>> pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Feb 17, 10:49?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > On Feb 16, 10:10?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>> >> > > Free Lunch wrote:

>> >> > > > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>> >> > > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> > > > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> >> > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> >> > > > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> >> > > > ...

>>

>> >> > > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ??ou have

>> >> > > > >> >consistently maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>>

>> >> > > > >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted

>> >> > > > >> text -

>>

>> >> > > > >You atheists all play the same game. ??If you want to claim

>> >> > > > >the Bible does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.

>> >> > > > >Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > > > Once again you lie.

>>

>> >> > > > You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does

>> >> > > > not exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot

>> >> > > > be honest and admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of

>> >> > > > anything. It is just one of many religious texts that is held

>> >> > > > in high regard by one religion or another. There is no evidence

>> >> > > > that the Bible is any more true than the Q'ran or any other

>> >> > > > religious text.

>>

>> >> > > > We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false

>> >> > > > claim that there is something special about it.

>>

>> >> > > > Stop your lies.

>>

>> >> > > It's a 'backs to the wall' reaction - pure and simple- Hide

>> >> > > quoted text -

>>

>> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> >> > I want to be watching when you try to run your game on Jesus

>> >> > Christ. Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> Lunacy laced with arrogance and vindictiveness.

>>

>> >> ...........and YOU wonder why there are atheists- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> > No, I don't wonder why there are atheists. �atan has never had

>> > trouble on this earth finding people to speak for him.

>>

>> Momons can follow Satan.

hristians and Moslems can follow Satan.

>> However by their very definition atheists cannot follow Satan.

>> Atheists believe in no gods.

ccording to scripture Satan is like

>> Yahweh the son of the god El. �e is one of the 70 sons of El and a

>> member of the council of gods. �e is according to scripture Yahweh's

>> brother and uncle to Joshua.

y the very fact that Satan is a god

>> atheists do not believe he exits. �ne cannot follow that which does

>> not exist.

>>

>> > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> --

>> Later,

>> Darrell Stec $ars...@neo.rr.com

>>

>> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com

>> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

>Well, if you say Satan does not exist, you are speaking for Satan. If

>that is not following Satan, what is it?

 

What tendentious nonsense. You don't get to make an assertion that you

have absolutely no evidence to support and then claim that all who

disagree with you are supporting your imaginary invention.

 

When you provide evidence that Satan exists, then I will believe you,

until then, I will conclude that are you are incapable of either telling

the truth or knowing the truth.

Guest Dan@V.A.
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:49:45 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

> >news:8mtpt2po57hlr9udcaoh7sdugsdsu3885r@4ax.com...

> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:42:10 -0500, "Dan@V.A." <danW@bellsouth.net>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> >You don't know what you are talking about. An analogy is water.

> >> >It can be liquid, gas or solid. But it still one. Same with the

Christian

> >> >concept of their God.

> >>

> >> The same water can't exist in all 3 states at the same time - the

> >> Christian god is supposed to.

> >>

> >A melting glacier is ice with water running off and water vapors

> >escaping into the atmosphere. This I've seen.

>

> But you haven't seen THE SAME water being in all 3 phases at the same

> time. Some of it is ice, some liquid water and some vapor. The

> analogy is, at best, very flawed.

>

Actually I have. It's all of the same body of H2O!

>

> >> And the independent objective evidence that the Christian Bible is

> >> correct is???

>

> >Whether it is or not, is another issue. But the two scripture differ

> >on the birthplace of the two Christs.

>

> Meaning nothing. They can both be wrong. Either one can be correct.

> They can both be correct. (Are you limiting an omnipotent god?)

>

It's impossible physically to be two places at the same time.

>

> >> >> Fortunately for you, if all you cults and sects and denominations

> >> >> weren't arguing with us beloved atheists, you'd be burning each

other

> >> >> at the stake.

>

> >> >This is BS. How can you be so asinine?

>

> >> He can read history. Christians have been killing Christians for

> >> 2,000 years.

>

> >You live in the past, I live in the present.

>

> In the present Christianity is arguing with outsiders. If, in the

> present, there were no outsiders to argue with, history shows us that

> Christians would be arguing with each other.

>

I disagree, Methodist, Baptist, Luthererns etc. have very little to disagree

about.

>

> > I look around, I do not

> >see Methodist, Baptist Lutherans, Presbyterians or Catholics killing

> >each other.

>

> You don't look around at a world in which they have no outsiders to

> kill. Or have you forgotten the history of the past 100 years?

 

Again you are living in the past. Come into the present.

 

Dr. Dan Wood, DDS

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