Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:00:13 -0600, "Piedmont" <no@spam.net> wrote: >Text copied from: http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of software >titled: "Ocean" > >PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD > >One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the fact >that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is another >than himself. Question-begging stupidity. Do you have any other reason to post this idiocy other than to show the rest of the world that you are a mindless retard? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > would make itself known. > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have > anything to support your strange belief? > Robert B. Winn This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of any god. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 12 Feb., 20:28, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:30�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > wrote: > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > exist. > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > I would call it a story. ?Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > more than that? > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. ?Pathetic! > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. I do not believe you, and you have offered no evidence. No, the Bible is not evidence. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 04:38, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > actually > > > > > exist. > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > more than that? > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > Robert B. Winn > > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. You cannot change history by > saying it did not happen. The resurrection is a story not documented history. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 04:41, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:30�pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > > > > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > >> wrote: > > > >> > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >> >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > >> > > actual > > > ly > > >> > > exist. > > > >> > What do you call resurrection? > > > >> An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at least > > >> forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of > > >> those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by Irenaeus > > >> in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first > > >> few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration by > > >> contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as > > >> writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these were > > >> written (well after the Jewish revolt). > > > >> > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > >> > The Anthropic Principle > > > >> <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> > > > >> Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a > > >> perfect fit". > > > >> Bill > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid, > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as > > > fiction in the second century also? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter > books. Now you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. Did > they just materialize, or were they written also? Of course they were written and by people just like the Harry Potter books. Do you have any evidence that the Bible is not just a collection of books written by people just like any other book? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > thousands..... > > > Bob > > Humanist Brit. > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 05:11, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 8:55?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > > > more than that? > > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. ? You cannot change history by > > > saying it did not happen. > > > Robert B. Winn.... > > > ...and you cannot, or refuse, to face facts. > > > Who has the brains and inteligence ? ?You or Bill M ??- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I have enough intelligence to discern between truth and fiction. > Jesus Christ is truth, your stories are fiction. What is your evidence? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 05:18, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 8:58?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Bill M wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > actually > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > > more than that? > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > > just that - myths and fables! > > > Yup - He rose again and ascended to heaven to sit by god the Father....... > > whatever........ > > > [Heaven back then was just above the clouds where we now fly commercial > > aircraft !] > > > Yet humans in the year 2007 still swallow this silly nonsense. ?Why? > > Because another human [very often their mother] told them to. > > > Who wants to call their parents liars and deceivers?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, the problem with your version is that it is just not > believable. A perfect example of unconscious humor. >According to you all a person has to do to succeed is to > find fault with Jesus Christ. Since he never said that, you are lying; or you do not know how to read. >Satan can do just as well, and he is > nothing but an evil spirit. Just like the boogieman. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Of course it exists, > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading > it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read > it? Why not post evidence instead? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Of course it exists, > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading > it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read > it? I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different languages. There is still no evidence that it is true. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 "thomas p." wrote: > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have > > anything to support your strange belief? > > Robert B. Winn > > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of > any god. Christians don't believe there are contradictions in the bible. Why? Because it's not written in the bible that there are any. [With acknowledgments to Andrew W.] Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:13�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > Quote
Guest bill.m.thomas@gmail.com Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 13, 4:50 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:31?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171292648.170953.150200@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com: > > > > On Feb 11, 9:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Feb 11, 3:20?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > >> > > actually exist. > > > >> > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective > > >> > > verifiable evidence that no Gods actually exist. > > > >> > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 > > >> > > BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light > > >> > > travels at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is > > >> > > incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our World, is but a > > >> > > speck of dust in this vast Universe. > > > >> > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS > > >> > > old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for > > >> > > approximately 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible > > >> > > were written, most of mankind believed the world was flat and the > > >> > > Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around the Earth. Many believed > > >> > > that Christopher Columbus might sail to the edge of the earth, and > > >> > > might fall off, during his trip that discovered the new continent. > > > >> > The question I have for you, Bill, is in measuring all of these huge > > >> > amounts of time, do you consider time to be relative or absolute? > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> Backs up against the wall again are we?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Your backs are always up against the wall. ?If you say absolute time, > > > then you agree with Isaac Newton's concept of the universe, which > > > scientists say they have discredited. ?If you say relative time, then > > > a day can be a billion years. ?Which do you prefer? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > We will work with proper time. Which is near enough to the time used with > > respect to historical events. > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, scientists do not work with proper time. They use sidereal > time and atomic time. So what is your use of proper time supposed to > mean? > Robert B. Winn Any scientist or mathematician familiar with special or general relativity knows exactly what is meant by proper time. A billion years of historical time is more or less equal to billion years of proper time for any observer or clock on the Earth's surface. The differences due to variation in the Earth's gravity and speed versus latitude are of no consequence for historical purposes. Your point was and is dead on arrival. Bill Quote
Guest bill.m.thomas@gmail.com Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 13, 4:53 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:33?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293511.193526.126780@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > On Feb 11, 9:57?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> "Semper Lib?r" wrote: > > >> > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > >> >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > >> > > actual > > > ly > > >> > > exist. > > > >> > What do you call resurrection? > > > >> A myth, or it was dreamed up by primitive clergy : > > > >> CURTAIN RISES > > > >> [Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple. > > > >> ?Brothers the flock are restless and I'm tired of them asking me 'Where > > > ?is the > > >> god you want us to pray to', they keep insisting on seeing him" > > > >> Rastus, [another priest]: > > > >> "I have the same problem, it's getting me down, they keep saying 'Where > > >> i > > > s he, > > >> produce him'. You know the Vishnus down the road have a wooden god in a > > >> h > > > ut and > > >> more and more people are going there to pray these days? > > > >> Influx [The Senior Priest]: > > > >> "Listen, let's invite that preacher fella Jesus to join us, he is > > >> popular > > > ?and > > >> he preaches well. We'll tell 'em he is god's son?. > > > >> Rastus. [Laughing] > > > >> ?Don't be silly, how can we say that, he's just a preacher, gods don't > > > send > > >> their sons down to earth. ?How do we say he got here?? > > > >> Influx. [Thinks] > > > >> ?Well we can tell them 'e was borne of a virgin. [scratches head] I'm s > > > ure we > > >> can find one somewhere, if we look hard enough. > > > >> Rastus. > > > >> That won't be any use, when 'e dies we'll have to start all over and > > >> find another 'son of a god', anyway, they are not going to buy that > > >> yarn of yo > > > urs a > > >> second time over! > > > >> Influx. [grins] > > > >> Aaah but listen. [Chuckles] When 'e dies we'll hide him away in a cave, > > >> s > > > teal > > >> the body in the middle of the night and then, listen to this, your > > >> gonna > > > love > > >> this, [nudges Rastus in the ribs] and then [hee hee] we'll tell 'em he > > >> fl > > > oated > > >> slowly up into the sky to heaven just above the clouds [raises arms and > > >> m > > > akes > > >> floating motions] and now sits up there on the right hand of god. > > > >> Fellas we'll have 'em in the palm of our hands for eternity. > > > >> [All priests together]: > > > >> "Spontaneous cheering?. > > > > Well, suppose there had been some priests like the ones in your > > > fictional account? ?Use of true events in the pursuit of priestcraft > > > is always possible. We already know that everyone, including priests, > > > commit sin, with the exception of Jesus Christ. ? What priests do does > > > not affect the life and atonement of Jesus Christ. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > The story says that a god being was inconvenienced for a day or two. How > > does that equal atonement. > > > Klamzon.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Jesus Christ accomplished the atonement all by himself. I guess you > never read the scripture, I have trodden the winepress alone. > Robert B. Winn A god being inconvenienced and temporarily killed atones for nothing. Bill Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:18�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:11:40 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171339900.469048.35...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:55?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > >> > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > >> > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > >> > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > >> > > > > > actually > >> > > > > > exist. > > >> > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > >> > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > >> > > > more than that? > > >> > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > >> > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > >> > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > >> > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > >> > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > >> > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. Quote
Guest bill.m.thomas@gmail.com Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 13, 4:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 4:30?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20?am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib?r" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > >> wrote: > > > >> > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >> >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > >> > > actual > > > ly > > >> > > exist. > > > >> > What do you call resurrection? > > > >> An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at least > > >> forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of > > >> those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by Irenaeus > > >> in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first > > >> few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration by > > >> contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as > > >> writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these were > > >> written (well after the Jewish revolt). > > > >> > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > >> > The Anthropic Principle > > > >> <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> > > > >> Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a > > >> perfect fit". > > > >> Bill > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid, > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as > > > fiction in the second century also? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter > books. Now you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. Did > they just materialize, or were they written also? > Robert B. Winn There is no knowledge of the authors of most of them. Some of Paul's letters have reasonable historical support that they were written by the main founder of Christianity aka Paul/Saul. The canonical gospels were anonymous documents which were not attributed until Irenaeus gave them titles. Bill Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1171370398.642281.183600@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 13, 4:50 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> On Feb 12, 4:31?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th >> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote >> > innews:1171292648.170953.150200@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com: >> > > On Feb 11, 9:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> > >> rbwinn wrote: >> > >> > On Feb 11, 3:20?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of >> > >> > > different >> > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these >> > >> > > Gods >> > >> > > actually exist. >> >> > >> > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective >> > >> > > verifiable evidence that no Gods actually exist. >> >> > >> > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 >> > >> > > BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light >> > >> > > travels at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is >> > >> > > incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our World, is but a >> > >> > > speck of dust in this vast Universe. >> >> > >> > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION >> > >> > > YEARS >> > >> > > old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth >> > >> > > for >> > >> > > approximately 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible >> > >> > > were written, most of mankind believed the world was flat and >> > >> > > the >> > >> > > Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around the Earth. Many believed >> > >> > > that Christopher Columbus might sail to the edge of the earth, >> > >> > > and >> > >> > > might fall off, during his trip that discovered the new >> > >> > > continent. >> >> > >> > The question I have for you, Bill, is in measuring all of these >> > >> > huge >> > >> > amounts of time, do you consider time to be relative or absolute? >> > >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> > >> Backs up against the wall again are we?- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > Your backs are always up against the wall. ?If you say absolute time, >> > > then you agree with Isaac Newton's concept of the universe, which >> > > scientists say they have discredited. ?If you say relative time, then >> > > a day can be a billion years. ?Which do you prefer? >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > We will work with proper time. Which is near enough to the time used >> > with >> > respect to historical events. >> >> > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Well, scientists do not work with proper time. They use sidereal >> time and atomic time. So what is your use of proper time supposed to >> mean? >> Robert B. Winn > > Any scientist or mathematician familiar with special or general > relativity knows exactly what is meant by proper time. A billion years > of historical time is more or less equal to billion years of proper > time for any observer or clock on the Earth's surface. The differences > due to variation in the Earth's gravity and speed versus latitude are > of no consequence for historical purposes. Your point was and is dead > on arrival. > We all agree, that the god(s) of you definition do indeed not exist. Now pay yourself a nickel for realizing that and go buy yourself a gumball. That should keep your mouth busy for a while, ...constructively. Btw. the God of Christ is a Spirit" which must be served in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24) And "Spirit" deals with qualities of attitudes which Christ demonstrated and for which we crucified Him. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 4:30�pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:27�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:30�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:28�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Donna wrote: > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:29�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:53�am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:34�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Donna wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:1171308436.546205.137980@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 12, 9:53?am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > > exist. > > > > Proof of God and Her Son will occur in the year 2009, in the > > > month of March. > > > > You have been warned so be prepared. > > > > DEM > > > The day and the hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven, but > > my Father only. > > Robert B. Winn > > > True, Mr. Winn, and my Father told me. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 In alt.atheism On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >Robert B. Winn Because that will never happen, since god is just a myth. Hint: threats--even myth-based--mean that you have no argument. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 13:51, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:18?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 Feb 2007 20:11:40 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171339900.469048.35...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > > >On Feb 12, 8:55?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > >> > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > >> > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >> > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > >> > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > >> > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > >> > > > > > actually > > >> > > > > > exist. > > > >> > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > >> > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > >> > > > more than that? > > > >> > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > >> > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > >> > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > > >> > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > >> > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > > >> > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. ?You cannot change history by > > >> > saying it did not happen. > > >> > Robert B. Winn.... > > > >> ...and you cannot, or refuse, to face facts. > > > >> Who has the brains and inteligence ? ?ou or Bill M ?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >I have enough intelligence to discern between truth and fiction. > > >Jesus Christ is truth, your stories are fiction. > > > You make that claim without a shred of evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So you are saying once again that the Bible does not exist. Johannes > Gutenburg would disagree with you. > Robert B. Winn- Once again he said nothing of the kind. Don't you understand what you read? Quote
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