Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:36�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:29:29 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171340969.769167.274...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > ?Not even just one? > > >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> > > > > would make itself known. > > >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > >> > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at least > > > > forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of > > > > those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by Irenaeus > > > > in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first > > > > few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration by > > > > contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as > > > > writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these were > > > > written (well after the Jewish revolt). > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> > > > > > Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a > > > > perfect fit". > > > > > Bill > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid, > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as > > > fiction in the second century also? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Isaiah exists in so much that it tells impossible tales designed to 'impress' > > the followrs of the day, and still does impress some folks with a warped sense > > of reasoning. > > > Isiah ch xxxvii vol 36 > > > Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote the camp of the Assyrians a > > hundred and fourscore and five thousand; and when they arose in the morning, > > behold, they were all dead corpses > > > Maybe your god's angel [groan] was too busy slaughtering humans to bother about > > having such a silly 'fau pas' left uncorrected- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, Bob, something obviously happened. The Assyrians took more than > twenty cities in their invasion of Judea. You can still go to the > ruins of Lachish and walk over the wall of the city on the ramp built > by the Assyrians for that purpose. But to quote Sennacherib himself, > he was so kind to Hezekiah, the king of Judea, that after holding him > prisoner in Jerusalem, he allowed him to pay tribute, and the > Assyrians returned to Ninevah. Does that sound like the truth to > you? Every other king who resisted the Assyrians was cut up in little > pieces and fed to the dogs. > The Bible says that 180,000 Assyrian soldiers were killed by an > angel. Besorus, a Chaldean historian quoted by Josephus, says that > 180,000 Assyrian soldiers died from plague. One thing for certain, > 180,000 Assyrian soldiers did not enter Jerusalem the way they entered > Lachish. > Before the Assyrian invasion, Lachish was the second most fortified > city in Judea. So why didn't the Assyrians take Jerusalem? > Surely, you educated people have some idea of what happened. What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 14:06, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:26�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 4:30�pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > > > <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > >> >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > > > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > >> > > actual > > > > > ly > > > > >> > > exist. > > > > > >> > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > >> An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at least > > > > >> forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of > > > > >> those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by Irenaeus > > > > >> in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first > > > > >> few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration by > > > > >> contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as > > > > >> writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these were > > > > >> written (well after the Jewish revolt). > > > > > >> > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > >> > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > >> <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> > > > > > >> Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a > > > > >> perfect fit". > > > > > >> Bill > > > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid, > > > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the > > > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as > > > > > fiction in the second century also? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That > > > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. > > > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter > > > books. ?Now you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. ?Did > > > they just materialize, or were they written also? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > They were ancient stories 'messed with' years after the said Jesus was supposed to have walked this > > earth before floating skywards, by priests, king's copywriters in fact anyone who badly needed a > > book that would 'impress' the people of the time and have them 'toe the line'. > > > Sadly it still does.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, according to the scrolls of Isaiah and other Old Testament > scrolls found at Qumran, what we have today is word for word what the > people who buried those scrolls had. How do you explain that? > Those people were Essenes, a Jewish sect. What is there to explain? The books were written by somebody. So what? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 14:08, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:27�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 9:30�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > I would call it a story. ?Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > > > more than that? > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. ?Pathetic! > > > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Produce evidence or shut up- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Bob, I have offed several times to send you a Bible. Either admit > that the Bible exists or admit that you do not want to talk about the > Bible. The Bibles exist. They are not evidence for any god. Stop being so extremely stupid - or dishonest. Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On 13 Feb., 14:13, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Donna wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:1171308436.546205.137980@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > On Feb 12, 9:53?am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > > > exist. > > > > > Proof of God and Her Son will occur in the year 2009, in the > > > > month of March. > > > > > You have been warned so be prepared. > > > > > DEM > > > > The day and the hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven, but > > > my Father only. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > True, Mr. Winn, and my Father told me. ?Make a note of the month > > > and year on a post-it and put it on a place where it won't get lost. > > > March 17, 2009. > > > > DEM > > > See Robert - how lunatic thinking effects some religionists. > > > You cannot blame a god - you can only blame humans.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > This person is one of your fellow atheists, Bob. I have no reason to > blame anyone. And no evidence for the truth of your beliefs. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:37�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:18:06 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171340286.558817.256...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:58?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> Bill M wrote: > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > >> > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > >> > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > >> > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > >> > > > > actually > >> > > > > exist. > > >> > > > What do you call resurrection? > > >> > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is > >> > > more than that? > > >> > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > >> > > > The Anthropic Principle > > >> > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! > > >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are > >> > just that - myths and fables! > > >> Yup - He rose again and ascended to heaven to sit by god the Father........ > >> whatever........ > > >> [Heaven back then was just above the clouds where we now fly commercial > >> aircraft !] > > >> Yet humans in the year 2007 still swallow this silly nonsense. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:53�pm, "Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 11:40 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > > ?ot even just one? > > > > >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > >> > > > > would make itself known. > > > > >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > >> > We were discussing the Bible. ?hy did you want to change the > > > >> > subject? ?ow the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > >> > his only Begotten Son. > > > >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > >> an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly > > > >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > >> thousands..... > > > > >> Bob > > > >> Humanist Brit. > > > > >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you > > > >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged > > > ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees > > > with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your > > > personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you > > > do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no > > > one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, the offer I made seems fair to me. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:55�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Feb 2007 20:40:23 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171341623.826834.79...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> >> > > > > /t even just one? > > >> >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> >> > > > > would make itself known. > > >> >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > >> >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > >> >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > >> >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > >> >> > We were discussing the Bible. (y did you want to change the > >> >> > subject? /w the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > >> >> > his only Begotten Son. > >> >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > >> >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > >> >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > >> >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > >> >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > >> >> an extra drop of wine as well. > > >> >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly > >> >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > >> >> thousands..... > > >> >> Bob > >> >> Humanist Brit. > > >> >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > >> >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > >> >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > >> >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > >> >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > >> >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > >> >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:56�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 6:08�pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1171293511.193526.126780@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > > On Feb 11, 9:57?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > "Semper Libr" wrote: > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > actually > > > > > > exist. > > > >Well, suppose there had been some priests like the ones in your > > > >fictional account? Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 "Piedmont" <no@spam.net> wrote in message news:45d0908c$0$16284$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Text copied from: http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of > software > titled: "Ocean" > > PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD > > One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the fact > that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is another Please don't post your bullshit in alt.atheism. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Olrik Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 13, 8:43 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:53?pm, "Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 11:40 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > ?ot even just one? > > > > > >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > >> > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > >> > We were discussing the Bible. ?hy did you want to change the > > > > >> > subject? ?ow the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > >> > his only Begotten Son. > > > > >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > > > >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > >> an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly > > > > >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > >> thousands..... > > > > > >> Bob > > > > >> Humanist Brit. > > > > > >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you > > > > >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > > Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged > > > > ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees > > > > with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your > > > > personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you > > > > do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no > > > > one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, the offer I made seems fair to me. ?What is your objection? ? If > > > you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you would be able to talk > > > your way through anything. ?The thing is, though, Jesus Christ is the > > > one you would have to convince. ?According to the scripture, > > > <piggybacking> > > > You made a mistake right there at "According to the scripture". Like > > the vast majority of the people on earth, we don't believe in your > > "scripture". What's in it only apply to the faithful (and then, even > > they pick & chose what they want...) > > > > The > > > Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. > > > That is what puzzles me about atheists. ?They claim to have the truth, > > > a better way, superior knowledge, etc., and then all they do is > > > criticize Jesus Christ. ?If atheists had anything worth having, why > > > wouldn't they just go live happy lives and never talk about religion > > > again? > > > We have to, because of people like you. > > No, you don't. You are free to do whatever you choose to do. Yes. And I chose to sometimes criticize religion and its adherents. > You choose to contend against God. But I don't believe in any such thing as a "god" or "gods", except as concepts. > What I say is that if there is any truth in atheism, go be a happy > atheist. I am a happy person. Atheism is not a philosophy, BTW. > You cannot do it. Of course I can. I've also known unhappy persons who were religious. > The only thing you have is your ability to criticize religion. It's one of the many things I have and do. Do you want to silence people who criticize religions? Or just yours in particular? Olrik > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in news:45d1f67b$0$16267$88260bb3@free.teranews.com: > <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1171370398.642281.183600@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 13, 4:50 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>> On Feb 12, 4:31?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th >>> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote >>> > innews:1171292648.170953.150200@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com: >>> > > On Feb 11, 9:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >>> > >> rbwinn wrote: >>> > >> > On Feb 11, 3:20?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>> > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of >>> > >> > > different >>> > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these >>> > >> > > Gods >>> > >> > > actually exist. >>> >>> > >> > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective >>> > >> > > verifiable evidence that no Gods actually exist. >>> >>> > >> > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 >>> > >> > > BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light >>> > >> > > travels at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is >>> > >> > > incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our World, is but >>> > >> > > a speck of dust in this vast Universe. >>> >>> > >> > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION >>> > >> > > YEARS >>> > >> > > old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth >>> > >> > > for >>> > >> > > approximately 100,000 years. When the various books of the >>> > >> > > Bible were written, most of mankind believed the world was >>> > >> > > flat and the >>> > >> > > Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around the Earth. Many >>> > >> > > believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the edge of >>> > >> > > the earth, and >>> > >> > > might fall off, during his trip that discovered the new >>> > >> > > continent. >>> >>> > >> > The question I have for you, Bill, is in measuring all of these >>> > >> > huge >>> > >> > amounts of time, do you consider time to be relative or >>> > >> > absolute? Robert B. Winn >>> >>> > >> Backs up against the wall again are we?- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> > >> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> > > Your backs are always up against the wall. ?If you say absolute >>> > > time, then you agree with Isaac Newton's concept of the universe, >>> > > which scientists say they have discredited. ?If you say relative >>> > > time, then a day can be a billion years. ?Which do you prefer? >>> > > Robert B. Winn >>> >>> > We will work with proper time. Which is near enough to the time used >>> > with >>> > respect to historical events. >>> >>> > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Well, scientists do not work with proper time. They use sidereal >>> time and atomic time. So what is your use of proper time supposed to >>> mean? >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> Any scientist or mathematician familiar with special or general >> relativity knows exactly what is meant by proper time. A billion years >> of historical time is more or less equal to billion years of proper >> time for any observer or clock on the Earth's surface. The differences >> due to variation in the Earth's gravity and speed versus latitude are >> of no consequence for historical purposes. Your point was and is dead >> on arrival. >> > We all agree, that the god(s) of you definition do indeed not exist. > Now > pay yourself a nickel for realizing that and go buy yourself a gumball. > That should keep your mouth busy for a while, ...constructively. > Btw. the God of Christ is a Spirit" which must be served in spirit > and > in truth. (John 4:24) And "Spirit" deals with qualities of attitudes > which Christ demonstrated and for which we crucified Him. > > > I suggest you look up non sequitur. Klazmon. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 11, 9:23 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > ?Not even just one? > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > would make itself known. > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > Robert B. Winn I have my father's bible. He was a Southern Baptist minister. I have read the bible through probably 5 times. I doubt if you have read much in it at all. Most xians haven't. Quote
Guest Jim Roberts Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 11, 10:20 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > exist. > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective verifiable > evidence that no Gods actually exist. > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 BILLION LIGHT > YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at 186,000 MILES PER > SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our > World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe. > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old. > Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for approximately > 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of > mankind believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved > around the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the > edge of the earth, and might fall off, during his trip that discovered the > new continent. > > By the 16 Th. century, scientists like Galileo, determined that the Earth, > Stars and Planets of our solar system revolved around the Sun. This spread > through the scientific community and the majority accepted this reality by > the 1800's. We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an > inconsequential speck of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is > scientific opinion that thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar > to Earth, exist in this huge Universe. > > Man is but grains of sand on this large Earth and less than dust in this > vast Universe. The 6 1/2 BILLION persons currently on this planet do not > appear to be of any significant consequence in this vast Universe. > > In your Gods, world Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, > Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and > starvation exist that torture both man and animals. There are 12,000 known > ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture > and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive diseases > affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these > diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect > people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and > ANIMALS! > > Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West > Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total > blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and > loving creator or any competent creator for that matter??? > > Why would any all powerful competent god permit totally innocent children to > die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain, > deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with > super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor? > Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die of > starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate > into a miserable and devastating old age? > > Why would god create a gene for vitamin C synthesis in most mammals, but > stop it working in humans and chimps? > > Why would god create a lizard that reproduces by parthenogenesis, and > still give it the need to attempt copulation? > > Why would god create birds without the power of flight, yet give them > wings they cannot use? > > Why would god create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete > darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work? > > If an all powerful god created this, why did he make so many horrible > mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and > suffering??? > > Why would any all powerful god create things like sharks, jelly fish, > octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous > insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would he create animals (including man) > that need to kill and eat other animals to survive? > > IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all > caring and all loving god not permit those in his heaven to communicate the > wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives and friends? Why > all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged and > persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence - they > are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS. > > Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods; > > Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? > Then he is not omnipotent. > Is he able, but not willing? > Then he is malevolent. > Is he both able and willing? > Then where does evil come from? > Is he neither able nor willing? > Then why call him a god? > > These god tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter > stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus. > > The objective evidence is that gods did not create man but quite the > opposite; man created gods! > > Where is ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY Gods actually exist? > > Following is a list of the many gods worshipped and feared by man over the > decades. > > Which, if any, of these gods is the real god? If there is a real god, why > does he not tell us directly and clearly he is the real god and all the > others are fakes??? Why does he not smite all the fakes? > > Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus, > Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, > Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim > Eshu, > Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, > Helios, Hel, > Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, > Ishtar, > Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jesus, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, > Korravai, > Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, > Morrigan, > Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun, > Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto, > Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn, > Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, > Vesta, > > Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus. > > African gods: > > Abassi [sky] > Abonsam [Evil] > Abora [supreme] > Abzu [Water] > Acoran [supreme] > Adaheli [sun] > Adro [sky] > Adroa [sky] > Agassou [Panther] > Agbe-Naete [Water] > Age [Animals] > Aigamuxa [Monster] > Ajalamo[unborn Children] > Aje [Wealth] > Ajok [supreme] > Akonadi [Oracle] > Akongo [supreme] > Akuj [supreme] > Ala [Earth/Fertility] > Alatangana [Creator] > Amma [Creator] > Anansi [Trickster] > Anyiewo [snake] > Aondo [Creator] > Apa [Creator] > Apedemak [War] > Arawa [Moon] > Arebati [sky] > Arom [Contracts] > Arsan Duolai [underworld] > Asase Ya [Earth] > Ashiakle [Wealth] > Asis [sun] > Astar [sky] > Ataa Naa > Nyongmo > [Creator] > Ataokoloinona [supreme] > Atete [Fertility] > Avrikiti [Fishermen] > Ayabba > [Ayaba] [Hearth] > > Bacax [Cave] > Bagba [Wind] > Balubaal [Earth+] > Bandara [superior Gods] > Banga [Clear water] > Behanzin [Fish] > Beher [sea] > Bera Pennu [Vegetation] > Bo [Warriors] > Bomazi[Ancestors] > Buadza [WInd] > Buck[River] > Buku [sky] > Bumba [Creator] > > Cagn [Creator] > (!Kaggen) > Cghene [Creator] > Chiuke > (Chuku) [Creator] > Chiata [supreme] > Chwezi [Hero] > Col [Rain] > Chikara [sky] > > Danh > (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [snake] > Deng [sky] > Deohako [beans+] > Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods] > Dongo [Outer Space] > Dugbo [Earth] > Dxui [Creator] > > Emeli-hi [supreme] > Eranoranhan [Protector] > Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster] > > Fa [Destiny] > Famien [Fertility] > Faro [sky/Water] > Fidi Mukullu [Creator] > > Garang and Abuk [First Humans] > Gbeni [Chief] > Gei (Gou) [Moon] > Gu [War/Smiths] > Gua [sky] > Gulu [supreme] > Gunab [Evil] > Guruhi [Evil] > Gurzil [bull] > Gwalu [Rain] > Hammon [setting Sun] > Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits] > Heitsi-Eibib [sorcerer] > Hevioss [Thunder] > Huntin [Tree] > Huvean [Creator] > > Ifa [Oracul] > Ikenga [supreme] > Imana [Creator] > Iruwa [sun] > > Jesus [savior] > Juok [Creator] > Kalumba [Creator] > Kalunga Supreme] > Katavi [Demonic] > Ka Tyeleo [supreme] > Khebieso [Lightening] > Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon] > Kholomodumo [Monster] > Khuzwane [Creator] > Kibuka [War] > Kokola [Guardian] > Kwammang-a [supreme] > Kwoth [spirit] > Kyala [Creator] > > Legba [Trickster] > Leza [Chief] > Libanza [supreme] > Lisa [Chameleon] > Lyangombe[Chief] > Macardit [Demon] > Mantis [Creator] > Massim-Biambe [Creator] > Mawu [sky] > Mawu-Lisa [supreme Couple] > Mbotumbo [supreme] > Medr [Earth] > Moomb [Creator] > Mon [?] > Mugasa > Mugu [sky] > Mujaji [Rain] > Mukasa [supreme] > Mula Djadi [Creator] > Muluku [supreme] > Mulungu > Mungu [Creator] > Mungo (Mungu) [?] > Musa (Teaching] > Musisi [supreme] > Mwari [supreme] > > Nampa [Personal] > Nana-Bouclou [First Gods] > Nana Buluk [Creator] > Ndjambi [sky] > Ndriananahary [supreme] > Nduru [Jungle] > Nenaunir [storm] > Nesshoue [River] > Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator] > Ngewo-wa [Creator] > Ngworekara [Demon] > Niamye [supreme] > Nkosi Yama'kosi [supreme] > Nommo [Elemental] > Nommo [spirit] > Nyama [Animal] > Nyambe [supreme] > Nyambi (Nyambe) [supreme] > Nyame > Nyami-Nyami [Guardian] > Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [supreme] > Nyamia Ama [supreme] > Nyasaye [supeme] > Nzambi (Nzambi) > Mpunguo) [supreme] > Nzame [supreme] > > Obassi Osaw [supreme] > Obatala [sky] > Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth] > Ogun (Ogoun) War] > Olokula [sea] > Olorun [supreme] > Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life] > Orahan [supreme] > Orisa Nla [Creator] > Orishako [Agriculture] > Orunjan [Midday Sun] > Orunmila [Compassion] > Oshalla [?] > Osun [beauty and Love] > Oya [Passion and Power] > > Pemba (Bemba) Mother] > Qandisa [Demon] > Qamata[Quamta] Supreme] > > Rock-Sene [supreme] > Ruwa [supreme] > Sagbata [smallpox] > Sakarabru [Medicine] > Sakpata [smallpox] > Sango [Thunder] > Shango [Thunder] > So [Lightening] > > Tano [River] > Tore [Forest] > Trowu[spirits] > Tsui'goab [Rain] > Twe [Lake] > > Umvelinqangi [Creator] > Unkulunkulu [supreme] > Unumbotte [Creator] > > Waka [Rain] > Wele [supreme] > Wulbari [supreme] > Wuni [supreme] > > Xewioso [Thunder] > Yemaja [Creation] > Yo [impersonal] > > Zin [Water] > > Asian Gods: > > BUDDHIST > > Abhijnaraja [Physician] > Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis] > Acala [?] > Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis] > Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis] > Adibuddha [First] > Adidharma [Primeval] > Aizen Myo-o [Protective] > Ajaya [?] > Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai > Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature] > Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani] > Amida [savior] > Amitabha [A Dhyani] > Amitayus [Longevity] > Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara] > Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani] > Anantamukhi [Literature] > Arapacana [book and Sword] > Arcismati [bhumis] > Arhat [A Saint] > Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis] > Arya-Tara [sakti] > Asokakanta [avatar Marici] > Asokottamasri [Physician] > Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla] > Asura [Group of Demons] > Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age] > Ayurvasita[One vasitas] > > Balaparamita [Philosophy] > Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician] > Bhima[Attendant] > Bhrkuti[Female] > Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother] > Bhumi [spiritual Spheres] > Bhutadarma [Demon Controller] > Bi-har [Protector] > Bodhidharma [Monk] > Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [born to be Englightened] > Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas] > Buddhalocana [Female Buddha] > Budha [Mercury] > Butcho [?] > > Chandarosana [Mahayana] > Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana] > Chakravartin [World Ruler] > Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa] > Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings] > Chittavista [Vashitas] > Citipati [Graveyard Demons] > Cunda [Literature] > Da-shi-zhi [bodhisattva] > Dadimunda [Temples] > Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom] > Dakini [Demons] > Dala Kadavara [Demon] > Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank] > Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi] > Dharani [Mystical Texts] > Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma] > Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician] > Dharmamegha [bhumis] > Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties] > Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis] > Dharmavasita [Vasitas] > Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians] > Dhupa [Mother] > Dhupatara [Mahayana] > Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya] > Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy] > Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas] > Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators] > Di-zang [bodhisattvas of Hell] > Dvarapala [?] > > Ekajata [Terrible] > Emma-o [Judges the Dead] > > Fudo [WIsdom] > > Guan Yin [bodhisattva] > > Hariti [Ate Children] > Hayagriva [Protection] > Heruka [Protection] > Hevajra [Protection] > > Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries] > > Jambhala [avatar Vausravana] > Janguli [snakebite cure] > Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence] > Jizo [Compassion] > Juichimen [Mercy] > > Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo] > > Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva] > Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [indian bodhisattva] > Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o] > Krodhadevatas [inspire Terror] > Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva] > Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy] > Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric] > Kurukulla [?] > > Locana [?] > > Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva] > Maitreya [Future] > Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva] > Manjusri [bodhisattva] > Mara [Evil] > Marici [sun] > Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva > Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva > Mo-Li [Protects Temples] > > Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara] > Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses] > Pandara [?] > Paramasva [?] > Parnasavari [?] > Prajna [Femaleness] > Prajnaparamita [buddhist Text] > Ran-deng [beggar and Future Buddha] > Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha] > Remanta [King of the Horse gods] > > Sakyamuni [Japanese] > Samantabhadra [bodhisattvas] > Saptaksara [avatar Heruka] > Shakra [King of the Gods] > Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven] > Sumbharaja [buddhist Krodhadevata] > > Tennin (Tennyo) [angels] > > Usnisavijaya [?] > > Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas] > Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World] > Vajrabhairava [?] > Vajrapani [bodhisattvas] > Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha] > Vajravarahi [?] > Vajrayogini [initiation] > Vajrayogini [Riches] > Vidyadharas [?] > Vidyujjvalakarali [?] > Vighnantaka [?] > Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World] > Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven] > Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > > We-to [Divine General] > > Yakushi Nyorai [Healing] > Yama [?] > Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas] > > Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods] > > CHINESE GODS > > Ao [sea] > Awun [Destruction] > > Ba [Drought] > Ba Gua [basis of Divination] > Bo Hsian [Taoist] > > Cai-Shen [Riches] > Can Cong [silkworms] > Cao Guo-jiu [Actors] > Chang Fei [War] > Chang Hs'ien [Children] > Chang Kuo-lao [?] > Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon] > Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife] > Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians] > Chen Jen [spiritual Beings] > Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen] > Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [buskers] > Chih Nu [Weavers] > Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain] > Chih-Yu [inventor] > Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian] > Chou Wang [sodomy] > Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties] > Chu Jung [Fire] > Chu Lung [Day/Night] > Chung K'uei [Afterlife] > Chung-li Ch'uan [immortal] > Confucius [Philosopher] > > Di Zhang Xia [?] > Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God] > > Erh-Lang [Guardian] > > Fan-K'uei [butchers] > Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind] > Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings] > Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind] > Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind] > Fo [buddha] > Fu His [Taught Humanity] > Fu Hsing [Happiness] > Fu Shen [Happiness] > Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods] > Fu-xi [Hero] > > Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement] > Gong Gong [Common Workers] > Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers] > Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling] > Gui Xian [Demon] > > Han Hsiang [immortal] > Han Xiang-zi [immortal] > He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers] > Heng E (Change-e) [Moon] > He Xian-gu [immortal] > Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples] > Heng-o [Moon] > Ho Hsien-ku [immortal] > Ho Po [River] > Hou Chi [Harvest] > Hou I [Archer] > Hou T'u [Earth] > Hsien [Taoists] > Hsi Ho [sun's Creator] > Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian] > Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven] > Hua Hsien [Flower] > Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero] > Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain] > Hu-Shen [Hail] > > I [bowmen] > Infoniwoo [Generation] > I-Ti [Wine] > > K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil] > Kuan Yu [War] > K'uei Hsing [Examinations] > > Lan Cai-he [immortal] > Lao T'ien Yeh [supreme] > Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher] > Lei Kung [storm] > Lei-zi [Thunder] > Li [Fire] > Li Tie-guai [immortal] > Liu [Crops] > Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [immortal] > Lu-Hsing [salaries/Employees] > Lung Wang [Dragon King] > Lupan [Carpenters] > > Ma-Mien [bureaucrat] > Meng (Meng P'o) [underworld] > Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush] > Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng] > Mu Gong [immortals] > > Niu-Y'oun [Police] > Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage] > > O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha] > > Pa [Drought] > Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts] > Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals] > P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues] > 'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos] > Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth] > Puhsien [sun] > > Ran-deng [Future Buddha] > > San Ch'inga [Three Taos] > Shang Di (Shang Ti) [supreme] > She Chi (Thu) [Earth] > Shen [spirit] > Sheng Jen [Holy] > Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero] > Shen-T'u [Guardian] > Shen Yi [sun] > Shiang Ku [Magician] > Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten] > Shou-Hsing [Longevity] > Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life] > Shou-Ts'ang [servant] > Shui-Fu [Water] > Shui-Kuan [Defender] > Ssu Ming [Life and Death] > Sung-Chiang [Theives] > Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey] > Sun Hou-zi [Apes] > Sun-Pin [Cobblers] > > T'ai I [High] > Tai-sui-xing [Time] > Tai-yi [sky] > T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak] > Thu [Earth] > Tian [sky] > Tian-zhu [Catholic] > Tien (T'ien) [sky] > Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven] > T'ien-Kuan [Happiness] > T'ien Lung [Dragon] > Tien Mu [Lightening] > Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings] > Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness] > Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth] > Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy] > Ti Yu [Afterlife] > Tou Nu [North Star] > Ts'ai-Lun [stationers] > Ts'ai Shen [Wealth] > Tsan [Demons] > Ts'ang Chien [Hearth] > Tsao Shen [?] > Tsao-Wang [Hearth] > Tu [Earth] > Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals] > T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality] > > Wang [Palace Door] > Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian] > Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature] > Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri] > Wen Pu [Epidemics] > Wu Ti [Myth] > > Xian [spirits] > Xi-Wang-mu [immortality] > > Yama [seventh hell] > Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [underworld Prince] > Yao [Wind Conqueror] > Yao-shi-fo [Physician] > Yao Wang [Medicine] > Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death] > Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [underworld Judge] > Yin and Yang [Male and Female] > Yo Fei [War] > Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds] > Yu-di (Yu Huang) [supreme] > Yueh Fei [War] > Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High] > Yun T'ung [Clouds] > Yu-qiang [sea] > Yu Shih [Rain] > Yu-tzu [Rain] > > Zao Jun [Kitchen] > Zhang Guo-lao [immortal] > Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations] > Zhong-li Quan [immortal] > > [sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology] > > Finnish Gods: > > Ahto [Water] > Akka [Harvest] > > Egres [Vegetation/Fertility] > > Hiisi [Forest/Evil] > > Ilma [Air] > Ilmarinen [sky] > Inmar [sky] > > Juma [sky] > Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+] > > Kalevanpojat [Demons] > Kalma [Death] > Kekri [Fertility Feast] > Kipu-Tytto [illness] > Kondos [sowing Crops] > Kuu [Moon] > > Lemminkainen [Hero] > Louhi [sorcery/Evil] > Loviatar [Disease] > Luonnotar [Creator] > > Madderakka [Dwarves] > Maahiset [Dwarves] > > Naaki [Water] > Nyrckes [?] > > Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties] > > Pajainen [?] > Pajonn [Thunder] > Para [Goblin Like] > Pellonpekko [barley] > > Raudna [?] > Rutu [Devil] > > Sampsa [Vegetation] > Seides [stones] > > Rauni [?] > > Tapio [Forest] > Tiermes [Thunder] > Tuoni [underworld > Tursas [Monster] > > Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder] > > Vainamoinen [Hero] > Veralden-radien [World Pillars] > > Waralden Olmai [World] > > JAPANESE GODS > > Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder] > Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star] > Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal] > Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility] > Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods] > Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil] > Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared] > Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth] > > Bimbo-Gami [Poverty] > Bishamon [War] > > Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea] > > Daikoku [Wealth] > > Ebisu [Labor] > > Fuchi [Fire] > Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom] > Futsunushi [Lightening] > > Gozu-Tenno [Plague] > > Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind] > Hikohohodemi [Hero] > Hinokagutsuchi [Fire] > Hiruko [Morning Sun] > Hoderi [?] > Hisa-Me [Devils] > Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire] > Hosuseri [?] > Hotei [Laughter] > > Inari [Prosperity] > Izanagi [Creator] > Izanami [Mother] > > Jikoku [Guardians] > Jimmu Tenno [Founder] > Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity] > > Kagu-tsuchi [Fire] > Kamado-gami [Hearth] > Kami [Divinities] > Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?] > Kami-Nari [Thunder] > Kamui [sky] > Kappa [Water] > Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers] > Kishijoten [Luck] > Kishimojin [Demon] > Komoku [south] > Kompira [Wealth] > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?] > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First] > Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth] > Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow] > > Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes] > Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes] > Ningyo [Mermaid] > Ninigi [Ruler Earth] > > O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery] > Onamuji [Earth] > Omiwa [Protective] > Oni [Demons] > O-Wata-Tsumi [sea] > O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain] > > Raiden [Thunder] > Ryo-Wo [sea] > Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain] > > Sae-No-Kami [Roads] > > Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain] > Sennin [immortals] > Shichi-Fukujin [Luck] > Shiko-Me [Devils] > Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind] > Shitatera-Hime [?] > Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians] > Shojo [satyrs] > Soko-No-Kuni [underworld] > Suitengu [sea] > Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs] > Shoki [Enemy of Devils] > Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [storms] > Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family] > Takemikadzuchi [Thunder] > Take-Mi-Musubi [sun] > Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain] > Tatsuta-hime [Autumn] > Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest] > Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy] > Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon] > > Uji-gami [Ancestors] > Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and > Food] > Uzume [Mirth] > > Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\ > Wata-tsu-mi [sea] > > Yabune [House] > > Zocho [south] > > Shinto Amaterasu [sun] > > Ama-Tsu-Mara [smiths] > > Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral] > Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water] > Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [supreme] > Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers] > Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental] > Ame-no-uzume [Dancers] > > Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+] > > Fujin [Wind] > > Hachiman [War] > Ho-musubi [Fire] > > Kami [idols] > > SOUTH ASIAN GODS > > Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [supreme] > > Debata [?] > > Empung Luminuut [?] > > Hainuwele [?] > > Hananim [sky] > > Hmin [Ague] > > Karei [supreme] > Kinharingan [Creator] > Kud [Evil] > > Laseo [sun] > Lature Dano [supreme] > Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above] > > Mahatala (Mahataral) [supreme?] > Ma-zu [?] > > Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval] > Narbrooi [Woodlands] > Nemu [Primodial] > > Palk [sun] > Puang Matowa [sky] > Pulug [Thunder] > > Reahu [Dark Demon] > Rigenmucha [supreme] > > Silewe Nazarata [?] > Sirao [First] > > Ta Pedn [?] > Tnong [sun] > Tumbrenjak [Original Man] > > Upulevo [sun] > > Wunekau [sun] > > CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS > > Abyrga [snake] > Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms] > Aitvaras [Evil] > Alardi [spirit] > Aralo [Agriculutre] > Armaz [supreme] > Auseklis (Ausrine) [stellar] > > Baba [spirit] > Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress] > Bagvarti [?] > Bangputys [sea] > Bannik [baths] > Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity] > Barastir (Barastaer) [underworld] > Bardha [Elves] > Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War] > Beng [satan] > Biegg-Olmai [Wind] > Bogatyri [Heroes] > Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children] > Bolla (Bullar) [Demon] > Buga [supreme] > Bukura e dheut > [Good Spirit] > Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah] > Byelobog (Bielbog) [?] > Byelun [?] > > Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?] > Chors [sun] > > Dabog [sun] > Deive [stone Spirits] > Dieva deli [?] > Dievini [Less Known Gods] > Dievs [sky] > Djall [Devil] > Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household] > Donbittir [Water/Fish] > Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods] > Dud [Heavenly Spirit] > Dvorovoi [Courtyard] > Dyavo [Demons] > > En [?] > Erlik [King of the Dead] > Es [sky] > > Fatit [Destiny] > Fene [Demon] > > Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire] > Gabjauja [Corn] > Giltine [Death] > Guta [Demon] > > Hadur [War] > Himavat [Himalayas] > Horagalles [War] > > Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate] > Isten [supreme] > > Jagaubis [Fire] > Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War] > Jessis [avatar Jupiter] > Jumis [Fertility] > Juras Mate [Water] > > Kaka-Guia [Funerary] > Kalvis [smith] > Karta [Fate] > Kaukas [?] > Khors [Health/Hunting] > Khyung-gai mGo-can [?] > Kikimora [Household] > K'op'ala [Protective] > Kukuth (Kukudhi) [sickness] > Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon] > Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon] > Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs] > Kurdalaegon [blacksmiths] > > Laima [Fate] > Lamaria [Hearth] > Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest] > Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility] > Laume [Fairy] > Leshy [Forest] > Lha [bon Gods] > Lhamo [?] > Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs] > Ljubi [Demon] > > Manzasiri [Primeval] > Mate [Mother] > Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth] > Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods] > Meness [Moon] > Menulis [Moon] > Meza Mate [Nature] > Mirsa [Light] > Mokos [Fertility] > Mu (rMu) [Heavenly] > Muma Padura [Wood] > Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon] > > Nang Lha [Household] > Nari [Demon] > Nari [sky] > Num [sky] > > Odqan [Fire] > Ora [Protective] > Ordog [Dark] > > Pekar (Pehar) [Demon] > Peko [barley] > Perendi [Jehovah] > Perit [Mountain Spirits] > Perkons [Thunder] > Perkunas [Thunder] > Perun (Peroun) [Thunder] > Polevik [Field] > Poludnitsa [Field] > Pon [sky] > Porenutius (Porevit) [?] > Preas Eyn [?] > Preas Eyssaur [Destructive] > Preas Prohm [Primeval] > > Prende (Prenne) [Love] > Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday] > Pugu [sun] > > Qormusta (Chormusta) [High] > > Rugievit [War] > Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands] > > Safa [Weapens] > Sanda [?] > Sarkany [Weather] > Saule [sun] > Saules meitas [?] > Selardi [Moon] > Shen-Lha-od-dkar [bon] > Shen-rab [Founder Bon] > Sipe Gyalmo [bon] > Shiwini [sun] > Shosshu [smiths] > Siwini [sun] > Srat [Demon] > Sri [Demon] > Sridevi [?] > Stribog [Winds] > Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture] > Svarog [sky] > Syen [Guardian] > Stihi [Demon] > > Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith] > Telyaveli [smiths] > Tengri [Heavenly Beings] > Tesheba [Weather] > Thab-lha [Hearth] > Triglav (Trigelawus) [War] > > Uacilla [Thunder/Rain] > Ulgen [Creator] > Urme [Fate] > Usins [?] > > Vadatajs [Evil] > Vampire [soul of Dead] > Veela [Kindess] > Veja mate [Winds] > Veles (Volos) [underworld] > Velnias [Devil] > Velu mate [Dead] > Verbti [Fire/North Wind] > Vila [Water] > Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf] > Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf] > Vodnik [Demon] > Vodyanoi [Water] > Volos (Volusu) [Cattle] > > We [supreme] > > Xhindi [spirits] > > Yarilo [Love] > > Zaltys [Grass Snake] > Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [supreme] > Zemes mate [Mother] > Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth] > Zorya [Guardian] > Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star] > > SIBERIAN GODS > > Ai Tojon [Light] > Ajysyt [Mother] > Anky-Kele [sea] > Ayi [Creator] > > Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters] > Hinkon [Death Demon] > > K'daai [Fire Demon] > Kaltes [The Goddess] > Ke'lets [Death Demon] > Kurkil [Creator] > Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit] > > Mayin [supreme] > > Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals] > > Shurdi [Thunderstorms] > > Tomam [bird] > Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator] > > Xucau [supreme] > > Ye'loje (Pugu) [sun] Thanks for the dictionary, but my God doesn't exist, not in this Universe. The very essence of my God is that He just doesn't exist at all. He is Nothing! No amount of debate, discursion, discussion, observation. experiment, recording, will cause Him to reveal Himself. He just doesn't exist. Quote
Guest Semper Liber Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45CFF318.7E58F674@netvigator.com... > > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest jls Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 2:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:30�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > wrote: > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually > > > > exist. > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > I would call it a story. ?Why, do you have any evidence that it is > > more than that? > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. ?Pathetic! > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, that seems to be a case of first impression. It seems to me if resurrection or raising the dead were possible, it could be accomplished today just as it was accomplished over 2,000 years ago. Of course, nobody in their right mind would believe that a dead body can be brought back to life, and Lazarus was already decomposing and smelling with a foul stench when he was resurrected. As Twain said, some good stories but more than a thousand lies. Sometimes I watch Benny Hinn for fun and to scoff a little as he performs all those healings. Of course, no one is ever truly healed. And speaking of Twain, he's recounting in _Innocents Abroad_ about visiting the Holy Land. There are all sorts of religious talismans and relics for sale there. At least ten different peddlers claim to have for sale at a reasonable price and in a miraculously preserved state the foreskin of the circumcised Jesus. The foreskin possesses supernatural powers, he is assured. Such is the story of Jesus, not very credible, few independent historical documents to support Christianity, and certainly nothing close to scientific proof. But Christianity lives and will continue to live as a great opiate for the frightened, the gullible, and the arrogant longing for eternal life when the overwhelming evidence is that all life is mortal. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 On Feb 12, 10:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: [...] > > > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. That > > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. > > > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter > books. Now you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. Did > they just materialize, or were they written also? > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Nobody has challenged the authorship of the Harry Potter books, the first having been written by a divorcee in Scotland while she was on public assistance, and the books don't claim to be anything other than fiction. But the bible claims to be true, claims to be the inspired word of a god, despite that it does not stand up to scrutiny as history and appears at best to be the fiction of unknown writers who believed the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 8:38 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > Well, if you think I said something demonstrably false, go right ahead > and tell us what it was. So far we have not reached the point where I > would say you have even admitted that the Bible exists. There is so > much untruth in anything you say that I would have to see proof that > you admit the Bible exists. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > Watch Bob grow angry. Just like his pipe dream of a god, angry. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 05:48:15 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171374495.108646.241590@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:55?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:40:23 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171341623.826834.79...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:09:32 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1171339772.765000.308...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > /t even just one? >> >> >> >> > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> >> >> > > > > would make itself known. >> >> >> >> > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. >> >> >> >> > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers >> >> >> > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? >> >> >> >> > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: >> >> >> >> > We were discussing the Bible. (y did you want to change the >> >> >> > subject? /w the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent >> >> >> > his only Begotten Son. >> >> >> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. >> >> >> > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were >> >> >> bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were >> >> >> yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. >> >> >> >> The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, >> >> >> an extra drop of wine as well. >> >> >> >> Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' (ave personal jets and fly >> >> >> around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of >> >> >> thousands..... >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> Humanist Brit. >> >> >> >> If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified >> >> >> to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, >> >> >> and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." >> >> >> [Robert G. Ingersoll] >> >> >> >> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the >> >> >> priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. >> >> >> [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. (y don't you >> >> >explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >> >> >> Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged >> >> ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees >> >> with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your >> >> personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you >> >> do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no >> >> one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, the offer I made seems fair to me. �hat is your objection? >> >> It's your completely dishonest way to duck the question. You make >> claims, most of which cannot be supported by any evidence, others that >> are known to be false, and you refuse to admit that you have no >> evidence. Instead, you try to talk about a religious belief that you >> have, but others do not since you are posting to alt.atheism. >> >> >If >> >you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you would be able to talk >> >your way through anything. �he thing is, though, Jesus Christ is the >> >one you would have to convince. >> >> There is no evidence at all that Jesus Christ exists or will ever judge >> anything. You know that. >> >> >According to the scripture, The >> >Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. >> >That is what puzzles me about atheists. �hey claim to have the truth, >> >a better way, superior knowledge, etc., and then all they do is >> >criticize Jesus Christ. f atheists had anything worth having, why >> >wouldn't they just go live happy lives and never talk about religion >> >again? >> >> Because we have to put up with smug, self-righteous liars like you who >> post to alt.atheism and tell your lies here. If you kept your lies in >> Christian newsgroups, I wouldn't be responding to you.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >If alt.atheism is in the header, it is because someone else put it >there, not because I did. I have to assume it is someone from >alt.atheism who wants to complain about Christianity. So go ahead and >complain. Even though I am not religious, I have no complaints about Christianity. I do have complaints about what people attribute to Christianity, however. I am particularly unhappy with people who insist that their lies are somehow true just because they claim, without any evidence, that their claims have something to do with God. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 05:31:09 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171373469.067414.150960@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:36?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:29:29 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171340969.769167.274...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: .... >> >Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading >> >it. �hy don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read >> >it? >> >> You still retain your totally dishonest approach, I see. You have >> dishonestly chosen to ignore that the Bible is not evidence even though >> everyone acknowledges that it exists. Now an honest Christian would >> merely state that this is what they _believe_ but would never stoop to >> bearing false witness about what the Bible is or how it should be used. >> Why have you chosen to bear this false witness? >> >> Don't bother to offer to send me a Bible. I own half a dozen >> translations and some commentaries. I know what the Bible says. I don't >> see any evidence from your postings that you do. It appears that you >> worship your claims about the Bible and don't care what it really says.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >You acknowledge that the Bible exists? Of course. >In what way do you acknowledge that the Bible exists? In the common meaning of the words. >In my opinion you are saying that you >acknowledge that the Bible exists while at the same time saying that >it does not exist. No, you don't get to redefine words to try to persuade people that your lies are not lies. >I think you are getting a little ahead of yourselves. >There are enough copies of the Bible on earth that you >are not going to make it disappear. Since I have no intention to do so, why do you engage in such a dishonest attack? >So if you acknowledge that the Bible exists, you must have some >explanation for its existence. Let's hear your explanation. It was written and edited over time. >Johannes Gutenburg printed copies of the Bible. Wow, you know something. >There must have been >some way that the words he printed were arranged in the order he >printed them. Or is it your belief that the people who set the type >were the first ones to put the words in that order? Keep it up. You are doing an excellent job of mocking your religion. -- "... There's glory for you." "I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'" "But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all." Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 04:51:10 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171371070.337065.212830@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:18?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:11:40 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171339900.469048.35...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 12, 8:55?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Feb 12, 2:49?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God >> >> > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods >> >> > > > > > actually >> >> > > > > > exist. >> >> >> > > > > What do you call resurrection? >> >> >> > > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is >> >> > > > more than that? >> >> >> > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... >> >> >> > > > > The Anthropic Principle >> >> >> > > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! >> >> >> > > Jesus Christ was resurrected. >> >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are >> >> > > just that - myths and fables!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > Sorry, but the one with myths is you. �ou cannot change history by >> >> > saying it did not happen. >> >> > Robert B. Winn.... >> >> >> ...and you cannot, or refuse, to face facts. >> >> >> Who has the brains and inteligence ? /u or Bill M ?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >I have enough intelligence to discern between truth and fiction. >> >Jesus Christ is truth, your stories are fiction. >> >> You make that claim without a shred of evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >So you are saying once again that the Bible does not exist. Once again, you are lying. >Johannes Gutenburg would disagree with you. You have made the logical error of equivocation. The fact that the Bible exists does not mean that the statements in the Bible are all correct. You make a mockery of your religion with your stupid comments. -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 05:38:27 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171373907.594626.129900@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:37?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Feb 2007 20:18:06 -0800, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1171340286.558817.256...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 12, 8:58?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> Bill M wrote: >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:1171308517.634196.297340@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Feb 12, 9:30?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> > > On 12 Feb., 04:32, "Semper Libr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God >> >> > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods >> >> > > > > actually >> >> > > > > exist. >> >> >> > > > What do you call resurrection? >> >> >> > > I would call it a story. Why, do you have any evidence that it is >> >> > > more than that? >> >> >> > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... >> >> >> > > > The Anthropic Principle >> >> >> > > Are people still talking about that bit of silliness. Pathetic! >> >> >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > A totally unsubstantiated claim! Mythical stories form the ancient past are >> >> > just that - myths and fables! >> >> >> Yup - He rose again and ascended to heaven to sit by god the Father....... >> >> whatever........ >> >> >> [Heaven back then was just above the clouds where we now fly commercial >> >> aircraft !] >> >> >> Yet humans in the year 2007 still swallow this silly nonsense. (y? >> >> Because another human [very often their mother] told them to. >> >> >> Who wants to call their parents liars and deceivers?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, the problem with your version is that it is just not >> >believable. ccording to you all a person has to do to succeed is to >> >find fault with Jesus Christ. �atan can do just as well, and he is >> >nothing but an evil spirit. >> >> So, you need to make your understanding of the Bible square with >> reality. If you start making claims that are demonstrably false, you not >> only make a fool of yourself, but you bring Christianity into disrepute. >> -- >> >> "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel >> to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy >> Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should >> take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in >> which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh >> it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, if you think I said something demonstrably false, go right ahead >and tell us what it was. So far we have not reached the point where I >would say you have even admitted that the Bible exists. You have said something that is demonstrably false. Why do you need to lie about what I said? Why do you need to lie about science? Why is the god you worship so weak that you need to tell lies about everything? >There is so >much untruth in anything you say that I would have to see proof that >you admit the Bible exists. As far as I can tell, you are just a parody of a believer. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1171371097.655342.212250@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 13, 4:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> On Feb 12, 4:30?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th >> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote >> > innews:1171293929.513174.145260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: >> > > On Feb 12, 4:20?am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib?r" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> > >> >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> >> > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of >> > >> > > different >> > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these >> > >> > > Gods >> > >> > > actually exist. >> >> > >> > What do you call resurrection? >> >> > >> An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at >> > >> least >> > >> forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of >> > >> those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by >> > >> Irenaeus >> > >> in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first >> > >> few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration >> > >> by >> > >> contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as >> > >> writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these >> > >> were >> > >> written (well after the Jewish revolt). >> >> > >> > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... >> > >> > The Anthropic Principle >> > >> <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> >> >> > >> Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a >> > >> perfect fit". >> >> > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being >> > > valid, >> > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the >> > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as >> > > fiction in the second century also? >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > All of those books exist just as the books titled Harry Potter exist. >> > That >> > doesn't mean that the contents are unquestionable. >> >> > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Well, there is a woman who claims she wrote all of the Harry Potter >> books. Now you say that all of the books of the Bible exist. Did >> they just materialize, or were they written also? >> Robert B. Winn > > There is no knowledge of the authors of most of them. Some of Paul's > letters have reasonable historical support that they were written by > the main founder of Christianity aka Paul/Saul. The canonical gospels > were anonymous documents which were not attributed until Irenaeus gave > them titles. > Christianity is a wholesome and successful philosophy of life and it hardly matters who wrote it all down. Whereas atheism is a philosophy of death, having the finality of oblivion as its final stated aim. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > would make itself known. > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > Robert B. Winn > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? All things that exist show that there is a God. So why is it that you do not want to read the Bible? Robert B. Winn Quote
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