Guest rbwinn Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Mar 7, 6:55�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Mar 7, 6:42 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! > > > > ?> > > > No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof > > > cannot be shifted to the non-believers. > > > > The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the > > > null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. > > > >http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm > > > >http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm > > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah? > > Isaiah 4:6 Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Oh, I never read much other than Isaiah. And therein lies your problem. You know, it takes a certain kind of person to boast about their ignorance. Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > I am fairly good at staying away from medical science. Gosh, what a surprise... Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Any time atheists get too pushy, I quote some verses from Isaiah. That > gets rid of most of them. I guess that's your version of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA...." Ending a conversation by being an obnoxious fool. Your mother must be so proud... Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >Michael Gray wrote: >> stumper wrote: >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>> stumper wrote: >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>> dollar. >>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>> >>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>> Which god? >>>> >>> Do you believe in any? >> >> No. >> > >Are you familiar with the Christian God? As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net> >JessHC wrote: >> stumper wrote: >>> JessHC wrote: >>>> stumper wrote: >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>> No. >>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>> Why do you ask? >>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist. >> >> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist. >> > >Do you know what it means >for someone to believe in God? Yes. It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of evidence. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote: - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > >Michael Gray wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> >> >rbwinn wrote: >> >> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> >> > Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple >> >> > instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like >> >> > alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the >> >> > dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do >> >> > with it]? >> >> > >> >> > Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original >> >> > twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were >> >> > to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no >> >> > proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> >> Who told you I was proselytizing? >> > >> >What do YOU think you're doing? >> >> Bzzzt! >> Meaningless question. >> Bobby is quite incapable of thought. > >Point taken; I withdraw the question. Objection sustained. Now, what about this defence of... <shuffles papers> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"? What does the defendent have to say? You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn. Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher? -- Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Michael Gray wrote: > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> > wrote: > - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >> Michael Gray wrote: >>> stumper wrote: >>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>> Which god? >>>>> >>>> Do you believe in any? >>> No. >>> >> Are you familiar with the Christian God? > > As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. > How do you know it does not exist? -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Michael Gray wrote: > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> > wrote: > - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net> >> JessHC wrote: >>> stumper wrote: >>>> JessHC wrote: >>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>> No. >>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>> Why do you ask? >>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist. >>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist. >>> >> Do you know what it means >> for someone to believe in God? > > Yes. > It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of > evidence. > What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"? What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"? -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net> >Michael Gray wrote: >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net> >>> JessHC wrote: >>>> stumper wrote: >>>>> JessHC wrote: >>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>> Why do you ask? >>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist. >>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist. >>>> >>> Do you know what it means >>> for someone to believe in God? >> >> Yes. >> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of >> evidence. >> > >What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"? >What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"? How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief in one god out of an infinite possible selection? -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >Michael Gray wrote: >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>> stumper wrote: >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>> Which god? >>>>>> >>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>> No. >>>> >>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >> >> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >> > >How do you know it does not exist? What "it" are you referring to, child? I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding extent. Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a conclusion is unwarranted? -- Quote
Guest Mistylien Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message news:osadnQjmyuJ5aHPYnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@ptd.net... > Mistylien wrote: >> "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message >> news:wsidnZhOtZCvRHDYnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@ptd.net... Snip< >> >> God is the giver of all languages. >> >> Have you ever heard of the Tower of Babble? >> >> It was God that confused their languages and gave some one language >> and other a differnt one so they could not even comunicate and keep on trying >> to buld the towser that the top could even reach into heaven. >> > > Have you talked to God recently? LOL I talk to The Creator Lord God from time to time yes. It is called Prayer. M, > > -- > ~Stumper Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Michael Gray wrote: > On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> > wrote: > - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >> Michael Gray wrote: >>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> >>> wrote: >>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple >>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like >>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the >>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do >>>>>> with it]? >>>>>> >>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original >>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were >>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no >>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> >>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing? >>>> What do YOU think you're doing? >>> Bzzzt! >>> Meaningless question. >>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought. >> Point taken; I withdraw the question. > > Objection sustained. > > Now, what about this defence of... > <shuffles papers> > Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"? > What does the defendent have to say? > > You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn. > Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher? > Take off his straight jacket? I object! Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote: - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@comcast.com> >Michael Gray wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple >>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like >>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the >>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do >>>>>>> with it]? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original >>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were >>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no >>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> >>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing? >>>>> What do YOU think you're doing? >>>> Bzzzt! >>>> Meaningless question. >>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought. >>> Point taken; I withdraw the question. >> >> Objection sustained. >> >> Now, what about this defence of... >> <shuffles papers> >> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"? >> What does the defendent have to say? >> >> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn. >> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher? >> >Take off his straight jacket? I object! The learned counsel's objection is sustained. Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality. The Jury will now consider it's verdict. -- Quote
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173322420.878055.7950@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > > > wrote: > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com> > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you? > > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow. > > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my > > diety. Atheists are nothing if not inventive. > > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. Too much > medication, or not enough? I am fairly good at staying away from medical science. Robert B. Winn and, obviously, your much needed psychiatrists Quote
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message news:75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net... > Michael Gray wrote: >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net> >>> Do you know what it means >>> for someone to believe in God? >> >> Yes. >> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of >> evidence. >> > > What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"? > What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"? > > -- > ~Stumper Try to focus your attention here on earth, and at this time. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Mar 7, 10:00�pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote: > Michael Gray wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> > > wrote: > > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Mar 8, 4:08?am, "ZenIsWhen" <onesmalls...@verizon.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173322420.878055.7950@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com> > > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight > > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you? > > > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow. > > > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my > > > diety. Atheists are nothing if not inventive. > > > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. Too much > > medication, or not enough? > > I am fairly good at staying away from medical science. > Robert B. Winn > > and, obviously, your much needed psychiatrists Quote
Guest jl Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 On Mar 8, 4:39 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > wrote: > - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com> > > > > > > >Michael Gray wrote: > >> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > >> wrote: > >> - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > >>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple > >>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like > >>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the > >>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do > >>>>>>> with it]? > > >>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original > >>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were > >>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no > >>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing? > >>>>> What do YOU think you're doing? > >>>> Bzzzt! > >>>> Meaningless question. > >>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought. > >>> Point taken; I withdraw the question. > > >> Objection sustained. > > >> Now, what about this defence of... > >> <shuffles papers> > >> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"? > >> What does the defendent have to say? > > >> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn. > >> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher? > > >Take off his straight jacket? I object! > > The learned counsel's objection is sustained. > Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality. > > The Jury will now consider it's verdict. Let the judge without a jury make findings of fact and conclusions of law. Winn's not entitled to a jury. Maybe Winn will get a jury at the last judgment as a consolation for being denied his juries here on earth. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 stumper wrote: > Michael Gray wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> > > wrote: > > - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net> > >> JessHC wrote: > >>> stumper wrote: > >>>> JessHC wrote: > >>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that > >>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? > >>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. > >>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless > >>>>>>>>>>> con-artist. > >>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for > >>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the > >>>>>>>>>>> dollar. > >>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? > >>>>>>>>> Which god? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? > >>>>>>> No. > >>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? > >>>>> Why do you ask? > >>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist. > >>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist. > >>> > >> Do you know what it means > >> for someone to believe in God? > > > > Yes. > > It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of > > evidence. > > > > What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"? > What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"? Non-responsive. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 7, 12:09?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote: > > > > ? - Refer: <1hukpsp.1pxrmuu1t335k3N%scottrichter...@yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the > > >> > > earth? > > > > >> > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he > > >> > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too > > >> > cute for words! > > > > >> > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not > > >> > cute at all, it's just ridiculous. > > > > >> Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. ?Why > > >> don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he > > >> returns to judge the earth? > > > > >Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous. > > > > >Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the > > >threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you > > >come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by > > >claiming a monster is in the closet. > > > > >Does any of this make sense to you? > > > > Too many big words. > > Too much threatening reality. > > Too much sanity for pathetic little Bobby. > > > I have never seen an atheist say anything that had much meaning. That's the sad result of your inability to interact with reality. > Now, Isaiah was a person who could make meaningful statements. As is this statement. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 7, 4:21?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > So did the storm come? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173267775.211415.259560@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah? > > > Isaiah 4:6 ?And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the > > > daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge , and for a covert > > > from storm , and from rain. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > The storm did come. Only in your brain. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god! > > > God is eternal. Unsupported assertion. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > > > > >Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? > > > > > > That appears to be an avowed goal of his. > > > > > Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? > > > > Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. > > > > > Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? > > > > No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs > > on everyone. > > As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of > speech. Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? Nope. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 7, 6:12?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! > > > > > > ?> > > > > No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof > > > > cannot be shifted to the non-believers. > > > > > > The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the > > > > null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. > > > > > >http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm > > > > > >http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm > > > > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah? > > > Isaiah 4:6 ?And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the > > > daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge , and for a covert > > > from storm , and from rain. > > > > Please provide a rational, legitimate reason for any atheist to > > consider any quote from your book of mythology as anything other than > > part of your mythology.- Hide quoted text - > > > > Consider it any way you want to consider it. Non-responsive. You lose. > You had an atheist in alt.bible trying to convince people that the Bible does not exist. Unsupported assertion. You lose. > If the Bible does not exist, why are you atheists considering verses from > the book of Isaiah? Non sequitur. You lose. Quote
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