Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1171372253.254402.98350@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... On Feb 12, 9:29�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:53�am, "Donna" <dow...@theriver.com> wrote: > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different > > > > God > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > actually > > > > > exist. > > > > Proof of God and Her Son will occur in the year 2009, in the > > > month of March. You have been warned so be prepared. > > > DEM > > > The day and the hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven, but > > my Father only. > > Robert B. Winn > > It's hard to decide which was more banal - the post or the reply ! > GROAN- Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - The person who made the post was an atheist, Bob. Can't you even recognize your own religion? Robert B. Winn -------------------- Bob never recognises his own religion. His religion is disbelief, but when anyone calls himself a Christian and does, as well justifies doing the opposite from what Christ preached, Bob would always believe that person. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171413590.219240.10340@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> > > would make itself known. >> >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > >All things that exist show that there is a God. So you assert without any kind of support at all. >So why is it that you >do not want to read the Bible? I've read it. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have > > anything to support your strange belief? > > Robert B. Winn > > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of > any god. Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. You are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. I am saying that it does. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > thousands..... > > > > Bob > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > thousands..... > > > > Bob > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171414451.120125.63680@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> > > > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> > > > > > > would make itself known. >> >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. >> >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? >> >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: >> >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent >> > > > his only Begotten Son. >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. >> >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, >> > > an extra drop of wine as well. >> >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of >> > > thousands..... >> >> > > Bob >> > > Humanist Brit. >> >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] >> >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have > > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Of course it exists, > > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading > > it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read > > it? > > I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different > languages. There is still no evidence that it is true. How did you like the book of Isaiah? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 4:11 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > "thomas p." wrote: > > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of > > any god. > > Christians don't believe there are contradictions in the bible. > > Why? > > Because it's not written in the bible that there are any. > > [With acknowledgments to Andrew W.] I am a Christian, and I believe there are contradictions in the Bible. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that: >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> > > > > > > would make itself known. >> >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >> >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have >> > > > anything to support your strange belief? >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > Of course it exists, >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading >> > it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read >> > it? >> >> I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different >> languages. There is still no evidence that it is true. > >How did you like the book of Isaiah? What about it? And please don't say "VIRGIN BIRTH!!!111oneoneoneeleven" It's just not in there. Properly translated, Is 7:14 reads "look, a young woman has conceived and shall give birth", which she does in Is 8:3. The child is then praised as the prince of peace and wonderful counselor (Is 9:6). But, you go right on believing that it's about jesus--believe it in the face of the textual evidence to the contrary. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest jls Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 7:52 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > thousands..... > > > > > Bob > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest jls Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" [...] Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah predicted to be god? The messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god. Answer that, Winn, if you can. You won't, of course. The birth, death, and resurrection thing is stolen from older religions, and so is the demi-god idea, the birth of a savior or half god from the copulation of a mortal and a god. The Caesars were all demi-gods. They were conceived and born from the copulation of a mortal and a god. Christianity is not an original religion. It is derivative of religions which antedate it by hundreds of years. It is a plagiarism. Would you say that Homer's poetry was entirely original? Well, it was not. Here is Kipling telling you it was stolen: WHEN 'Omer smote 'is bloomin' lyre, He'd 'eard men sing by land an' sea; An' what he thought 'e might require, 'E went an' took-the same as me! The market-girls an' fishermen, The shepherds an' the sailors, too, They 'eard old songs turn up again, But kep' it quiet-same as you! They knew 'e stole; 'e knew they knowed. They didn't tell, nor make a fuss, But winked at 'Omer down the road, An' 'e winked back-the same as us! Your bible is not original, nor is it divinely inspired. Its stories were taken from the myths of older cultures. Live with it. Be a man and accept your mortality. Face life fearlessly, and quit being so arrogant as to think some bigdaddy in the sky loves you and wants to take you to his bosom when your carcass is exhausted. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Free Lunch wrote: > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in > <1171414451.120125.63680@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > >> > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> > > > > > > would make itself known. > >> > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn > >> > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > >> > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > >> > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > >> > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > >> > > > his only Begotten Son. > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > >> > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > >> > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well. > >> > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > >> > > thousands..... > >> > >> > > Bob > >> > > Humanist Brit. > >> > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > >> > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> > > - Show quoted text - > >> > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Free Lunch wrote: > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in > <1171413590.219240.10340@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > ?Not even just one? > >> > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> > > would make itself known. > >> > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> > Robert B. Winn > >> > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God. [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > > > So you assert without any kind of support at all. > > >So why is it that you > >do not want to read the Bible? > > I've read it. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171373482.449698.151240@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib貦quot; > > > > <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of > > > > > > different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > actually > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > What do you call resurrection? > > > > > An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at > > > > least > > > > forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of > > > > those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by > > > > Irenaeus > > > > in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first > > > > few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration > > > > by > > > > contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as > > > > writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these > > > > were > > > > written (well after the Jewish revolt). > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more.... > > > > > The Anthropic Principle > > > > > <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle> > > > > Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a > > > > perfect fit". > > > > Bill > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid, > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as > > > fiction in the second century also? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Isaiah exists in so much that it tells impossible tales designed to > > 'impress' > > the followrs of the day, and still does impress some folks with a warped > > sense > > of reasoning. > > > Isiah ch xxxvii vol 36 > > > Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote the camp of the > > Assyrians a > > hundred and fourscore and five thousand; and when they arose in the > > morning, > > behold, they were all dead corpses > > Maybe your god's angel [groan] was too busy slaughtering humans to > > bother about > > having such a silly 'fau pas' left uncorrected- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, Bob, something obviously happened. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > <bill.m.thomas@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1171370398.642281.183600@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 13, 4:50 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> On Feb 12, 4:31?pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th > >> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote: > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote > >> > innews:1171292648.170953.150200@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com: > >> > > On Feb 11, 9:53?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > >> > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > >> > On Feb 11, 3:20?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of > >> > >> > > different > >> > >> > > God beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these > >> > >> > > Gods > >> > >> > > actually exist. > >> > >> > >> > > Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective > >> > >> > > verifiable evidence that no Gods actually exist. > >> > >> > >> > > Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 > >> > >> > > BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light > >> > >> > > travels at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is > >> > >> > > incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our World, is but a > >> > >> > > speck of dust in this vast Universe. > >> > >> > >> > > The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION > >> > >> > > YEARS > >> > >> > > old. Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth > >> > >> > > for > >> > >> > > approximately 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible > >> > >> > > were written, most of mankind believed the world was flat and > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around the Earth. Many believed > >> > >> > > that Christopher Columbus might sail to the edge of the earth, > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > might fall off, during his trip that discovered the new > >> > >> > > continent. > >> > >> > >> > The question I have for you, Bill, is in measuring all of these > >> > >> > huge > >> > >> > amounts of time, do you consider time to be relative or absolute? > >> > >> > Robert B. Winn > >> > >> > >> Backs up against the wall again are we?- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > >> > >> > > Your backs are always up against the wall. ?If you say absolute time, > >> > > then you agree with Isaac Newton's concept of the universe, which > >> > > scientists say they have discredited. ?If you say relative time, then > >> > > a day can be a billion years. ?Which do you prefer? > >> > > Robert B. Winn > >> > >> > We will work with proper time. Which is near enough to the time used > >> > with > >> > respect to historical events. > >> > >> > Klazmon.- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > >> > >> Well, scientists do not work with proper time. They use sidereal > >> time and atomic time. So what is your use of proper time supposed to > >> mean? > >> Robert B. Winn > > > > Any scientist or mathematician familiar with special or general > > relativity knows exactly what is meant by proper time. A billion years > > of historical time is more or less equal to billion years of proper > > time for any observer or clock on the Earth's surface. The differences > > due to variation in the Earth's gravity and speed versus latitude are > > of no consequence for historical purposes. Your point was and is dead > > on arrival. > > > We all agree, that the god(s) of you definition do indeed not exist. Now > pay yourself a nickel for realizing that and go buy yourself a gumball. That > should keep your mouth busy for a while, ...constructively. > Btw. the God of Christ is a Spirit" which must be served in spirit and > in truth. (John 4:24) And "Spirit" deals with qualities of attitudes which > Christ demonstrated and for which we crucified Him. Combined Accuracy and Intelligence Quota for the above post. [CAIQ] [The maximum possible award points for individual posts is 500.] Points awarded for the above -3 GAL [Get a life] > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb., 23:16, "Semper Liber" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> wrote: > "bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message > > news:45CFF318.7E58F674@netvigator.com... > > > > > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 01:39, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > would make itself known. > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > All things that exist show that there is a God. Name one of them and explain why it is evidence of a god. >So why is it that you > do not want to read the Bible? > Robert B. Winn Since I have read the Bible, and since I have never told you that I am unwilling to read it; you are lying. Why do you lie so much? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of > > any god. > > Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. You > are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. I am saying that it > does. > I have never said that the Bible does not exist. Why do you tell such incredibly silly lies? Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 01:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > thousands..... > > > > > Bob > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 01:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > thousands..... > > > > > Bob > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Why don't you > > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 01:59, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have > > > > > anything to support your strange belief? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Of course it exists, > > > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading > > > it. Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read > > > it? > > > I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different > > languages. There is still no evidence that it is true. > > How did you like the book of Isaiah? Are you now admitting that you lied? Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171373596.183278.161670@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... What is there to explain? The books were written by somebody. So what? ----------------- All books were written by "somebody", the difference being merely one of the quality of what they contain. You obviously don't like books or you would advocate them, instead of trashing what other people advocate. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171373671.036882.157370@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... The Bibles exist. They are not evidence for any god. Stop being so extremely stupid - or dishonest. ------------------ 'Dishonest'? Your definition of the word "god" is dishonest. There is no evidence of any god of YOUR definition, for the god or devil of your definition doesn't exist. You make sure of that, by giving that word the most ridiculous and "extremely stupid" definition possible. We know our Christian God and have seen Him in Christ Jesus on the cross of Calvary, giving His precious and innocent life for us sinners. Pastor Frank "GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE: Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM." Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us." Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS." Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one. Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in me should not abide in darkness." Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU." 1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE. 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most secret thoughts. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
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