Guest Michael Gray Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote: - Refer: <CKqdnUXGtuoTEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com> >rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it]? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing? >>>>>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing? >>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzt! >>>>>>>>>>> Meaningless question. >>>>>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought. >>>>>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question. >>>>>>>>> Objection sustained. >>>>>>>>> Now, what about this defence of... >>>>>>>>> <shuffles papers> >>>>>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"? >>>>>>>>> What does the defendent have to say? >>>>>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn. >>>>>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher? >>>>>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object! >>>>>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained. >>>>>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality. >>>>>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict. >>>>>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has >>>>>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ? >>>>> ?> >>>>> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are >>>>> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never >>>>> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe, >>>>> are you?- >>>> Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make >>>> believe? >>> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence >>> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html >>> >> Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be >> pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings? >> >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > >Even you should be able to grasp that. He does grasp it. He is desperately thrashing about for attention. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote: - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLinZ2d@comcast.com> >rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. >>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? >>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? >>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs >>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. >>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of >>>>>>>>>> speech. >>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. >>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. >>>>> You missed this line: >>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit >>>>> And this one: >>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - >>>> Actually, I q >>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - >>> >> 147 > > >Liar. He dropped a decimal place. -- Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Mettas Mother wrote: > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He > also has a Father. > Robert B. Winn > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 7:48�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 11 Mar 2007 06:25:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1173619548.842755.64...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Mar 10, 9:28?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 10 Mar 2007 20:17:37 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1173586657.609454.172...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>: > > ... > > >> >Well, if you think Jesus Christ is pathetic, tell him what you think > >> >when he returns to judge the earth. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On 11 Mar 2007 19:10:21 -0700, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1173665421.549142.205870@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>: >On Mar 11, 7:48?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 11 Mar 2007 06:25:48 -0700, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1173619548.842755.64...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >On Mar 10, 9:28?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On 10 Mar 2007 20:17:37 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> >> <1173586657.609454.172...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>: >> >> ... >> >> >> >Well, if you think Jesus Christ is pathetic, tell him what you think >> >> >when he returns to judge the earth. (at does your opinion have to do >> >> >with me? >> >> >> I'm quite familiar with Christianity and its many variants. You don't >> >> teach Christianity by any reasonable definition of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >Well, I would just as soon let Jesus Christ be the judge of what I >> >teach. You , of course, are welcome to your own opinion, but your >> >opinion does not mean anything to me. >> >> So, what's with the "just you wait" excuse that you keep using every >> time that people point out that you don't have any evidence to support >> one of your claims? Why should anyone believe you when you cannot do >> anything but post unrelated quoted from Isaiah, threats about future >> that you cannot support, and paranoid claims about how the justice >> system has been undermined by the Supreme Court. >> >> I would be surprised if you cared about anyone's opinion. It appears >> that you worship your own teachings and will never consider anything >> that anyone else ever has to say. It seems likely that your stubborn >> attitude makes life difficult for you. > >Well, if it does not matter to you, why are you so insistent on >contradicting everything I say? I don't contradict everything you say. I point out your errors or the unsupported claims you make. When you post facts, I don't have any problems. > The only thing I can do is refer you >to Jesus Christ or quote one of his prophets such as Isaiah. You have >no answer for Jesus Christ or Isaiah. You have no way to refute >them, whereas, if I tried to answer from my own resources, you would >convince yourself that you had in someway overcome me.- When it comes to the Bible there is nothing to refute, except the purposes that some people try to turn it to. But I don't blame the Bible for the misuse that some people make of it. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 12:48�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Let's Assume that your GOD exists! > Atheists do not believe about the existence or non-existence of God. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. > Robert B. Winn Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? Robvert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 5:42�pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > wrote: > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 5:43�pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > wrote: > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 6:49�pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote: > Mettas Mother wrote: > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 11, 7:14�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 11 Mar 2007 19:10:21 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1173665421.549142.205...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 11, 7:48?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 11 Mar 2007 06:25:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1173619548.842755.64...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Mar 10, 9:28?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On 10 Mar 2007 20:17:37 -0800, in alt.atheism > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> >> <1173586657.609454.172...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>: > > >> ... > > >> >> >Well, if you think Jesus Christ is pathetic, tell him what you think > >> >> >when he returns to judge the earth. (at does your opinion have to do > >> >> >with me? > > >> >> I'm quite familiar with Christianity and its many variants. You don't > >> >> teach Christianity by any reasonable definition of it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >Well, I would just as soon let Jesus Christ be the judge of what I > >> >teach. Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So those who say so are lunatics? "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:mc-dnbeDLaAHPmnYnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com... > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He > > also has a Father. > > Robert B. Winn > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 I don't think that is possible. By the time he return I would have hijacked earth to the next galaxy! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173666018.761841.125460@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... > Well, Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea to. Why > don't you take some time to explain it to him when he returns to judge > the earth? > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 I died some two thousand years ago. God existed then. But one day when we were playing poker we got drunk and some of us thought god cheated and drove the knife through god's heart! After god's death we regretted our actions, because then we had one lesser partner at poker! If Jesus returns do you think that we could collect from him the money that his father stole from us? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173666099.791233.232650@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com... > > Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > Robvert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 How do you know that that was not a lie? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >On Mar 11, 6:49�pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote: > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > Actually he did. > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Elroy Willis Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>> Is your God male? >>> Why do you ask? >> To figure out how to properly talk about God. > You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was given > by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven. Where's heaven? Outer space? -- Elroy Willis http://www.elroysemporium.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:12�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I died some two thousand years ago. > God existed then. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:14�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you know that that was not a lie? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 6:39�am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote: > >>>> Is your God male? > >>> Why do you ask? > >> To figure out how to properly talk about God. > > You don't have to figure it out. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message news:CKqdnUXGtuoTEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com... > > That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized by > an absence of belief in the existence of > gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > Even you should be able to grasp that. > You obviously don't "grasp that" either, for it's a lie. We all know there are existing gods aplenty, for anything or anyone can be a god to somebody. Our Museums have large collections of objects which people regarded as gods, and our libraries are bulging with abstract principles and qualities which represent god(s). Therefore, atheism is defined by a lack of belief (of credence) in god(s), whether they exist or not. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote: > > >>>> Is your God male? > > >>> Why do you ask? > > >> To figure out how to properly talk about God. > > > You don't have to figure it out. ?The example of how to pray was given > > > by Jesus Christ. ?It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven. > > > > Where's heaven? ?Outer space? > > Where there is no sin. Ah! In atheism, then. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > How do you know that that was not a lie? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote: > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > Actually he did. > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > for the sins of mankind. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 4:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I died some two thousand years ago. > > God existed then. ?But one day when we were playing > > poker we got drunk and some of us thought god > > cheated and drove the knife through god's heart! > > After god's death we regretted our actions, because > > then we had one lesser partner at poker! > > > > If Jesus returns do you think that we could > > collect from him the money that > > his father stole from us? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173666099.791233.232650@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com... > > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > Robvert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I think you should take your complaints to Jesus Christ when he > returns to judge the earth. However, the scriptures say that no one > is going to do that. You've yet to explain how anyone can discuss anything with a fictional character. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" > > <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >>"Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message > >>news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>> Mettas Mother wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! > >>> > >>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof > >>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. > >>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the > >>> null, > >>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. > >>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm > >>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm > >>> > >> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with > >>you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. > >>But > >>then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) > >>they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. > >>our > >>Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if > >>need be. > > > > Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? > > > Jesus Christ evidenced God by giving His life on the cross of Calvary > for us sinners and not for His own benefit, nor for anyone virtuous or > perfect, nor famous or deserving. That's nice, except it's only a story; it didn't really happen. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" > > <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >>"Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message > >>news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>> Mettas Mother wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! > >>> > >>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof > >>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. > >>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the > >>> null, > >>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. > >>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm > >>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm > >>> > >> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with > >>you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. > >>But > >>then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) > >>they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. > >>our > >>Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if > >>need be. > > > > Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? > > Gospel Bretts > > a.a. atheist #2262 > > Fundy Xian Atheist > > > That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also > Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our behalf > and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind? Who told you you could select which bits of the bible you want to follow? Quote
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