Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> > wrote: > > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He > > > also has a Father. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > Actually he did. Cite? Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > wrote: > > ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> > > >rbwinn wrote: > > >> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > >>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? > > >>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs > > >>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. > > >>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of > > >>>>>>>>>> speech. > > >>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. > > >>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. > > >>>>> You missed this line: > > >>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit > > >>>>> And this one: > > >>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> Actually, I q > > >>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> 147 > > > > >Liar. > > > > He dropped a decimal place. > > > You asked. Sorry you did not like the answer. The answer is not supported by the evidence. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > wrote: > > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized > > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." > > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > > > > >Even you should be able to grasp that. > > > > He does grasp it. > > He is desperately thrashing about for attention. > > > Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to > do. The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is > always an adverse incident. So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists? Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! > > > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. > > Robert B. Winn > > Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? Because he isn't real. Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 How do you know that the person that died on the cross was Jesus Christ and not his look like or decoy? "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f54868$0$5559$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also > Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our behalf > and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind? > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 How do you know that the person that died on the cross was Jesus Christ and not his look like or decoy? "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f5486b$0$5559$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Jesus Christ evidenced God by giving His life on the cross of Calvary > for us sinners and not for His own benefit, nor for anyone virtuous or > perfect, nor famous or deserving. Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So do God love Satan? "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f5486e$0$5559$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Same as you would know what someone you love would do, or would not do. > "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > How do you know what Jesus would do, then, Frank? Do you feel it in your heart? Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Why the scriptures say that! Is it because we killed GOD? "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > I think you should take your complaints to Jesus Christ when he > returns to judge the earth. However, the scriptures say that no one > is going to do that. > Robert B. Winn > "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I died some two thousand years ago. >> God existed then. But one day when we were playing >> poker we got drunk and some of us thought god >> cheated and drove the knife through god's heart! >> After god's death we regretted our actions, because >> then we had one lesser partner at poker! > >> If Jesus returns do you think that we could >> collect from him the money that >> his father stole from us? Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 How do you know that the sins were atoned? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone >for the sins of mankind. >Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Mettas Mother 66:99 Thy shall not lie! "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173709977.992016.127790@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Matthew 16:28 > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Go to the largest shopping centre in town. Go to the front left corner male toilet at basement 2. Enter cubicle 6. It is written behind the door! "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173710649.802534.4830@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote: > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > Actually he did. > Cite? Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 11, 5:43�pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> >> wrote: >> � - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> >> >> >> >> >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs >>>>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. >>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of >>>>>>>>>>>> speech. >>>>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. >>>>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. >>>>>>> You missed this line: >>>>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit >>>>>>> And this one: >>>>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> Actually, I q >>>>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - >>>> 147 >>> Liar. >> He dropped a decimal place. >> > You asked. Sorry you did not like the answer. > It's not a matter of likes and dislikes, mooooron, we just do not believe you. The low quality of your scholarship and erudition speaks for itself. Plus you got caught in a lie, that JessHC is opposed to freedom of speech. Standing in opposition to the radical religious right trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land is not opposition to freedom of speech, it is merely the defense of the constitutional principle of separation of church and state. Quote
Guest Elroy Willis Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >> Where's heaven? Outer space? > Where there is no sin. So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? -- Elroy Willis http://www.elroysemporium.com Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 "H. Wm. Esque" <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:5veIh.2541$nV1.636@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > > "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message > news:1173078562.784079.63380@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> On Mar 5, 3:36 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message >> > >> > news:1173060933.990849.262500@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > > On Mar 4, 6:05 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > > > "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > >> > > >news:1hue729.pr88setfk8njN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... >> > >> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> > >> > > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? >> > >> > > Yes. >> > >> > > > If so, whose responsibility >> > > > is proof? >> > >> > > Anybody can prove it wrong at any time by presenting evidence. >> > > Nobody can ever prove it correct. >> > >> > > > I would contend there is no way to prove such a >> > > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the >> > > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents. >> > >> > > "The claim cannot be proved - so therefore it is the claiments >> > > responsibility to prove it." >> > > That doesn't sound at all logical to me - forcing the impossible onto >> > > a party as an obligation. >> > >> > If the claiment cannot prove his claim, he is a fool to make it; >> > trying to shift the burden of proof doesn't get him off the hook! >> > >> >> Sure. >> I have seen many people claim there is evidence for God and I know >> that I have never seen any such evidence so I dont feel the need to >> make any claims - I will just wait patiently for the positive side to >> show me the goods. >> > In this case, I personally made no counter claim. The claim I challenged > is "NO EVIDENCE OF GOD". This is the _only_ claim. Therefore, > I assume nothing. The burden of proof is on the shoulders of the ones > making the claim. I would like to see how you would attempt to prove > such an impossible claim. It's like trying to prove that there is NO > intelligent life anywhere ELSE in the universe, nowhere other than the > planet earth. It may not be but it's impossible to prove. > > A few years ago I subscribed to newsgroups, but quickly became > disenchanted and left the groups. I was hoping this "Christian" > newsgroup would be different. What christian newsgroup is that. There are several newsgroups listed in the header. BTW, if you don't want to speak to those outside of your religion, don't crosspost. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> Mettas Mother wrote: >>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! >>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof >>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. >>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the >>>> null, >>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. >>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm >>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm >>>> >>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with >>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. >>> But >>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) >>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. >>> our >>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if >>> need be. >> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? >> Gospel Bretts >> a.a. atheist #2262 >> Fundy Xian Atheist >> > That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also > Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our behalf > and taking it up again. > Oh, he was revived? How is it a sacrifice then if he did not actually die? Sacrifice entails actually killing an animal. sacrifice: the act of killing (an animal or person) in order to propitiate a deity wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Your religious beliefs don't make sense, old son. Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> Mettas Mother wrote: >>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! >>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof >>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. >>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the >>>> null, >>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. >>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm >>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm >>>> >>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with >>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. >>> But >>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) >>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. >>> our >>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if >>> need be. >> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? >> > Jesus Christ evidenced God by giving His life ... > Liar, Jesus still has his life, according to you. Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 JessHC wrote: > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> >>> wrote: >>>> That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized >>>> by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." >>>> --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html >>>> Even you should be able to grasp that. >>> He does grasp it. >>> He is desperately thrashing about for attention. >>> >> Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to >> do. The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is >> always an adverse incident. > > So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists? > Obviously he is a masochist, someone who obtains pleasure from being spanked. wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Quote
Guest H. Wm. Esque Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:55le0hF25q8crU1@mid.individual.net... > > "H. Wm. Esque" <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:5veIh.2541$nV1.636@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > > > > "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message > > news:1173078562.784079.63380@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> On Mar 5, 3:36 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message > >> > > >> > news:1173060933.990849.262500@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > > On Mar 4, 6:05 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > > > "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> > > >> > > >news:1hue729.pr88setfk8njN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... > >> > > >> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? > >> > > >> > > Yes. > >> > > >> > > > If so, whose responsibility > >> > > > is proof? > >> > > >> > > Anybody can prove it wrong at any time by presenting evidence. > >> > > Nobody can ever prove it correct. > >> > > >> > > > I would contend there is no way to prove such a > >> > > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the > >> > > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents. > >> > > >> > > "The claim cannot be proved - so therefore it is the claiments > >> > > responsibility to prove it." > >> > > That doesn't sound at all logical to me - forcing the impossible onto > >> > > a party as an obligation. > >> > > >> > If the claiment cannot prove his claim, he is a fool to make it; > >> > trying to shift the burden of proof doesn't get him off the hook! > >> > > >> > >> Sure. > >> I have seen many people claim there is evidence for God and I know > >> that I have never seen any such evidence so I dont feel the need to > >> make any claims - I will just wait patiently for the positive side to > >> show me the goods. > >> > > In this case, I personally made no counter claim. The claim I challenged > > is "NO EVIDENCE OF GOD". This is the _only_ claim. Therefore, > > I assume nothing. The burden of proof is on the shoulders of the ones > > making the claim. I would like to see how you would attempt to prove > > such an impossible claim. It's like trying to prove that there is NO > > intelligent life anywhere ELSE in the universe, nowhere other than the > > planet earth. It may not be but it's impossible to prove. > > > > A few years ago I subscribed to newsgroups, but quickly became > > disenchanted and left the groups. I was hoping this "Christian" > > newsgroup would be different. > > What christian newsgroup is that. There are several newsgroups listed in the > header. > Alt.religion.gods > > BTW, if you don't want to speak to those outside of your religion, don't > crosspost. > How then would you propose that I respond to your message unless you are subscribed to my NG? -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 > > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 7:44?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> > > wrote: > > > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He > > > > also has a Father. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > Actually he did. > > Cite?- Hide quoted text - > John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 7:45�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > > wrote: > > > ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> > > > >rbwinn wrote: > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > >>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. > > > >>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of > > > >>>>>>>>>> speech. > > > >>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. > > > >>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. > > > >>>>> You missed this line: > > > >>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit > > > >>>>> And this one: > > > >>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> Actually, I q > > > >>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> 147 > > > > >Liar. > > > > He dropped a decimal place. > > > You asked. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 7:46�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > > wrote: > > > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized > > > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." > > > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > > > > >Even you should be able to grasp that. > > > > He does grasp it. > > > He is desperately thrashing about for attention. > > > Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to > > do. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 7:51�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! > > > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Why don't Quote
Guest Andrew Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On 2007-03-12 14:36:25 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said: > > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >>>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> Mettas Mother wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! >>>>> >>>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof >>>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. >>>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the >>>>> null, >>>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. >>>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm >>>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm >>>>> >>>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with >>>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. >>>> But >>>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) >>>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. >>>> our >>>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if >>>> need be. >>> >>> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? >>> Gospel Bretts >>> a.a. atheist #2262 >>> Fundy Xian Atheist >>> >> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also >> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our behalf >> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind? > > Who told you you could select which bits of the bible you want to > follow? That's what "free will" means Jess. It's also what comes of the gift of intelligence and reason. The Bible is a collection of ancient Semitic writings. Its proper use requires thought, prayer and reflection. Quote
Guest Andrew Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On 2007-03-12 14:35:11 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said: > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >>>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> Mettas Mother wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! >>>>> >>>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof >>>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. >>>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the >>>>> null, >>>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. >>>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm >>>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm >>>>> >>>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with >>>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. >>>> But >>>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s) >>>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. >>>> our >>>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if >>>> need be. >>> >>> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? >>> >> Jesus Christ evidenced God by giving His life on the cross of Calvary >> for us sinners and not for His own benefit, nor for anyone virtuous or >> perfect, nor famous or deserving. > > That's nice, except it's only a story; it didn't really happen. You were there? You have evidence to back that assertion? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 9:02�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Why the scriptures say that! Quote
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