Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171373780.070323.55070@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > And no evidence for the truth of your beliefs. > Only as little as you have evidence for you disbelief. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of these lists of things you do not believe? Do you have any lists of things you believe? Robert B. Winn ------------------ Atheists ONLY have lists of disbeliefs. They hope that by the time they have listed all their disbeliefs, what's left over must be believable. It's a vain hope, for atheists don't look for anything believable, and so would miss it, were something believable to show up. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:53e02eF1rng9cU1@mid.individual.net... > "Piedmont" <no@spam.net> wrote in message > news:45d0908c$0$16284$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> Text copied from: http://www.bahai-education.org/ Free Download of >> software titled: "Ocean" >> >> PROOFS AND EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD >> One of the proofs and demonstrations of the existence of God is the fact >> that man did not create himself: nay, his creator and designer is another > > Please don't post your bullshit in alt.atheism. > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 Please Poo, stop proselytizing atheism in our pristine and hallowed Christian NGs. Thanks. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Bill M Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... On Feb 12, 9:56?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 6:08?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1171293511.193526.126780@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > > > On Feb 11, 9:57?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > "Semper Libr" wrote: > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of > > > > > > different God > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods > > > > > > actually > > > > > > exist. > > > >Well, suppose there had been some priests like the ones in your > > > >fictional account? Use of true events in the pursuit of priestcraft > > > >is always possible. We already know that everyone, including priests, > > > >commit sin, with the exception of Jesus Christ. What priests do does > > > >not affect the life and atonement of Jesus Christ. > > > >Robert B. Winn > > > > The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any > > > solid > > > objective verifiable evidence. Should we believe in a god for whom > > > there is > > > NO solid objective evidence? The evidence available is quite the > > > contrary. > > > It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is based purely on faith > > > in > > > totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable evidence > > > of > > > any kind. > > > > The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of > > > unknown > > > veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. > > > There are > > > NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted > > > and > > > disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the originals > > > said. > > > > The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, > > > contradictions > > > and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone of the > > > English > > > Bible interpretations. > > > > According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth > > > and > > > everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created > > > during this > > > time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS. > > > > According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly > > > created > > > this huge complex Universe in six days! > > > > This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named > > > Jesus > > > to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach > > > his > > > wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has > > > existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years > > > to > > > come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he > > > himself > > > created!)? > > > > This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to > > > Earth as > > > a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a > > > virgin > > > called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous way? > > > Arrogant humans had to make up a myth > > > about a god arriving from the womb of another human. > > > > If Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of > > > Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be > > > married to > > > a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all > > > powerful > > > god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to create? > > > He > > > supposedly created the Universe and everything in it! > > > > If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why > > > did he > > > use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on > > > earth??? > > > > He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as > > > an > > > adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. > > > After > > > about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants > > > that > > > he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and > > > commands. > > > > There are no significant records of Jesus', (the Christ) actual > > > existence in > > > the non religious documents of the era. Depending upon which Bible > > > story you > > > choose, it is claimed he preached his doctrines for less than one, two > > > or > > > three years. In any case, why put himself on earth for some thirty > > > inconsequential years and only use a few of these years to preach his > > > doctrines? And then not use his omnipotent power to preach to the > > > WHOLE > > > world instead of just a miniscule part of the world around Jerusalem? > > > > Jesus was baptized. In Christianity, baptism is the sacrament of > > > regeneration and initiation into the Christian church. According to a > > > theme > > > of St. Paul the Apostle, baptism is death to a former life and the > > > emergence > > > of a new person, signified by the conferring of a new name; it is the > > > total > > > annulment of the sins of one's past, from which one emerges a totally > > > innocent person. Then why would a 'God Jesus' need to be baptized? > > > > His sermons and teachings only reached a miniscule part of the world > > > population at that time because he did not speak via the equivalent of > > > International Radio or TV. IF he was an ALL powerful creator of the > > > world, > > > he certainly would have the ability to speak to ALL of mankind by > > > means at > > > least as effective as man. Why did this all powerful god creator wait > > > 100,000 years to come and preach to only a very small segment of the > > > world, > > > for a very short period of time, (depending on which Bible you choose) > > > and > > > then leave us without ANY solid objective verifiable evidence of his > > > existence, his wishes and commands? Why did he not preserve his > > > teachings in > > > some permanent form for all of mankind in the future? The Bibles were > > > supposedly written by 56 or more authors of unknown veracity over a > > > period > > > of thousands of years. There are NO - NADA originals of any of the > > > Bibles in > > > existence. The originals have all rotted and disappeared thousands of > > > years > > > ago. They are all hand copies of copies etc. of unknown actual origin > > > and > > > veracity. > > > > Why would any omnipotent God, creator of this huge complex Universe, > > > provide > > > his message in such a sloppy, inaccurate, unreliable, questionable and > > > confusing manor??? > > > > Why did he not use his great omnipotent powers to preach to the WHOLE > > > world > > > from his Heaven, instead of just preaching to an insignificant portion > > > of > > > the world?? Why did he leave most of mankind totally in the dark? > > > > He supposedly distributed his word via hand copied documents called > > > the > > > Bibles. Yet NONE of the Bibles were written during his 'claimed' time > > > on > > > earth. The original Bibles were written and hand recopied more than > > > 1500 > > > years before the invention of the printing press. There is no evidence > > > that > > > Jesus ever wrote a word. NO ORIGINAL copies of ANY of the Bibles > > > exist. Why > > > did he not preserve them? The Bibles now in existence are hand copies > > > of > > > copies etc. of unknown and doubtful veracity. They are largely myths, > > > fables, hearsay and contradictory and implausible tales. The four > > > books of > > > the New Testament were written and copied somewhere between 60 and 200 > > > years > > > AFTER Jesus' supposed existence. None of the authors could have known > > > him > > > directly. They are all third person fictional narratives of unknown > > > veracity. Why would a real god, creator of this huge Universe, not > > > arrange > > > for the creation of clear, authentic, contemporary and permanent > > > copies of > > > his word? > > > > During his brief adulthood, preaching his word, he is 'claimed' to > > > have > > > restored site to a few of the blind, restored mobility to a few of the > > > crippled and restored health to a few of the sick. Why was he so > > > niggardly > > > about helping the poor, the disabled and the sick? Is this the likely > > > conduct of an all loving God creator? > > > > After the brief period of time he preached, it only reached a very > > > small > > > part of the world's population. He did not avail himself of any > > > communication means as effective as Radio, TV, Telephone or the > > > Internet. He > > > then allowed himself to be painfully and brutally crucified on a cross > > > between two criminals to pay for man's sins (which he created). If he > > > died > > > on the cross to save mankind, why was mankind no better off after this > > > supposed crucifixion than before? Was all this blood and gore for > > > nothing?! > > > > The Roman courts were models of order and fairness. A man was not > > > condemned > > > without a trial; he was not handed to the executioner before being > > > found > > > guilty. And yet we are asked to believe that an innocent man was > > > brought > > > before a Roman court, where Pontius Pilate was Judge; that no charge > > > of > > > wrongdoing having been brought against him, the Judge declared that he > > > found > > > him innocent; but the mob shouted, "Crucify him; crucify him!" and to > > > please > > > the rabble, Pilate commanded that the man whom he had found innocent, > > > should > > > be delivered to the executioners to be crucified! Also, real criminals > > > were > > > crucified by being 'tied' to the cross - not nailed! What was the > > > purpose of > > > all this blood and gore? Why should any REAL god need to suffer for > > > man's > > > sins??? (which god created) > > > > Why was his life and crucifixion not in any of the numerous historical > > > documents of the time??? Why is this only in church documents? > > > > If Jesus performed the wonderful miracles the New Testament describes, > > > why > > > did the people want him crucified? Is it not amazing that a civilized > > > people > > > would demand that a kind and loving man who went about doing good > > > works, who > > > preached forgiveness, cleansed the leprous, and raised the dead - that > > > they > > > could not be appeased until they had brutally crucified the noblest > > > benefactor of mankind? This makes NO sense at all! > > > > If he could create the Universe and every thing in it, (including sin) > > > why > > > did he not just forgive man's sins, directly from his heaven, without > > > all > > > this blood and gore? Three days after he died he supposedly rose from > > > the > > > dead and returned to his heaven. Why did he wait uncomfortably in a > > > crypt > > > for three days after his death and internment to return to his > > > magnificent > > > heaven? Why did he wait 30 years!? How can an immortal god die? Jesus > > > did > > > not die for our sins. People are still praying to him in his supposed > > > heaven! > > > > What was the logic and purpose of this gruesome and painful killing? > > > Only a > > > miniscule part of the world's population at the time would be aware of > > > this > > > claimed sacrifice. > > > > Billions of people today are still not knowledgeable believers of this > > > highly implausible story. Why did he not preserve a video tape, DVD or > > > other > > > permanent record of this historic episode? If man is capable of these > > > devices certainly a god creator should be equally or more proficient. > > > > Why did he not leave any 'authenticated' documents accurately > > > substantiating > > > his appearance? Why has he failed to communicate further for over > > > 2,000 > > > years? > > > > He supposedly went through this torture and humiliating death to pay > > > for > > > mans sins which he himself created! Why did he not just wave his wand > > > and > > > forgive mans sins and skip all the ridiculous blood and gore??? Why > > > did he > > > create sin in the first place? This should be no problem for a god > > > that > > > created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib, and this immense > > > Universe. > > > Why do people supposedly still have the same sins that he died for? > > > > Why does he encourage or permit Christians to drink his blood and eat > > > his > > > flesh? Isn't this a pagan ritual? > > > > Why does he continue to allow thousands of greedy self serving men to > > > deliver his word to his flock in such a vague, inconsistent, > > > contradictory, > > > and ineffectual manner? There are hundreds of different Christian > > > sects and > > > beliefs. There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs > > > and > > > practices. Why does he allow this gross confusion? Why does he not > > > communicate clearly and DIRECTLY to his entire flock that he is the > > > real god > > > and all the others are fakes? It would be more responsible and more > > > effective to eliminate this gross confusion? > > > > If he is the real god, why does he even permit the belief and > > > propagation of > > > thousands of false gods and false religions? > > > > The Christ tale is obviously not factual but pure myth and legend. > > > > The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the > > > contrary; that man created Gods! > > > Well, what I think you should do is explain your idea to Jesus Christ > > when he returns to judge the earth. > > Robert B. Winn > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of these lists of things you do not believe? Do you have any lists of things you believe? Robert B. Winn Quit trashing the news groups with you meaningless nonsense. Your unnecessarily wasting the time of serious educated posters! Quote
Guest thomas p. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb., 17:50, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 12, 9:56?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > snip > > > > The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the > > > > contrary; that man created Gods! > > > > Well, what I think you should do is explain your idea to Jesus Christ > > > when he returns to judge the earth. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > > What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of > these lists of things you do not believe? > Do you have any lists of things you believe? Do you have any evidence for any of the nonsense you keep posting? No? I didn't think so. > Robert B. Winn > > Quit trashing the news groups with you meaningless nonsense. Why are you so selfish? You can't be the only one who posts an endless stream of inane nonsense. Give others a chance. >Your unnecessarily wasting the time > of serious educated posters! Wow Bobby, you are funny. Unconscious humor is the best. Quote
Guest Dan@V.A. Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 6:05�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" > <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that: > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > >> > > > > > > would make itself known. > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have > >> > > > anything to support your strange belief? > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > Of course it exists, > >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading > >> > it. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 6:59�pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 13, 7:52 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > > thousands..... > > > > > > Bob > > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 7:22�pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" > > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 8:34�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Free Lunch wrote: > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > >> > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > >> > > > his only Begotten Son. > > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > >> > > thousands..... > > > >> > > Bob > > >> > > Humanist Brit. > > > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > Free Lunch wrote: > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >> > > ?Not even just one? > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > >> > > would make itself known. > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God. > > [i must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's] > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil spirits. Why don't you make a list for us of the things that do not show that there is a God? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Why all this meaning less argument about "GOD"??? When will you guys DEFINE what you mean by that word, BEFORE posting an argument pro or con? -- L. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 10:14�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 11:43�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 14 Feb., 01:39, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > All things that exist show that there is a God. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171494978.705022.208910@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: .... >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Lincoln said on >several occasions that he believed the Bible. Source with complete context please. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1171495525.124931.40330@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" >> >> �...] >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah >> predicted to be god? �he messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to >> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the >> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god. > > >Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and >the government shall be upon hos shoulder: and his name shall be >called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, >The Prince of Peace. >Robert B. Winn Where is the evidence that this has anything to do with Jesus? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 11:45�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? > > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On 13 Feb 2007 22:45:13 -0800, in alt.atheism "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in <1171435509.605186.82440@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: >> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > > > > > ?Not even just one? >> >> > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god >> > > > > > would make itself known. >> >> > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer? >> >> > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have >> > > anything to support your strange belief? >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of >> > any god. >> >> Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. You >> are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. I am saying that it >> does. >> > >I have never said that the Bible does not exist. Why do you tell such >incredibly silly lies? Because he's under the delusion that the Bible counts as evidence if we admit that it exists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 11:47�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 14 Feb., 01:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > > thousands..... > > > > > > Bob > > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 On Feb 13, 11:48�pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > On 14 Feb., 01:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote: > > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one? > > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god > > > > > > > > > would make itself known. > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths. > > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers > > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are? > > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books: > > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the > > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent > > > > > > his only Begotten Son. > > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. > > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were > > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were > > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers. > > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt, > > > > > an extra drop of wine as well. > > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly > > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of > > > > > thousands..... > > > > > > Bob > > > > > Humanist Brit. > > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified > > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use, > > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked." > > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll] > > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the > > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys. > > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 6:25 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn" > > > ?[...] > > > Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah > > predicted to be god? ?The messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to > > bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the > > Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god. > > Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and > the government shall be upon hos shoulder: and his name shall be > called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, > The Prince of Peace. > Robert B. Winn This is the translation provided by the King James scholars, but is it accurate? I have read from a scholarly treatise that it is not, will try to furnish a reference for you. I remember these words well, since they are lyrics from a chorus in Handel's Oratorio, _The Messiah._ 3 in 1 is a loopy way to call a religion monotheistic. Even as wacky as Islam is, it doesn't attempt to deify more than one entity although the imams (as with most all clergy) would have their followers worship them. Quote
Guest jls Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > ... > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Lincoln said on > >several occasions that he believed the Bible. > > Source with complete context please. You'll never get it, not anything genuine. Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in his book. A forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at this very moment. It recommends hunting down and hanging anyone critical of the war effort. A pundit has already confessed that he is the author of the quote. The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._ Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 5:24�pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > > ... > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 4:37?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote: > Why all this meaning less argument about "GOD"??? > > When will you guys DEFINE what you mean by that word, > BEFORE posting an argument pro or con? -- L. Well, the discussion was about Jesus Christ. What is it that you say you do not understand about Jesus Christ? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>: > > ... > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. Quote
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