Guest Andrew Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On 2007-03-12 14:33:56 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said: > > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 12, 4:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> I died some two thousand years ago. >>> God existed then. ?But one day when we were playing >>> poker we got drunk and some of us thought god >>> cheated and drove the knife through god's heart! >>> After god's death we regretted our actions, because >>> then we had one lesser partner at poker! >>> >>> If Jesus returns do you think that we could >>> collect from him the money that >>> his father stole from us? >>> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:1173666099.791233.232650@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com... > >>>> Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >>>> Robvert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> I think you should take your complaints to Jesus Christ when he >> returns to judge the earth. However, the scriptures say that no one >> is going to do that. > > You've yet to explain how anyone can discuss anything with a fictional > character. You have evidence for that? Note - a "fiction" is usually a deliberately created fabrication produced by someone who knows that what he/she is writing is fact. Do you have evidence that any of the Gospel writers can be said to have done this? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you know that the sins were atoned? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > >If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > >for the sins of mankind. > >Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the atonement had not happened. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > How do you know that that was not a lie? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote: > > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > > Actually he did. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > > for the sins of mankind. > > Matthew 16:28 > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 9:31�am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > >> wrote: > >> ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> > > >>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs > >>>>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. > >>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of > >>>>>>>>>>>> speech. > >>>>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. > >>>>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. > >>>>>>> You missed this line: > >>>>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit > >>>>>>> And this one: > >>>>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> Actually, I q > >>>>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> 147 > >>> Liar. > >> He dropped a decimal place. > > > You asked. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. > >> Where's heaven? Outer space? > > Where there is no sin. > > So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. > > >> Where's heaven? Outer space? > > > Where there is no sin. > > > > So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > > > Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ > returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. And there will be sugar plum fairies and cotton candy clouds. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 9:55�am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > JessHC wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > >> On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > >>> wrote: > >>>> That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized > >>>> by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." > >>>> --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > >>>> Even you should be able to grasp that. > >>> He does grasp it. > >>> He is desperately thrashing about for attention. > > >> Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to > >> do. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > How do you know that that was not a lie? > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote: > > > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > > > Actually he did. > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > > > for the sins of mankind. > > > > Matthew 16:28 > > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not > > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. > > Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. Yes, isn't it? It allows me to point out where Jesus was lying. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 9:31?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > You asked. ?Sorry you did not like the answer. > > > > It's not a matter of likes and dislikes, mooooron, we just do not > > believe you. The low quality of your scholarship and erudition speaks > > for itself. Plus you got caught in a lie, that JessHC is opposed to > > freedom of speech. Standing in opposition to the radical religious right > > trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land is not > > opposition to freedom of speech, it is merely the defense of the > > constitutional principle of separation of church and state.- Hide quoted text - > > > People who have religious beliefs are not excluded by the Constitution > from participation in the government. If you do not like someone who > has religious beliefs, why don't you vote for some atheists? We do. Unfortunately, most people are as deluded as you. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > How do you know that the sins were atoned? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > >If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > > >for the sins of mankind. > > >Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > atonement had not happened. Circular reasoning. You lose again. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 7:51?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! > > > > > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > Because he isn't real. > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > to tell him what you think when the time comes. You mean the time that was supposed to come when some of the people who were supposed to have seen and heard him were still alive? When that time comes? Oops. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 7:46?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized > > > > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." > > > > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > > > > > > >Even you should be able to grasp that. > > > > > > He does grasp it. > > > > He is desperately thrashing about for attention. > > > > > Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to > > > do. ?The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is > > > always an adverse incident. > > > > So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists?- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, I am not begging for attention. Your actions demonstrate otherwise. > I am testing Isaiah on them, and so far, Isaiah comes out on top. On top of what? The list of irrelevant things you can come up with? Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 7:45?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> > > > > >rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > > > > >>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> 147 > > > > > > >Liar. > > > > > > He dropped a decimal place. > > > > > You asked. ?Sorry you did not like the answer. > > > > The answer is not supported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, why don't you just go ahead and believe what you want to believe? Better yet, let's believe the evidence. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 7:44?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> > > > wrote: > > > > Mettas Mother wrote: > > > > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He > > > > > also has a Father. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > > > Actually he did. > > > > Cite?- Hide quoted text - > > > John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, > Before Abraham was, I Am. And that proves Jesus said he was Jehovah how, exactly? Remember, we speak English here, and in English, that sentence says Jesus was before Abraham, NOT that he's Jehovah. Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Mettas Mother 66:99 Thy shall not lie! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173722881.229694.93880@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, > Before Abraham was, I Am. > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 When the time comes and when you slide into darkness and senseless moments before finally losing all thoughts of existence and consciousness would you want to silently apologise to all the Atheists that you have offended? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173723359.659270.115680@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be to tell him what you think when the time comes. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 You mean the same Jesus that is alleged to have said : "Those amongst you who have not sinned please cast the first stones" is going to stone people to death? Well done! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173723533.111603.137870@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 9:02�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Why the scriptures say that! Is it because we killed GOD? > Well, what the scriptures say is that the wicked will be calling for the rocks to cover them instead of presenting complaints to Jesus Christ. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So is anyone saved by the atonement? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > atonement had not happened. > Robert B. Winn > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > How do you know that the sins were atoned? Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 How do you know that it was Jess? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173723715.982660.71570@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. > Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So have you converted him yet? "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173724351.280332.283470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > rbwinn wrote: > > Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. > > Yes, isn't it? It allows me to point out where Jesus was lying. > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 11:31?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: > > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. > > > >> Where's heaven? Outer space? > > > > Where there is no sin. > > > > So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > > > Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ > > returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. > > And there will be sugar plum fairies and cotton candy clouds. No, those are atheistic goals. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 11:32�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > How do you know that that was not a lie? > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote: > > > > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > > > > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > > > > > > Actually he did. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone > > > > for the sins of mankind. > > > > Matthew 16:28 > > > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not > > > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. > > > Thank you, Jess. Quote
Guest Elroy Willis Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >> > Where there is no sin. >> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ > returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. Jesus is gonna kill people? -- Elroy Willis http://www.elroysemporium.com Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:04�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mettas Mother 66:99 > Thy shall not lie! > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173722881.229694.93880@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > John 8:18 Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > When the time comes and when you slide into darkness and senseless moments before finally losing all > thoughts of existence and consciousness would you want to silently apologise to all the Atheists > that you have offended? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173723359.659270.115680@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > to tell him what you think when the time comes. > Robert B. Winn Well, I do not plan to go that way. I am going toward the light. Robert B. Winn Quote
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