Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:09�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > You mean the same Jesus that is alleged to have said : > "Those amongst you who have not sinned please cast the first stones" > is going to stone people to death? Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > > atonement had not happened. > > Robert B. Winn > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Atheists say they will not accept the atonement of Christ. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:12�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you know that it was Jess? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173723715.982660.71570@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > Thank you, Jess. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mar 12, 2:14�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > So have you converted him yet? > > "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > > news:1173724351.280332.283470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > Thank you, Jess. Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:31:51 -0700, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote: - Refer: <ocadneyXn8HlHWjYnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@comcast.com> >rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> >>> wrote: >>> ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on everyone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of >>>>>>>>>>>>> speech. >>>>>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think you did. >>>>>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah. >>>>>>>> You missed this line: >>>>>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit >>>>>>>> And this one: >>>>>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Actually, I q >>>>>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> 147 >>>> Liar. >>> He dropped a decimal place. >>> >> You asked. Sorry you did not like the answer. >> >It's not a matter of likes and dislikes, mooooron, we just do not >believe you. The low quality of your scholarship and erudition speaks >for itself. Plus you got caught in a lie, that JessHC is opposed to >freedom of speech. Standing in opposition to the radical religious right >trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land is not >opposition to freedom of speech, it is merely the defense of the >constitutional principle of separation of church and state. The default position to take with Bobby Winn is that he is automatically confabulating. So far, the rule has had a 99.99% success rate. -- Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Could you please try hanging christ on the cross again and try? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737913.780237.184870@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 2:14�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > So have you converted him yet? > > "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > > news:1173724351.280332.283470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. > > > Yes, isn't it? It allows me to point out where Jesus was lying.- Hide quoted text - > There is no way for me to convert Jess. He wants to refuse the atonement of Christ. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So you when you don't know you guess? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737845.238584.45270@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 2:12�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you know that it was Jess? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173723715.982660.71570@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > Well, I was just guessing it was him. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the necessary arrangements. "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > > > atonement had not happened. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > > Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Atheists say > they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > Robert B. Winn > > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So your god will bring violence? And you want Atheist to participate? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737722.018319.195490@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 2:09�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > You mean the same Jesus that is alleged to have said : > "Those amongst you who have not sinned please cast the first stones" > is going to stone people to death? Well done! > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173723533.111603.137870@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 9:02?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Why the scriptures say that! Is it because we killed GOD? > > Well, what the scriptures say is that the wicked will be calling for > the rocks to cover them instead of presenting complaints to Jesus > Christ. > Robert B. Winn Well, the rocks are not going to obey the wicked. They are just going to stay where they are. There will be no way to hide from justice in that day. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Yeah I will be there to switch off the lights! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737608.768056.103820@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 2:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > When the time comes and when you slide into darkness and senseless moments before finally losing all > > thoughts of existence and consciousness would you want to silently apologise to all the Atheists > > that you have offended? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173723359.659270.115680@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > > to tell him what you think when the time comes. > > Robert B. Winn > > Well, I do not plan to go that way. I am going toward the light. > Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 So you agree about the lies? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173737553.932001.156770@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 2:04�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mettas Mother 66:99 > Thy shall not lie! > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173722881.229694.93880@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, > > Before Abraham was, I Am. > > Robert B. Winn- A very good attempt at quoting scripture, however, the the correct form of the pronoun is thou. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Then who lied? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173736219.690065.4540@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > How do you know that that was not a lie? Well, go ahead and point. Jesus Christ did not lie. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:59:38 +0800, in alt.atheism "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in <et4pgb$nee$1@registered.motzarella.org>: >Then who lied? > >"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >news:1173736219.690065.4540@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > How do you know that that was not a lie? > >Well, go ahead and point. Jesus Christ did not lie. We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true. We have no idea what Jesus actually said. We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not. We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in <et4p7h$n4c$1@registered.motzarella.org>: >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the >necessary arrangements. > >"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? >> > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> > >> > news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > >> > >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >> > > atonement had not happened. >> > > Robert B. Winn >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - >> > >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Atheists say >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would reject such a thing. I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are unsupported by evidence. Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > Because he isn't real. > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > to tell him what you think when the time comes. That's so adorable, you still remember those fairy tales you learned as a young child! You still hope Jesus is coming to save you! You still believe you'll meet Jesus--in heaven! That's just so sweet... ....in an eight year old. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:mc-dnbeDLaAHPmnYnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com... > Mettas Mother wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >> news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He >> also has a Father. >> Robert B. Winn >> > How do you know that he was telling the truth! >> > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > Close, but not quite on target. See below Pastor Frank Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM." Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us." Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS." Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:19:37 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <aerbv2t4fu5gcq3juhe9lhodsf5mdad6m4@4ax.com> >On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:59:38 +0800, in alt.atheism >"Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in ><et4pgb$nee$1@registered.motzarella.org>: >>Then who lied? >> >>"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >>news:1173736219.690065.4540@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > How do you know that that was not a lie? >> >>Well, go ahead and point. Jesus Christ did not lie. > >We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true. > >We have no idea what Jesus actually said. > >We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not. > >We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly. More to the point: We have no extant contemporary evidence that this "Jesus" ever existed at all, let alone what he may have said. -- Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: > >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. > >>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? > >> > Where there is no sin. > >> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > > Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ > > returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. > > Jesus is gonna kill people? Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven: and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:51?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Could you please try hanging christ on the cross again and try? > No. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:56�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yeah I will be there to switch off the lights! > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173737608.768056.103820@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Mar 12, 2:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > When the time comes and when you slide into darkness and senseless moments before finally losing > all > > > thoughts of existence and consciousness would you want to silently apologise to all the Atheists > > > that you have offended? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1173723359.659270.115680@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > > > to tell him what you think when the time comes. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Well, I do not plan to go that way. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > So you agree about the lies? > I agree with the commandment, Thou shalt not bear false witness. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:59?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Then who lied? > The people who accuse Jesus Christ of lying lied. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 5:22�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism > "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in > <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: > > > > > > >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > >necessary arrangements. > > >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > >> > > atonement had not happened. > >> > > Robert B. Winn > >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 6:27?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > Because he isn't real. > > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > > to tell him what you think when the time comes. > > That's so adorable, you still remember those fairy tales you learned as > a young child! You still hope Jesus is coming to save you! You still > believe you'll meet Jesus--in heaven! That's just so sweet... > > ...in an eight year old. Well, it is certainly wonderful to see how the Lord is softening your heart. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Mar 12, 4:54�pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > necessary arrangements. > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > > > > atonement had not happened. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > > Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Quote
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