Guest Sippuuden Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> Richo wrote: >> >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with >> you. For instance: >> >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > > Evidence does not work on atheists. > I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. > > They only acknowledge evidence > which they believe supports their philosophy. > Robert B. Winn > Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:20:45 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45f686ad$0$16362$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:mod9v255rjsskvaq5chsrq3e4d46p5jkr3@4ax.com... >> >> I don't contradict everything you say. I point out your errors or the >> unsupported claims you make. When you post facts, I don't have any >> problems. >> > We Christians agree to consider actions as being good or evil according >the teaching of Jesus Christ. That may be the claim, but it is clear from the actions of Christians that the teachings of Jesus are not the standard of morality that they use. >So, then tell us how you distinguish between >good and evil actions. By the way such behavior affects others and the society at large. >What criteria of good and evil will you accept and >what empirical / factual and valid evidence will be your basis for that >acceptance? The effects of behavior. > I bet, like the majority of atheists, you take your criteria from the >current fashionable popular opinion, which brought us Hitler and a host of >others like him. Your insult is noted and reflects quite clearly how much of a Christian you appear to be to others. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:43:29 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45f686b0$0$16362$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:mod9v255rjsskvaq5chsrq3e4d46p5jkr3@4ax.com... >> >> When it comes to the Bible there is nothing to refute, except the >> purposes that some people try to turn it to. But I don't blame the Bible >> for the misuse that some people make of it. >> > List the illegit "purposes" and "misuse" and prove their prevalence, or >admit you are lying for atheism again. Young Earth Creationism Rejection of the discoveries about evolution. Teaching that there was a global flood during human history, even though the evidence shows that there was not. Using the Bible to defend slavery. Using the Bible to justify denying rights to women. Do you need more or will you just ignore these? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1173759337.896438.204330@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the >> >necessary arrangements. >> >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >> >> > > atonement had not happened. >> >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. theists say >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. >> >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would >> reject such a thing. >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are >> unsupported by evidence.- > >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he >exists? The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about gods that is unsupported by the evidence. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 13, 3:56�pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> Richo wrote: > > >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" > >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. > >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with > >> you. For instance: > > >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > > > Evidence does not work on atheists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism > >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in > >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: > > >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > >> >necessary arrangements. > > >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > >> >> > > atonement had not happened. > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn > >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. > theists say > >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > > >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to > >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would > >> reject such a thing. > > >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > >> unsupported by evidence.- > > >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he > >exists? > > The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the beginning. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1173833508.636582.7480@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism >> >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in >> >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: >> >> >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the >> >> >necessary arrangements. >> >> >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? >> >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >> >> >> > > atonement had not happened. >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. >> theists say >> >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. >> >> >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to >> >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would >> >> reject such a thing. >> >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are >> >> unsupported by evidence.- >> >> >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he >> >exists? >> >> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about >> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the >beginning. No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 13, 6:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1173833508.636582.7...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism > >> >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in > >> >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: > > >> >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > >> >> >necessary arrangements. > > >> >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > >> >> >> > > atonement had not happened. > >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn > >> >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. > >> theists say > >> >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > > >> >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to > >> >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would > >> >> reject such a thing. > > >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > >> >> unsupported by evidence.- > > >> >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he > >> >exists? > > >> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > >> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the > >beginning. > > No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists.- Hide quoted text - > Why do you have no reason to think it exists? You think God did not do his part? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Sippuuden Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 13, 3:56�pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >>>> Richo wrote: >>>>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" >>>>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. >>>> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with >>>> you. For instance: >>>> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without >>>> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics >>> Evidence does not work on atheists. � >> �> >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. >> �>> They only acknowledge evidence >>> which they believe supports their philosophy. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. > > I am not stupid. Then quit acting stupid. That's the theist MO. Atheism is not a philosophy looking for something to support it, atheism is just an absence of theism, "Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." -- http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html Atheist agnostics go beyond absence of belief in the existence of gods to unabashedly deny and repudiate, on principle, religious belief in the existence of gods: "That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, who coined the term 'agnostic', in his excoriation of the Christian Belief, "Agnosticism and Christianity" http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE5/Agn-X.html "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 13, 6:52�pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>> Richo wrote: > >>>>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" > >>>>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. > >>>> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with > >>>> you. For instance: > >>>> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >>>> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > >>> Evidence does not work on atheists. ? > >> ?> > >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. > >> ?>> They only acknowledge evidence > >>> which they believe supports their philosophy. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. > > > I am not stupid. Quote
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message news:1sodv21e8422lftiutaevgkuboo0bhdcik@4ax.com... > ZenIsWhen <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi >>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, >>> don't you think? > >> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a >> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. > > Looks like ZenIsWhen is the same person as rbwinn. Go figure... > > Need two liars for Jesus instead of one, eh boobie? Huh? I have no idea what's going on here - but I didn't write any of this. I DEMAND an apology for that grotesque insult. > > -- > Elroy Willis > http://www.elroysemporium.com Quote
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173812791.771523.70720@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 13, 8:40?am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> > news:1173797097.983303.247550@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> > > freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism >> > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> > > >> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> > > >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> > > >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> > > >>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> > > >>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >> > > >>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> > > >>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >> > > >>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >> > > >>>>> > Where there is no sin. >> > > >>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, >> > > >>>>> right? >> > > >>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus >> > > >>>> Christ >> > > >>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. >> > > >>> Jesus is gonna kill people? >> > > >> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an >> > > >> oven: >> > > >> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be >> > > >> stubble, >> > > >> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of >> > > >> Hosts, >> > > >> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. >> > > >> Robert B. Winn >> > > > If you believe that biblical bull shit! >> > >> > > Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi >> > > concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, >> > > don't you think? >> > >> > Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a >> > natural event or a death of any kind takes place. ?The fact is, >> > though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be >> > the repentance of the people. ?It is no different today than when >> > Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be >> > destroyed. ?The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne >> > to the begger in the street. ?Ninevah was not destroyed. >> > Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his >> > prophecy did not take place. >> > Robert B. Winn >> > >> > Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!- >> > Hide quoted text - Now THAT'S something I wrote! >> > >> Well, yes, I have. Reality is that no one has been killed by Jesus >> Christ. OK .. but, a parallel reality is that no one was ever killed by Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman or Darth Vader. > > You're correct, because imaginary characters can't kill anyone. Which > is a good thing, because your imaginary little deity is described as > killing whole societies willy-nilly. > Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 14, 1:36�am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: > "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > > news:1173812791.771523.70720@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > >> On Mar 13, 8:40?am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >news:1173797097.983303.247550@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >> > > freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism > >> > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> > > >> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >> > > >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >> > > >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >> > > >>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >> > > >>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: > >> > > >>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >> > > >>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. > >> > > >>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? > >> > > >>>>> > Where there is no sin. > >> > > >>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, > >> > > >>>>> right? > >> > > >>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus > >> > > >>>> Christ > >> > > >>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. > >> > > >>> Jesus is gonna kill people? > >> > > >> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an > >> > > >> oven: > >> > > >> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be > >> > > >> stubble, > >> > > >> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of > >> > > >> Hosts, > >> > > >> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. > >> > > >> Robert B. Winn > >> > > > If you believe that biblical bull shit! > > >> > > Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi > >> > > concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, > >> > > don't you think? > > >> > Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a > >> > natural event or a death of any kind takes place. ?The fact is, > >> > though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be > >> > the repentance of the people. ?It is no different today than when > >> > Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be > >> > destroyed. ?The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne > >> > to the begger in the street. ?Ninevah was not destroyed. > >> > Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his > >> > prophecy did not take place. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> > Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!- > >> > Hide quoted text - > > Now THAT'S something I wrote! > > > > >> Well, yes, I have. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 On Mar 14, 1:34�am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: > "Elroy Willis" <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote in message > > news:1sodv21e8422lftiutaevgkuboo0bhdcik@4ax.com... > > > ZenIsWhen <hereslook...@you.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > >>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi > >>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, > >>> don't you think? > > >> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a > >> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. > > > Looks like ZenIsWhen is the same person as rbwinn. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173709977.992016.127790@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > How do you know that that was not a lie? >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> > news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> >> > >?wrote: > >> > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", >> > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. > >> > > Actually he did. >> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >> If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone >> for the sins of mankind. > > Matthew 16:28 > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. > You means as dead as in: "Let the dead bury their dead" or more or less so? See below Pastor Frank Jesus in Mt:8:22: But Jesus said unto him: Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173710185.136855.137460@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com... >> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >> > <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> >>"Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >> >>news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>> Mettas Mother wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! >> >>> >> >>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of >> >>> proof >> >>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers. >> >>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the >> >>> null, >> >>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever. >> >>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm >> >>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm >> >>> >> >> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree >> >> with >> >>you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist. >> >>But >> >>then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete >> >>god(s) >> >>they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e. >> >>our >> >>Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death >> >>if >> >>need be. >> > >> > Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love? >> > Gospel Bretts >> > a.a. atheist #2262 >> > Fundy Xian Atheist >> > >> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also >> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our >> behalf >> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind? > > Who told you you could select which bits of the bible you want to > follow? > Which "bits of the Bible" did I "select", and which don't agree with you? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 What were written, were they written correctly? "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message news:aerbv2t4fu5gcq3juhe9lhodsf5mdad6m4@4ax.com... > > > >Well, go ahead and point. Jesus Christ did not lie. > > We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true. > > We have no idea what Jesus actually said. > > We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not. > > We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173710649.802534.4830@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > How do you know that he was telling the truth! >> > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He >> > > also has a Father. >> > > Robert B. Winn >> > >> > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", >> > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. >> >> Actually he did. > > Cite? > Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM." Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us." Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS." Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173710819.345768.186260@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> >> > wrote: >> > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is >> > >characterized >> > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods." >> > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html >> > >> > >Even you should be able to grasp that. >> > >> > He does grasp it. >> > He is desperately thrashing about for attention. >> > >> Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to >> do. The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is >> always an adverse incident. > > So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists? > Christ commissioned us to do so. See below. Who commissioned you to proselytize atheism in our pristine and hallowed Christian NGs? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 But Jesus could have possibly existed! Only thing was that is Jesus GOD? "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:bo5cv2pq560umqnsekiad075a32trqqefk@4ax.com... > > More to the point: We have no extant contemporary evidence that this > "Jesus" ever existed at all, let alone what he may have said. > > -- Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1173711077.909408.25820@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> > news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! >> > >> > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > Because he isn't real. > Who is "real" to you in your Marvel comics heaven? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 why not? That will be fun! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173758826.474571.238570@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 4:51?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Could you please try hanging christ on the cross again and try? > > > No. > Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Who do you thing is manning the power grid? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173759003.628612.129360@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com... > I do not really think so. God is the source of light. > Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Thou shall not lie! How do you know that the commandments are not from GOD! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173759066.049618.299700@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 4:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > So you agree about the lies? > > > I agree with the commandment, Thou shalt not bear false witness. > Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Are there proofs? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173759148.472084.28990@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 4:59?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Then who lied? > > > The people who accuse Jesus Christ of lying lied. > Robert B. Winn > Quote
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