Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 7:10�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 13, 6:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > <1173833508.636582.7...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > > >On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > >> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > > >> >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > > > >> >> unsupported by evidence.- > > > > >> >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he exists? > > > > >> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > > > >> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the beginning. > > > > No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > Why do you have no reason to think it exists? > > Lack of objective, verifiable evidence. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 7:11�am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > <snip> > > > Well, no, I am not an idiot. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 8:22�am, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: > On 13 Mar 2007 17:46:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> >> Richo wrote: > > >> >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" > >> >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. > >> >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with > >> >> you. For instance: > > >> >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >> >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > > >> > Evidence does not work on atheists. > > >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. > >> >> They only acknowledge evidence > >> > which they believe supports their philosophy. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. > > >I am not stupid. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 9:20�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 14 March 2007 10:09 > am Elroy Willis perhaps from elroywil...@swbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > >>>> You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was > >>>> given by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven. > > >>> Where's heaven? Outer space? > > >> Where there is no sin. > > >> Heaven is wherever Jesus Christ says it is. See below. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 9:25?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? > > > > > > Because he isn't real. > > > > > Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be > > > > to tell him what you think when the time comes. > > > > That's so adorable, you still remember those fairy tales you learned as > > > a young child! You still hope Jesus is coming to save you! You still > > > believe you'll meet Jesus--in heaven! That's just so sweet... > > > > ...in an eight year old. > > > Well, it is certainly wonderful to see how the Lord is softening your > > heart. > > You want a friend, get a dog. I'm not here to soften my heart nor to > soften yours. > > I'm here to change the conversation, to openly talk about a serious > subject: the dark side of religious beliefs. > > Your belief that Jesus is "coming back" is a perfect example. On one > level, it is nothing more than a child's fairy tale (and it most > certainly IS that). But on another level it is a serious issue, because > people who claim to believe Jesus is coming back act differently than > those who don't: > > "James Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was > unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In public > testimony he said, 'after the last tree is felled, Christ will come > back.'" (Bill Moyers report). > > People who believe they will be rewarded in some sort of afterlife act > differently than those who don't. We saw that in the starkest possible > terms on 9/11, which was a wakeup call for the entire planet about the > dangers of religious beliefs. > > Since 9/11, religious beliefs have increasingly torn America apart. > America's reaction to religious extremism has been its own religious > extremism, fueled by money and technology, complete with ready-made > antagonists like homosexuals and women's rights supporters (and above > all, of course, atheists.) America's worst enemies aren't hiding in a > cave in Afghanistan, they wear expensive suits and spin tales of > intolerance to millions every Sunday morning. > > We see the extreme violence Islamic beliefs cause, yet still resist > looking at ourselves in a mirror. We utter meaningless phrases like "war > on terror", when what it actually is is a "war on Islam". However, we > don't call it a war on Islam, because that phrase opens the door to the > war we should actually be fighting: a war on religion. > > A war on religion, a war on superstitious beliefs. I know that sounds > extreme, but religion and freedom are antithetical concepts, > fundamentally incompatible, as we witness nearly every day with the > assault on the Constitution by our own Bible-soaked government. Religion > is the natural enemy of freedom. > > There's a name for that period of history when Christianity dominated > western civilization. That name is the Dark Ages. And today it is > religious zealots like you--forcing religious nonsense into classrooms, > shoving the Ten Commandments into courtrooms, proclaiming America to be > a Christian nation--it is pinheads like you who have only hardened my > heart.- Hide quoted text - > Well, anyone who had studied the Bible was not surprised by what happened on September 11, 2001. The Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, the oldest son of Abraham. What better description of Muslims has there ever been than the original prophecy concerning Ishmael? Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him: and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren. At any rate you seem to be a little more emotional about a couple thousand people killed in the attack on the twin towers than about twelve million people killed by atheist Josef Stalin. Why is that? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 12:47�pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 13, 6:52?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >>>>>> Richo wrote: > >>>>>>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" > >>>>>>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. > >>>>>> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with > >>>>>> you. For instance: > >>>>>> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >>>>>> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > >>>>> Evidence does not work on atheists. ? > >>>> ?> > >>>> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. > >>>> ?>> They only acknowledge evidence > >>>>> which they believe supports their philosophy. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. > >>> I am not stupid. ? > >> Then quit acting stupid. That's the theist MO. Atheism is not a > >> philosophy looking for something to support it, atheism is just an > >> absence of theism, "Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in > >> the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html > > >> Atheist agnostics go beyond absence of belief in the existence of gods > >> to unabashedly deny and repudiate, on principle, religious belief in the > >> existence of gods: > > >> "That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary > >> doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, > >> without logically satisfactory evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, who coined > >> the term 'agnostic', in his excoriation of the Christian Belief, > >> "Agnosticism and Christianity"http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE5/Agn-X.html > > >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, if you want to try to prove that nothing exists, go ahead and > > try. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 4:54�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 13 Mar 2007 18:25:56 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1173835556.418159.261...@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 13, 6:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> <1173833508.636582.7...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > >> >> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >> >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism > >> >> >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in > >> >> >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: > > >> >> >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > >> >> >> >necessary arrangements. > > >> >> >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > >> >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > >> >> >> >> > > atonement had not happened. > >> >> >> >> > > Robert B. Winn > >> >> >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo..com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. > >> >> theists say > >> >> >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > > >> >> >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to > >> >> >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would > >> >> >> reject such a thing. > > >> >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > >> >> >> unsupported by evidence.- > > >> >> >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he > >> >> >exists? > > >> >> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > >> >> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the > >> >beginning. > > >> No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > >Why do you have no reason to think it exists? Quote
Guest Jeff Whittaker Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On 14 Mar 2007 20:09:37 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: >On Mar 14, 8:22?am, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: >> On 13 Mar 2007 17:46:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> >> >> Richo wrote: >> >> >> >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" >> >> >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. >> >> >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with >> >> >> you. For instance: >> >> >> >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without >> >> >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics >> >> >> > Evidence does not work on atheists. >> >> >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. >> >> >> They only acknowledge evidence >> >> > which they believe supports their philosophy. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. >> >> >I am not stupid. theists only acknowledge evidence that they believe >> >supports their philosophy. �ell, let's check you out. >> > w = velocity of light >> > 8=wt >> > 8'=wt' >> > 'amma= 1/sqrt(1-v^2/w^2) >> >> > w = x/t = x'/t' = (x-vt)gamma/(t-vx/w^2)gamma = (x- >> >vt)/(t-vt/w) >> >> > f you acknowledge these equations, you will be the first >> >atheist to do so. �e can go to other subjects if you like. �hat else >> >would you like to discuss? >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> Well, Bobby, usually when one presents a series of equations, it is >> usually nice to define what all the variables are and what you are >> trying to prove. >> >> See, I can use crappy math to prove that 1=2 >> >> Assume a=b >> Multiply both sides by a: a a=a b => a^2=ab >> Add the same amount (a^2) to both sides of the equation: >> a^2 + a^2=ab + a^2 >> Simplify: 2a^2=ab + a^2 >> Subtract the same amount (2ab) from both sides of the equation: >> 2a^2 - 2ab=ab + a^2 - 2ab >> Simplify: 2a^2 - 2ab=a^2 - ab >> Factor left side: 2(a^2 - ab)=a^2 - ab >> Cancel (a^2 - ab) from both sides gives: 2=1 >> >> However, my 'proof' fails cause it divides by zero at the end. I'm not >> enitely sure what your formula is trying to 'prove', but without more >> information, it's just a string of nonsense that doesn't tell me >> anything. And apparently you are just cutting and pasting it from the >> same retarded source each time because every time I've seen you post >> it, it's always indented by the exact same, irritating amount.- Hide quoted text - >> >Einstein and Lorentz already defined all the terms in the equations >except the term for velocity of light. I took that from Poincaire's >equations. So how do you claim your equations and comments apply to >the equations I posted? >Robert B. Winn > I am not claiming my equations apply to the ones you posted. What I am claiming is that equations with insufficent information as to what they pertain to and bad assumptions about what a step might be doing (ie dividing by zero), proves absolutely nothing. Explain what you are trying to show with your equations and then someone might listen to you. No, wait, you are an incoherent babling butt-munch. Instead of trying to explain anything you will quote a random bit of your scripture thinking that will explain everything. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On Mar 14, 10:00�pm, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: > On 14 Mar 2007 20:09:37 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >On Mar 14, 8:22?am, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: > >> On 13 Mar 2007 17:46:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> >On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Richo wrote: > > >> >> >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" > >> >> >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. > >> >> >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with > >> >> >> you. For instance: > > >> >> >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without > >> >> >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics > > >> >> > Evidence does not work on atheists. > > >> >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. > >> >> >> They only acknowledge evidence > >> >> > which they believe supports their philosophy. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. > > >> >I am not stupid. > > theists only acknowledge evidence that they believe > > > > >> >supports their philosophy. Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Is that a sign of laziness? "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f88a4f$0$24006$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > You means as dead as in: "Let the dead bury their dead" or more or less > so? See below > > Pastor Frank > > Jesus in Mt:8:22: But Jesus said unto him: Follow me, and let the dead bury > their dead. > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Why do you believe that ? "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f88a56$0$24006$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, > and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, > ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND > HAVE SEEN HIM." > Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us." > Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast > thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; > and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am > in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak > not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS." > Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 I have no evidence to agree that what you practice is a religion! "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f88a61$0$24006$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:et3svb$jr0$1@registered.motzarella.org... > > > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > > news:45f54868$0$5559$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also > >> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our > >> behalf > >> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind? > > > > How do you know that the person that died on the cross was Jesus Christ > > and not his look like or > > decoy? > > > Not sufficient evidence of course. But if you have evidence to the > contrary, then please present it, and become a famous person, if not rich to > boot. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 That's a godo trick! "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:45f88a67$0$24006$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when > the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of > God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo > there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU." > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 You mean you don't know? "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173925966.505533.109410@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 14, 6:10?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > What were written, were they written correctly? > > Well, what do you think was written incorrectly? > Robert B. Winn > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 How do you know that the father of Jesus is GOD! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173926047.326662.66160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 14, 6:15�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > But Jesus could have possibly existed! Only thing was that is Jesus GOD? > Jesus Christ was the Son of God. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 I do have a copy. That is why I am asking you. And you are not much of a help! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173926538.129778.62570@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 14, 6:39?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > In order to solve a problem we must first recognize that there is a problem > > In order to reject Christ , there must first be a Christ! > > Atonement of Christ was/is only possible if there was/is a Christ! > > So was/is there Christ? > > > I could send you a copy of the Bible. You could read it and decide > for yourself. > Robert B. Winn > > Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 How could I be rejecting any atonement when I don't know if it ever occurred! "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1173926624.857336.118180@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 14, 6:43�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Why did you ask that? Do you think that there is reason to think so? > Do you have the evidence to back up! > Reference to unsubstantial claims in books are not accepted! > Well, if you reject the atonement of Christ, you are also going to reject anything I might say to you. Why don't you discuss it with Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 6:43?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Why did you ask that? ?Do you think that there is reason to think so? > > Do you have the evidence to back up! > > Reference to unsubstantial claims in books are not accepted! > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1173835556.418159.261710@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Why do you have no reason to think it exists? ? You think God did not do his part? > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, if you reject the atonement of Christ, you are also going to reject anything I might say to you. > Why don't you discuss it with Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? Because he isn't real and won't return, that's why. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 6:51?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 12:10?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:33?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > > > > > Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > > >>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Jesus is gonna kill people? > > > > > > >>> Malachi 4:1 ?or, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven: > > > > > > >>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, > > > > > > >>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, > > > > > > >>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. > > > > > > >> So Jesus is gonna burn up all the bad people? > > > > > > > The bad people are all going to burn up. > > > > > > > > What will Jesus be doing at that time? ?Stoking the fires? > > > > > > > Why don't you take it up with him? > > > > > > Explain how one can do that with an imaginary character.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, if you believe he is imaginary, why did you ask if he was stoking fires? > > > > Learn to read.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, here is what I read: What will Jesus be doing at that time? Stoking the fires? > Now go ahead an show me what you think I misread. Attributions. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 6:52?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 12:10?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 8:03?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 4:59?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Then who lied? > > > > > > > > > The people who accuse Jesus Christ of lying lied. > > > > > > > > Really. ?So who is still alive that was there listening to Jesus when > > > > > > he said "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which > > > > > > shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his > > > > > > kingdom." (Matthew 16:28)? > > > > > > > John 21:20 ?Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus > > > > > loved following: which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, > > > > > Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? > > > > > 21 ?Peter seeing him saith unto Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man > > > > > do? > > > > > 22 ?Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is > > > > > that to thee? ?follow thou me. > > > > > > So your response is to dodge the question, because you can't admit > > > > Jesus lied.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Jesus Christ did not lie. ?The Apostle John is still somewhere on earth. > > > > Your objective, verifiable evidence for that assertion?- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, give me your address, and I will send you a copy of the Bible. I have several already. Unfortunately for you, the bible is not evidence the bible is true. Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > Well, anyone who had studied the Bible was not surprised by what > happened on September 11, 2001. Ah, perhaps you're in the "NYC got what was coming to it" camp, along with such princes of peace as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. That would be no surprise. > The Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, the oldest son of Abraham. > What better description of Muslims has there ever been than the > original prophecy concerning Ishmael? > Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against > every man, and every man's hand against him: and he shall dwell in > the presence of his brethren. Nonsense. You're fitting the Bible to your preconceptions and point of view. People do that all the time. The fact the Bible (and the Koran) can be used in this fashion is the main reason they endure. > At any rate you seem to be a little more emotional about a couple > thousand people killed in the attack on the twin towers than about > twelve million people killed by atheist Josef Stalin. Why is that? We've heard your lame argument that "Stalin was an atheist and he killed millions of people" countless times before. It doesn't stand up. Stalin's atheism had nothing to do with his motives, he didn't kill in the name of atheism--unlike the nineteen hijackers. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 7:04?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism > > > > >> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in > > > > >> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: > > > > > > >> >It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the > > > > >> >necessary arrangements. > > > > > > >> >"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >> >news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> >> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > So is anyone saved by the atonement? > > > > > > >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >> >> >news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > >> >> > > There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the > > > > >> >> > > atonement had not happened. > > > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn > > > > >> >> > > On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. theists say > > > > >> >> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > > > > > > >> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to > > > > >> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would > > > > >> reject such a thing. > > > > > > >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > > > > >> unsupported by evidence.- > > > > > > >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he exists? > > > > > > The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > > > > gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the beginning. > > > > If by "atonement of christ" you mean "unsupported assertion," then yes.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, obviously words in the English language have no meaning to you. > Why don't you quote some Latin phrases? I am sure that would make you > feel better. Aw, punkin, don't pout. Quote
Guest JessHC Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 7:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 6:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > <1173833508.636582.7...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > > > > >> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > >> >On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> >> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are > > > > >> >> unsupported by evidence.- > > > > > > >> >Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he exists? > > > > > > >> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about > > > > >> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the beginning. > > > > > > No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Why do you have no reason to think it exists? > > > > Lack of objective, verifiable evidence. ?This has been explained to > > you numerous times; it isn't a difficult concept for most people. > > > > > You think God did not do his part? > > > > Please provide objective, verifiable evidence of this "god" you assert.- Hide quoted text - > > > OK, I can send you a copy of the Bible. Where should I send it? I asked for objective, verifiable evidence, not circular reasoning. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 6:10?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> What were written, were they written correctly? > > Well, what do you think was written incorrectly? > Robert B. Winn Are bats birds? Where did the light come from before there were stars? Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > news:1173724351.280332.283470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> How do you know that that was not a lie? >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> >>>>>>> ?wrote: >>>>>>>> ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", >>>>>>>> ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. >>>>>>> Actually he did. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>>>> If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone >>>>> for the sins of mankind. >>>> Matthew 16:28 >>>> Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not >>>> taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. >>> Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures. >> Yes, isn't it? It allows me to point out where Jesus was lying. >> > I have seen Christ "coming into His Kingdom", and so have all born-again > Christians. That makes you a false accuser, Jess. Ooo, two lies in one paragraph. > Have you got your fire-proof suit ready yet? No, but I have a rain suit. Quote
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