Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > news:1173709977.992016.127790@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> How do you know that that was not a lie? >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> >>>>> ?wrote: >>>>>> ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ", >>>>>> ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L. >>>>> Actually he did. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone >>> for the sins of mankind. >> Matthew 16:28 >> Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not >> taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. >> > You means as dead as in: "Let the dead bury their dead" or more or less > so? See below > > Pastor Frank > > Jesus in Mt:8:22: But Jesus said unto him: Follow me, and let the dead bury > their dead. Dead is dead, Frank. Unless you can prove that anyone who was standing there at the time has not "tasted death." Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > news:1173724589.267095.53060@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> How do you know that the sins were atoned? >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>>> If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone >>>>> for the sins of mankind. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >>> atonement had not happened. >> Circular reasoning. You lose again. >> > You don't REALLY think you are winning, are you Jess? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> So is anyone saved by the atonement? >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>> There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >>> atonement had not happened. >>> Robert B. Winn >>> On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - > Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. Atheists say > they will not accept the atonement of Christ. > Robert B. Winn Atheists say "Why should we accept your unsupported assertions which contradict reality?" Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 4:54�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On 13 Mar 2007 18:25:56 -0700, in alt.atheism >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >> <1173835556.418159.261...@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 13, 6:10?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On 13 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >>>> <1173833508.636582.7...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >>>>> On Mar 13, 4:35?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2007 21:15:38 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in >>>>>> <1173759337.896438.204...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>> On Mar 12, 5:22?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:56 +0800, in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote in >>>>>>>> <et4p7h$n4...@registered.motzarella.org>: >>>>>>>>> It is not that I do not want to accept, but like to see jesus being crucified. so can you make the >>>>>>>>> necessary arrangements. >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:1173737798.798364.161660@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2:11?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> So is anyone saved by the atonement? >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:1173723597.337466.251030@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the >>>>>>>>>>>> atonement had not happened. >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that the sins were atoned?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> Those who accept the atonement of Christ will be saved. >>>>>> theists say >>>>>>>>>> they will not accept the atonement of Christ. >>>>>>>> Do they? I certainly don't say that. It would be interesting for you to >>>>>>>> present a statement from an atheist showing that the atheist would >>>>>>>> reject such a thing. >>>>>>>> I don't believe the claims of people about gods because the claims are >>>>>>>> unsupported by evidence.- >>>>>>> Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he >>>>>>> exists? >>>>>> The claim that there is such an atonement is one of the claims about >>>>>> gods that is unsupported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the >>>>> beginning. >>>> No, I do not reject it. I merely have no reason to think it exists.- Hide quoted text - >>> Why do you have no reason to think it exists? � You think God did not >>> do his part? >> There is no evidence about any gods or about Jesus as the divine.- Hide quoted text - >> > So you believe you have caused God and Jesus Christ to disappear with > your foolish statement. Maybe you should reread what he wrote. > Well, I would not be the one to inform of your idea. Why don't > you tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? He'd have to exist first. Quote
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 "Darrell Stec" <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message news:55qm66F26efsmU2@mid.individual.net... > After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 14 March 2007 4:34 am > ZenIsWhen perhaps from hereslooking@you.com wrote: > >> >> "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message >> news:1sodv21e8422lftiutaevgkuboo0bhdcik@4ax.com... >>> ZenIsWhen <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> >>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi >>>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got >>>>> there, don't you think? >>> >>>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a >>>> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. >>> >>> Looks like ZenIsWhen is the same person as rbwinn. Go figure... >>> >>> Need two liars for Jesus instead of one, eh boobie? >> >> Huh? >> I have no idea what's going on here - but I didn't write any of this. >> I DEMAND an apology for that grotesque insult. >> > > It is you quoting style. It is confusing. When you quote someone it > appears as though you were posting the material. Why not use the > universally accepted ">" in your posts? It will eliminate a lot of > confusion on the part of those who read your posts. I do ... in Outlook Express, it's automatic. The post is confusing, perhaps, because someone who posted it - edited it that way. I'm still waiting for an apology about comparing me to Willis.(.....;-)....) Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > news:1173711077.909408.25820@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist? >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to! >>>> No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists. >>>> Robert B. Winn >>> Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth? >> Because he isn't real. >> > Who is "real" to you in your Marvel comics heaven? In the comics? Nobody. I know the difference between fiction and reality. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 10, 6:20�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 9, 7:58?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> God is eternal. >>>>>> Unsupported assertion. >>>>> Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son. >>>> Let me get this straight. You claim one unsupported assertion is "wrong" >>>> by repeating ANOTHER unsupported assertion--which is completely >>>> unrelated to the first? >>>> Do you not hear how foolish you sound? Do you not see why no one >>>> respects your opinion? All you are doing is parroting little phrases you >>>> learned as a child. >>>> Sheesh... >>> I take it you have never read the Bible. >> Non sequitur. �Learn some logic. >> >>> Would you like me to send you a copy? >> I'd like you to send a copy to Jesse Ventura.- Hide quoted text - >> > OK. Give me his address. > Robert B. Winn If you really love god, you'll look it up. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 10, 6:11�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 9, 12:11?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Mar 8, 8:07?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god! >>>>>>> God is eternal. >>>>>> Unsupported assertion. >>>>> Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son. >>>> Circular argument. >>> It is not an argument. >> Yes, it is. �You should learn was an argument is. >> >>> It is a fact. >> No, it isn't. �You should learn what a fact is. >> >>> Sorry you disapprove of what God did. >> There is no evidence for any deities. �Therefore, there is no evidence >> any deities ever did anything. �I can hardly disapprove of what a non- >> existent thing couldn't have done; it would be pointless. �I can, >> though, point out your delusions, lies, and hypocrisies.- Hide quoted text - >> > Well, I certainly have no objection to your practicing what you intend > to say to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth. Evidently > your idea is that if you can convince me of something then it will > work on Jesus Christ. I assume you aren't a fictional character, but I could be wrong. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message > news:N7OdnXGAFvDSUXTYnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@ptd.net... >> Pastor Frank wrote: >>> "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message >>> news:eumdnS9prupYvHrYnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@ptd.net... >>>> Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1172556961.386584.45770@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Feb 26, 8:25�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >>>>>> I don't. I just think it's amusing how childish you are. >>>>>> >>>>> I have never thought you were amusing. And you are not childish. You >>>>> are evil. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>> --------- >>>>> These insults are just refuting ploys by Satan's minions to make >>>>> people STOP talking about Jesus. Will we let them? Hell NO!!!! We will >>>>> shout His most holy and perfect name from the roof tops if need be, and >>>>> no atheists are going to stop us!!!!! >>>> Just like suicide bombers in Iraq? >>>> ~Stumper >>>> >>> Notice the Golden Rule of Christ below. Are you telling us you would >>> never become a terrorist were your country bombed and invaded. Would you >>> be suitably shocked and awed and become immediately compliant and docile? >>> If not that, what would you do? >>> >>> Pastor Frank >>> >>> The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which >>> would >>> make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally >>> unthinkable: >>> THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST >>> Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >>> heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy >>> strength: this is the first commandment. >>> 31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour >>> as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. >>> Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two >>> commandments." >>> THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST, or Ethic of Reciprocity >>> Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that >>> men >>> should do to you, do ye even so to them...." >> First thing first. Would you stone adulterers? >> ~Stumper >> > That's a stupid question about Judaism. Jesus saved the adulteress from > getting stoned. But then some butt heads like getting stoned, ...and pay > good money for it too!!! Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. It doesn't go away because you want it to, Frank. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message > news:1173724270.502360.174380@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>>>> Where there is no sin. >>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? >>>> >>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ >>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. >> And there will be sugar plum fairies and cotton candy clouds. >> > Not for you Jess. Have you got your asbestos suit ready yet? Why? You planning on setting fire to my house? Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> >>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>>>> Where there is no sin. >>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? >>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ >>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. >> Jesus is gonna kill people? > > Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven: > and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, > and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, > that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. > Robert B. Winn So the answer is "yes, Jesus is going to kill people." Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 13, 12:06�pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Mar 13, 8:40?am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1173797097.983303.247550@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>> freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>>>>>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>>>>>>>>>> Where there is no sin. >>>>>>>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? >>>>>>>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ >>>>>>>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. >>>>>>>> Jesus is gonna kill people? >>>>>>> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven: >>>>>>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, >>>>>>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, >>>>>>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> If you believe that biblical bull shit! >>>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi >>>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, >>>>> don't you think? >>>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a >>>> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. ?The fact is, >>>> though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be >>>> the repentance of the people. ?It is no different today than when >>>> Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be >>>> destroyed. ?The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne >>>> to the begger in the street. ?Ninevah was not destroyed. >>>> Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his >>>> prophecy did not take place. >>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, yes, I have. �Reality is that no one has been killed by Jesus Christ. >> You're correct, because imaginary characters can't kill anyone. �Which >> is a good thing, because your imaginary little deity is described as >> killing whole societies willy-nilly.- Hide quoted text - >> > Well, I don't really think so. Or at all. >There are natural consequences to all actions, including sin. "Sin" is a religious concept. There is no "natural consequence" to a religious concept. Whole societies were warned of what would > happen to them if they did not repent of their sins. They did not > repent. Armies, natural disasters, diseases, etc., destroyed those > people. So you're claiming "sin" causes war, earthquakes, disease, etc? I don't suppose you have any objective, verifiable evidence for that assertion? Now you think it would be clever to accuse God of murder > because those wicked people did not succeed. Your belief seems to be > that because you have accused God, you are going to succeed. Sorry, > it is not going to happen. Difficult to accuse a fictional character of anything. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 14, 1:36�am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: >> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1173812791.771523.70720@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Mar 13, 8:40?am, "ZenIsWhen" <hereslook...@you.com> wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1173797097.983303.247550@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>> freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>>>>>>>>>>> Where there is no sin. >>>>>>>>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, >>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus >>>>>>>>>> Christ >>>>>>>>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. >>>>>>>>> Jesus is gonna kill people? >>>>>>>> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an >>>>>>>> oven: >>>>>>>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be >>>>>>>> stubble, >>>>>>>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of >>>>>>>> Hosts, >>>>>>>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> If you believe that biblical bull shit! >>>>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi >>>>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there, >>>>>> don't you think? >>>>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a >>>>> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. ?The fact is, >>>>> though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be >>>>> the repentance of the people. ?It is no different today than when >>>>> Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be >>>>> destroyed. ?The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne >>>>> to the begger in the street. ?Ninevah was not destroyed. >>>>> Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his >>>>> prophecy did not take place. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>> Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!- >>>>> Hide quoted text - >> Now THAT'S something I wrote! >> >> >> >>>> Well, yes, I have. �Reality is that no one has been killed by Jesus >>>> Christ. >> OK .. but, a parallel reality is that no one was ever killed by Batman, >> Superman, Wonder Woman or Darth Vader. >> > All of those are imaginary characters invented by cartoonists. Jesus > Christ is a real person. The imaginary cartoon characters are in the > same universe that we and Jesus Christ are in. Is that the "Universe of Imaginary Cartoon Characters"? Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Mar 13, 10:47�am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> >>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time >>> a natural event or a death of any kind takes place. >> Actually, it's Christians like you who claim that only Jesus has the >> power and right to give life and take it away, that's why abortion and >> mercy killings and suicide are supposed to be wrong according to you >> and your brainwashed ilk. >> >>> The fact is, though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster >>> would be the repentance of the people. >> That's what priests have been telling their congregations for >> thousands of years. �I remember seeing Pat Robertson claiming >> that hurricane Katrina wouldn't have happened if the people in >> Louisiana hadn't been such evil sinners. �All that Jazz music and >> the Mardis Gras that pissed off your god. �If not for them, he would >> have intervened and steered the hurricane off to sea. >> >> You're an idiot for believing Robertson or any of the Bible writers >> who thought exactly like him. �Like him, they were all fanatics, who >> actually believe some god can or does control the weather. >> > > Well, no, I am not an idiot. I was in New Orleans in 1971. It was a > wicked place then. I was in San Francisco in 1967. San Francisco was > a wicked place in 1967. I did not stay in either of those places > because I did not think it was wise to try to live there. The > problem was not jazz music; it was immorality. So what is your idea, > anyone who does not want to live in the midst of immorality is an > idiot? Of course not. But anyone who thinks sin causes war, disaster, and disease is. Quote
Guest jesshc Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message > news:n90bv29h5ctpvij6q5n8lnq0n2v2n8dsfm@4ax.com... >> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>> Where there is no sin. >> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? >> > Wrong! See below > > Pastor Frank > > Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when > the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of > God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo > there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU." Mmm, battling theists. Quote
Guest Jeff Whittaker Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On 15 Mar 2007 04:11:07 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: >On Mar 14, 10:00?pm, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: >> On 14 Mar 2007 20:09:37 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mar 14, 8:22?am, Jeff Whittaker <j...@northnet.org> wrote: >> >> On 13 Mar 2007 17:46:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >On Mar 13, 3:56?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Mar 13, 11:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> Richo wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> The vast majority of things humans believe they do so without "proof" >> >> >> >>> - but that doesnt make the beliefs foolish or unreasonable. >> >> >> >> That may be the doctrine in your religion, but not everyone agrees with >> >> >> >> you. For instance: >> >> >> >> >> "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without >> >> >> >> evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics >> >> >> >> > Evidence does not work on atheists. >> >> >> >> I am atheist and evidence works on me. So what you say is false, Bob. >> >> >> >> They only acknowledge evidence >> >> >> > which they believe supports their philosophy. >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Don't be stupid, Bob. That's the theist MO. >> >> >> >I am not stupid. >> >> theists only acknowledge evidence that they believe >> >> >> >> >> >supports their philosophy. %ll, let's check you out. >> >> > 7 = velocity of light >> >> > 8=wt >> >> > 8'=wt' >> >> > 'amma= 1/sqrt(1-v^2/w^2) >> >> >> > w = x/t = x'/t' = (x-vt)gamma/(t-vx/w^2)gamma = (x- >> >> >vt)/(t-vt/w) >> >> >> > f you acknowledge these equations, you will be the first >> >> >atheist to do so. % can go to other subjects if you like. (at else >> >> >would you like to discuss? >> >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Well, Bobby, usually when one presents a series of equations, it is >> >> usually nice to define what all the variables are and what you are >> >> trying to prove. >> >> >> See, I can use crappy math to prove that 1=2 >> >> >> Assume a=b >> >> Multiply both sides by a: a a=a b => a^2=ab >> >> Add the same amount (a^2) to both sides of the equation: >> >> a^2 + a^2=ab + a^2 >> >> Simplify: 2a^2=ab + a^2 >> >> Subtract the same amount (2ab) from both sides of the equation: >> >> 2a^2 - 2ab=ab + a^2 - 2ab >> >> Simplify: 2a^2 - 2ab=a^2 - ab >> >> Factor left side: 2(a^2 - ab)=a^2 - ab >> >> Cancel (a^2 - ab) from both sides gives: 2=1 >> >> >> However, my 'proof' fails cause it divides by zero at the end. I'm not >> >> enitely sure what your formula is trying to 'prove', but without more >> >> information, it's just a string of nonsense that doesn't tell me >> >> anything. And apparently you are just cutting and pasting it from the >> >> same retarded source each time because every time I've seen you post >> >> it, it's always indented by the exact same, irritating amount.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >Einstein and Lorentz already defined all the terms in the equations >> >except the term for velocity of light. took that from Poincaire's >> >equations. �o how do you claim your equations and comments apply to >> >the equations I posted? >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> I am not claiming my equations apply to the ones you posted. What I am >> claiming is that equations with insufficent information as to what >> they pertain to and bad assumptions about what a step might be doing >> (ie dividing by zero), proves absolutely nothing. Explain what you are >> trying to show with your equations and then someone might listen to >> you. No, wait, you are an incoherent babling butt-munch. Instead of >> trying to explain anything you will quote a random bit of your >> scripture thinking that will explain everything.- Hide quoted text - >> >I already told you what the equations show. They show that Einstein >was correct in his original statement that the Lorentz equations show >that light is transmitted at a constant velocity. Then Einstein >immediately used c=186,000 miles per second for velocity of light, >completely ignoring the fact that if light is proceeding in the -x >direction relative to a set of Cartesian coordinates such as he said >he was using, the velocity of a photon going in that direction would >be -186,000 miles per second relative to the Cartesian coordinates, >not +186,000 miles per second. >This eliminates the distance contraction that scientists use to >explain their interpretation of transmission of light. >The fact that you cannot understand what I just said does not affect >it in any way. The same is true of anything said in the Bible. The >ignorance of one person does not affect God and his works. >Robert B. Winn Does somebody that knows a more about physics and relativity want to take this? I don't know enough about the details to argue effectively. The only thing I can say at this point is that suddenly slapping a negative sign on a velocity shouldn't change anything as far as the equations are concerned...it's just the same velocity in the opposite direction. So instead of our observer seeing things going from left to right, he is instead seeing them go from right to left. Quote
Guest Elroy Willis Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 ZenIsWhen <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in alt.atheism > Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message >> ZenIsWhen perhaps from hereslooking@you.com wrote: >>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message >>>> Need two liars for Jesus instead of one, eh boobie? >>> Huh? >>> I have no idea what's going on here - but I didn't write any of this. >>> I DEMAND an apology for that grotesque insult. >> It is you quoting style. It is confusing. When you quote someone it >> appears as though you were posting the material. Why not use the >> universally accepted ">" in your posts? It will eliminate a lot of >> confusion on the part of those who read your posts. > I do ... > in Outlook Express, it's automatic. > The post is confusing, perhaps, because someone who posted it - edited it > that way. > I'm still waiting for an apology about comparing me to Willis.(.....;-)....) Sorry about that. The attributions got screwed up. I'm sure being confused with Boobie Winn is a real slap in the face. -- Elroy Willis http://www.elroysemporium.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message news:qljbv258qnafqatn3vj8o4htetp1ih7l02@4ax.com... > rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote: >>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven. >>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? >>> > Where there is no sin. > >>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right? > >> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ >> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness. > > Jesus is gonna kill people? > Jesus will be your defender, ...but only if you want Him to. He will not force your into His heaven. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 On 14 Mar 2007 20:42:28 -0700, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1173930148.791817.163370@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>: >On Mar 14, 4:54?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: .... >> There is no evidence about any gods or about Jesus as the divine.- Hide quoted text - >> >So you believe you have caused God and Jesus Christ to disappear with >your foolish statement. You know perfectly well that I did not say that. >Well, I would not be the one to inform of >your idea. Why don't you tell Jesus Christ when he returns to judge >the earth? Because He didn't show up when He said he would. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 5:54?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > You mean you don't know? > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173925966.505533.109410@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Mar 14, 6:10?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > What were written, were they written correctly? > > > Well, what do you think was written incorrectly? > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > I have no idea what you think. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 5:55?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you know that the father of Jesus is GOD! > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 5:56�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I do have a copy. Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 5:57?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How could I be rejecting any atonement when I don't know if it ever occurred! > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1173926624.857336.118180@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 14, 6:43?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Why did you ask that? Do you think that there is reason to think so? > > Do you have the evidence to back up! > > Reference to unsubstantial claims in books are not accepted! > > Well, if you reject the atonement of Christ, you are also going to > reject anything I might say to you. > Why don't you discuss it with Jesus Christ when he returns to judge > the earth? > Robert B. Winn By saying the atonement of Christ did not occur. Robert B. Winn Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 7:03�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Mar 14, 6:51?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 12:10?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:33?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > > > > > Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > > > >>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> Jesus is gonna kill people? > > > > > > > >>> Malachi 4:1 ?or, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven: > > > > > > > >>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, > > > > > > > >>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, > > > > > > > >>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. > > > > > > > >> So Jesus is gonna burn up all the bad people? > > > > > > > > The bad people are all going to burn up. > > > > > > > > What will Jesus be doing at that time? ?Stoking the fires? > > > > > > > Why don't you take it up with him? > > > > > > Explain how one can do that with an imaginary character.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, if you believe he is imaginary, why did you ask if he was stoking fires? > > > > Learn to read.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, here is what I read: Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 On Mar 15, 7:07�am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > Well, anyone who had studied the Bible was not surprised by what > > happened on September 11, 2001. > > Ah, perhaps you're in the "NYC got what was coming to it" camp, along > with such princes of peace as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. That > would be no surprise. > > > The Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, the oldest son of Abraham. > > What better description of Muslims has there ever been than the > > original prophecy concerning Ishmael? > > Genesis 16:12 Quote
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