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On Feb 14, 4:45�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171495525.124931.40...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

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On Feb 14, 4:47�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 13 Feb 2007 22:45:13 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in

> <1171435509.605186.82...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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> >> > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

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> >> > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

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> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

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> >> > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

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> >> > > > > > ?Not even just one?

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> >> > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> >> > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> >> > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> >> > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> >> > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist.

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On Feb 14, 5:14�pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Feb 14, 6:25 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

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> > On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

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> > > On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

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> > > ?[...]

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> > > Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah

> > > predicted to be god? ?The messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to

> > > bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the

> > > Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god.

>

> > Isaiah 9:6

Guest Don Kresch
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In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:11:07 -0800, "rbwinn"

<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> ...

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>> >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. �incoln said on

>> >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>>

>> Source with complete context please.

>

>I can give you the original source. Talk to Abraham Lincoln after the

>resurrection. He can tell you in person.

 

Mhhmm. This despite the fact that Lincoln didn't really

believe in jesus and all that. Read _The Real Lincoln_ by Thomas

DiLorenzo.

 

 

Don

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In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn"

<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>>

>> �...]

>>

>> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah

>> predicted to be god? �he messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to

>> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the

>> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god.

>

>

>Isaiah 9:6

 

See Is 8:3. That is the child spoken of in Is 9:6.

 

 

Don

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Guest Don Kresch
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In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:12:11 -0800, "rbwinn"

<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 14, 4:45?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171495525.124931.40...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>>

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>> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>>

>> >> ...]

>>

>> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah

>> >> predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to

>> >> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the

>> >> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god.

>>

>> >Isaiah 9:6 �or unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and

>> >the government shall be upon hos shoulder: !nd his name shall be

>> >called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father,

>> >The Prince of Peace.

>> >Robert B. Winn

>>

>> Where is the evidence that this has anything to do with Jesus?- Hide quoted text -

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>> - Show quoted text -

>

>Well, why don't you discuss it with Jesus when he returns to judge the

>earth?

 

IOW: none.

 

 

Don

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Guest Don Kresch
Posted

In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:14:19 -0800, "rbwinn"

<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 13, 6:05?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>>

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>> >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>> >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

>> >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>> >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>>

>> >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

>> >> > > > > > > would make itself known.

>>

>> >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

>> >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>>

>> >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have

>> >> > > > anything to support your strange belief?

>> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > > Of course it exists,

>> >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text -

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>> >> > > - Show quoted text -

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>> >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading

>> >> > it. �hy don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read

>> >> > it?

>>

>> >> I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different

>> >> languages. �here is still no evidence that it is true.

>>

>> >How did you like the book of Isaiah?

>>

>> What about it? And please don't say "VIRGIN

>> BIRTH!!!111oneoneoneeleven" It's just not in there. Properly

>> translated, Is 7:14 reads "look, a young woman has conceived and shall

>> give birth", which she does in Is 8:3. The child is then praised as

>> the prince of peace and wonderful counselor (Is 9:6).

>>

>> But, you go right on believing that it's about jesus--believe

>> it in the face of the textual evidence to the contrary.

>>

>Well, actually I was going to discuss the Assyrian invasion of Judea.

 

Which is what Is 7-9 is about, and NOT jesus.

 

 

Don

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Guest Free Lunch
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On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

<1171508373.435033.309090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>>

>> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> > ...

>>

>> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. �incoln said on

>> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>>

>> > Source with complete context please.

>>

>> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

>>

>> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

>> his book.

forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at

>> this very moment. t recommends hunting down and hanging anyone

>> critical of the war effort.

pundit has already confessed that he is

>> the author of the quote.

>>

>> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie

>> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._

>

>Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection

>and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible?

>I see no reason to worry about it myself.

 

Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there

is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions

with your silly incantation.

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On 14 Feb 2007 19:11:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

<1171509067.020375.38390@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>> ...

>>

>> >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. �incoln said on

>> >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>>

>> Source with complete context please.

>

>I can give you the original source. Talk to Abraham Lincoln after the

>resurrection. He can tell you in person.

 

So you admit that you did not know that, that you made a claim that you

could not support.

 

You are a liar.

 

Why should I accept any of your other claims?

Guest Free Lunch
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On 14 Feb 2007 19:14:10 -0800, in alt.atheism

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

<1171509250.777311.153230@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>On Feb 14, 4:47?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> On 13 Feb 2007 22:45:13 -0800, in alt.atheism

>> "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in

>> <1171435509.605186.82...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

>>

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>> >On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>> >> On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>>

>> >> > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>

>> >> > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>>

>> >> > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

>> >> > > > > > would make itself known.

>>

>> >> > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

>> >> > > > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>>

>> >> > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. �o you have

>> >> > > anything to support your strange belief?

>> >> > > Robert B. Winn

>>

>> >> > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of

>> >> > any god.

>>

>> >> Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. �ou

>> >> are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. am saying that it

>> >> does.

>>

>> >I have never said that the Bible does not exist. �hy do you tell such

>> >incredibly silly lies?

>>

>> Because he's under the delusion that the Bible counts as evidence if we

>> admit that it exists.- Hide quoted text -

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>> - Show quoted text -

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>I do not think anything counts with you. So just continue to claim

>that the Bible does not exist.

 

Once again you lie.

 

I have never claimed that the Bible does not exist and you know it.

 

You on the other hand have made all sorts of claims that you cannot

support with evidence, yet you keep making those false claims.

 

Why would anyone believe your lies?

Posted

On Feb 14, 8:19�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:11:07 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> ...

>

> >> >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

Posted

On Feb 14, 8:19�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>

> >>

Posted

On Feb 14, 8:19�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 19:12:11 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

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>

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> >On Feb 14, 4:45?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171495525.124931.40...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

>

> >> >> ...]

>

> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the messiah

> >> >> predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to bring peace, to

> >> >> bring comfort to the wretched, to heal the earth; but nowhere in the

> >> >> Old Testament does it say he will be worshiped as a god.

>

> >> >Isaiah 9:6

Posted

On Feb 14, 8:22�pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:14:19 -0800, "rbwinn"

> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

>

>

>

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> >On Feb 13, 6:05?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> >> In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> >> >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

> >> >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> >> >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> >> >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> >> >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>

> >> >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> >> >> > > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> >> >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> >> >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> >> >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have

> >> >> > > > anything to support your strange belief?

> >> >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> >> > > Of course it exists,

> >> >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >> >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading

> >> >> > it.

Posted

On Feb 14, 9:21�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

> >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

> >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> > ...

>

> >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

Posted

On Feb 14, 9:21�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2007 19:11:07 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> <1171509067.020375.38...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

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> >On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >> On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> >> <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> >> ...

>

> >> >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

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On 14 Feb., 20:00, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message

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> news:1171435012.693634.303310@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

> On 13 Feb., 22:47, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

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>

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> > "Semper Lib

Guest thomas p.
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On 15 Feb., 00:14, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 6:05?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> > In alt.atheism On 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"

> > <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:

>

> > >On Feb 13, 2:22 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> On 13 Feb., 05:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > >> > On Feb 12, 9:13?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

> > >> > > rbwinn wrote:

> > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> > >> > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>

> > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> > >> > > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > >> > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> > >> > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have

> > >> > > > anything to support your strange belief?

> > >> > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > >> > > Of course it exists,

> > >> > > so do Aesop's Fables and the Greek Myths- Hide quoted text -

>

> > >> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > >> > Well, if the Bible exists, you should have no objection to reading

> > >> > it. ?Why don't I just send you a copy so that you can actually read

> > >> > it?

>

> > >> I have read it in 4 different translations and in two different

> > >> languages. ?There is still no evidence that it is true.

>

> > >How did you like the book of Isaiah?

>

> > ? ? ? ? What about it? And please don't say "VIRGIN

> > BIRTH!!!111oneoneoneeleven" It's just not in there. Properly

> > translated, Is 7:14 reads "look, a young woman has conceived and shall

> > give birth", which she does in Is 8:3. The child is then praised as

> > the prince of peace and wonderful counselor (Is 9:6).

>

> > ? ? ? ? But, you go right on believing that it's about jesus--believe

> > it in the face of the textual evidence to the contrary.

>

> Well, actually I was going to discuss the Assyrian invasion of Judea.

> Did you read Isaiah's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea?

 

Did you read how the Lone Ranger met Tonto?

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> > Free Lunch wrote:

> > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

> > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

snip

>

> > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently

> > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>

> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.

>

> > He is lying for god - so it's Okay.

>

> Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? You say whether it exists.

> Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff.

 

You are a liar. You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not

exist. Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. You called

nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:38, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 10:14�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> > rbwinn wrote:

> > > On Feb 12, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > > > rbwinn wrote:

> > > > > On Feb 12, 4:20�am, bill.m.tho...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > > > On Feb 12, 4:32 pm, "Semper Lib貦quot; <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>

> > > > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>

> > > > > > >news:XzMzh.4236$6a.3198@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>

> > > > > > > > It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God

> > > > > > > > beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually

> > > > > > > > exist.

>

> > > > > > > What do you call resurrection?

>

> > > > > > An unsubstantiated claim in books written by unknown authors at least

> > > > > > forty years (being generous here) ?after the alleged events. One of

> > > > > > those authors the writer of the gospel attributed to Luke by Irenaeus

> > > > > > in the later half of the second century, makes it clear in the first

> > > > > > few lines that he is just repeating hearsay. Without corroboration by

> > > > > > contemporary Roman records the other authors are also dismissed as

> > > > > > writing hearsay. Especially considering the late date that these were

> > > > > > written (well after the Jewish revolt).

>

> > > > > > > Then there's this.... and a lot more....

>

> > > > > > > The Anthropic Principle

>

> > > > > > <SNIP nonsense about anthropic principle>

>

> > > > > > Dead on arrival. "The puddle marveled that the hole it was in was a

> > > > > > perfect fit".

>

> > > > > > Bill

>

> > > > > Well, since you do not accept any of the New Testament as being valid,

> > > > > let's talk about the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. ?Does the

> > > > > Book of Isaiah exist, or was it something you say was written as

> > > > > fiction in the second century also?

> > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > > > Isaiah exists in so much that it tells impossible tales designed to 'impress'

> > > > the followrs of the day, and still does impress some folks with a warped sense

> > > > of reasoning.

>

> > > > Isiah ch xxxvii vol 36

>

> > > > Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote the camp of the Assyrians a

> > > > hundred and fourscore and five thousand; and when they arose in the morning,

> > > > behold, they were all dead corpses

>

> > > > Maybe your god's angel [groan] was too busy slaughtering humans to bother about

> > > > having such a silly 'fau pas' left uncorrected- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > Well, Bob, something obviously happened. ?The Assyrians took more than

> > > twenty cities in their invasion of Judea. ?You can still go to the

> > > ruins of Lachish and walk over the wall of the city on the ramp built

> > > by the Assyrians for that purpose. ?But to quote Sennacherib himself,

> > > he was so kind to Hezekiah, the king of Judea, that after holding him

> > > prisoner in Jerusalem, he allowed him to pay tribute, and the

> > > Assyrians returned to Ninevah. ?Does that sound like the truth to

> > > you? ?Every other king who resisted the Assyrians was cut up in little

> > > pieces and fed to the dogs.

> > > The Bible says that 180,000 Assyrian soldiers were killed by an

> > > angel. ? Besorus, a Chaldean historian quoted by Josephus, says that

> > > 180,000 Assyrian soldiers died from plague. ?One thing for certain,

> > > 180,000 Assyrian soldiers did not enter Jerusalem the way they entered

> > > Lachish.

> > > Before the Assyrian invasion, Lachish was the second most fortified

> > > city in Judea. ?So why didn't the Assyrians take Jerusalem?

> > > Surely, you educated people have some idea of what happened.

> > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > Immaterial. ?The verse from the bible is rubbish. ?Possibly based on something that

> > happened but there were no gods involved

>

> OK, you think that verse of Isaiah is rubbish.   What about the verse

> that says a conduit for water was made from Gihon spring to carry

> water from that source into the city of Jerusalem.  Is that verse

> rubbish?

 

What difference would it make to the question of whether the Bible

stories are the word of any god or whether they describe miracles that

actually happened?

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:46, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 11:45?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > > On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > > > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > > > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>

> > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> > > > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> > > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > > > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> > > > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?Do you have

> > > > > anything to support your strange belief?

> > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > > > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of

> > > > any god.

>

> > > Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. ?You

> > > are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. ?I am saying that it

> > > does.

>

> > I have never said that the Bible does not exist. ?Why do you tell such

> > incredibly silly lies?

>

> Well, since you acknowledge that it does exist, maybe I should send

> you a copy. Then you could determine whether or not you can actually

> say whether it is a physical object or not.

 

Perhaps you could stop lying and apologise to me and the others for

your lie. On the other hand if you indtend to keep lying (as your

posts indicate), perhaps you could make up some that are not quite so

inane. Probably not.

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:47, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On 13 Feb 2007 22:45:13 -0800, in alt.atheism

> "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote in

> <1171435509.605186.82...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On 14 Feb., 01:49, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> On Feb 13, 1:47 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > On 12 Feb., 20:25, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > On Feb 12, 9:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> >> > > > On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> >> > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>

> >> > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> >> > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> >> > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> >> > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > > > Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?

>

> >> > > So you are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. Do you have

> >> > > anything to support your strange belief?

> >> > > Robert B. Winn

>

> >> > This may come as a surprise for you, but the Bible is not evidence of

> >> > any god.

>

> >> Well, it seems we have reached the extent of our conversation. You

> >> are maintaining that the Bible does not exist. I am saying that it

> >> does.

>

> >I have never said that the Bible does not exist. Why do you tell such

> >incredibly silly lies?

>

> Because he's under the delusion that the Bible counts as evidence if we

> admit that it exists.-

 

He is also under the delusion that he is being clever instead of the

inane twit that he is.

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:50, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 11:47?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

>

>

> > On 14 Feb., 01:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > > On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

>

> > > > On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > > rbwinn wrote:

> > > > > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:

> > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > ?Not even just one?

>

> > > > > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god

> > > > > > > > > > would make itself known.

>

> > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?

> > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > > > > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths.

>

> > > > > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers

> > > > > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are?

>

> > > > > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books:

>

> > > > > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the

> > > > > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent

> > > > > > > his only Begotten Son.

> > > > > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.

> > > > > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known?

> > > > > > > Robert B. Winn

>

> > > > > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were

> > > > > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were

> > > > > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers.

>

> > > > > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt,

> > > > > > an extra drop of wine as well.

>

> > > > > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly

> > > > > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of

> > > > > > thousands.....

>

> > > > > > Bob

> > > > > > Humanist Brit.

>

> > > > > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified

> > > > > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use,

> > > > > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked."

> > > > > > [Robert G. Ingersoll]

>

> > > > > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the

> > > > > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.

> > > > > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you

> > > > > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?

> > > > > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?stegn -

>

> > > > Well, of course, you are welcome to present evidence that your

> > > > religious beliefs are true. ?Until then, there is no reason to believe

> > > > you.

>

> > > Well, I already did. ?I said that the Bible existed. ?Atheists said

> > > that it did not exist. ?

>

> > No atheist has said that the Bible does not exist.

>

> > >So we have ended the conversation. ?Atheists

> > > are free to claim that the Bible does not exist.

>

> > Still telling insane lies I see. ?Is there some point to that?- Hide quoted text -

>

> No atheist has said that the Bible does not exist? So in what way do

> you claim it exists? Does it exist the same way something on Bob's

> list of alleged gods exits?

> In other words, does the Bible have a physical existence, or is it

> like one of the names on Bob's list?

 

The book exists. I have 6 different copies of it myself in two

languages, because my work requires it. No atheist has said or

implied that it did not exist. You told a very stupid lie. You are

now, in a display of your inanity, trying to drag out your moronic

performance. Thanks for making your belief look bad.

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:

snip

> > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently

> > > maintained that the Bible does not exist.

>

> > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes

> > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Well, let's get right to it. In what way do you acknowedge that the

> Bible exists? Bob has a list that he keeps posting. Does the Bible

> exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?

 

And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.

Guest thomas p.
Posted

On 15 Feb., 03:59, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

> > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism

> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in

> > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:

>

> > > ...

>

> > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. ?Lincoln said on

> > > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.

>

> > > Source with complete context please.

>

> > You'll never get it, not anything genuine.

>

> > Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in

> > his book. ?A forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at

> > this very moment. ?It recommends hunting down and hanging anyone

> > critical of the war effort. ?A pundit has already confessed that he is

> > the author of the quote.

>

> > The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie

> > Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._

>

> Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection

> and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible?

> I see no reason to worry about it myself.

 

The twit confirms Jjls' judgment.

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