Guest Free Lunch Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:02:52 -0500, in alt.atheism Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in <m8oqv29atkos8nabi4lg9vkv56cru3tqor@4ax.com>: >On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:56:40 +0800, in alt.atheism >"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in ><45fcb9c5$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>news:jh6ov2l668b81vrva3hqf6v8s58kgkjbb6@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:20:48 +0800, in alt.atheism >>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in >>> <45fb10d5$0$16367$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>>>> >>>>> We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true. >>>>> We have no idea what Jesus actually said. >>>>> We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not. >>>>> We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly. >>>> >>>> Is that what you are going to use to justify your disbelief? I.e. "I >>>> had >>>>no idea" that almighty God exists, and actually is going to judge us all. >>> >>> I don't have to justify my 'disbelief'. The mere fact that you cannot >>> justify your beliefs is sufficient for me not to accept your claims >>> about gods or religion. >>> >> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) as demonstrated by Jesus >>Christ on the cross of Calvary. So our God is fairly easy to "justify", >>unless you have no idea what love is beyond some funny feelings in your >>crotch. > >You've demonstrated a complete unwillingness to listen and an unfettered >willingness to lie and misrepresent what is going on, but let me try >once more to help you understand why you are lying about everything >here, including Christianity. > >Love is a supposed attribute of the particular God you worship. There is >no evidence at all that any gods exist or that any of the asserted >attributes are true. There is no evidence that the stories of the >Gospels are true. Christians accept all of this by faith, not because >they have evidence. Those who claim to have evidence are repeating >falsehoods. Some, like you, already know that the claim that there is >evidence is false. When you claim that there is evidence, but know there >is none, you are lying. > >The fact that love exists does not provide any evidence that the God you >worship exists. The Sun exists, but that does not mean that any of the >Sun gods exist. It is a logical error, which has been pointed out to you >already, to claim that A exists because a supposed attribute of A >exists. > >You need to stop lying if you want anyone to take you seriously as a >person or as a self-described Christian. Nothing you have posted in >these many months persuades me that you follow the teachings of Jesus. >Since that is the case, why should I, or anyone else, accept any of your >assertions about what Christians teach? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:56:40 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45fcb9c5$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >news:jh6ov2l668b81vrva3hqf6v8s58kgkjbb6@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:20:48 +0800, in alt.atheism >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in >> <45fb10d5$0$16367$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >>>> >>>> We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true. >>>> We have no idea what Jesus actually said. >>>> We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not. >>>> We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly. >>> >>> Is that what you are going to use to justify your disbelief? I.e. "I >>> had >>>no idea" that almighty God exists, and actually is going to judge us all. >> >> I don't have to justify my 'disbelief'. The mere fact that you cannot >> justify your beliefs is sufficient for me not to accept your claims >> about gods or religion. >> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) as demonstrated by Jesus >Christ on the cross of Calvary. So our God is fairly easy to "justify", >unless you have no idea what love is beyond some funny feelings in your >crotch. You've demonstrated a complete unwillingness to listen and an unfettered willingness to lie and misrepresent what is going on, but let me try once more to help you understand why you are lying about everything here, including Christianity. Love is a supposed attribute of the particular God you worship. There is no evidence at all that any gods exist or that any of the asserted attributes are true. There is no evidence that the stories of the Gospels are true. Christians accept all of this by faith, not because they have evidence. Those who claim to have evidence are repeating falsehoods. Some, like you, already know that the claim that there is evidence is false. When you claim that there is evidence, but know there is none, you are lying. The fact that love exists does not provide any evidence that the God you worship exists. The Sun exists, but that does not mean that any of the Sun gods exist. It is a logical error, which has been pointed out to you already, to claim that A exists because a supposed attribute of A exists. You need to stop lying if you want anyone to take you seriously as a person or as a self-described Christian. Nothing you have posted in these many months persuades me that you follow the teachings of Jesus. Since that is the case, why should I, or anyone else, accept any of your assertions about what Christians teach? -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 On 18 Mar 2007 08:56:07 -0700, in alt.atheism "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in <1174233367.533631.313160@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >On Mar 18, 8:29?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: >> Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> > >> We have nothing to talk about. use words with their actual >> > >> meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists. >> >> > > The word "fetus" is a precise, specific term--unlike the many nonsense >> > > religious terms created solely to inflame emotions over the abortion >> > > issue. >> >> > >> The fact that atheists can say that unborn children are not human beings >> > >> means nothing to me. >> >> > > Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those >> > > nonsense terms) are not human beings. >> >> > "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were in >> > the USA? >> >> No, "not human beings" like not having a birth date...- Hide quoted text - >> >The term "human being" has nothing to do with time. All it means is >that the individual is human and exists. With regard to the term >child, I use it the same way it was used in the Bible. Luke 2:5 To >be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. >As you can see from this verse of the Bible, Jesus Christ was a child >while he was still in his mother's womb. The law has never treated fetuses as if they were children. Get over it. Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:17:35 -0400, stumper wrote: > >> Michael Gray wrote: >>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>> wrote: >>> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more if you "rely" on the excresent English or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartless con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for much suffering and premature death in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his single-minded pursuit of the dollar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist? >>>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously >>>>>>>>>>> retarded infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a >>>>>>>>>>> truly astounding extent. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a >>>>>>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law. >>>>>>>>>> How about you? >>>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless. 2) >>>>>>>>> Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion. 3) >>>>>>>>> What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to >>>>>>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your >>>>>>>>> posts here? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort. Your >>>>>>>>> responses are all logical fallacies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher. No fucking wonder you >>>>>>>>> cannot employ logic or reason! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen. >>>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker. >>>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo >>>>>>> mental-cripple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable? >>>>>>> It works. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable? >>>>> Not always. >>>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected >>>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher. >>>>> >>>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying >>>>> when you implied that you are an atheist. But then again, I do not >>>>> expect to get any form of reality or honesty from you. >>>>> I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect. >>>>> >>>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of >>>>> wits with an unarmed opponent. >>>>> >>>> Unlike some clueless people, >>>> I don't feel the need to answer >>>> all questions once and for all. >>>> >>>> Things change. >>>> People change. >>>> Knowledge increases. >>>> Science gets better. >>>> Even theology advances. >>>> >>>> You would feel a lot better >>>> once you learn to live with uncertainty. >>>> >>>> Do you know when you are going to die? >>> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive >>> stalking of me. >>> >>> -- >> >> If anything happens to me or my family because you have posted here >> certain name and address, you will be criminally responsible for it. >> >> Happy now? >> >> Better start praying >> for the safety of me and my family now. > > Your paranoid delusions are getting the upper hand. You should see someone > about that... > To give cops some head start, I might blog in my website what you did for me and my family. -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:42:26 -0400, stumper wrote: > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:17:35 -0400, stumper wrote: >> >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more if you "rely" on the excresent English or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartless con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for much suffering and premature death in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his single-minded pursuit of the dollar. He makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist? >>>>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously >>>>>>>>>>>> retarded infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a >>>>>>>>>>>> truly astounding extent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such >>>>>>>>>>>> a conclusion is unwarranted? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law. >>>>>>>>>>> How about you? >>>>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless. 2) >>>>>>>>>> Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion. >>>>>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability >>>>>>>>>> to judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in >>>>>>>>>> your posts here? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort. Your >>>>>>>>>> responses are all logical fallacies. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher. No fucking wonder you >>>>>>>>>> cannot employ logic or reason! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen. >>>>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker. >>>>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo >>>>>>>> mental-cripple. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable? >>>>>>>> It works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable? >>>>>> Not always. >>>>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected >>>>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher. >>>>>> >>>>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying >>>>>> when you implied that you are an atheist. But then again, I do not >>>>>> expect to get any form of reality or honesty from you. I see that >>>>>> you have not disappointed me in that respect. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle >>>>>> of wits with an unarmed opponent. >>>>>> >>>>> Unlike some clueless people, >>>>> I don't feel the need to answer >>>>> all questions once and for all. >>>>> >>>>> Things change. >>>>> People change. >>>>> Knowledge increases. >>>>> Science gets better. >>>>> Even theology advances. >>>>> >>>>> You would feel a lot better >>>>> once you learn to live with uncertainty. >>>>> >>>>> Do you know when you are going to die? >>>> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive >>>> stalking of me. >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> If anything happens to me or my family because you have posted here >>> certain name and address, you will be criminally responsible for it. >>> >>> Happy now? >>> >>> Better start praying >>> for the safety of me and my family now. >> >> Your paranoid delusions are getting the upper hand. You should see >> someone about that... >> >> > > To give cops some head start, > I might blog in my website > what you did for me and my family. I did nothing for you nor your family. Have you spoken to a shrink yet about your pathological lying? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 Mark K. Bilbo wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:42:26 -0400, stumper wrote: > >> Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:17:35 -0400, stumper wrote: >>> >>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more if you "rely" on the excresent English or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartless con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for much suffering and premature death in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his single-minded pursuit of the dollar. He makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously >>>>>>>>>>>>> retarded infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> truly astounding extent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such >>>>>>>>>>>>> a conclusion is unwarranted? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law. >>>>>>>>>>>> How about you? >>>>>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless. 2) >>>>>>>>>>> Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion. >>>>>>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability >>>>>>>>>>> to judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in >>>>>>>>>>> your posts here? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort. Your >>>>>>>>>>> responses are all logical fallacies. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher. No fucking wonder you >>>>>>>>>>> cannot employ logic or reason! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen. >>>>>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker. >>>>>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo >>>>>>>>> mental-cripple. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable? >>>>>>>>> It works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable? >>>>>>> Not always. >>>>>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected >>>>>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying >>>>>>> when you implied that you are an atheist. But then again, I do not >>>>>>> expect to get any form of reality or honesty from you. I see that >>>>>>> you have not disappointed me in that respect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle >>>>>>> of wits with an unarmed opponent. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unlike some clueless people, >>>>>> I don't feel the need to answer >>>>>> all questions once and for all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Things change. >>>>>> People change. >>>>>> Knowledge increases. >>>>>> Science gets better. >>>>>> Even theology advances. >>>>>> >>>>>> You would feel a lot better >>>>>> once you learn to live with uncertainty. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you know when you are going to die? >>>>> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive >>>>> stalking of me. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> If anything happens to me or my family because you have posted here >>>> certain name and address, you will be criminally responsible for it. >>>> >>>> Happy now? >>>> >>>> Better start praying >>>> for the safety of me and my family now. >>> Your paranoid delusions are getting the upper hand. You should see >>> someone about that... >>> >>> >> To give cops some head start, >> I might blog in my website >> what you did for me and my family. > > I did nothing for you nor your family. > > Have you spoken to a shrink yet about your pathological lying? > Were you trying to harm someone when you posted his full contact information without permission? -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:55:30 -0400, stumper wrote: > Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:42:26 -0400, stumper wrote: >> >>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote: >>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:17:35 -0400, stumper wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more if you "rely" on the excresent English or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartless con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for much suffering and premature death in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his single-minded pursuit of the dollar. He makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously >>>>>>>>>>>>>> retarded infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> truly astounding extent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a conclusion is unwarranted? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law. >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about you? >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless. 2) >>>>>>>>>>>> Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion. >>>>>>>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability >>>>>>>>>>>> to judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in >>>>>>>>>>>> your posts here? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort. Your >>>>>>>>>>>> responses are all logical fallacies. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher. No fucking wonder you >>>>>>>>>>>> cannot employ logic or reason! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen. >>>>>>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker. >>>>>>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo >>>>>>>>>> mental-cripple. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable? >>>>>>>>>> It works. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable? >>>>>>>> Not always. >>>>>>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected >>>>>>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying >>>>>>>> when you implied that you are an atheist. But then again, I do not >>>>>>>> expect to get any form of reality or honesty from you. I see that >>>>>>>> you have not disappointed me in that respect. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle >>>>>>>> of wits with an unarmed opponent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unlike some clueless people, >>>>>>> I don't feel the need to answer >>>>>>> all questions once and for all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Things change. >>>>>>> People change. >>>>>>> Knowledge increases. >>>>>>> Science gets better. >>>>>>> Even theology advances. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You would feel a lot better >>>>>>> once you learn to live with uncertainty. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know when you are going to die? >>>>>> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive >>>>>> stalking of me. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> If anything happens to me or my family because you have posted here >>>>> certain name and address, you will be criminally responsible for it. >>>>> >>>>> Happy now? >>>>> >>>>> Better start praying >>>>> for the safety of me and my family now. >>>> Your paranoid delusions are getting the upper hand. You should see >>>> someone about that... >>>> >>>> >>> To give cops some head start, >>> I might blog in my website >>> what you did for me and my family. >> >> I did nothing for you nor your family. >> >> Have you spoken to a shrink yet about your pathological lying? >> > > Were you trying to harm someone > when you posted his full contact information > without permission? "Someone?" You get confused easily it seems. Have you spoken to your shrink about this? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest rbwinn Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 On Mar 18, 10:55�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 18 Mar 2007 08:56:07 -0700, in alt.atheism > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in > <1174233367.533631.313...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Mar 18, 8:29?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > >> Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >> > >> We have nothing to talk about. Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:32:48 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: > Atheists<SMACK> Bad troll! -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:44:29 +0800, in alt.atheism "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in <45fcb9bf$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>: >"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1hv3ycb.lnc03k1xa85e6N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... .... >> Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those >> nonsense terms) are not human beings. >> > "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were in >the USA? Not really. By the way, I have no use for abortion, but the folks who call themselves 'pro-life' have proven themselves to be some of the most vile, corrupt people in American politics today. They are offensive beyond words. None of their actions are motivated by Christian charity. When the pro-life people start to work to make certain that people aren't at all interested in getting abortions -- don't feel any need to get one, when they vote for decent social welfare programs, when they abandon their bloodlust toward those who have been convicted, sometimes wrongly, then I will consider what they have to say. Right now, the pro-life people are just too despicable to ever support. Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:17:35 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: - Refer: <HsKdncdpxLSbxWDYnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@ptd.net> >Michael Gray wrote: >> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net> >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God? >>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist? >>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded >>>>>>>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding >>>>>>>>>> extent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a >>>>>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law. >>>>>>>>> How about you? >>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless. >>>>>>>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion. >>>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to >>>>>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your >>>>>>>> posts here? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort. >>>>>>>> Your responses are all logical fallacies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher. >>>>>>>> No fucking wonder you cannot employ logic or reason! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen. >>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker. >>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo >>>>>> mental-cripple. >>>>>> >>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable? >>>>>> It works. >>>>>> >>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable? >>>> Not always. >>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected >>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher. >>>> >>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying >>>> when you implied that you are an atheist. >>>> But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty >>>> from you. >>>> I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect. >>>> >>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of >>>> wits with an unarmed opponent. >>>> >>> Unlike some clueless people, >>> I don't feel the need to answer >>> all questions once and for all. >>> >>> Things change. >>> People change. >>> Knowledge increases. >>> Science gets better. >>> Even theology advances. >>> >>> You would feel a lot better >>> once you learn to live with uncertainty. >>> >>> Do you know when you are going to die? >> >> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive >> stalking of me. >> >> -- > > >If anything happens to me or my family >because you have posted here certain name and address, >you will be criminally responsible for it. This outright lie is legally actionable, and has been recorded. You must supply me with the contact details of your legal representative immediately. >Happy now? > >Better start praying >for the safety of me and my family now. -- Quote
Guest andi1235@gmail.com Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 On Feb 13, 12:13 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged > ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees > with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your > personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you > do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no > one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous. No one will go to Hell for being self-righteous, but atheists who are completely certain in their BELIEF of the lack of any Gods are just as self-righteous and smug as any Fundamentalist Christian out there -- and for the record, I don't think either side is right. I am absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell and religion in general, but I am equally opposed to Atheists who are so certain in THEIR beliefs that they can't stand the thought that there might be something out there more impressive then humans. Granted, the Atheist isn't going to try and condemn me to eternal suffering because I disagree with them, but some of them still tend to be self- righteous jerks, or "smug gits," if you prefer. Sorry for the harsh tone, but come on, someone else's belief in Hell isn't hurting you, so take the high ground and be polite about things. You can't possibly know the One Certain Truth any more then your average Christian does, and except for a small minority of evil, angry religious people who try to justify their evil actions by twisting religion to their purposes, the vast majority of people who hold some sort of religious belief are not hurting ANYONE. No matter how much they believe in Hell, they aren't going to make it true. FYI, I like to believe that there is some sort of God or group of Gods out there, but I don't for a moment pretend to know for sure, and since no one could possibly know the Truth for sure, I'm willing to live and let live, unless someone is acting like an ass because of their belief or lack thereof, at which point I'll....um....give them a (hopefully!) polite lecture, apparently . -Andi Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1174186556.970790.212960@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Mar 17, 7:13�am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > We've heard your lame argument that "Stalin was an atheist and he > > > > > killed > > > > > millions of people" countless times before. It doesn't stand up. > > > > > Stalin's atheism had nothing to do with his motives, he didn't > > > > > kill in > > > > > the name of atheism--unlike the nineteen hijackers. > > > > > Well, I think he did. What about abortion doctors? They have killed > > > > about 60,000,000 Americans since 1973. Are you saying that they do > > > > not do what they do in the name of atheism? > > > >No, of course they don't. > > > > Do you have any conception (nopun intended) that other people can have > > > different opinions about issues like abortion without being atheists > > > or > > > doing things "in the name of atheism" (whatever that means)? Abortion > > > is > > > a safe and legal medical procedure, and is done at the request of the > > > woman seeking medical attention. Your moral posturing contributes > > > nothing to the discussion. > > > > Your figure of 60,000,000 abortions in the US since 1973 is too high > > > by > > > at least a factor of two; if you're going to quote statistics, please > > > be > > > a little more accurate. > > > > And finally, we're not talking about "Americans" any more than you > > > could > > > describe unborn fetuses as "truck drivers" or "golfers" or "Dixie > > > Chicks > > > fans". They're FETUSES, they aren't people. I'm not sure where you > > > come > > > up with such kooky descriptions (actually, I am pretty sure where > > > you > > > come up with such kooky descriptions.) > > > > If this is the level of your debating skills, then we have little > > > further to talk about. > > > We have nothing to talk about. I use words with their actual > > meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists. > > The word "fetus" is a precise, specific term--unlike the many nonsense > religious terms created solely to inflame emotions over the abortion > issue. > > > The fact that atheists can say that unborn children are not human beings > > means nothing to me. > > Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those > nonsense terms) are not human beings. > > > I can tell that they are human beings. > > Actually, I'd bet you can't.- Hide quoted text - > I just did. Hitler and the Nazis said that Jews were not human beings. You are no different in your statement about unborn children. Robert B. Winn ------------------ Don't forget that the USA Government declared native Americans to be "varmint" to be eradicated, even paying bounty for the scalps of native men women and children. Later, the US Supreme Court ruled, that Negroes weren't persons and had no human rights, but were chattel and could be disposed of as their owners saw fit. Disregarding the opinion of the to be aborted human is the last vestige of this kind of mentality. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Richo Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 On Mar 20, 6:31 am, andi1...@gmail.com wrote: > On Feb 13, 12:13 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged > > ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees > > with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your > > personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you > > do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no > > one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous. > > No one will go to Hell for being self-righteous, You cant know that. No one can. > but atheists who are > completely certain in their BELIEF of the lack of any Gods are just as > self-righteous and smug as any Fundamentalist Christian out there -- > and for the record, I don't think either side is right. I dont believe in the certainty of atheists. I think it's largely religious propaganda. > I am > absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell and > religion in general, but I am equally opposed to Atheists who are so > certain in THEIR beliefs that they can't stand the thought that there > might be something out there more impressive then humans. What percentage of atheists do you imagine feel this certainty? Has a priest given you any official numbers on this? Also I believe whales are very impressive and so is the Sun - and yet I am still a godless infidel and unbeliever. > Granted, > the Atheist isn't going to try and condemn me to eternal suffering > because I disagree with them, but some of them still tend to be self- > righteous jerks, or "smug gits," if you prefer. > Sure. Some tall people are self righteous jerks - and dont get me started on men with moustaches! > Sorry for the harsh tone, but come on, someone else's belief in Hell > isn't hurting you, so take the high ground and be polite about > things. Have you ever thought about the psychological trauma inflicted on children that are taught to believe in Hell? These beliefs are not as harmless as you would at first think. How about the belief in marterdom? Thats another harmless religious belief. > You can't possibly know the One Certain Truth any more then > your average Christian does, and except for a small minority of evil, > angry religious people who try to justify their evil actions by > twisting religion to their purposes, the vast majority of people who > hold some sort of religious belief are not hurting ANYONE. No matter > how much they believe in Hell, they aren't going to make it true. > An idea does not have to be true to be harmful. How about the idea that some races of human are "inferiour"? How about the belief in the manifest destinyt of white christian people to conquere the world? > FYI, I like to believe that there is some sort of God or group of Gods > out there, but I don't for a moment pretend to know for sure, and > since no one could possibly know the Truth for sure, I'm willing to > live and let live, unless someone is acting like an ass because of > their belief or lack thereof, at which point I'll....um....give them a > (hopefully!) polite lecture, apparently . > > -Andi I dont believe in any gods - and I believe that worshiping gods is always a bad idea - it is corrosive of human dignity, wisdom and ethics. Cheers, Mark. Quote
Guest Paul Ransom Erickson Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:05 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >Paul Ransom Erickson wrote: >> stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's not easy to prove that something does not exist. >>> It would be a lot easier to show that >>> you can be kinder and gentler without relying on it. >> >> Who is trying to prove that something doesn't exist? Not me. >> >> I don't even think it can be done for "god", unless the definition of >> some partucular god is self-contradictory. >> >> I think that you have a lot of assumptions hidden behind your zennish >> prose. Go honk at yourself. >> >> > >Wonderful. > >Care to help me pin down those assumptions? Ok, and do the same for me. Here is one that I think I see: It looks like you think the atheists you are talking to are all interested in disproving the existence of a character that other people believe in. You might not have picked up on it yet, but in alt.atheism "atheism" usually means "someone who does not have a belief in what are called gods". Yes, it is a vexed description because the word "god" is vexed. But at least it does not mean that to be an atheist is to be focused on the nonexistence of some such entity -- or on the attempt to prove that it does not exist. It is true that there are some here who do focus on just that, but that depends on the individual. The self-appelation "atheist" does not tell you enough about a person to lecture them about, eg, "atheism" being a Christian theology, etc. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message news:pan.2007.03.18.05.28.41.317639@com.mkbilbo... > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:16:14 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is >> going >> to yank your number. > > Oh shut up Frank. > Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 > EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion > Don't want us to rat on you and cause your precious atheist number to be yanked, do you? "Shut up" indeed!!!!! -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:45ADBAB9.D4EE9502@netvigator.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message >> news:gr2dndzXM_J1UGfYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > >> > What does any of this have to do with the evidence of God you were >> > going >> > to produce to show that your statement, "Evidence does not work on >> > atheists' is correct? >> > Aren't you just trying to change the subject, trying to create a >> > diversion >> > away from your inability to produce such evidence? >> >> No matter what proof anyone presents atheists will always reject it, > > Try one - I challenge you > >> for >> to reject is the prime directive of their belief or disbelief system. Our >> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4 ,16) become fully manifested in Jesus >> Christ shedding His precious and innocent blood for us sinners on the >> cross >> of Calvary. >> Therefore we know our God and have seen Him in Jesus Christ. Only >> atheists would insist that such self-sacrificing love does not exist in >> reality. And perhaps in their "reality" it does indeed not exist. >> I just presented the proof of the existence of love, the same love Jesus our God incarnate proved to exist when He shed His innocent blood for us sinners on the cross of Calvary, ...and you couldn't see it. Atheism makes people blind, don't it? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 "ZenIsWhen" <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in message news:PD7Lh.12142$1a6.11528@trnddc08... > > Reality is reality, not a "god". You forgot to finish your sentence with: > "...not a god" of MY definition. But don't we all know, except atheists of > course, that there are existing gods aplenty, for anything or anyone can > serve as someone's god. Even you apparently admit having god(s). -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Paul Ransom Erickson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:05 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> > wrote: > >> Paul Ransom Erickson wrote: >>> stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>> It's not easy to prove that something does not exist. >>>> It would be a lot easier to show that >>>> you can be kinder and gentler without relying on it. >>> Who is trying to prove that something doesn't exist? Not me. >>> >>> I don't even think it can be done for "god", unless the definition of >>> some partucular god is self-contradictory. >>> >>> I think that you have a lot of assumptions hidden behind your zennish >>> prose. Go honk at yourself. >>> >>> >> Wonderful. >> >> Care to help me pin down those assumptions? > > Ok, and do the same for me. > > Here is one that I think I see: > > It looks like you think the atheists you are talking to are all > interested in disproving the existence of a character that other > people believe in. You might not have picked up on it yet, but in > alt.atheism "atheism" usually means "someone who does not have a > belief in what are called gods". > > Yes, it is a vexed description because the word "god" is vexed. But > at least it does not mean that to be an atheist is to be focused on > the nonexistence of some such entity -- or on the attempt to prove > that it does not exist. > > It is true that there are some here who do focus on just that, but > that depends on the individual. The self-appelation "atheist" does > not tell you enough about a person to lecture them about, eg, > "atheism" being a Christian theology, etc. > I don't think some so-called atheists here even know what they are doing. They are just hate-filled morons. I think it would be better to be "anti blind faith" than identifying yourself with reference to theism. It's like telling Americans that you are "un-American." Almost a fighting word. Most people here have some interest in faith. If you cannot talk about faith without resorting to abusive language, you probably don't belong to this forum. Do you have faith in reason? -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:41 -0400, stumper wrote: > Paul Ransom Erickson wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:05 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Paul Ransom Erickson wrote: >>>> stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote: >>>>> It's not easy to prove that something does not exist. >>>>> It would be a lot easier to show that >>>>> you can be kinder and gentler without relying on it. >>>> Who is trying to prove that something doesn't exist? Not me. >>>> >>>> I don't even think it can be done for "god", unless the definition of >>>> some partucular god is self-contradictory. >>>> >>>> I think that you have a lot of assumptions hidden behind your zennish >>>> prose. Go honk at yourself. >>>> >>>> >>> Wonderful. >>> >>> Care to help me pin down those assumptions? >> >> Ok, and do the same for me. >> >> Here is one that I think I see: >> >> It looks like you think the atheists you are talking to are all >> interested in disproving the existence of a character that other >> people believe in. You might not have picked up on it yet, but in >> alt.atheism "atheism" usually means "someone who does not have a >> belief in what are called gods". >> >> Yes, it is a vexed description because the word "god" is vexed. But >> at least it does not mean that to be an atheist is to be focused on >> the nonexistence of some such entity -- or on the attempt to prove >> that it does not exist. >> >> It is true that there are some here who do focus on just that, but >> that depends on the individual. The self-appelation "atheist" does >> not tell you enough about a person to lecture them about, eg, >> "atheism" being a Christian theology, etc. >> > > I don't think some so-called atheists here You don't get to define us. > even know what they are doing. > They are just hate-filled morons. Stop looking in the mirror when you post. > I think it would be better to be "anti blind faith" > than identifying yourself with reference to theism. > It's like telling Americans that you are "un-American." > Almost a fighting word. > > Most people here have some interest in faith. Where's here? Who appointed you spokesmoron for any of the newsgroups in the headers? > If you cannot talk about faith > without resorting to abusive language, > you probably don't belong to this forum. Oh fuck off. (Ooo, abusive language, I'm so naughty!) > Do you have faith in reason? As if you'd recognize reason if someone beat you about the head and shoulders with it. Hey, I notice your incursions in other ngs result in pretty much the same reception as you got here in a.a. So much for your "I'm their god now" crap. -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest stumper Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message > news:pan.2007.03.18.05.28.41.317639@com.mkbilbo... >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:16:14 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: >>> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is >>> going >>> to yank your number. >> Oh shut up Frank. >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 >> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion >> > Don't want us to rat on you and cause your precious atheist number to be > yanked, do you? "Shut up" indeed!!!!! > > > Most of the atheist hate messages in this forum are generated by the following four posters. Mark K. Bilbo tirebiter Michael Gray The Chief Instigator If you simply filter them out, you will see a much more peaceful place. Try it, please. -- ~Stumper Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:10:09 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: > "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message > news:pan.2007.03.18.05.28.41.317639@com.mkbilbo... >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:16:14 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: >>> >>> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is >>> going >>> to yank your number. >> >> Oh shut up Frank. >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 >> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion >> > Don't want us to rat on you and cause your precious atheist number to be > yanked, do you? "Shut up" indeed!!!!! Flake, you are such an idiot. Why on earth would Mickey delist me? Do explain that one. (I could use the laugh) -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest Mark K. Bilbo Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:00:05 -0400, stumper wrote: > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message >> news:pan.2007.03.18.05.28.41.317639@com.mkbilbo... >>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:16:14 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is >>>> going >>>> to yank your number. >>> Oh shut up Frank. >>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 >>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion >>> >> Don't want us to rat on you and cause your precious atheist number to be >> yanked, do you? "Shut up" indeed!!!!! >> >> >> > > > Most of the atheist hate messages in this forum > are generated by the following four posters. > > Mark K. Bilbo > tirebiter > Michael Gray > The Chief Instigator > > If you simply filter them out, > you will see a much more peaceful place. > Try it, please. <snork> Okay so that's the third known Net kook you've sided with. (The company you keep) -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message news:m8eqv2ldad97rn6q3d762ctovvktgver67@4ax.com... > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism >> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message >>> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message >>>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism > >>>>>> You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was >>>>>> given >>>>>> by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven. > >>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space? > >>>> Why would you ask such a dumb question for which the answer is right >>>> there in the NT Bible? See below. "outer space" indeed. that only goes >>>> to >>>> confirm that the god of atheist definition is some comic book >>>> character, >>>> a la Galacticus the devourer of worlds, or Odin of Valhalla, all of >>>> which >>>> OBVIOUSLY don't exist. > >>>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when >>>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom >>>> of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! >>>> or, lo >>>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU." > >>> The Bible says Jesus ascended up into heaven, not inside people's >>> bodies. He's supposed to be sitting at the right hand of his father >>> up in heaven, on a throne. For every verse you come up with which >>> says heaven is inside people's bodies, I can come up with one which >>> says it's up in the sky, among the stars. > >> Jesus resurrected in everyone's heart and mind, only atheists make an >> effort to ignore Him. Therefore the entire process takes place within >> you, >> and not up thar in the sky. > > I thought the Bible says he resurrected as a real person and walked > around town to show people he wasn't really dead. > What kind of God incarnate would Jesus be if He couldn't do both, resurrect physically as a "real person", as well as spiritually in every heart and mind? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Free Gift Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 >>>> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is >>>> going >>>> to yank your number. >>> >>> Oh shut up Frank. >>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 <== This number has been revoked, and is no longer in service! >>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- SPEED RETENTION COMPLETION ANONYMITY ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com Quote
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