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Guest JessHC
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Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

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> > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> >> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

> >>> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

> >>>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism

> >

> >>>>>> You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was

> >>>>>> given

> >>>>>> by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven.

> >

> >>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space?

> >

> >>>> Why would you ask such a dumb question for which the answer is right

> >>>> there in the NT Bible? See below. "outer space" indeed. that only goes

> >>>> to

> >>>> confirm that the god of atheist definition is some comic book

> >>>> character,

> >>>> a la Galacticus the devourer of worlds, or Odin of Valhalla, all of

> >>>> which

> >>>> OBVIOUSLY don't exist.

> >

> >>>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when

> >>>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom

> >>>> of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here!

> >>>> or, lo

> >>>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."

> >

> >>> The Bible says Jesus ascended up into heaven, not inside people's

> >>> bodies. He's supposed to be sitting at the right hand of his father

> >>> up in heaven, on a throne. For every verse you come up with which

> >>> says heaven is inside people's bodies, I can come up with one which

> >>> says it's up in the sky, among the stars.

> >

> >> Jesus resurrected in everyone's heart and mind, only atheists make an

> >> effort to ignore Him. Therefore the entire process takes place within

> >> you,

> >> and not up thar in the sky.

> >

> > I thought the Bible says he resurrected as a real person and walked

> > around town to show people he wasn't really dead.

> >

> What kind of God incarnate would Jesus be if He couldn't do both,

> resurrect physically as a "real person", as well as spiritually in every

> heart and mind?

 

Good question; how about "an imaginary god"?

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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

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> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism

>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism

>>>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

>

>>>>>>> Jesus is gonna kill people?

>

>>>>>> Malachi 4:1 �or, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven:

>>>>>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble,

>>>>>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts,

>>>>>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

>

>>>>> So Jesus is gonna burn up all the bad people?

>

>> Burning up like that will suit your just fine.

>

> So it's true, Jesus does burn people. Who restores their flesh so it

> can burn again? Jesus? Or is that Satan's job while Jesus watches?

>

Ask Him!!! Jesus resurrected in all our hearts and minds, it's just that

atheists make point of ignoring Him.

 

 

 

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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

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> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

>

>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi

>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there,

>>> don't you think?

>

>> God does His loving through loving and caring people.

>

> Like through priests who love little choir boys?

>

Typical atheist again, to confuse love with lust. But then to think, if

not also talk like that is atheist doctrine, isn't it?

 

 

 

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Guest Scott Richter
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> >> No matter what proof anyone presents atheists will always reject it,

> >

> > Try one - I challenge you

> >

> >> for

> >> to reject is the prime directive of their belief or disbelief system. Our

> >> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4 ,16) become fully manifested in Jesus

> >> Christ shedding His precious and innocent blood for us sinners on the

> >> cross

> >> of Calvary.

> >> Therefore we know our God and have seen Him in Jesus Christ. Only

> >> atheists would insist that such self-sacrificing love does not exist in

> >> reality. And perhaps in their "reality" it does indeed not exist.

> >>

> I just presented the proof

 

You did no such thing, you fucking idiot...

 

> Atheism makes people blind, don't it?

 

No, it don't [sic]. Just because someone has the effrontery to point out

the emptiness of your argument, that doesn't make them blind. Such

emptiness can be clearly seen.

Guest Scott Richter
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> What kind of God incarnate would Jesus be if He couldn't do both,

> resurrect physically as a "real person", as well as spiritually in every

> heart and mind?

 

I don't know... Maybe like the X-Men? I mean, Jean Grey was resurrected

as a "real person" in X-Men: The Last Stand. Does that count? What would

happen if Jean Grey and Jesus squared off after their resurrections?

Would Famke Janssen kick Jesus' ass?

 

Please enlighten us with your knowledge of all things supernatural...

Guest Pastor Frank
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:56:40 +0800, in alt.atheism

> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

> <45fcb9c5$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

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>>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:20:48 +0800, in alt.atheism

>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>>> <45fb10d5$0$16367$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>>>>

>>>>> We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true.

>>>>> We have no idea what Jesus actually said.

>>>>> We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not.

>>>>> We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written

>>>>> correctly.

>>>>

>>>> Is that what you are going to use to justify your disbelief? I.e. "I

>>>> had

>>>>no idea" that almighty God exists, and actually is going to judge us

>>>>all.

>>>

>>> I don't have to justify my 'disbelief'. The mere fact that you cannot

>>> justify your beliefs is sufficient for me not to accept your claims

>>> about gods or religion.

>>

>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) as demonstrated by Jesus

>>Christ on the cross of Calvary. So our God is fairly easy to "justify",

>>unless you have no idea what love is beyond some funny feelings in your

>>crotch.

>

> You've demonstrated a complete unwillingness to listen and an unfettered

> willingness to lie and misrepresent what is going on, but let me try

> once more to help you understand why you are lying about everything

> here, including Christianity.

>

> Love is a supposed attribute of the particular God you worship. There is

> no evidence at all that any gods exist or that any of the asserted

> attributes are true. There is no evidence that the stories of the

> Gospels are true. Christians accept all of this by faith, not because

> they have evidence. Those who claim to have evidence are repeating

> falsehoods. Some, like you, already know that the claim that there is

> evidence is false. When you claim that there is evidence, but know there

> is none, you are lying.

>

Without all those faults you would immediately become a devout and

enthusiastic Christian? Tell us more!!!

 

 

 

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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

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> On 18 Mar 2007 08:56:07 -0700, in alt.atheism

> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

> <1174233367.533631.313160@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

>>On Mar 18, 8:29?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

>>> Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>

>>> > >> We have nothing to talk about. use words with their actual

>>> > >> meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists.

>>>

>>> > > The word "fetus" is a precise, specific term--unlike the many

>>> > > nonsense

>>> > > religious terms created solely to inflame emotions over the abortion

>>> > > issue.

>>>

>>> > >> The fact that atheists can say that unborn children are not human

>>> > >> beings

>>> > >> means nothing to me.

>>>

>>> > > Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those

>>> > > nonsense terms) are not human beings.

>>>

>>> > "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were

>>> > in

>>> > the USA?

>>>

>>> No, "not human beings" like not having a birth date...- Hide quoted

>>> text -

>>>

>>The term "human being" has nothing to do with time. All it means is

>>that the individual is human and exists. With regard to the term

>>child, I use it the same way it was used in the Bible. Luke 2:5 To

>>be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child.

>>As you can see from this verse of the Bible, Jesus Christ was a child

>>while he was still in his mother's womb.

>

> The law has never treated fetuses as if they were children. Get over it.

>

Now that's a lie!!! Until abortion was declared legal, ALL humans were

protected by law, and a human "foetus" is undeniably human. You are just

conveniently discriminating against the most vulnerable of our society.

 

 

 

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Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

> news:2hfqv2tpe6gkm78mgguopvi8vv37onfmqk@4ax.com...

> > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> >> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

> >

> >>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi

> >>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there,

> >>> don't you think?

> >

> >> God does His loving through loving and caring people.

> >

> > Like through priests who love little choir boys?

> >

> Typical atheist again, to confuse love with lust. But then to think, if

> not also talk like that is atheist doctrine, isn't it?

 

Why, no, in fact it isn't. You're lying again. Is lying an

expression of love?

Guest Scott Richter
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rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

 

"You people"?

 

We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

thankful for that, sah!

Guest Elroy Willis
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

>> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

>>> Jesus resurrected in everyone's heart and mind, only atheists make an

>>> effort to ignore Him. Therefore the entire process takes place within

>>> you, and not up thar in the sky.

>> I thought the Bible says he resurrected as a real person and walked

>> around town to show people he wasn't really dead.

> What kind of God incarnate would Jesus be if He couldn't do both,

> resurrect physically as a "real person", as well as spiritually in every

> heart and mind?

 

I guess you can just make up whatever you want, since the sky's the

limit, eh?

 

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Guest Free Lunch
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:03:43 +0800, in alt.atheism

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

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>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>news:08vqv2pcs0gpcoqd6ercnmndo9oa2jdkie@4ax.com...

>> On 18 Mar 2007 08:56:07 -0700, in alt.atheism

>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in

>> <1174233367.533631.313160@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

>>>On Mar 18, 8:29?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

>>>> Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>>

>>>> > >> We have nothing to talk about. use words with their actual

>>>> > >> meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists.

>>>>

>>>> > > The word "fetus" is a precise, specific term--unlike the many

>>>> > > nonsense

>>>> > > religious terms created solely to inflame emotions over the abortion

>>>> > > issue.

>>>>

>>>> > >> The fact that atheists can say that unborn children are not human

>>>> > >> beings

>>>> > >> means nothing to me.

>>>>

>>>> > > Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those

>>>> > > nonsense terms) are not human beings.

>>>>

>>>> > "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were

>>>> > in

>>>> > the USA?

>>>>

>>>> No, "not human beings" like not having a birth date...- Hide quoted

>>>> text -

>>>>

>>>The term "human being" has nothing to do with time. All it means is

>>>that the individual is human and exists. With regard to the term

>>>child, I use it the same way it was used in the Bible. Luke 2:5 To

>>>be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child.

>>>As you can see from this verse of the Bible, Jesus Christ was a child

>>>while he was still in his mother's womb.

>>

>> The law has never treated fetuses as if they were children. Get over it.

>>

> Now that's a lie!!! Until abortion was declared legal, ALL humans were

>protected by law, and a human "foetus" is undeniably human. You are just

>conveniently discriminating against the most vulnerable of our society.

 

Show me a law that treated a foetus as a child.

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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:44:29 +0800, in alt.atheism

> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

> <45fcb9bf$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

>>> Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those

>>> nonsense terms) are not human beings.

>>>

>> "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were

>> in

>>the USA?

>

> Not really.

> By the way, I have no use for abortion, but the folks who call

> themselves 'pro-life' have proven themselves to be some of the most

> vile, corrupt people in American politics today. They are offensive

> beyond words.

>

Any evidence for your vilifications and accusations? Oh, I forgot,

....proof and evidence is only required from Christians, all others can just

voice their personal and private opinions as if they were facts, and expect

to be taken seriously. But then, that is atheists dogma, isn't it?

 

 

 

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Guest Free Lunch
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:00 +0800, in alt.atheism

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

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>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>news:qloqv2pt3140flgriksofk45h87tj1jsge@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:44:29 +0800, in alt.atheism

>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>> <45fcb9bf$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>>"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>news:1hv3ycb.lnc03k1xa85e6N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...

>>

>>>> Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those

>>>> nonsense terms) are not human beings.

>>>>

>>> "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were

>>> in

>>>the USA?

>>

>> Not really.

>> By the way, I have no use for abortion, but the folks who call

>> themselves 'pro-life' have proven themselves to be some of the most

>> vile, corrupt people in American politics today. They are offensive

>> beyond words.

>>

> Any evidence for your vilifications and accusations? Oh, I forgot,

>...proof and evidence is only required from Christians, all others can just

>voice their personal and private opinions as if they were facts, and expect

>to be taken seriously. But then, that is atheists dogma, isn't it?

 

Since you have your mind made up, I won't bother to direct you to the

evidence. You have made it quite clear that I would be offering pearls

before swine.

Guest Michael Gray
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:33:12 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

wrote:

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>On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:00 +0800, in alt.atheism

>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

><4601dc99$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>>news:qloqv2pt3140flgriksofk45h87tj1jsge@4ax.com...

>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:44:29 +0800, in alt.atheism

>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in

>>> <45fcb9bf$0$16292$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>>>>"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:1hv3ycb.lnc03k1xa85e6N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...

>>>

>>>>> Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those

>>>>> nonsense terms) are not human beings.

>>>>>

>>>> "not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were

>>>> in

>>>>the USA?

>>>

>>> Not really.

>>> By the way, I have no use for abortion, but the folks who call

>>> themselves 'pro-life' have proven themselves to be some of the most

>>> vile, corrupt people in American politics today. They are offensive

>>> beyond words.

>>>

>> Any evidence for your vilifications and accusations? Oh, I forgot,

>>...proof and evidence is only required from Christians, all others can just

>>voice their personal and private opinions as if they were facts, and expect

>>to be taken seriously. But then, that is atheists dogma, isn't it?

>

>Since you have your mind made up, I won't bother to direct you to the

>evidence. You have made it quite clear that I would be offering pearls

>before swine.

 

What is your evidence that Pastit Wank has such a thing as a "mind" to

"make up"?

I have seen not a skerrick of any such thing in the last decade or so.

 

Perhaps you could point me to it, say: the header of the single post

in which he may have displayed some rudimentary intelligence?

 

I'm thinking that you will be incapable of doing so.

You atheists are as bad as the theists in your wild implicated

assertions!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On Mar 21, 8:32?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

>

> "You people"?

>

> We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

> us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

> Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

> thankful for that, sah!

 

You seem to like making fun of minorities.

Robert B. Winn

Guest Pastor Frank
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> On Feb 13, 12:13 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>>

>> Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged

>> ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees

>> with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your

>> personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you

>> do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no

>> one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.

>

> No one will go to Hell for being self-righteous, but atheists who are

> completely certain in their BELIEF of the lack of any Gods are just as

> self-righteous and smug as any Fundamentalist Christian out there --

> and for the record, I don't think either side is right. I am

> absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell and

> religion in general, but I am equally opposed to Atheists who are so

> certain in THEIR beliefs that they can't stand the thought that there

> might be something out there more impressive then humans. Granted,

> the Atheist isn't going to try and condemn me to eternal suffering

> because I disagree with them, but some of them still tend to be self-

> righteous jerks, or "smug gits," if you prefer.

> Sorry for the harsh tone, but come on, someone else's belief in Hell

> isn't hurting you, so take the high ground and be polite about

> things. You can't possibly know the One Certain Truth any more then

> your average Christian does, and except for a small minority of evil,

> angry religious people who try to justify their evil actions by

> twisting religion to their purposes, the vast majority of people who

> hold some sort of religious belief are not hurting ANYONE. No matter

> how much they believe in Hell, they aren't going to make it true.

> FYI, I like to believe that there is some sort of God or group of Gods

> out there, but I don't for a moment pretend to know for sure, and

> since no one could possibly know the Truth for sure, I'm willing to

> live and let live, unless someone is acting like an ass because of

> their belief or lack thereof, at which point I'll....um....give them a

> (hopefully!) polite lecture, apparently ;).

> -Andi :)

>

The hell, as well as God and His heaven etc. of your definition are sure

NOT to exist. The challenge for you as well as for atheists is to find that

one definition of those words which make sense.

An atheist is one who gave up thinking about meanings and testing them,

in favour of chanting mantras which require no evidence, nor logic, thought

and reason.

 

 

 

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Guest Scott Richter
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rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

> >

> > "You people"?

> >

> > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

> > us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

> > Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

> > thankful for that, sah!

>

> You seem to like making fun of minorities.

 

As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

I AM a minority...

Guest rbwinn
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On Mar 22, 7:22?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

>

> > > "You people"?

>

> > > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

> > > us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

> > > Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

> > > thankful for that, sah!

>

> > You seem to like making fun of minorities.

>

> As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

> I AM a minority...

 

Well, I don't really think so.

Robert B. Winn

Guest Pastor Frank
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message

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> On Mar 20, 6:31 am, andi1...@gmail.com wrote:

>>

>> I am

>> absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell

>

There is no "fundamentalist view of heaven and hell". There is a

literalist view however, and I guess you are objecting to that one, without

bothering to explain which view you find acceptable. But then atheism is

only about what one rejects, disbeliefs and opposes etc. and not ever about

anyone or anything one supports, advocates and promotes.

 

 

 

 

 

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Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message

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> > On Mar 20, 6:31 am, andi1...@gmail.com wrote:

> >>

> >> I am

> >> absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell

> >

> There is no "fundamentalist view of heaven and hell". There is a

> literalist view however, and I guess you are objecting to that one, without

> bothering to explain which view you find acceptable. But then atheism is

> only about what one rejects, disbeliefs and opposes etc. and not ever about

> anyone or anything one supports, advocates and promotes.

 

Atheism is about lack of theism, Frank; you KNOW that. Why are you

lying?

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Pastor Frank wrote:

> <andi1235@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1174332707.125185.93970@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

> > On Feb 13, 12:13 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> >>

> >> Because we aren't smug gits like you. We haven't already judged

> >> ourselves and decided that we passed and that everyone who disagrees

> >> with us will go to hell. Of course, I think you made it all up with your

> >> personal interpretation of the Bible, so I don't really care what you

> >> do. However much I might be satisfied with the result, I know that no

> >> one is going to send you to hell for being self-righteous.

> >

> > No one will go to Hell for being self-righteous, but atheists who are

> > completely certain in their BELIEF of the lack of any Gods are just as

> > self-righteous and smug as any Fundamentalist Christian out there --

> > and for the record, I don't think either side is right. I am

> > absolutely opposed to the Fundamentalist view of Heaven and Hell and

> > religion in general, but I am equally opposed to Atheists who are so

> > certain in THEIR beliefs that they can't stand the thought that there

> > might be something out there more impressive then humans. Granted,

> > the Atheist isn't going to try and condemn me to eternal suffering

> > because I disagree with them, but some of them still tend to be self-

> > righteous jerks, or "smug gits," if you prefer.

> > Sorry for the harsh tone, but come on, someone else's belief in Hell

> > isn't hurting you, so take the high ground and be polite about

> > things. You can't possibly know the One Certain Truth any more then

> > your average Christian does, and except for a small minority of evil,

> > angry religious people who try to justify their evil actions by

> > twisting religion to their purposes, the vast majority of people who

> > hold some sort of religious belief are not hurting ANYONE. No matter

> > how much they believe in Hell, they aren't going to make it true.

> > FYI, I like to believe that there is some sort of God or group of Gods

> > out there, but I don't for a moment pretend to know for sure, and

> > since no one could possibly know the Truth for sure, I'm willing to

> > live and let live, unless someone is acting like an ass because of

> > their belief or lack thereof, at which point I'll....um....give them a

> > (hopefully!) polite lecture, apparently ;).

> > -Andi :)

> >

> The hell, as well as God and His heaven etc. of your definition are sure

> NOT to exist. The challenge for you as well as for atheists is to find that

> one definition of those words which make sense.

 

Uh, no, Frank. The "challenge" is to get theists to agree on one

definition. It isn't the job of atheists to define the beliefs of

theists. Why would it be?

> An atheist is one who gave up thinking about meanings and testing them,

> in favour of chanting mantras which require no evidence, nor logic, thought

> and reason.

 

Really. Your proposed logical, evidentiary test for deities is what?

Guest JessHC
Posted

rbwinn wrote:

> On Mar 22, 7:22?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

> >

> > > > "You people"?

> >

> > > > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

> > > > us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

> > > > Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

> > > > thankful for that, sah!

> >

> > > You seem to like making fun of minorities.

> >

> > As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

> > I AM a minority...

>

> Well, I don't really think so.

 

You don't think atheists are a minority? What do you think the

percentage of atheists is in the population?

Guest rbwinn
Posted

On Mar 23, 7:35�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:

> rbwinn wrote:

> > On Mar 22, 7:22?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

> > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

>

> > > > > "You people"?

>

> > > > > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be tellin'

> > > > > us that we don't know which way is straight, so that must be da truth!

> > > > > Without your helps, I don't know what we all would do! We be mighty

> > > > > thankful for that, sah!

>

> > > > You seem to like making fun of minorities.

>

> > > As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

> > > I AM a minority...

>

> > Well, I don't really think so.

>

> You don't think atheists are a minority?

Guest Scott Richter
Posted

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

> >

> > > > > > "You people"?

> >

> > > > > > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be

> > > > > > tellin' us that we don't know which way is straight, so that

> > > > > > must be da truth! Without your helps, I don't know what we all

> > > > > > would do! We be mighty thankful for that, sah!

> >

> > > > > You seem to like making fun of minorities.

> >

> > > > As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

> > > > I AM a minority...

> >

> > > Well, I don't really think so.

> >

> > You don't think atheists are a minority? ?What do you think the

> > percentage of atheists is in the population?- Hide quoted text -

> >

>

> Well, what would it matter since atheists control the judicial system

> of the United States, which they have made the strongest branch of

> government?

 

I'm guessing you're a Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly/Ann Coulter kind of

guy... Am I right?

 

 

> They are a minority the same way slave owners were a minority in the

> South prior to the Civil War.

 

Ah, so YOU'RE the one who should be calling ME "massah"?

 

Thanks for clearing that up, Sambo!

Guest rbwinn
Posted

On Mar 23, 1:09?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good thing there is a God to set you people straight then.

>

> > > > > > > "You people"?

>

> > > > > > > We po' atheists surely do appreciate your wisdom, massah! You be

> > > > > > > tellin' us that we don't know which way is straight, so that

> > > > > > > must be da truth! Without your helps, I don't know what we all

> > > > > > > would do! We be mighty thankful for that, sah!

>

> > > > > > You seem to like making fun of minorities.

>

> > > > > As an atheist in America (or as you so eloquently put it, "you people")

> > > > > I AM a minority...

>

> > > > Well, I don't really think so.

>

> > > You don't think atheists are a minority? ?What do you think the

> > > percentage of atheists is in the population?- Hide quoted text -

>

> > Well, what would it matter since atheists control the judicial system

> > of the United States, which they have made the strongest branch of

> > government?

>

> I'm guessing you're a Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly/Ann Coulter kind of

> guy... Am I right?

>

> > They are a minority the same way slave owners were a minority in the

> > South prior to the Civil War.

>

> Ah, so YOU'RE the one who should be calling ME "massah"?

>

> Thanks for clearing that up, Sambo!- Hide quoted text -

>

I don't call you anything. The people you compare me to are all Party

members. I have never been anything except an independent voter.

Robert B. Winn

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